Several years ago, Hip Hop poet laureate KRS-One boasted how he had several diss tracks locked and loaded for every rapper who even eclipsed the spotlight. That’s not to say he had friction with any of his younger contemporaries. He was just prepared to hold his own, should anything pop off and force him to protect his legacy when time could be less forgiving and more forgetful.
The preemptive tactic likely proved to be useful when he faced off against an unlikely foe in … Nelly. Logic would tempt rap fans into believing a disagreement would spawn between the T’cha and an artist who operated in his lane like a Talib Kweli or Pharoahe Monch opposed to a pop presence like the Country Grammar creator, but a spat over the title of #1 brought them to lyrical blows. Now that same logic would also tempt one to bet the house on KRS to verbally mutilate Nelly to the point he retreated in a dim lit room and cried in the reflection of his diamond plaques, never to sully the precious “Real Hip Hop” culture again. Thus, making way for more true school records to get nonstop airplay on commercial radio, win Grammys and other related marshmallow follies fit for a J.K. Rowling novel.
And it’s not like KRS didn’t unleash the same voltage of dynamite he used to blow up the 59th Street Bridge. He flung acid with not one but two diss songs in “You Don’t Want It” and “Ova Here,” but even a legend isn’t immune from overshooting a target staring right in their face. Nelly, who honestly had no intention of dissing the rap icon, kept the ball in his court and quite frankly, hit him in the face with a no-look pass. Alongside State Property’s Beanie Sigel and Freeway, Nelly fired back on the “Roc the Mic (Remix)” with the fury, “Like K – ‘Know’ one here even said your name/R – You really feelin’ guilty bout something, mane/S – Sad to see you really just want just/One – more hit…” Do you think the people cared that Nelly was flinging disrespectful spittle at a Hip Hop titan? They were too busy doing the Dame Dash dance and poppin’ bottles of Armadale vodka to even give it a thought.
So forgive me for not being overly impressed when I turned on Remy Ma’s “SHETHER” over the weekend like more than two million people on Soundcloud and saw her chiseling at her brick wall competition, Nicki Minaj. Was the record entertaining? Sure. Did Remy bring the bars? Of course, even if the delivery was a bit dry and the lyrics were peppered with technical fouls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1AfWEovij8
But there’s no victory in hopping on Nas’ 2001 Jay Z haymaker “Ether” and attempting to make it your own, especially when you’re the undisputed top challenger against the heavyweight champion. You need that distinction. The entire thought of that song is layered in so much historical context, the instrumental should arguably be copywritten in the same digital armor Paul, John, George and Ringo encase their legacy in. You can’t flip that screwed-up Tupac sample for a “Fuck Nicki Minaj!” (It wasn’t even on beat!) That song single-handedly disintegrated any animosity fans may have had from Nastradamus and gave them undying faith in Nas once again, put Jay Z on the defensive — a realm he was just as familiar with as the unemployment line, helped propel Stillmatic to classic status and gave the Hip Hop community new slang that obviously hasn’t reached an expiration date. For fuck’s sake, even the producer, Ron Browz, would go on to enjoy a semi-successful career several years later, adopting the name “Ether Boy,” while cutting into T-Pain’s earnings with his Auto-Tuned club hits.
And the song is 15 years old. How are we supposed to push Hip Hop forward if we use our past highlights as a crutch instead of a measuring point? “SHETHER” is and will likely go down as an insurmountable miss.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ePQKD9iBfU
Bomb Second: The shit that make your soul burn slow.
See, I’m well aware that there’s a certain sect of the population who want to see Hip Hop crossover acts snuffed out by all means necessary. So releasing a seven-minute eye gouge over a very familiar beat easily satiates their appetite for blood. I even saw a handful of reactions across the net that declared Nicki’s career was over. While that opinion shouldn’t be up for debate, the key line in “SHETHER” when Remy went for the career ender really jumped out on me, but what was being said between the lines is what barked the loudest.
“And I got a few words for the moms of the young Barbz/Guess who supports a child molester?/Nicki Minaj/You paid for your brother’s wedding? That’s hella foul/How you spending money to support a pedophile?”
Whether you feel like this topical turn was a low blow is an entirely different conversation, but all I want to know is how are the mothers who buy their little princesses Nicki Minaj Everything ever going to get wind of this track? Is it going to shake up her LiveNation or TV deals or future fragrance launches? It’s a freestyle on an old Nas beat. Even with the two million plus Soundcloud plays, has anyone spotted the embed on any of these vampiric sites that only prey on Hip Hop content when it’s convenient for traffic?
A #DXBreakdown released last August clearly stated how opponents have to play on the bigger artist’s home turf if they want to have a chance at winning. In this instance: Drake. Did he have more street cred or battle seasoning than Meek Mill? C’mon now. But he took the people to the club and his “Back to Back” diss song to the charts and that’s what we still remember.
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I’m also well aware that there’s a certain sect of the population who feel Remy is just getting warmed up and has more BX bombs to Baghdad. “SHETHER” has a lot of moving parts and I’m not sure what other route we could go that stings just as much as Minaj’s brother’s seemingly doomed fate, accusations of sleeping with stars (accusations that have begun to unravel just as fast as they were stated) and horrors of exploding ass shots? And should there be more follow-ups, we’re running the risk of overkill and exposing intentions of capitalizing off a bigger opponent’s fame. And we all know how that worked out for Joe Budden last year.
Papoose should have been a better advisor. Since this beef was decided on, we should have gone into Oscar weekend with an original record that would have everyone enjoying a bop or two at Nicki’s expense. The late, Honorable Omar Little once said, “Come at the King, you best not miss.” While the Queen has shown she isn’t beyond being rattled (Twitter fingering Trey Songz instead of preparing a proper response was definitely a miscue), nothing about “SHETHER” feels like it will stand the test of time to be crowned historic.
After all, it’s just a freestyle over an old Nas beat.
The diss track is straight flames. It’ll just never be a top 5 or 10 just because it ain’t original. She stole Nas’ flow and beat.
Fuck this over analyzing editorial bullshit, this is straight fire. This article exposed hiphopdx credibility. The diss is raw and it got straight to the point
Remy Ma should retire . 7k is a lost . Walmart is hiring . Man voice Remy Ma give it up .
LMFAO!
They trash for this article
This has to be the be dumbest article ever written from this website. Nicki had to have paid y’all to write this, or y’all are just in denial that Nicki got that ass slaughtered. Lol hiphopdx just took another L for nicki
FYI…….Dnt kno her, so she sure is hell not paying me. She dnt have to. It was a good diss, that’s it! But this shit wasn’t original. Too old! The listeners are diff 2day. Keep up Or stay broke Bitches! Lol.
and Trent Clark lost for writing this bullshit.
this was a waste of time
Ether fits Nas’ flow. I think a more uptempo or speed up beat would have been better for remy. I wouldnt go as far to say she lost…especially before Nicki even responds.
HONESTY TRENT, YOU LOST WHEN YOU TYPED THIS BIASED EDITORIAL.
Trent, ARE YOU DUMB? *Remy Voice*
This site gets worse and worse. Hip hop is street shit. In the streets we don’t care about analytics .. Just raw real shit. Trent eat a gun & the bullets. U defiantly a geek…just give Rem her props
This dude really just said this dum shit and damaged his credibility in hip hop by writing this shit…. lol bro she killed her stop tryna give nicki a oxygen tank when she a mile down in the pacific…. this is a joke cut it out she got bodied and unless she unleash some bars she she gon stay bodied…. stop it
Horrible piece…..
DX tripping on this one. Remy was off beat and her decision to piggy back off ether are my only issues with the diss. Other than this though she brought heat. I’m tired of hearing muthafuckas hide behind record sales. Fuck your numbers. You wanna call yourself the king of rap or queen of rap that’s fine, but you gotta be able to spit some fucking heat and you gotta be able to defend the title. Drake bodied meek, but why he ain’t body Jay or Kendrick lol. I respect the hustle but these boys nowadays got it twisted.
FUCK DX SHE WENT IN ON THIS SHIT REMY HELD IT DOWN .YALL HATING .MEEK MILL WENT IN ON THE OUUUUU BEAT .THE GAME MURDER THE BEAT ..SO WHAT ARE U TALKING ABOUT
How is the “queen of rap” going to let days pass with no apperopriate recourse? She has many words for Zanotti, lets see some damn BARS for Remy. The longer she waits, the worse she looks #NickiMUTEnaj
That’s her decision. I’m sure she’s not worried abt any of us tho. Bcuz she gettin rich bitch. Nix mind still on the fkn train while she pushin BENTLEYS
This article belongs in the national enquirer, along with UFOs and Bigfoot
the beat is 15 years old? and we need to push hip hop forward? hahahahaha what a joke. hiphopdx gets an L for that one.
there is no such thing as old in hip hop. hip hop is timeless. you fuck boys are whats wrong with hip hop
Tru, we do need to push Hip Hop forward. But that won’t happen, by not accepting the Fukin truth abt a rap diss that wasn’t poppin. That will always be NAS shit. Keep it original nix
When you don’t know your history you make dumb articles like this. Some of the best disses in hip hop history have recycled beats. No Vaseline, Takeover, and Hit Em Up beats weren’t anything new but the lyrics were scathing. The reactions by the hip hop community let’s you know how hard that diss was. Because if Remy would have came like Meek Mill then we wouldn’t have all these blogs talking about it. Next!
Was choosing either’s instrumental unoriginal? of course, but nonetheless it was a cold DISS… My only issue was that her delivery was boring but I can’t take nothing away from the diss itself.
Nicki negotiating with her ghostwriters.in fact she reaching out to Drake’s for the hook.give her about a week for the clap back lol. #exposefakerappers
I don’t post many comments, but after I read this ridiculous column I couldn’t resist. Nas in my opinion is the G.O.A.T, and in my opinion shETHER was better than Ether. You must either be trying to push-up like the Game on Nicki or you’re her brother and this is payback for those lawyers fees, or maybe you need to go Genius to get a better interpretation of this lyrical trashing.You’re one of those pussy-riding writers that always chose the most popular artist when it comes to judging battles.
I agree with everything except the point about shEther being better than ether????!!!!
I see many of u Mfkrs dnt comprehend well. Truth is fukn Truth. Deal wit it Bitches. And ShEther better than Ether?! Man stop smoking that shit. ROTFLMAO!
Haters and we know in order to have click bait they needed to do this bullshit article. Remy diss could b a top 10 diss of all time period. Bridge is over no vaseline takerover ether to name a few
Dear Whoever Editorial Writer,
YOU BUGGIN! First, Nicki casually spit elementary subliminal first. Remy got back triple hard on her, lyrically and stylistically. Remy Flow is Remys and it ain’t garbage, she has had the same flow for years. I get you write that she should’ve came all the way original, but as a hip hop fan this shit was needed, it’s dope, it’s legit and Nicki has to respond, hip hop is living through Remy right now and you hating, smh.
The writer not hatin. Givin it to U real. Hip Hop can keep living thru her, it will surely die there along with her career. Try 2n smart ppl. Open ur damn minds please. The author is ONLY giving constructive criticism.
Shether is not a miscue what’s is hiphopdx downplaying a really good diss that is part of HISTORY…..Remy Ma has Bars she used them Nicki has nursery Rhymes she blew it
I don’t usually agree with hiphopdx but this time I do. It was mistake to use ether as your basis of a diss. Ur recycling an old beat. It was a good diss though and well done but it can’t reach that epic level when ur using a beat like ether. I think Nicki will turn tables on her and skewer her.
Agreed Nm! That she will do. And will be smart enough to make money off the deal. Lol.
Click bait, Click bait, Click bait… and I f’in fell for it L for me… Everybody knows this was fire
Remy won this battle damn what ever beat she used this is just a rap battle Nicki is in way over her head she is not built for this stick to sex tease and devil puppet mess u do hip hop dx is reading way to much into this battle bottom line its not going no where Remy the Queen of hip hop hands down F’the rest
I couldn’t have said it better myself. People just don’t get it yet.
Could she have used a different beat? Most def…BUT. Those bars cut real deep but the battle ain’t over. Nicki gotta bring that heat. She might take the back to back method and create a hugeneral club hit diss track. Either way, this is great for the culture.
HiphopDX censors and deletes comments when you call them out on their bullshit, don’t you Trent Clark
I don’t care about any of the points made here.
I’m just hyped up that she’s dissing her in a song rather than social media, old beat or not.
Now, you see ppl….”That is a part of strategy” LMAO!
Recycling and sampleing is hip hop. Even hit em up was based on recycling, from the over used baseline used on dozens of hiphop songs to the make money chants that Pac flipped to take money, all of it were recycled. Hhdx, not remey ma are the ones in need if better advisors.
This is true. But not when the remake isn’t better than the Original. It does No justice. It defeats the Fukin purpose. And no one is paying me, either. Some ppl do think 4 themselves these days. Lol!!
How much Nicki paying yall to type this bullshit. Barbie doll got roasted FOH Clark
You Wack for this….
She shouldn’t have used the “Ether” beat? C’mon man! People use other people’s beats all the time. What about when Joe Budden and Jay Z went at each other on the same beat? It’s all apart of the game. I feel that it was a wise choice using that beat. It catches a true Hip Hopper’s attention off top.
Lol! Only the Region rmbrd that BS! Not the country. So foolish. Smdh.
Trent, what the fuck are you talking about?
He’s talkin abt Remy poor ass strategy. It wasn’t Authentic, period!
Strategy for what? You seem to think popularity & making money is the sole end game. Wrong. She’s a hip hop emcee. Remy Ma’s strategy was to destroy that hooker lyrically just for hip hop’s sake. Mission accomplished. I don’t care how many wack records Minaj sells, no true hip hop head does. Remy will never be a commercial success but she will always be a hip hop legend for this. The culture respects what it respects.
Trent Clark is a complete dummy. Doesn’t matter the beat, Remy Ma merced Nicki Minaj. DOA.
So Tupac’s hit em up was a missed moment huh? DX will always come out of left field with the biased bullshit. Trent Clark “You played yourself”
Actually, he ddn play himself. Many of you are too caught up in the old way of thinking (the way it used to be). Well times change! And until the way many of your thinking does also, U will 4eva be stuck in the past. Unknown & Broke!!!!
This author took a L
This author crazy….. Rem caught a bodybag for this one.
And she still will never have the same amount of money or exposure taking the route. “Being Authentic!” is always winning.
Brilliant! This article is clearly attempting to stir up controversy about this track by kindling the fire. ???
Come on yall are we surprised a whack review coming from DX nowadays . Remy kills it not commerical enough for them. We also know they dick ride drake and well Nicki is associated with Drake . So sad what it’s become
please stop… who the fuck bumps remy ma? no one. she followed a formula of a whole song. how is that hot or killin it? you’ll kill someone for potentially having a ghostwriter but doing copy cat bars on an old beat is killin it? no. whoever wrote this article is right, no one is gonna be talking about remy in a week or 2. ya the song is hot, but its only hot because of nas almost 20 years ago.
? So Fukin Tru. Idiots talk abt gettin money, and dnt evn kno the Damn strategy. Mfkr will stay broke too. Keep think that way?
I see a lot of y’all too gassed on the emotion of Remy to understand what he just said. I said this same thing as soon as I heard it. She had a chance to make her OWN moment. She missed it. Nobody’s going to remember this shit in 3 months. If you play that instrumental in 6 months and ask what song it is people will say Nas “Ether.” Do y’all even remember Lil Kim went at Nicki with a dis if not as hard as this then damn close a couple years ago? No you don’t. Because she used M.O.P..’s Ante Up beat.
For those of y’all who don’t get it, you will when Nicki pulls a Drake and does what he did on “Back to Back” and drops a Remy dis that will be played on radio and in the club as much as “Bad and Boujee” is now and will chart on Billboard and get nominated for awards. You’ll understand then.
They won’t understand. So please stop trying to explain. Their not thinking outside of the box, with an open mind. All he’s saying is, “No one will Rmbr it!” Bcuz she ddn make it her own 4 Ppl to Rmbr. GTFOH with that hood thinking shit. Mainstream for more exposure, fkn Idiots?
And correction to my own thought, it wasn’t M.O.P. Ante Up, it was the Pharoah Monche “Get Up” beat.
The only reason she’s on the “charts” and billboard is because her Record Company pays for all that. The pay for radio spins, TV spots, commercials, concerts etc. Its all artificial Hype. They created these artists. Remy Ma created a storm in the STREETS, in Hip Hop. HIP Hop is NOT Billboard and Grammys, which shows me that you dont know shit about Hip Hop. You worship Money and Fame.
That diss was not meant to hit the charts, it did what it was meant to do old beat or not nicki is losing this if she dont reply and why not analyze her anyway? She taking 2 long to reply if she will. In the meantime take this L Trent coz u lost the meaning of what battle rap is.
Agreed.
This article is straight bullshit….You hop on whatever beat you have and rip your opponent apart. Remy lyrically ate Nicki alive and spit her out. The Ether beat was actually perfect for this destruction of Nicki. The better title for this article is in my Drake voice…It has been several days Nicki where y’all at?
Ok Trent Clark and DX serious question. Why in the fuck do you even have a comment section if you’re going to delete responses from your readers who can articulate a better point than you can. It’s obvious this “Editorial” is BS for some Google hits, and it’s childish you censor the comment section because the staff is too soft to handle the truth I’m hitting you with. Do I really get under you skin that bad? Can you not sleep at night? Let me know when you man up and stop letting the comment section ruin your day Trent Clark, and stop posting garbage you imbecile
Who wrote this mess? This is some weak behind writing. How much is Birdman paying you?
I’m gonna be frank, Trent Clark, you’re a fucking herb.
Shut the fuck up Trent Clark! Thats why the name of the song is “shETHER”. Its supposed to be a play off the popular diss, “Ether”. SMH… Go back to listening to your Barry Manilow and Kenny G records you fuckin’ culture vulture!!
Trent hangs with white folks… U can tell by how he looks and acts… He’s a moonlight kinda guy… The new negro… Sellout in an inclusive manner…
Lol this article is trash! Remy Ma killed Nicki’s career. This is the best diss track since Nas dropped Ether back in December of 2001. For real though how much is Cash Money paying you to write this hot garbage?
You have to have a catalog of work to go after another mc. Name one Remy MA song? Gonna be a long ass wait…Jay took Nas spot, Remy doesn’t even have a spot..Her career is not even worthy to use that beat. Kill some tracks and a album then we can talk. Terror squad you only think Big Pun. #facts
Preach! Preach! All these new listeners dnt evn kno who she is. #SupaFacts
Everybody in Hip Hop knows Nicki is average rapper with an average flow. Majority of today’s artist are in the spotlight and “selling” because the Record Label pays for all that. They “push” and “promote” these artists through all types of media. SHEther is organic because the streets are making noise and producing all the hype. Its not artificial is Organic
Most of these comments are Biased. This is why the region is no longer running the rap game. Too stuck in the Fukin past. Catch the FUK up snails. It’s called being versatile, not selling out either. Battle Rap in front of the Fukin Bodegas. GTFOH with that broke shit?
It was good. She def had some bars and dropped some lines but but it wasn’t super clever it wasn’t the best shit ever. She told a story there was shock value but the delivery…was just alright. I’m 50/50 on the article I think classic beats could work in diss tracks but a banger would have hit deeper snd made a bigger point
At least sum 1 else understand what the Author was trying to say here. Smdh.
That track is no “Ether”, it’s more like “Supa Ugly”…
With that said, it’s a different game now. The opinions of purists with historic perspectives of hip hop usually fall on deaf ears because this is probably the first time many have seen anything like this as it happens (or they’re just hype men that gotta make everything seem like the biggest deal ever).
Even if this battle becomes a huge deal, the tracks from round 2 or 3 will leave this one in the dust.
So Tru! Well Said. They’re stuck in the past. This a New Era, keep the FUK up. Lol.
this article author is probably obsessed with Nicki’s plastic ass or cash money has paid him to write this crap.
In hip hop, you can use any beat to pass your message across and the most suitable beat that can entice listeners is SHETHER son.
we don’t give a fuck about the beat used so far the diss track can do brutal damages like SHETHER such disastrous originality is welcomed & celebrated.
Nicki is finished. Even A thousand ghostwriters & Trent clark articles can’t save the barbie
I support yuu
Tha writer is biased because it seems she is a Nicki Minaj fan. Remy Makaveli went too hard against Nicki,how to expect HipHop diss track to be like ? Tha whole project is on point and I need this kinda competition not mumble diss track.
Whoever wrote this article need to go get a refund from that dumb ass school that taught u about hiphop.U waaay off..I revoke ur hiphop pass.
the hiphop dx writer who couldnt make it as a rapper is telling people how to make a good rap song?
go make one then if u know so much about how to do it right.
Word is bond fire That Trent Clark nigga.He a damn Fluke.Hiphop is NOT what U should be doing.Go take up archery or crocheting u Fucking Dum ass.Im offended by this hypocrisy!
Does it mean it means that Royce Da 5’9″ lost to Budden because he used Lil Wayne beat?
Bullshit hiphopdx
sheETHER will always be remembered as the track where REMY crushed Nicki! You all feel REMY has no relevance because of your age and the fact you just recognize her from Love and Hip Hop. You all are the same people who only notice Stevie J. from Love and Hip Hop because you aren’t aware of his significance as a Producer. IMO as a diss track sheETHER was more disgusting than Back-to-back and Charged Up! As a Hip Hop fan, my disappointment is that Nicki may not respond. As a female emcee, aside from Rapsody — this is Nicki’s comp so a response is warranted!! Lol same stunt Meek pulled when he didn’t respond to Drake smh. Those type of stunts are what water down Hip Hop. sheETHER broke the internet as REMY scored flawless victory with this fatality and you mean to tell me Nicki may not respond or shouldn’t respond? That’s WACK!
Trent Clark… Thank you. Hip Hop murderer.
author said shut prriod
I humored you with the read, even if the title had me already me smh. 2 short reasons its a.W. 1.No diss track since Ether is even worth mentioning, 2.so she did Right by going at it and killing the bars. All that other nonsense you wax poetic on is just to take shine away. She bodied her like no female has since the Golden Era. You reachin
Dumb ass dx lol
Who ever wrote clearly a nikki minaj fan and doesn’t know hip hop i been hip hop since’82 this article is trash have a blessed day
Hiphopdx should fire this writer… no context..
I was thinking the same thing. He was reaching real hard with this one..they must of really needed to put an editorial out so that it doesn’t look like the battle was one sided (*which it was = facts are facts!) … who ever ‘Trent Clark’ is, he definitely is definitely not doing this site Justice with articles like this. :/
I actually agree. I thought the beat was completely lame. Totally boring track. I couldn’t even listen to it all the way they once. I know Femy is a real MC and Niki is another Drake. Niki doesn’t write shit. Ever. Rent us access to producers like Premier, Showbiz, Buckwild, Pete Rock and many more old school NYC legends. She should of hit Primo with 5-10 Geez and voltem something like Jadakiss’ Maninal beat. This was garbage.
Although I do agree Remys track would have been best served with a new beat. You are assuming everyone knows there history, or old enough to have witnessed the Nas vs Jayz beef. If anything having a classic diss record brought back 15 yrs later may introduce the uninitiated to the history.
Sounds like hating to me Nicki got slaughtered
This is the worst article I have ever read in my life. Ok, maybe you don’t think she should have used the ‘Ether’ beat, but I thought that was a bit of class, showing these kids what a real diss track sounds like. God damn HHDX is dead. This article is unbelievable, everyone all over the net is saying ‘Remy killed Nicki’ … except this website. Are you going against the grain to be quirky or to get Barbz to visit your site? I’m in disbelief. Shocking piece.
Fun cause lm not , probably because beat was off and u know we all know there a lot Nicki Minaj fan l can’t take nothing from Nicki or remy at all From rap
Remy did kill Nicki on this diss but I agree about the beat. Using this instaed of a more current beat took away from the song but we are still waiting on Nicki
Beat was way off and stared not listen to it at all but bars were good a have nothing against Nicki Minaj or remy ma they both talented raps just stupid ass beef like seriously that all people ever fuck do
She might out do remy who know she still has drop nothing yet
Remy did kill Nicki on this diss but I agree about the beat. Using this instead of a more current beat took away from the song but we are still waiting on Nicki
I’m never ever coming back on this website – HiphopDX sold their soul
This article , blog whatever is no good rake it down. Been using hiphopdx fir my rap_ hip hop news for literally years . Youll bettee then this
I’ll never come the hiphop dx again. Ya’ll should take the hiphop out of the name. pophopdx
It sound like Nicki Minaj wrote this!
true
I think you mean Safaree wrote this ???
The internet was on fire for two days. And your gonna say remy ma lost . You guys lost
Don’t know why I clicked on this BS. Glad I only read 2 sentences. What moment was she looking for. She flamed the isht out of nicki. The writer one of those mfers who’s never satisfied. Get off of Nicki fake cakes.
Its comical how people jumping on Remy for a diss track, but don’t forget that Nicki is light skinned and light skinned chicks will always look better than ugly ass brown chicks like Remy Ma so Nicki automatically won this whole thing cause no matter how much you diss a light skinned chick, you pretty much lost the war
That’s so not the issue here.
U really can’t be that Fukin ignorant?! Damn!
Damn y’all be hating on the Elder statesmen in Hip Hop first on their dope album 4mics fat joe n Remy ma killed it and now a diss that was fire also she took it back because this new generation seems to play dumb for the internet like they don’t know they Hip Hop history as opposed to just saying I don’t know it all because it is a lot of history but you know the legends Fasho no doubt if my lil bro 23-24 and he knows ijs but stop dick riding I actually like y’all site but y’all becoming bias just report don’t add your personal or paid for two cents.
RNS
This shit is chess it ain’t checkers.
Well……Checkmate for Nicki, Bcuz now R.E.M. Is being sued. Stupid af.
Genuinely one of the worst reviews on this site and to do with this rap beef. (Trent Clark did someone from the Barbz camp pay or what for this review)
I’m pretty neutral when it comes to this, i’ve enjoyed both their music from remys freestyles to barzzz in beeeez in the trap but remy ma killed the track, unruly attitude and deep cutting barz plus so many quotables so now lets see what Nicki comes out with.
The beat is perfect for this diss most beats from this era would of done as they got that original NY hip hop attitude but this one was perfect for setting the scene, NY city kings Nas and Jay-Z strapped up the boots for it now it’s time of the queens of NY and it suits the vibe set.
Last but not least apologies to Trent Clark that it wasn’t spit over a southside beat or a tre pounds beat…. oooooh well
Agreed. Trent sounds like a young student of Hip Hop that skipped chapters of the game that wasn’t interesting to him. The battling part of Hip hop has not limitations on which beat will make it official. Remy went in like a battle rapper looking for blood. The lyrical content counts. The lines dedicated to the Barb’s mother’s will extend to the places that hurt. Might not hit white america first, but that’s not where remy is targeting immediately. Like she said, the black community that looked up to this unrealistic image that Nicki pushes is the target. I love hip hop and I appreciate this type of track in this era
Hiphopdx yall lost soon as you thought of the notion that remy lost for putting out what maybe be best diss song in a while. Yall are always on Future, Nicki and drakes side no matter what, yall got to be on they payroll to say some of the shit yall be saying, everybody know nicki got lit up no denying that, I actually think it was a really dope move to use ether beat and flip and call it shether.
How would Nicki fans know the 15 year old Nas “Ether” beat? Her fans were toddlers when that came out…
I don’t know, maybe because it’s referred to as the greatest dis record of all time, people still talk about it today, and it still gets played on mix shows? Just a guess..
Very on point editorial. A lot of ppl giving extra praise to this record simply because they dislike Nicki.. Solid bars on the track, but this article addresses the OBVIOUS flaws.. Nitpicking? Maybe.. True? Definitely.
Ya’ll already lost about 1000 readers make that 1001 I aint never comin back on this teeny bopper azz tiger beat of hip hop website! Str8 Trash!!
Byeeeee! It can/will flourish without the ignorance.
hiphop dx yall are making hiphop soooo pop and white.O my fucking GOD! It CAN”T be a Black or Hispanic in charge at hiphop dx. it is sooo fucking watered down..Get real hood niggas up there balance that shit out
Nikki minaj was an experiment. It’s too bad all the 12 year olds ate up her garbage because if the young ones didn’t she would be done by now. She made executives money, now they know what kids like. Fake, flamboyant, screaming in different voices and accents. They need to keep Nikki afloat to cater to the younger and predominantly female contingent. There is no other plant like her in the industry at this time. If Nikki goes, all the young fans of hers would slowly gravitate back to pop. She keeps the predictable young pop fans money in rap, apposed to another genre. This is why we get fed this trash on the daily. Shout out to Trent Clark for baiting a community with a misleading headline and getting over 100 comments and thousands of clicks. Your boss is proud son
He listens to the Massa very well
I seems like it’s a parody from some of these hiphop sites,,Like you guys are getting kicks….Soooo disrespectful …Do a live chat and talk to real people fuck vlogs and comments
They can’t! They’re too focused on Barz instead of “The Art of Success”. Stuck in the damn 80s/90s
This article and the writer / SAD !
TRENT CLARK THE CULTURE VULTURE CENSORS/ DELETES UR COMMENTS IF HE DOESNT LIKE IT. SAD!!
This is Trent Clark I deleted your comment cause you said mean things about Ms. Miraj they will not be tolerated on my watch! All Praise the Barbz!
TRENT CLARK GO JOIN CNN OR THE NYTIMES SOME FAKE NEWS AGENCY. HOW DOES NICKI’S DICK TASTE IN YOUR MOUTH?
I’ve said it a 1000 times. Whoever does these editorials has to be under 16. I know where you are coming from, but I know where she is coming from too. Shether is #9 in the country.
FACTS
Not anymore. Lol!!!!!
The person that wrote this is clearly out of touch with whats going on. This was masterfully done from adding the “SH” to Ether to the Cover Art with the barbie with limbs torn off and bloody. Ether did what it did, but lets be honest…there was alot more to talk about with Nicki so the diss had alot more content to cover, was alot more disrespectful, and was alot more lyrical than the Original Ether (even though Pap wrote some of it). Of the stature of the two rappers involved in the original skirmish made grow larger than life.
I was wit you up to it was more lyrical WTF serious this diss was easier because Nas verison was real song Remy’s was great but wasn’t like Back to Back or Dollar and sense , Hit em up and Takeover and wasn’t oringal she stole lines copy and paste yes she went in she’s a battle rapper all bars no hook plus Ether is classic from a classic album .
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Trent Clark is the Buckeye-born, Los Angeles-based Editor-in-Chief for HipHopDX. With more than nine years writing about the culture, it’s a miracle he hasn’t cut a demo to the masses for free stream and download.
Yo Trent! When you gonna drop that demo to the masses and bless us with some heat? Lolol whatever fuckin fanboy clown shoes
Possible Trent Clark Rap Names:
M.C Butter Thighs, Lil Keyboard King,
DiX Luva Luva, M.C Gusto 2, Its Trent, Turkey Neck M.C
Trent “I know the Culture” Clark. MC Milli Vanilli, Lil fuccboi, B.S.D aka Big Sean Dingleberry
I thought this article touched on what I initially thought of this track as well. Remy verses are Dope af but why use the Nas beat? Ether beat to diss people is played out, and I mean that with respect to Nas, the originator of the song. She def would’ve had a bigger impact if she had an original beat to spit fire on. Later down the line we’ll all be like “remember when Remy killed Nicki on that Ether beat”. Not a bad thing but try to get your name out there with original shit and start making that Pop Star money.
“Hit em up” was a classic diss used on Junior mafias on beat….Jadakiss used outkast beat to diss 50 that was classic…plus nikki big upd nas on her diss song with gucci. It was brilluant of her to use Ether
Ok it was kind of wack, but lets just call this Corporate media protecting their corporate artists.
To the article writer Trent Clark: I apologize, however, I disagree with your article and it sounds very one-sided. To say that “there’s no victory” is wrong because if you have not notice, Remy Ma wanted to refresh new or old hip-hop fans of the true meaning behind hip-hop: having a message and having a savvy flow with slang and metaphors (IMO). I have been listening to hip-hop since its inception and one thing is clear, to my knowledge: having a message and standing by it. Sure, hip-hops changed and I believe you’re only weighing in stats than the fact that in the hip-hop culture, you can have all the money in the world yet respect must be earned and depending on what one rapper represents can affect them majorly so maybe that is why Remy Ma used Nas’s old track, just like you stated about the beef between Nas and Jay-Z. You also seem to go backwars about how old the song is and whether we should not be appreciating the artistry and sounds [and messages] before Nikki’s time. Another thing that Inoticed is that Remy Ma was simply rapping facts about Nikki’s connections to her brother’s allegations and reminding the fans of Nikki if that is the KIND of artistry they want to BE supporting. Drake is a different time from diss tracks of before and maybe that is why he was able to be successful with where he is at but surely he learned from the likes of KRS-ONE, Nas, Jay-Z, Tupac, Biggie, to name a few… Maybe you should open your mind a little bit more as to how the culture of hip-hop can be. As Remy Ma puts it today on Twitter: “At first she wrote, “Not that I care but… #shETHER #9 rap song on US iTunes.” Later, she commented again, stating, “#shETHER #2
C,this Y u shouldn’t base ya life around this.”These streets aren’t made 4 every1, that’s why they made sidewalks” #Barz.”
You gotta be a real hip hop head to understand why Remy chose ether.
1. Nikki is from Queens
2. Nikki shouted out Nas in her diss bar
3. She compared herself to Jay
4. A battle rapper disses over any track lets not forget kiss on Outkast beat… Cam on Nas beat…Jay on Nas beat…Beanie Sigel on kiss beat 2pac on Junior Mafia beat….ect…ect
5. I know this concept may be new to you but some of the illest battlesongs came from using previous diss records
Facts
The Ether beat sux, J and Nas was week to me personally. I thought this was corny with some good lines. No Vaseline, Bridge is over, The bitch in you & 2nd round knock out were all great original dis records. If you use a weak beat it kills the dis, they go together.
Trent Clark you cant save Nicki, its over. She lost.
She doesn’t need him. She has Social Media. The same place Remy wanna be, and won’t make it with the she putting out. Tooo Old School.
Takeover had a better beat but Ether was the better diss record by a long shot. Nas was smart to pick a beat that sounded like something going down in New York City. His lyrical ability is pretty much high as you can get. Nas not only made Jay look silly to us but he went deeper and went into jay’s complex as a man and his inner feelings. Both are Goats but Nas won that battle. Jay had facts on takeover but so did Nas on Ether. It was great for hip hop. Nicki is feeling like the underdog right now and everyone is counting her out so it’ll be interesting to see if or how she will reply. Remy has no flow. Her lyrics are ok but that about it.
It is well known that Ether contained a lot lies.
Who even cares if it was the Ether beat, if people don’t care about Drake using ghostwriters in this day and age do you really think using a beat from a diss record 15 years ago is a violation no one gives a fuck about that but you.
Next up on dx: Why Lil Yachty is better than Michael Jackson
The writer of this article should be smacked up for that . This is Top 5 of diss tracks. #Real HipHop/Rap
Top Five, nahh, don’t be prisoner of the moment, as dope as it was, I was bored about 4.5 minutes in.
Top 5 diss track for sure Remy went in and made shit personal too at the end. It was Raw
That’s the problem with HHDX. They’re SUPER behind the times. Though it’s an editorial and they have the write to an opinion, NO ONE in the streets is talking about how old the instrumental is, or how Remy should’ve picked an original beat. She picked one of the most well-known diss songs to mimic, and she killed it. Plain and simple. Everyone has acknowledged that, and yet here comes HHDX with a bullshit, “I wanna be the smart Negro in the room” editorial. Fuck outta here! lol
The streets don’t getu paid, as exposure does. Some old heads may not like it, but this the era of social media. Ask, Remy. That’s why she dropped her diss there. So, roll wit it OR get rolled da FUK ova. Lol
After i read this foolish title, i came here to read the comments and boy yal didn’t disappoint. Lls over 120 comments not agreeing
To the writer of this content?????????????????????????????can’t ????????? your point you are pure trash……you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. ……….men go such a dick hole
Ive been saying this for years now… These Hip Hop journalists especially black journalists don’t know shit about Hip Hop. They write about “Kings” and “Queens” but have no fucking clue about street culture. There are no kings and queens in poverty, where Hip Hop essentially roots from. These journalist went to school for the English Language and how to write, they didnt learn a damn thing about Hip Hop in College. Notice they have been writing Pro-Black “editorials” that’s strictly geared towards the black community BUT Hip Hop is not black or white, it is multi-cultural. This just tells you how mainstream journalist(If you can call them that) are out of touch with reality and the Hip Hop COMMUNITY(not culture). They really think Hip Hop is Twitter and Social Media…. Trent Clark is also a very big advocate of shitting on white artists and using the term “appropriating black culture” all over. As if other races are not welcome in Hip HOp. He hides his racism behind that term. This article proves that They dont know shit about Hip Hop
HipHopDX Take this L.
Period.
Couldn’t agree more. SHEther is definitely aggressive but it’s full of accusations not facts. It’s unnecessary to me, only to promote an average album with Fat Joe. If Nicki releases a song it will a be better song as a whole and will get played more. Although she doesn’t need to respond, if she says nothing and releases other music that’s successful, that will be Remys downfall who’s on her way to be a Reality star and not a rapper, much like Budden.
Trent Clak you are definitely entitled to your opinion , but you don’t even sound likes bias journalists , you sound like the leader of the Nicki fan club. What Rem did was take Nicki in the backyard, she took her to the playground. When Kobe played at the Rucker, it wasn’t about his money or his professional success, it was strictly about could he hold his own against the best street ballers in the world. Kobe more than held his own at the Rucker. Rem brought the battle to Nicki’s front door, the best thing about a hiphop battles is the person with the best skill set comes out on top, it’s not about stats. It’s not about album sales or revenue generated, its all about skills. You coming to her defense isn’t gonna help Nicki. You writing a piece downplaying and taking shots at Rem isn’t going to help Nicki. The only thing that’s gonna help Nicki is Bars, because in a rap battle Trent Clark, bars are literally the only thing that matters. Nicki is a wonderful talent, and she can rap kinda good for a girl, but Rem can rap good no matter the gender!
Ily
Facts!
she been in jail 8 years, when she went in ether still banged
Ctfu
Good for us that opinions are just that, I think it was symbolic Remy Ma using Nas track. It’s exciting to see two top dog female artists battle for the crown. Until KRS explains his recent remarks, he’s not relevant.
Agree 100%
Hip hop is dead because people who discovered hip hop in the late 90’s are killing it. This article is diluted and simple. She roasted her over a Nas beat. Ether where lyricism ruled and for once everyone was questioning all of our favorite rapper.
not the late 90. More likely the Mid-2000’s.
This article sounds like Nicki’s ppl paid to have it written lol. Talking like Remy just bullying Nicki smh. Nicki started this whole mess now playing the victim I guess yall forgot she is an “actress”. Nicki been sly dissing Remy and I commend Remy for waiting this long to even respond. If you big enough to talk mess about someone you should be big enough to take it. Nicki a big girl she a “MuthaF**king Monsta” remember lol.
FOH with this article.
So what if she chose ether to body her.
Nicki needs to drop a rebuttal point blank period.
Id Fuck Remy before Nicki and thats all that matter here. Nuff said
I agree af..using the beat doesn’t give her her own moment and although I think bad won the beef other ppl think jay won cuz he signed him in the end..either way make ur own wave and she wasn’t flowing right over the beat & for anyone saying we sound like Nicki stand na Remy just ain’t no Nas and wasn’t nothin strategic abt using Ether beat. Ppl gone play it one time maybe twice or 3x if u slow just to hear the shit she was talkin n dassit
While everyone is talking”Battle” ur girl being sued now, for not being smart. Battle That!?
I see what he’s saying. She could have made it a real song, made some pop money off of it. But I think it’s just a different mentality, this wasn’t money driven but respect driven.
Some raw hip-hop shit. But the times have changed and the author is right, Nicki can do some pop shit and dis her back and make it a hit.
For pop music Nicki
For hip-hop Remy
Sorry but I am going to have to disagree with this article because I grew up during the’90s and hip-hop artist was jacking for other hip-hop artist beats all the time and they careers didn’t suffer one bit just asked Ice Cube and any other hip-hop artist and they would tell you that they careers didn’t suffer they careers only have gotten better and Hip Hop Dx you all over there should know better than this Remy Ma’s career is not going to suffer at all and actually it’s going to get better than ever tust and believe that welcome to real hip-hop raw and uncut battle rap is coming back so get use to it!
DX – in the future, refrain from authoring articles of this type as they are meanlingless harangues bereft of substance
Don’t call this hiphopdx.. call this something else. This article is atrocious. Please tell me some old out of touch guy wrote this. Very disappointed.
Agreed. People fell in love with the track out of this desire to see Nicki being taken down. I get that. Nicki sold out. But that doesnt make this the best diss ever like theyre trying to make it. Nicki is capable of delivering a great verse, being funny and all that. So she COULD come back from this. But the clock is ticking……
This “writer” is clearly an imbecile. Remy Ma took a beat that is in the pantheon of hip-hop beats which is associated with one of the greatest diss records of all time and BODIED the “#1” person in the field that she is in. In a genre that women are mostly looked down upon as inferior artists, she had the balls (and the marketing savvy) to take a classic record, own the beat — even if only for a moment, and name it “ShEther.” Make no mistake about it, this record is going to go down in the history of hip-hop and will forever be talked about. If that isn’t the goal, what is?
Nicki, was this your comeback record? This whack article? Drop some bars and hopefully the track will be better than this lame article.
Clearly Nicki minaj wrote this cause only her or one of her dumb barbs could think along these lines so good point
I look at HHDX as a subtler version of TMZ. Yall pick a side way in advance. Discredit yourselfs by riding dick of the POP STAR. Then you think your whole (She picked Nas old beat!!) argument is even an argument. Everyone thought it was a good look except TRENT CLARK! No one comes here to get information cus they know its all biased. They just come here to comment on your fuck shit. REMY 1 …..NICKI 0…THATS HOW IT IS
Hip Hop weekly get off Niki bra strip. I feel it was great that Remy use the ether beat she wanted to send a message and there is no better way to do that but use the nas ether beat. Hip hop weekly stop being bias
smh @ this stupid article. Everyone knows when you get on the Ether beat you better have some heat or more than likely your career is done, especially given how historically relevant that song is. Luckily for Remy she came for Nicki’s neck and what Nicki do????? Nothing. She can beef with Taylor, Mariah and whoever else but won’t look Remy’s way? That’s cause she knows Remy will fight back.
Somebody needs to start a REDDIT for HipHopDX and show how viewers flame and expose these clue-less MF’s. Anybody on reddit?
yeah i’m on there; what’s your u/ ?
Fuck this shit, dick riding Nicki. That bih can’t function without her ghostwriters who are more like “fast paced pop” writers. Remy came, saw and KILLED Nicki!!! That’s what she get for thinking a fake fat ass would win her a rap battle with subs, fuck!!!
Lmao at just how out of touch these cubicle niggas be with the streets.this was an atomic bomb fuck whose beat it was .stick a fork in ole bum
Whoever wrote this missed the point completely. Of course Remy Ma could have done it on a different beat or come up with a new beat altogether. The reason it was done on the Ether beat is because of what the beat signifies. It was the beat that Nas destroyed Jay Z over. Remy using it is SYMBOLIC of SHether being the female equivalent of Ether. Duh. How could a person not understand that? Like, are you dumb?
Absolutely nobody agrees with you Trent you fucking moron. How does it feel to have everyone hate you?
Disagree, it was slick to pick that instrumental. Niki is a huge nas fan, so it was perfect to flip it on her. Now she won’t be able to ever listen to her favorite rapper’s best diss track the same ever again. What does meek mill vs drake have to do with any of this? that was by far one of the corniest most overhyped “beefs” in the past decade. Taking people to the club? The author of this article clearly is disconnected and lacks understanding of the culture.
I agree with Trent’s article. There’s a reason we still talk about KRS-One “Bridge Is Over”, Ice Cube “No Vaseline”, 2Pac “Hit Em Up”, Jay-Z “Takeover” and Nas “Ether”; that’s because they were very well created from scratch – from lyric (Bars), cadence, delivery and doing it on an original beat. How many freestyle disses comes up in conversations about greatest disses or diss tracks ever? None that I can think about and there’s a reason for that because freestyles are dime a dozen.
ShEther was definitely disrespectful, but Remy’s flow wasn’t smooth and the song was too long. If you’re trying to bury someone why would you drop all of your ammo in one song when you could have made it into 2 or 3 diss records. Then Remy followed up prematurely and released a weak ass diss; why? Because she had nothing else of substance to say. She already used all her ammo in a 7 min diss. Dump move.
The reason the author mentioned the Drake/Meek squabble, is because Drake killed Meek by dropping disses on original beats which was played heavily on the radio and climbed the charts. That’s how you destroy your enemy or at least put them in there place. Most hater’s of Drake didn’t even realize that was his plan; that’s call strategy. A difference in playing chess vs checkers.
Now, ShEther is getting pulled off these music sites for copyright infringement because she didn’t get clearance or use an original beat. This leaves room for Nicki to release a diss song on her upcoming album and make it a banger for her “Barbs” and it will probably be in rotation 24-7 and kill all of the noise about her career being dead.
I partially agree with this article. Remy TRIED really hard to tear Nicki Minaj down with this diss record. Since this diss was, Remy Ma has come out with two singles… TWO. One with Lil Kim and another with Chris Brown. Both singles failed tremendously. Even on a track with Chris Brown, Remy was not able to accomplish anything. Everyone was all team Remy Mafia, until her actual music dropped. She really thought the industry fucked with her… DASS A LIE!