New York, NY – Kanye West’s documented use of ghostwriters has often been the focal point of criticism when discussing his skills as a rapper, but Vic Mensa sees it differently.

During an interview on Hot 97’s Real Late With Peter Rosenberg, the outspoken MC defended Yeezy’s lyrical prowess by detailing his own experience of Ye’s abilities.

The defense was sparked by a discussion about the creative process behind West’s albums. Mensa described the scene of a typical studio session, which involved multiple people freestyling and throwing out lines with a mic in the middle of the actual room. But after detailing how West acts as a conductor in the midst of it all, Mensa wanted to make sure he was not giving critics more food for fodder.

“Sometimes, as they do, people try to use that and maybe attack his lyrical abilities,” he said around the 14-minute mark. “You know, say Kanye’s got ghostwriters and all this. And I just wanna set the record straight that . You know, and that’s just the truth. The things that he comes up with when nobody puts any lines in are the dopest ones.”

The interview also delves into Mensa’s relationship with Chance The Rapper, the demise of Kids These Days, activism and much more.

Watch the entire conversation above.