Once upon a time in a universe far, far away, HipHopDX used to host blogs. Through Meka, Brillyance, Aliya Ewing and others, readers got unfiltered opinions on the most current topics in and beyond Hip Hop. After a few years, a couple redesigns and the collective vision of three different Editors-In-Chief, blogs are back. Well, sort of. Since our blog section went the way of two-way pagers and physical mixtapes, Twitter, Instagram and Ustream have further accelerated the pace of current events in Hip Hop. Rappers beef with each other 140 characters at a time, entire mixtapes (and their associated artwork) can be released via Instagram, and sometimes these events require a rapid reaction.
As such, we’re reserving this space for a weekly reaction to Hip Hop’s current events. Or whatever else we deem worthy. And the “we” in question is me, Andre Grant and Ural Garrett. Collectively we serve as HipHopDX’s Features Staff. Aside from tackling stray topics, we may invite artists and other personalities in Hip Hop to join the conversation. Without further delay, here’s this week’s “Stray Shots.”
Is Andre 3000 A Top 10 All-Time Emcee?
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Andre: Thanksgiving found a little nugget of amazingness walking the Internet boulevard when someone got a hold of Erykah Badu and Andre 3000’s “Hello,” off her new mixtape But You Can’t Use My Phone. The song’s a reunion of lovers on one hand (Erykah and 3 stacks sired a child, Seven, and then turned into pure energy like Powder only to return to human form sometime later), and it’s just great on the other. Does anyone do that 60s/70s hippie you can hear us walking outside and birds chirping thing better than these two? So, yeah, the song is magical and just a nice end to a mixtape I haven’t properly consumed yet. The thing for me was, of course, Andre’s verse. Has anyone put the game in a chokehold on features alone more than stacks? He’s Hip Hop’s best co-star by far, and he has been for so long that you almost take it for granted. He’s a method actor out here playing Hamlet next to action stars. He brings to tracks almost always the thing that it’s missing. He seems to move in between notes and ideas effortlessly, both molding his inner melody to what’s happening on the record and jumping between styles as though he’s leapfrogging from rock-to-rock at summer camp. He raps well. He sings well. His voice fits into any space. He’s a master of the art of rap.
But this brings me to another old conversation: Is Andre 3000 really a top 10 emcee ever? With no true solo project? Is that even possible? Since Hip Hop is as much a mythic thing as an actual thing I’m going to say it is. Andre 3000 is top ten dead or alive. If the devil showed up at my wedding and demanded I choose one person in a verse off for the soul of my soon born child that person would be 3 stacks. Without a thought. Without a question. He would be the only rap lifeline you’d ever need. Technically speaking he’s a phenomenon. He’s playing out there. It’s almost like you can hear him smile through verses. And, the shy ATLien is in his own lane as a person. The reason that Key and Peele skit hit so hard is because Andre 3000 seems like he’s liable to do just about anything. Bird seeds? He might be on that and we’re not because we don’t know better, right? 3 Stacks is so sparse that he seems to know everything. He only does what he does best (which is sort of most everything) so we never have to experience him failing at something. He hasn’t dropped an iffy verse since, what, 1995?
Which brings me to my next point. “Hello” and it’s verse by Andre is the reason why every year at your New Year’s party or tragedy at precisely twelve o’clock you pray to the God of the future and you say, “Please, oh lord of things to come, please can we get an Andre 3000 solo album?” Just so that when I’m drunk with my friends and I bring up how the esoteric half of OutKast deserves to be considered top 10 they can’t say, “But he doesn’t have a solo album!” Just so we can all bow our heads in agreement as we break bread at some undeserving diner at some place that seems to have not existed before that precise moment.
And to all those that equate a 3 stacks conversation with dissing Big Boi: shut up. Big Boi is in my top 10, too.
Ural: I haven’t heard Badu and Andre 3000 sound this good together since OutKast’s Stankonia jungle boogie “Humble Mumble.” Seems like the two parents and former lovers have matured quite well as artists since then. Back then, Badu was clearly the more high profile act as she dropped Mama’s Gun literally a month afterwards. Fast forward to now, 3K would go on to have his ultimate cross-over moment years down the line through “Hey Ya” and become Hip Hop’s most prolific emcee without actually officially releasing a solo project. However, he’s delivered some of the greatest guest verses this past decade from time to time. For someone of his status within pop music, there isn’t the feeling of high-art snobbery that many in his place partake in. Andre really is the greatest lyricist to come from the south hands down. Who else could steal the show on Unk’s “Walk It Out” remix, match Frank Ocean’s vibe through “Pink Matter and stand by Houston legends UGK for “International Player’s Anthem?” Regardless of what scope someone views Hip Hop through, Andre 3 stacks can easily become apart of the discussion.
Compared to his peers, is it fair to call 3K top ten of all time? While many like to forget, OutKast records were great because of Andre and Big Boi’s collective input. Take away Daddy Fat Stacks out of the equation on Speakerboxxx/TheLoveBelow and one is left with an experimental pop album with really two or so actual rap moments. Some could call it similar to the hype around Lauryn Hill’s Miseducation album which featured sparse moments of rapping. That’s the reason why it never got nominated for Best Rap Album despite taking home Album Of The Year that night. Yes, the real reason why OutKast’s fifth album won both of those Grammy’s that night was because of Big Boi due to sheer technicality. Getting Album Of The Year that night was a joint effort with Boi holding traditionalist Hip Hop heads down and 3K wooing mainstream music lovers.
3K’s influence within Southern Hip Hop can still be seen to this day in everyone from T.I, Jeezy, Raury, and Future (a Dungeon Family member) to Young Thug strange as it is. Is it fair to compare the Atlanta native to Biggie, Pac, Hov and the likes considering he hasn’t dropped a full body of solo work? For some, that really matters. Meanwhile, others can honestly care less. Can Andre 3K pull his own weight in releasing an album that continues his rise into pop’s stratosphere while satisfying Hip Hop heads who have stood by him since Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik? I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the dilemma he’s actually facing at the moment.
Andre Grant is an NYC native turned L.A. transplant that has contributed to a few different properties on the web and is now the Features Editor for HipHopDX. He’s also trying to live it to the limit and love it a lot. Follow him on Twitter @drejones.
Ural Garrett is a Los Angeles-based journalist and HipHopDX’s Senior Features Writer. When not covering music, video games, films and the community at large, he’s in the kitchen baking like Anita. Follow him on Twitter @Uralg.
No. He’s honestly one of the most overrated. He was young thuggin before young thugga
Greatest lyricist out of the South? Ahead of Scarface? Ahead of Killer Mike? I might even put K.R.I.T. ahead of Andre. 3000 is nice and his features are interesting but he’s not the top dog.
Totally Overrated and Not Better then All the Guys You Mentioned
If you remember Mount Olympus, Krit said it best about 3000.
Some of his shit most be going over your heads. Listen. 3 Stacks is likely top 5.
The best to ever do it
Incredible lyricist and a poignant mind in rap BUT this guy has no solo body of work to be deemed Top 5. It’s disrespectful to the artists who actually aren’t afraid to drop projects and put their thoughts into actual albums. Len Bias could of been one of the greats but with no body of work to place against other players it’s mere hearsay and same applies to Dre
1. Biggie, 2. Rakim, 3. Krs one, 4. Nas, 5. Pac, 6. Jay z, 7. LL cool J, 8. Big daddy Kane, 9. Kool g rap, 10. Slick rick, 11. Ice cube, 12. Scarface, 13. Masta ace, 14. Tragedy Khadafi, 15. The Gza, 16. Big punisher, 17. Big L, 18. Redman, 19. Black thought, 20. AZ, 21. Andre 3000, 22. Eminem, 23.Prodigy, 24. Pharoahe monch, 25. Jeru the damaja, 26. Canibus, 27. Treach, 28. Method Man, 29. Kool moe Dee, 30. Grandmaster Caz. 31. Jadakiss, 32. O.C, 33. Cormega, 34. Queen Latifah, 35. Kurupt, 36. Guru, 37. Inspectah Deck, 38. Ghostface Killah, 39. Raekwon, 40. Lauryn Hill, 41. Mic Geronimo, 42. Sticky Fingaz, 43. Busta Rhymes, 44. Common, 45. The D.O.C, 46. Black Rob, 47. Mase, 48. Mos def, 49. Big Boi, 50. Ras Kass
Lol…to each his own…but mase before Big Boi? Really? Lol
Out of top 50 list you give a lol really comment about one artist. Hahaha. That’s funny. And first of all Mase would have been higher on the list but I got lazy and couldn’t be fucked changing it all. If you don’t know who Murda mase is then keep listening to young jeezy or whatever wack artists you listen to. Lol. Second big boi really isn’t in my top 50 I just added him because again I got lazy. Ol dirty bastard is better and totally forgot about him. G dep, sauce money, lord finesse, Craig g, noreaga, snoop, talib kweli, q tip etc are all better then big boi.
too long time since he released a FULL track.
hes all about features the last few years. gg. hes too afraid to rap through a whole song.
that guy is done.
he should have released a few albums, after outkast. but he didnt and now he says hes too old for that stuff. wtf man.
Big boi is the better half.
I would say he is even without a solo album. You dont have to be a solo artist to make an impact. He’s amazing.
No hes not. First of all the first staff member doesnt even mention WHY andres skills are top notch(they are). He talks about popularity and his new song with erykah and how many features he had. Why not breakdown his lyrics ajd flow, how versatile he is, how he choses his words. You cant you dont know how to judge a MC. If need to look at grammy nominations in order to find out whos the best then you shouldn’t be writing about top 10 MCs. By the way, Lil Wyne is featuring King.Nobody had more dope features than lil wayne and made every song a hit. Anybody that remembers the mid 2000s knows. Does that make him top 10? NOPE
It is a known fact in Hip Hop that Guru and Black Thought are bettwr than Andre but DXwouldn’t know that… they only cover Commercial rap not real Hip Hop.
Sooooooo nobody is going to mention how horrible Erykah Badu’s song Hello is? What a horrible Todd Rundgren – Hello It’s Me REMIX this is. Original is still a classic.
Pleeeaassseee give me some of what you’re smokin’!!! It stands on its on merit. They’re just paying homage to one of the RnB greats. Not the first time and won’t be the last time that’s happened in music, FYI.
If done right, we keep art of great music alive for each generation to consume….
Everyone talkin bout a solo body of work, but most cats now have so many guest spots, theirs aren’t solo bodies of work either. The word play is what makes 3k top ten. His work is intelligent and sophisticated unlike a lot of rappers. You really have to listen and analyze his verses because of the complexity. If you are simple, then you won’t get him.
Andre 3k is top ten.. and here’s why: he influenced half the rap game. And he did it without a solo album. He changed the soundscape and there are soooo many rappers out there influenced by his work. How many rappers have achieved that? That’s why he’s top 10.
He influenced half the rap game only in your World. You cant be serious with all the trap crunk and drill music out now
He More Than anybody I ever heard (Jay-Z is very close) not only has always given magnetic soul lyrics and music, but he also inspired me & I’m sure countless others to write so no brainer in my opinion but of course everyone will have theirs’
Yo you can put 10 of his best verses together and it would be hotter than 90% of the tapes dropped in the last 10 years # FACTS
DX writers complain about Lauryn Hill being on the list because more than half her solo is singing but defend Andre when his WHOLE CD is nothing but singing. The Hypocrisy is real
Thats SUCH a bullshit comparison. He has way more material than Lauryn and a greater portion of it is rapping. Lauryn has The Fugees records, which were at least 40% singing and the solo record, which is like 90% singing.
3 stacks change the game by showing you can be versatile in hiphop the crooning/singing/rapping that drake fans love so much was pioneered by Andre. An Raury sounds very similar. November is Hiphop History Month