Although earlier this week it appeared that rappers Pete Rock and Lupe Fiasco had cleared up their issues stemming from the release of Lupe’s “Around My Way (Freedom Ain’t Free),” following an interview between Sway Calloway and Lupe it appears that their issues have not been fully resolved.
A seemingly heated Lupe appeared on “Sway In The Morning” to share his side of the story and explained his songs use of a sample from Pete Rock’s “T.R.O.Y. (They Reminisce Over You).”
“We reached out to Pete in November, right? My team. It was my partner’s idea,” Lupe explained. “He wanted to go back, take an iconic Hip Hop record, flip it, breathe some life into it, and bring it back to new school. That’s the whole point of it so we reached out to Pete…When we rap over the original instrumental we send it to get cleared, Warner Chapel tells us ‘No, that’s the publishing company.’ They tell us ‘You can’t clear that. It’s unclearable.’ There’s portions of that song that have never been cleared before ever. You have to remake it.”
Lupe later went on to speak on his phone conversation with Pete Rock which consisted of himself and several other people and wasn’t as pleasant as many may have assumed it was.
“The funny part is you ain’t even got to go through Pete Rock to clear cause he don’t even own it,” said the rapper. “Then he comes on Twitter the day after the joint’s released or it’s the same day that it’s released and bodies me like that and bodies my crew like that. And just shits on us like that. That’s foul. Then when we finally get on the phone, we didn’t have a [good] conversation. We weren’t on the phone like ‘Oh, I love you Pete at the end of the day.’ I was hot. My crew was hot. The people who put it together was hot. The record company was hot. He just wasn’t on the phone with me; he was on the phone with six people. Like Pete what’s wrong with you? Going in on us like that. We’re trying to pay homage to you.”
“Around My Way (Freedom Ain’t Free)” will be featured on Food & Liquor 2 when it’s released in September.
RELATED: Lupe Fiasco Explains Pete Rock Sample In “Around My Way (Freedom Ain’t Free)”
So put the track out on a mixtape, cut your losses, and stop disrespecting legends. Lupe is the biggest disappointment of the last decade, easily. So much talent wasted on shit music.
Agreed.
Shit music? Your trippin, you must be listenin to the beat and not the lyrics and words
biggest disappointment of the last decade. oh gee
another dumb bitch tryna blow this out of proportion. take a number and shut the fuck up
Yeah, I listen to the beat…it’s called MUSIC. Dude can spit but Lazers was fucking garbage and everything since has been boring. Wasted talent. Pete Rock>Lupe all day everyday, get off the Epic dick.
Or Atlantic. Or whatever major label dictates what his records sound like now.
the first two albums were pretty great
Lupe needs to holla at Pete rock or Pete Rock has to holla at Lupe to make an original beat instead of re-sampling it’s over-sampling.
I wrote about why pete rock has a right to be mad at lupe for this from a producer’s persepctive. Read before you make your judgements.
http://bassandformat.com/pete-rock-right-mad-lupe-fiasco-redoing-troy/
i did i enjoyed it and will be checking the site for more.
GOOD POST !!!
IN ANSWER TO WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO REDO T.R.O.Y ?
IT SHOULD BE PRETTY OBVIOUS IT ALL ABOUT CREATING CONTROVERSY THIS IS APPARENT WITH EVERY LUPE RELASE I HAD A LOT OF RESPECT FOR HIM BUT THIS IS THE FINAL STRAW HIS EGO NEEDS A RELAITY CHECK NO BINARY STAR . . .
So…with all the facts that have surfaced that basically have decimated half of your article, you’re still going to promote it? Way to go…..
lupe doesn’t understand that the producers took the ORIGINAL and didn’t change anything, he took the original shit , didn’t flip the sample didn’t change the drums , fuck that
It was purposely like that, he flat out said he originally used the PR’s instrumental and couldn’t clear it, so they had to remake it
They shouldn’t clear it…T.R.O.Y is a hip hop classic (top 5 of all time). I don’t want to hear anyone rapping over it, remixing it, etc….Leave it alone and come up with something new.
top 5??? on who’s list??
nobody fuckin mentioned this track until this happened. it’s all hater bandwagon bullshit, tryna make Lupe look like the spawn of the devil
Then don’t listen to it.
ETK obviously you some dumb kid that track is CLASSIC in every sense easily top 5 joints of all time
@ETK: Wow,did u seriously just ask “on who’s (top 5) list?” is T.R.O.Y. on??? You need to never be allowed to have an opinion on anything even remotely related to Hip -Hop again…NOVICE!!!
top 6 in this list
http://rap.about.com/od/top10songs/ss/Top100RapSongs_10.htm
What happened to the days of sorting beef out face to face this twitter radio phonecall shit is wack !
SMH RAP is like WWE nowadays I guess the record label need some drama for the album promo this shit is embarrassing please stop this shit ASAP for all us true Hip-hop fans
Real talk. its not just hip-hop either.
problem is the fanbase is tryna make it like the WWE. pleadin for beefs, make something huge outta nothing… it’s bullshit
WHO CARES?
It is hip hop, it’s a sample, all artist sample classic beats, It’s not going to take anything away from TROY. And if the artist don’t own the song then Lupe’s crew really didn’t have to ask P.Rock and CL to use the track. Is hip hop so dead right now that this is all there is to talk about? Again…WHO CARES?
you do. thats why you made this comment
I’m refering to the sample it self not the article.
Again,you cared enough to have an opinion on it and of your own free will, post that opinion, so yea…the answer still is… you care.
U care Trick…FOH!
lupe is a lil bitch, he used to be dope but hes gone so far mainstream that hes lost his roots, dude only cares about what the fuckin label thinks, lasers sucked, just like im sure food and liquor 2 will suck….
if Lupe wanted to pay homage to pate rock he wouldnt have taken a song that was so personal. TROY is about one of pete rocks best friends who passed away…the fact that the song blew up and is now considered one of the most classic songs in hip hop is a testiment to how much soul and passion he put into making it
FUCK LUPE
Yeah, its so personal that the publishing company leases it out to be used on FirstTake every day on ESPN. Its so personal that NOBODY before this event used to say HOW PERSONAL THAT IT WAS! Do you know how often hip hop samples? Do you even know that Mr. Cheeks, Pete Rock and CL already did a retake of this track!? How personal can it be if he already let another nigga spit over it!
This shit is about fucking MONEY! They did an interpolation of the track and got the sampled cleared and Pete can’t make any fucking money off of it, thats why! Lupe already hollered at the nigga and the label couldn’t even get the original track cleared!
All of you niggas are fucking bandwagon. None of you was saying shit about Pete Rock with his Dilla biting ass, but now you on his dick and putting T.R.O.Y top 5 on your list!? T.R.O.Y is a CLASSIC but one week ago if anyone asked you to give them their top 5 hip hop records of all time, MOST of you would have TOTALLY forgot to add T.R.O.Y. Keep it real. This is the problem with society as a whole right now. Niggas are SO bandwagon they don’t even KNOW that they’re bandwagon.
Nah ni99a fuck U.
@STFU: was (kinda) witcha till the whole band wagon part. Trust me this song needs no band wagon…at any old school hip-hop party in pretty much any where in the world, you put T.R.O.Y, on, people recognize it’s iconic status and they react as such.
@STFU another overly emotional Lupe stan that doesn’t know jack please sit down.
“Pete Rock with his Dilla biting ass”
What? Dilla looked up to Pete man he was one of his heroes for fuck sake.
He even re-flipped the same Roy Ayers joint Pete had already used for that Little Brother – Blackstar joint to pay homage.
NOW SITDOWN please.
Yo – again and again Lupe proves himself to be a real dick. I’m glad Pete “Shitted on him and his crew”. He deserves it. First the disrespect with Tribe, and now this. Don’t get me wrong, Pete probably isn’t free of blame here, but I enjoy seeing Lupe get the short end of the stick.
word.
this is bullshit, and is not the first time I seen this happen.
before I say this I’ll note I dig the track T.R.O.Y ever since NBA StreetV2 and I dig Pete as a producer, but no one made a motherfuckin mention of this track until this happened.
yet all of a sudden, this is an UNTOUCHABLE CLASSIC which is so so emotional and Lupe – who suddenly now isn’t shit – needs to stop ‘disrespecting’ legends and makin a fool out of himself. nigga PLEASE.
actin like this is the worst case of sampling ever.. no it isn’t by far. turns out he got the proper approval for it so y’all can’t say shit there. oh but now you say “nigga shoulda put it on a mixtape” Lupe said he’s not doing anymore mixtapes you selective-memory butt niggas. which is a good thing because mixtapes are skewing the rap game anyway. If I had a double album on the way I’d cram shit in there, even beats like this.. which again, the producers got the proper approval for
If the first time you ever heard T.R.O.Y. is in a video game, you are clearly not the most qualified person to be making an argument on this issue…just sayin.
i listen to this song when i lose a loved one so i can clearly see you dont understand the meaning of the song. so keep on playing you nba street.
YO REALTALK THE FACT YOU KNOW T.R.O.Y FROM A FUCKING VIDEO GAME SIGNIFIES YOUR AGE AND IRRELEVANCE TO THIS CONVERSATION.
“yet all of a sudden, this is an UNTOUCHABLE CLASSIC”
NO IT AINT ALL OF A SUDDEN KID IT ALWAYS HAD BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE NOW SITDOWN PLEASE.
PEACE
Hold up, “ALL OF A SUDDEN” it’s classic? If the video game comment wasn’t bad enough this pretty much cemented the fact that you have no business speaking on this. T.R.O.Y. was an INSTANT classic from the moment it hit the airwaves. That song has long since been crowned an all-time hip hop classic.
Hahahahahaha NBA street vol 2
i heard part of the interview this morning before work.. this isnt the first time pete rock has been on some fake shit i can understand why lupe is mad
How you gonna comment on TROY by saying the first time you heard it was on a video game? You need to step up your hip hop history before you jump on here barking, for real you first heard an all-time classic joint playing a video game. Just another testament to the bitch ass niggas in today’s hip hop generation, just a bunch of fake ass internet gangstas. Pete is an all-time legend regardless of how that shit went down, Lupe will never be a legend point blank.
Thank you, hahahhahahaha I thought I was the only one who felt like that. THats how you know they just hoping on the Pete Rock bandwagon
@REALTALK THE DUDE ETK SAYIN HE KNOW ABOUT IT FROM NBA STREET IS A LUPE STAN THO
Pete Rock is a good artist but he’s in no way a legend. If he’s a legend then damn near everyone in the 80’s and 90’s is a legend. Before you think about yapping shit or saying I don’t know squat about hip hop or whatever I have been listening to hip hop/rap since the 89, so I think I know a little something.
LOL sure buddy pete rock isnt a legend, keep telling yourself that
@HIPHOPFAN: Well, maybe to you he isn’t a legend but among his peers he is certainly considered one. It’s one thing to listen to hip-hop it’s quite another to truly understand how skilled somebody is at their craft. All you have to do is see how revered they are among their peers…and Pete is far beyond legendary status in Hip-Hop in that regard.
GTFOH. Lupe freestyled over the beat a few years back. That beat was sampled from the Tom Scott song, Today. I see all the you a bitch cause someone heard the song in a video game. That could be a teen coming up or someone who never came across the song before. That song probably has increased views behind this whole Fiasco (pun intended). 3 million plus views and we got other hip hop classics with the same numbers from that time. Fucking MC Hammer “Can’t Touch This” has 4x the amount of views. This is an issue with hip-hop and rap fans. If you enjopy Hip-hop you seem to enjoy all parts of it and try to really grasp the music. Lupe was kicking some ill rhymes over that beat with this new song. Not many people have even spoke about Pete Rock as well as no one even saying anything about CL Smooth. That’s how I know most of these comments don’t come from an area of critical thinking.
Truth!!
The issue really isn’t that he heard it through a video game, the issue is he’s clearly not well informed enough to question whether or not it’s an iconic top 5 Hip-Hop record. That being said, Pete has kind of a track record of being a shady character…for whatever that’s worth. On the flip side, Lupe never lived down the flippant response he gave to not knowing the words during the ATCQ tribute that he participated in, so who knows who’s in the wrong.
yall need to post the whole conversation
nigga was like “I’M LUPE FIASCO!”
then he was too scared to talk to any of the callers
ya he said “Im Lupe Fiasco, for whatever thats worth.”
Dumbass nigga tryin to pick and choose what you use from what he said. just stfu
Raider Nation
let’s be serious… come on now… so if TROY suddenly isn’t your top 5 you don’t know hiphop…
fuck ya’ll… I never heard of this shit… that doesn’t make me any less of a hip hop head…
I love hiphop but I hate the fans… you guys are straight bitches who butcher everything you represent…
Now it’s fuck Lupe Fiasco to you bitches…
One average album…
Nas has had two average ass albums
Common falls below the bar so fucking often…
KRS-One is still the teacher… but I’ve only ever purchased two of his albums… does it make me less hip hop…
How many niggas sample Slick Rick… come on I’ll fucking wait…
How many niggas sample “Planet Rock” come on I’ll fucking wait…
Shit… I love Rakim… doesn’t mean I give two shits if someone samples his classic just to make him relevant in the new age…
Nobody goes as far back as hip-hop heads…
You niggas have one argument… you must young little ass nigga type argument…
Of course we young… this is the internet boys… this is one of my favorite sites since I was 18… and I’m 20 now… and my priorities and choosing things to wild out over is far more mature than these old ass hiphop purist… get the fuck out the internet bitch…
my email… hmu devante.bennett.63830@gmail.com … until then fuck off…
Nas is too overrated, I mean he is an average a$$ rapper nothing special. And Pete Rock is irrelevant.
Again,it’s not a question of whether it’s on HIS top-five. The issue is that the first time he EVER heard this song was from a video game. That’s the equivalent of going on a Rock blog and saying that you got wind of “Stairway to Heaven” from a commercial, then stating such a declarative opinion on it as if you were an aficionado. You think that guy wouldn’t get called out?!?!?
“I never heard of this shit… that doesn’t make me any less of a hip hop head…”
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL AN THI GUY IS BEIN SERIOUS SMH . . .
You never heard of TROY? Then you are a wet behind the ears new jack contributing to the demise of one of AMerica’s greatest cultural revolutions. Lupe is weak. The 2 of you should sit down and listen to some real rap and learn your history before you go runnin your gums little man
Dude are you serious? The profanity only shows your age. This is just a respect thing man. You have to see it from a PRODUCER & OLD school hiphop head. That is all I am saying.
Not listening to certain music does not make you less HIPHOP. That is a word we use too frequently.
Shoot I agree, NAS has some wack ish. Why? He did not have right production. KRS fell off too but hell the content was still dope. It is about content for me.
AGAIN this is my opinion.
Lupe speaks truth here. A guy that made a career out of sampling other peoples shits is getting butthurt at someone trying to paying homage to his shit. shut up you corny washed up mf. the funniest part of this article is when lupe states they dont even have to contact him for the sample because its not even his sample.
Most people don’t realize that the sample is pretty obscure and what Pete did with it was nothing short of brilliant. The point is that out of respect for even making people aware of the sample through it’s masterful use, a phone call asking for his blessing SHOULD be made.
Pete Rock is an imbecile!
I made a comment about this track on another site but will do it here as well. The original track is a classic but at the same time Pete Rock needs to sit down and keep quiet because new school fans don’t even know who the hell he is. Also, hip hop’s whole concept is all about sampling so whats the big deal?
I also dig Lupe’s music and thought this track was dope. Overall 4.5/5 I am looking forward to his album if it has some good track like this on it.
he didnt sample this beat, he grabbed an instrumental and spewed garbage all over it
Hmm..This is a crazy topic. I understand both points about new school hip hop. But if you look at it, LUPE is dope. Not gonna take nothing from him. What his team should have done was contact Pete Rock WHILE they were thinking of making instead of just recording it then contact Pete. That was the messed up thing about.
If you are a REAL HIPHOP fan (not this POP ish/drug dealer ish that is making so much money) when a song had a DOPE sample back in the day and it was an anthem, NO PRODUCER will ever freak that sample ever again. That is just a violation. Im speaking as I am a producer myself. I would NEVER sample that track ever. That is like someone sampling Common’s “I used to love H.E.R.” You just dont mess with classics!
This is solely my opinion.
Peace
-Ambush
again i find it ridiculous that as people who are all educated and have information at the tip of our fingertips we take every article as gospel. Pete rock ok’d the song from the start of the process if you listen to Lupe’s interview however he told lupe’s team that he didn’t own it and that he will have to clear it with Warner Chanel, however they told him that he would have to recreate the beat from scratch, which he did however it seems as tho Pete def never heard the final version before it was released.
The message of the song will be lost due to the controversy of the beat being a ‘classic and un-touchable’ tho and that us unfortunate
The Thing that pretty much made me hate Lupe Fiasco, was when he said
-The funny part is you aint even got to go through Pete Rock to clear cause he dont even own it,
Yea maybe Pete Rock dont have the legal papers to his song that he clearly made, but its called respect, especially when your not sampling his song you are pretty much re-making it and not even giving him credit so you can save money, that is BS… Its a big deal when you are trying to take someone elses work… Your excuse is you are trying to bring it to the new school, maybe Pete Rock dont want that; It should be Pete Rocks decision whether he owns the rights or not… The dude is the artist who made that song so why you are being a little bitch about what he says… He can say whatever he wants about it, because its basically his Music anyways. I love the meaning of the song that Lupe made, but honestly when you take someone else music and say he doesn’t own it, when it was his blood,sweat and tears that went into that beat and you have the Arrogance to say “He Does Not even Own It” You deserve to get bitch slapped, because now you are trying to justify taking another mans work… Funny thing is When he says it like that he sounds just like what a CEO of a Record label would say… Everyone knows Pete Rock made this beat a classic with CL-Smooth, but now you want to act like he does not own it because he doesnt have the right legal documents. Please GTFO Lupe.
WORD !!!
AMEN!
Respect
BITCHES
That line was taken out of context don’t believe in every article you read….. If you listened to the interview Lupe’s team reached out to Pete first and they got the blessing of Pete to sing on the track however Pete never knew or heard the beat was actually recreated (also known as interpolation in music industry) so that they could gain clearance. So get your facts s8 Andre
You guys are lame… No wonder a nigga will either be a athlete or entertainer…. Cuz if not u people get stuck on lame shit like this like if your life depended on it…. SMH!!
your comments make no sense…i see why you would be a lupe fan
Don’t make sense to you?? I see why your not a Lupe fan. Keep reading your picture books…
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This is my reaction when i read holden c`s response
lol We stay based!!!
this is where you can put your reaction
Lupe is one of the best to ever do it so who cares. If Pete doesn’t even own rights to the song than he should just STFU.
As for people bitching about hiphop… you all can blame the radio, the rappers, and the social media sites all you want but stop and take a look at the fans first. That track that Lupe put out is FIRE and it’s the TRUTH it emulates hip-hop to the fullest and you guys are jumping ship over a sampling issue!? Did any of you make money off of TROY?? I don’t think so. Do any of you know Pete Rock personally? I don’t think so.
Yes,Lupe is SUPER ill and the song wasn’t bad at all but that is totally besides the point. You are taking part in a time honored craft, you have to abide by the basic principles of that craft. Just because you incredibly gifted in the craft doesn’t grant you the right to bypass these principles.
Why lupe always saying “he from the streets” when Master Ace called him a clown all i heard was crickets?!!!
I know its hard for some of you to see the forest for the trees, but maybe he didn’t want to get involved in anything that laboring other than being a grown man involved in some dumb ass beef? If he did you would say “Lupe talk all this peace shit and he getting it in with niggas!”
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Lupe has a way better version of this song!!! How many song do u niggas really need about dead homies and all that usual shit? And if its about respect of the artist?? THE ORIGINAL IS WHACK!!
Now if someone re-made a waka flocka song but was deeper you niggas would feel that shit, and not give a fuck about waka’s bitchin!!!
That’s my opinion anyway and that’s all you arguing about.. OPINION…. Like females………
Honky typing in Caps Lock
still smh….
this dude is a fantastic d rder
And your a fantastic BITCH
LMAO!!! are you comparing waka to Pete Rock and CL Smooth?!?! you are a mindless ass wipe with such lack of experience as a hip hop fan it is almoooooost funny.
waka…HA!!! that dude belongs on sesame street
If you where able to comprehend a bit better you would understand my statement. Matter of fact if you where able to comprehend better you would stop bitching about Lu and become a fan. And actually matter of fact if your comprehension skills got WAAAAAAAY up you would realize it’s to late and would proceed to kill yourself.
lmao!! #BODIED
LMAO!!!!
1. lurn how ta spelll if your gunna tri end drop naledge
2. I am not a zombie that takes political lead from an uneducated, short sighted, scrwany lil boy from chicago so I will never be a fan of fruit lupe
3. your 2 bit drawing homage to your mentor is really really really pathetic, get off his
Golden holden cuz he takes golden showers.. FAGGOT!
lupe needs to get his face broken.
TROY should have never been remixed. bottom line.
its a classic and an emotional heartfelt tribute to a fallen founder.
luope has proven that he truly is nothing more than an egocentric, MTV obsessed, skate boarding p-diddy. he claims to be SO real and so dedicated to hip hop yet it is clear and undisputable that he is in it for the pay off and NOTHING else
i hope he falls off his skateboard and breaks his neck
Your a fucken lame
hahah
@ DAMN…double up
D’zzzzz nutssss!!
First off say peace to Pine Ridge
Shame at all the damage the white man wine did
Ghost dance, Trail of Tears, 5 million beers a year
And all that other crime did
More peace to the teachers of blind kids
To rebels in small cells keeping their mind big
Say everything’s hostile
Suicide bombers and prosperity gospels, emaciated models
With cocaine and blood pouring out their nostrils, they got to
Just to stay awake on the catwalk of life where everybody watch you
Straight hair, high heels and a handbag
Crucifixes, racism and a land grab
Katrina, FEMA trailers, human body sandbags
A peace sign and a pants sag
A money toss cause a 9 stripper mad dash
A friend request following a hash tag
Now everybody want it like a last laugh
A Michael Jackson jacket or a daft mask
Purple Jordans or the mixed girl in your math class
Stable is when the Ba’ath had Baghdad
But corporate jets really had to have that gas bad
War and they hope they all fall from the ratatat
Cause that’s just more dinosaur for the Cadillac
[Hook]
Live from the other side what you see
A bunch of nonsense on my TV
Heaven on Earth is what I need
But I feel I’m in Hell every time I breathe
Reporting live from the other side what you hear
A bunch of nonsense all in my ear
Rich man, poor man, we all gotta pay
Cause freedom ain’t free, especially ’round my way
[Verse 2]
And we marvel at the state of Ottoman
Then turn around and treat Ghana like a garbage can
America’s a big motherfuckin’ garbageman
If you ain’t know, you’re part and parcel of the problem
You say no you ain’t, and I say yes you is
Soon as you find out what planned obsolescence is
You say no they didn’t, and I say yes they did
The definition of unnecessary-ness manifested
Say that we should protest just to get arrested
That goes against all my hustling ethics
A bunch of jail niggas say its highly ineffective
Depart from Martin, connect on Malcolm X tip
Insert Baldwin to similar the separate
To me, the truth is more fulfilling than a meth hit
Or finding really fast internet to have some sex with
It’s all one song short of a set list
Couple croissants shy of a continental breakfast
Or blowing out your birthday candles just to make a death wish
So absurd, word to Chief Bone Necklace
Down at the Lakota Sioux Casino
A whole culture boiled down to giving you pokeno
I go as left as a heart in the chest
Cause the Horn of Africa is now starving to death
[Hook]
[Verse 3]
An all white Los Angeles, the dream of Mr. Chandler
Hope and pray they take Columbus day up off the calendar
South Central an example of God’s gifts
So shout to all the mothers raising babies in SPA 6
The projects of Oakland city, Detroit ghost towns
Monopolies on poverty where D-boy coke bound
Its parts of Manila like the video for “Thriller”
But the US Embassy is reminiscent of a villa
If poverty is chocolate and privilege vanilla
Then whats the flavor of the Sunday preachers pedophilia
Cash rules everything around these niggas
As classrooms everywhere around me wither
Hither you can be Mr. Burns or Mr. Smithers
The tyrant or the slave but nowhere in the middle
Of the extremes of Americas dream
Freud fighting Neo, Freddy Krueger refereeing, now
Uh! (I reminisce, I reminisce)
Yeah (I reminisce, I reminisce)
(I reminisce, I reminisce)
(I reminisce, I reminisce)
[CL]
I reminisce for a spell, or shall I say think back
22 years ago to keep it on track
The birth of a child on the 8th of October
A toast but my granddaddy came sober
Countin all the fingers and the toes
Now I suppose, you hope the little black boy grows, huh
18 years younger than my mama
But I really got beatings cause the girl loved drama
In single parenthood there I stood
By the time she was 21, had another one
This one’s a girl, let’s name her Pam
Same father as the first but you don’t give a damn
Irresponsible, plain not thinking
Papa said chill but the brother keep winking
Still he won’t down you or tear out your hide
On your side while the baby maker slide
But mama got wise to the game
The youngest of five kids, hon here it is
After 10 years without no spouse
Momma’s gettin married in the house
Listen, positive over negative for the women and master
Mother Queen’s risin a chapter
Deja vu, tell you what I’m gonna do
When they reminisce over you, my God
[Pete Rock]
My God
It’s so…
Yeah, so lovely
That’s how we like to do it in the 90’s
Pete Rock & CL Smooth comin’ atcha…
[CL]
When I date back I recall a man off the family tree
My right hand Poppa Doc I see
Took me from a boy to a man so I always had a father
When my biological didn’t bother
Taking care of this so who am I to bicker
Not a bad ticker but I’m clocking pop’s liver
But you can never say that his life is through
5 kids at 21 believe he got a right too
Here we go while I check the scene
With the Portugese lover at the age of 14
The same age, front page, no fuss
But I bet you all your dough, they live longer than us
Never been senile, that’s where you’re wrong
But give the man a taste and he’s gone
Noddin off, sleep to a jazz tune
I can hear his head banging on the wall in the next room
I get the pillow and hope I don’t wake him
For this man do cuss, hear it all in verbatim
Telling me how to raise my boy unless he’s taking over
I said pop maybe when you’re older
We laughed all night about the hookers at the party
My old man standing yelling good God, almighty
Use your condom, take sips of the brew
When they reminisce over you, for real
[Pete Rock]
For real, baby
Like that
We for real
Comin’ atcha…
In ’92
Pete Rock & CL Smooth
Yeah, c’mon, hit me!
[CL Smooth]
I reminisce so you never forget this
The days of wayback, so many bear witness the fitness
Take the first letter out of each word in this joint
Listen close as I prove my point
T to the R-uh-O-Y, how did you and I meet?
In front of Big Lou’s, fighting in the street
But only you saw what took many time to see
I dedicate this to you for believing in me
Rain or shine, yes in any weather
My grandma’m Pam holds the family together
My Uncle Doc’s the greatest better yet the latest
If we’re talking about a car, Uncle Sterling got the latest
I strive to be live ’cause I got no choice
And run my own business like my Aunt Joyce
It’s Pete Rock, hit me, nuff respect due
When they reminisce over you, listen
[Pete Rock]
Listen, just listen
To the funky song as I rock on
And that’s word is bond
I’m not playin
Everybody, just coolin
This song we dedicate
To the one and only
Never be another
he was my brother
Trouble T-Roy
It’s like that y’all
And you don’t stop
Pete Rock and CL Smooth of ’92
And we out, late
Well, the Lupe version is the typical idealistic ramblings of the uninformed youth (and don’t call me ‘old head’, I’m 17) trying to impart wisdom on topics it can’t possibly understand, with an unoriginal flow and no cohesive story.
The original is an inventive coming-of-age story set in the glory days of hip-hop, following the harrowing tale of a young black boy’s journey into manhood with the help of his family and surroundings. An “simplistic” unimitatable flow paints a vivid picture of the struggles and joys of life, all as a send-off to a lifelong friend.
Yeah, Lupe’s is definitely better.
Lupe is far from typical. You on the other hand are just a simple bitch…
Im on Pete Rock’s side
Your on pete rocks dick side
@ analmouth anonymous whatvr>>>>apparently you are riding lupe’s puss lips pretty hard lil man
And you cant seem to get off my DICK big boy…
Around my way > T.R.O.Y.
you’re retarded
your a troll
lupe the goat
By those physics, that must mean
Just Lose It > The World Is Yours
Soulja Boy > Rakim
Taylor Hicks > Otis Redding
Scary Movie 3 > The Godfather
Based Movement > Transcendentalism
And by your physics…. your a faggot!!
We just out here trying to function …
FUCK THE BAY!!
FUCK THE BAY!
“You know why Lupe Fiasco and his team made this move? Its not because hes paying homage to Pete Rock or any of that garbage. If he was, he would have spoken to Pete Rock about it like a man and he would be accepting responsibility for it right now instead of passing the buck to his team. He made this move because he knew there would be a reaction in the hip hop community among certain fans, its publicity for his next album”
http://bassandformat.com/pete-rock-right-mad-lupe-fiasco-redoing-troy/
The funny part is you aint even got to go through Pete Rock to clear cause he dont even own it
Are you fucking kidding me with this? That’s it, I have officially lost all respect for Lupe. His arrogance knows no bounds. He obviously doesn’t give a shit about the greats that came before him to say some shit like that in full confidence. First he did it with Tribe, now this? Listen asshole, if you really wanted to pay homage you should have talked to Pete personally like a MAN. Sure, the song doesn’t legally belong to him but as a participant in this artform, it’s common sense and decency to phone up a legend to ask for the permission to recreate the beat that he worked so hard to make. Are you seriously just hiding behind your lawyers like a pussy faggot and letting them do the work for you as you sit back and draw money from a classic? Is that the kind of man you are? This fool is a clown posing as a conscious rapper.
Fuck Lupe, fuck LASERS, fuck F&L 2.
SHUT YOUR BITCH ASS UP!
@ANNOYMOUS WORD THAT LINE SEALED THE DEAL WHAT A FOOL LOST ALL RESPECT WITH THAT BULLSHIT.
Forreal Fuck Lupe!
First off say peace to Pine Ridge
Shame at all the damage the white man wine did
Ghost dance, Trail of Tears, 5 million beers a year
And all that other crime did
More peace to the teachers of blind kids
To rebels in small cells keeping their mind big
Say everything’s hostile
Suicide bombers and prosperity gospels, emaciated models
With cocaine and blood pouring out their nostrils, they got to
Just to stay awake on the catwalk of life where everybody watch you
Straight hair, high heels and a handbag
Crucifixes, racism and a land grab
Katrina, FEMA trailers, human body sandbags
A peace sign and a pants sag
A money toss cause a 9 stripper mad dash
A friend request following a hash tag
Now everybody want it like a last laugh
A Michael Jackson jacket or a daft mask
Purple Jordans or the mixed girl in your math class
Stable is when the Ba’ath had Baghdad
But corporate jets really had to have that gas bad
War and they hope they all fall from the ratatat
Cause that’s just more dinosaur for the Cadillac
[Hook]
Live from the other side what you see
A bunch of nonsense on my TV
Heaven on Earth is what I need
But I feel I’m in Hell every time I breathe
Reporting live from the other side what you hear
A bunch of nonsense all in my ear
Rich man, poor man, we all gotta pay
Cause freedom ain’t free, especially ’round my way
[Verse 2]
And we marvel at the state of Ottoman
Then turn around and treat Ghana like a garbage can
America’s a big motherfuckin’ garbageman
If you ain’t know, you’re part and parcel of the problem
You say no you ain’t, and I say yes you is
Soon as you find out what planned obsolescence is
You say no they didn’t, and I say yes they did
The definition of unnecessary-ness manifested
Say that we should protest just to get arrested
That goes against all my hustling ethics
A bunch of jail niggas say its highly ineffective
Depart from Martin, connect on Malcolm X tip
Insert Baldwin to similar the separate
To me, the truth is more fulfilling than a meth hit
Or finding really fast internet to have some sex with
It’s all one song short of a set list
Couple croissants shy of a continental breakfast
Or blowing out your birthday candles just to make a death wish
So absurd, word to Chief Bone Necklace
Down at the Lakota Sioux Casino
A whole culture boiled down to giving you pokeno
I go as left as a heart in the chest
Cause the Horn of Africa is now starving to death
[Hook]
[Verse 3]
An all white Los Angeles, the dream of Mr. Chandler
Hope and pray they take Columbus day up off the calendar
South Central an example of God’s gifts
So shout to all the mothers raising babies in SPA 6
The projects of Oakland city, Detroit ghost towns
Monopolies on poverty where D-boy coke bound
Its parts of Manila like the video for “Thriller”
But the US Embassy is reminiscent of a villa
If poverty is chocolate and privilege vanilla
Then whats the flavor of the Sunday preachers pedophilia
Cash rules everything around these niggas
As classrooms everywhere around me wither
Hither you can be Mr. Burns or Mr. Smithers
The tyrant or the slave but nowhere in the middle
Of the extremes of Americas dream
Freud fighting Neo, Freddy Krueger refereeing, now!!
Did you listen to what Lupe even said? Lu’s team went to Pete ORIGINALLY that is when they were informed that he couldn’t give them the rights to the beat. Pete gave them the OK to make the song. Listen the interview before spreading around ignorance.
These old school “niggas” dont care….
They just live to reminisce and diss…
DAMN!
Lupe’s a fucker
Cuz he fucks your dumb mind huh?
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I`ll Admit I didnt know the original TROY until this debate
Now that thats out the way let me get started, from what Ive gathered this is what I can make out:
Pete Rock is mad cause Lupe`s producer remade a terrible version of a song that was so close to his heart.
Lupe is mad cause he feels his team went through the right channels and got Pete`s blessing
Lupe Fans are defending Lupe coz they feel Pete Rock is claiming song that aint original his
Pete Rock fans are defending Pete Rock cause that TROY is a hip hop classic and should not be touched.
In a way both parties have point, but scrolling up and down this comment it seems everyone is overreacting.
Ya`ll need to calm the heck down, you guys act like you know these people personally. So relax im sure this issue will be resolved (Again), in the meantime enjoy both versions and stop with childish hate and negativity
WHOOP SWAG!!!
First off say peace to Pine Ridge
Shame at all the damage the white man wine did
Ghost dance, Trail of Tears, 5 million beers a year
And all that other crime did
More peace to the teachers of blind kids
To rebels in small cells keeping their mind big
Say everything’s hostile
Suicide bombers and prosperity gospels, emaciated models
With cocaine and blood pouring out their nostrils, they got to
Just to stay awake on the catwalk of life where everybody watch you
Straight hair, high heels and a handbag
Crucifixes, racism and a land grab
Katrina, FEMA trailers, human body sandbags
A peace sign and a pants sag
A money toss cause a 9 stripper mad dash
A friend request following a hash tag
Now everybody want it like a last laugh
A Michael Jackson jacket or a daft mask
Purple Jordans or the mixed girl in your math class
Stable is when the Ba’ath had Baghdad
But corporate jets really had to have that gas bad
War and they hope they all fall from the ratatat
Cause that’s just more dinosaur for the Cadillac
[Hook]
Live from the other side what you see
A bunch of nonsense on my TV
Heaven on Earth is what I need
But I feel I’m in Hell every time I breathe
Reporting live from the other side what you hear
A bunch of nonsense all in my ear
Rich man, poor man, we all gotta pay
Cause freedom ain’t free, especially ’round my way
[Verse 2]
And we marvel at the state of Ottoman
Then turn around and treat Ghana like a garbage can
America’s a big motherfuckin’ garbageman
If you ain’t know, you’re part and parcel of the problem
You say no you ain’t, and I say yes you is
Soon as you find out what planned obsolescence is
You say no they didn’t, and I say yes they did
The definition of unnecessary-ness manifested
Say that we should protest just to get arrested
That goes against all my hustling ethics
A bunch of jail niggas say its highly ineffective
Depart from Martin, connect on Malcolm X tip
Insert Baldwin to similar the separate
To me, the truth is more fulfilling than a meth hit
Or finding really fast internet to have some sex with
It’s all one song short of a set list
Couple croissants shy of a continental breakfast
Or blowing out your birthday candles just to make a death wish
So absurd, word to Chief Bone Necklace
Down at the Lakota Sioux Casino
A whole culture boiled down to giving you pokeno
I go as left as a heart in the chest
Cause the Horn of Africa is now starving to death
[Hook]
[Verse 3]
An all white Los Angeles, the dream of Mr. Chandler
Hope and pray they take Columbus day up off the calendar
South Central an example of God’s gifts
So shout to all the mothers raising babies in SPA 6
The projects of Oakland city, Detroit ghost towns
Monopolies on poverty where D-boy coke bound
Its parts of Manila like the video for “Thriller”
But the US Embassy is reminiscent of a villa
If poverty is chocolate and privilege vanilla
Then whats the flavor of the Sunday preachers pedophilia
Cash rules everything around these niggas
As classrooms everywhere around me wither
Hither you can be Mr. Burns or Mr. Smithers
The tyrant or the slave but nowhere in the middle
Of the extremes of Americas dream
Freud fighting Neo, Freddy Krueger refereeing, now!
thank you based god! please fuck my bitch!
Lupe’s version is more mentally healthy then original…. There is enough songs about pain and anguish… But what about the message Lupe is sending? Anyway
T.R.O.Y. For the cry babies…
Around my way (Freedom isn’t free) For the Revolutionaries!!
Lol @ calling calling lupe fans revolutionaries, they wouldn’t even be able to spell the word in a spelling bee…..
And that’s the best you got?! A vocab diss?? You are not and will never revolutionary….
“Beat biter! Dope style taker!
Tell you to your face you ain’t nuttin but a faker!”
First off say peace to Pine Ridge
Shame at all the damage the white man wine did
Ghost dance, Trail of Tears, 5 million beers a year
And all that other crime did
More peace to the teachers of blind kids
To rebels in small cells keeping their mind big
Say everything’s hostile
Suicide bombers and prosperity gospels, emaciated models
With cocaine and blood pouring out their nostrils, they got to
Just to stay awake on the catwalk of life where everybody watch you
Straight hair, high heels and a handbag
Crucifixes, racism and a land grab
Katrina, FEMA trailers, human body sandbags
A peace sign and a pants sag
A money toss cause a 9 stripper mad dash
A friend request following a hash tag
Now everybody want it like a last laugh
A Michael Jackson jacket or a daft mask
Purple Jordans or the mixed girl in your math class
Stable is when the Ba’ath had Baghdad
But corporate jets really had to have that gas bad
War and they hope they all fall from the ratatat
Cause that’s just more dinosaur for the Cadillac
[Hook]
Live from the other side what you see
A bunch of nonsense on my TV
Heaven on Earth is what I need
But I feel I’m in Hell every time I breathe
Reporting live from the other side what you hear
A bunch of nonsense all in my ear
Rich man, poor man, we all gotta pay
Cause freedom ain’t free, especially ’round my way
[Verse 2]
And we marvel at the state of Ottoman
Then turn around and treat Ghana like a garbage can
America’s a big motherfuckin’ garbageman
If you ain’t know, you’re part and parcel of the problem
You say no you ain’t, and I say yes you is
Soon as you find out what planned obsolescence is
You say no they didn’t, and I say yes they did
The definition of unnecessary-ness manifested
Say that we should protest just to get arrested
That goes against all my hustling ethics
A bunch of jail niggas say its highly ineffective
Depart from Martin, connect on Malcolm X tip
Insert Baldwin to similar the separate
To me, the truth is more fulfilling than a meth hit
Or finding really fast internet to have some sex with
It’s all one song short of a set list
Couple croissants shy of a continental breakfast
Or blowing out your birthday candles just to make a death wish
So absurd, word to Chief Bone Necklace
Down at the Lakota Sioux Casino
A whole culture boiled down to giving you pokeno
I go as left as a heart in the chest
Cause the Horn of Africa is now starving to death
[Hook]
[Verse 3]
An all white Los Angeles, the dream of Mr. Chandler
Hope and pray they take Columbus day up off the calendar
South Central an example of God’s gifts
So shout to all the mothers raising babies in SPA 6
The projects of Oakland city, Detroit ghost towns
Monopolies on poverty where D-boy coke bound
Its parts of Manila like the video for “Thriller”
But the US Embassy is reminiscent of a villa
If poverty is chocolate and privilege vanilla
Then whats the flavor of the Sunday preachers pedophilia
Cash rules everything around these niggas
As classrooms everywhere around me wither
Hither you can be Mr. Burns or Mr. Smithers
The tyrant or the slave but nowhere in the middle
Of the extremes of Americas dream
Freud fighting Neo, Freddy Krueger refereeing, now!!!!!
0/5 Weak shit
To say that is weak shit touts your ignorance. I bet your brain only connects the words to a rick Ross song.
Only REAL hip-hop heads know that T.R.O.Y. came from Tom Scott’s “Today”
and anybody thats heard of wikipedia
But i bet that how most of these so called “hiphop heads” get they on info huh? Such a shame…
Lupe is a fraud. The same type of guy that swears his love for hip hop, yet he doesn’t even know or rather care to know about the history of hip hop. That’s why his ass will NEVER blow up.
That shit was foul!
Fuck HipHop and fuck you to!!
Lupe admits that truth gets him high!.. And that’s what hiphop used to give!
So Lupe is more real the rock ever was if you come to think of it you LAME!
i didnt no never could actually happen. you idiot. how has he not blown up yet?
Another sensitive Lupe fan.
I called it for what it is because of his lack of respect for the culture of hip-hop and you try to play the Captain-Save-A-Lupe role.
I called it how I saw it.
You called it like bitch that likes the dick that gets pushed down to simple folks…
you still didnt tell me how he hasnt blown up. what did you see? what did you call? im not trying to “save” Lupe. im saying you are a dumb ass if you think he hasnt done anything. you need facts to back your theory. where the hell did you go to school?
Lupe the goat… and it hurts you
Lupe’s version is more mentally healthy then original…. There is enough songs about pain and anguish… But what about the message Lupe is sending? Anyway
T.R.O.Y. For the cry babies…
Around my way (Freedom isn’t free) For the Revolutionaries!
No. Just no.
Mentally healthy? quit trying to intelligent, the last book you read was called “Baby Names” and the kid wasnt yours.
Baby names for the kids im gonna have with your bitch and your mama….
You guys need to stop being ignorant and get off Pete’s dick.
WORD UP
First off say peace to Pine Ridge
Shame at all the damage the white man wine did
Ghost dance, Trail of Tears, 5 million beers a year
And all that other crime did
More peace to the teachers of blind kids
To rebels in small cells keeping their mind big
Say everything’s hostile
Suicide bombers and prosperity gospels, emaciated models
With cocaine and blood pouring out their nostrils, they got to
Just to stay awake on the catwalk of life where everybody watch you
Straight hair, high heels and a handbag
Crucifixes, racism and a land grab
Katrina, FEMA trailers, human body sandbags
A peace sign and a pants sag
A money toss cause a 9 stripper mad dash
A friend request following a hash tag
Now everybody want it like a last laugh
A Michael Jackson jacket or a daft mask
Purple Jordans or the mixed girl in your math class
Stable is when the Ba’ath had Baghdad
But corporate jets really had to have that gas bad
War and they hope they all fall from the ratatat
Cause that’s just more dinosaur for the Cadillac
[Hook]
Live from the other side what you see
A bunch of nonsense on my TV
Heaven on Earth is what I need
But I feel I’m in Hell every time I breathe
Reporting live from the other side what you hear
A bunch of nonsense all in my ear
Rich man, poor man, we all gotta pay
Cause freedom ain’t free, especially ’round my way
[Verse 2]
And we marvel at the state of Ottoman
Then turn around and treat Ghana like a garbage can
America’s a big motherfuckin’ garbageman
If you ain’t know, you’re part and parcel of the problem
You say no you ain’t, and I say yes you is
Soon as you find out what planned obsolescence is
You say no they didn’t, and I say yes they did
The definition of unnecessary-ness manifested
Say that we should protest just to get arrested
That goes against all my hustling ethics
A bunch of jail niggas say its highly ineffective
Depart from Martin, connect on Malcolm X tip
Insert Baldwin to similar the separate
To me, the truth is more fulfilling than a meth hit
Or finding really fast internet to have some sex with
It’s all one song short of a set list
Couple croissants shy of a continental breakfast
Or blowing out your birthday candles just to make a death wish
So absurd, word to Chief Bone Necklace
Down at the Lakota Sioux Casino
A whole culture boiled down to giving you pokeno
I go as left as a heart in the chest
Cause the Horn of Africa is now starving to death
[Hook]
[Verse 3]
An all white Los Angeles, the dream of Mr. Chandler
Hope and pray they take Columbus day up off the calendar
South Central an example of God’s gifts
So shout to all the mothers raising babies in SPA 6
The projects of Oakland city, Detroit ghost towns
Monopolies on poverty where D-boy coke bound
Its parts of Manila like the video for “Thriller”
But the US Embassy is reminiscent of a villa
If poverty is chocolate and privilege vanilla
Then whats the flavor of the Sunday preachers pedophilia
Cash rules everything around these niggas
As classrooms everywhere around me wither
Hither you can be Mr. Burns or Mr. Smithers
The tyrant or the slave but nowhere in the middle
Of the extremes of Americas dream
Freud fighting Neo, Freddy Krueger refereeing, now!!!!!!
0/5 Certified Garbage
And u understand none of it. You are the weakest link.
REALLY, and I mean REALLY try to find a decipherable message in ANY one of these lines. They have no stand-alone meaning, just buzz words linked together to sound nice.
Your an idiot
Wow arbys a fucking idiot… What are you even doing on this site
Lupe and his team didnt get pete’s blessing at all, he said he didnt had to go through pete to get it cleared. So legally lupe and his crew were n their rights, but morally they still shouldve contacted pete to get his blessing and they didnt do that. Thats why pete’s mad and i dont blame him. Lupe is a bitch for getting mad at this
Real talk. Kids need to get of lupe’s dick, he was wrong and inadvertently admitted going behind petes back 6 months ago to get it sorted legally. He has no standing
in hip hop and that’s why his fans are mad at a legend. They did the same with Masta Ace but hip hop fans let it slide, this time let these internet pussies come out and say something, they will get put in their place.
so what? go cry about it bitches..
This post here explains everything about why pete rock has the right to be mad:
http://bassandformat.com/pete-rock-right-mad-lupe-fiasco-redoing-troy/
Thw whole revolutionary comment was hilarious. There is a reason this song was never touched until this estrogeneration fraud molested it. Its classic. I used to think Lupe had a little bit of promise but if u cant spit better than pete rock like 20 years after the fact, u are garbage. But i guess the new generation of fans dont really have anyone with any skill or substance to look up to, or compare to. These new school fake mc’s need to have their music filed in the pop section. I guess by mc they mean “merchant of cuddles” because these fags are baby shit soft. I mean these children support Lil Wang! The dude kisses other dudes in the mouth and does songs with Miley Cyrus!! These kids made Flo Rida some money! The Estrogeneration has ruined everything that Rap and Hip Hop stood for. Rap Hip Hop is fucking dead. Tight jeans and xtra medium polos, tight jeans are for girls u posers! you fags are nothing more than hipsters! Posers! Phonys! U listen to Wack Miller!If u only knew how ignorant you people sound talking bout swag. Jersey Shore watchin stans with drake on your ipods. Hipsters! Talentless, no identity having, phonies.
TRUTH
pete rock didnt spit on the track! wtf are you talking about ??
True but If you pick up mecca and the soul brother or the main ingredient, pete rock raps, and he raps better than lupe. Funny shit to be honest.
yeah and Pete Rock did some ab-libs on the song, which was still sicker than lupe’s verses
Lol @ Pete Rock being a better rapper than Lupe. Have you actually tried listening to the lyrics?
Sean, listen to escape from the main ingredient.
@GottiAdolfHitler what a moron….
Little Brother – The Listening = Homage to T.R.O.Y.
Lupe Fiasco and Dickriding Stans = Fail
Fucken puppet you are!
Puppet? I’m not the one dickriding, I’m simply showing you how homage is paid!
This dudes clothes are too tight to be takin seriously
fuck pete rock i said it
HEEELL Y EEEZZZ MY NIKKKAS
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lmao hip hop fans are the stupidest fucking illiterate faggots on the planet, fighting like hoes in high school, this is why noone respects any of you or the music. great song by the way, hopefully Lupe and Pete settle differences soon so all you fighting ass bitches can take your tampons out. peace
“Illiterate” huh? is that why all these fans are reading articles regarding Lupe. I swear dude, in an effort to try and sound “smart” and “proper” you mad yourself look like a straight dumbass.
To be honest there is alot of ignorance in the comment section here. Most people seem to be either dickriding Pete Rock or Lupe, and disrespecting the other. Y’all need to take a step back and realize that both are two of the most talented hip-hop artists who have produced classic records, anybody who can’t admit this is clearly biased. I hope they eventually settle their differences for good and make that collaboration happen.
And you seem to be BITCH
yo he has no reason to be angry. straight up you didn’t make it. if he’s cheesed you don’t have a right to be angry back.
And you like your comment have the right to be irrelevant …
First off say peace to Pine Ridge
Shame at all the damage the white man wine did
Ghost dance, Trail of Tears, 5 million beers a year
And all that other crime did
More peace to the teachers of blind kids
To rebels in small cells keeping their mind big
Say everything’s hostile
Suicide bombers and prosperity gospels, emaciated models
With cocaine and blood pouring out their nostrils, they got to
Just to stay awake on the catwalk of life where everybody watch you
Straight hair, high heels and a handbag
Crucifixes, racism and a land grab
Katrina, FEMA trailers, human body sandbags
A peace sign and a pants sag
A money toss cause a 9 stripper mad dash
A friend request following a hash tag
Now everybody want it like a last laugh
A Michael Jackson jacket or a daft mask
Purple Jordans or the mixed girl in your math class
Stable is when the Ba’ath had Baghdad
But corporate jets really had to have that gas bad
War and they hope they all fall from the ratatat
Cause that’s just more dinosaur for the Cadillac
[Hook]
Live from the other side what you see
A bunch of nonsense on my TV
Heaven on Earth is what I need
But I feel I’m in Hell every time I breathe
Reporting live from the other side what you hear
A bunch of nonsense all in my ear
Rich man, poor man, we all gotta pay
Cause freedom ain’t free, especially ’round my way
[Verse 2]
And we marvel at the state of Ottoman
Then turn around and treat Ghana like a garbage can
America’s a big motherfuckin’ garbageman
If you ain’t know, you’re part and parcel of the problem
You say no you ain’t, and I say yes you is
Soon as you find out what planned obsolescence is
You say no they didn’t, and I say yes they did
The definition of unnecessary-ness manifested
Say that we should protest just to get arrested
That goes against all my hustling ethics
A bunch of jail niggas say its highly ineffective
Depart from Martin, connect on Malcolm X tip
Insert Baldwin to similar the separate
To me, the truth is more fulfilling than a meth hit
Or finding really fast internet to have some sex with
It’s all one song short of a set list
Couple croissants shy of a continental breakfast
Or blowing out your birthday candles just to make a death wish
So absurd, word to Chief Bone Necklace
Down at the Lakota Sioux Casino
A whole culture boiled down to giving you pokeno
I go as left as a heart in the chest
Cause the Horn of Africa is now starving to death
[Hook]
[Verse 3]
An all white Los Angeles, the dream of Mr. Chandler
Hope and pray they take Columbus day up off the calendar
South Central an example of God’s gifts
So shout to all the mothers raising babies in SPA 6
The projects of Oakland city, Detroit ghost towns
Monopolies on poverty where D-boy coke bound
Its parts of Manila like the video for “Thriller”
But the US Embassy is reminiscent of a villa
If poverty is chocolate and privilege vanilla
Then whats the flavor of the Sunday preachers pedophilia
Cash rules everything around these niggas
As classrooms everywhere around me wither
Hither you can be Mr. Burns or Mr. Smithers
The tyrant or the slave but nowhere in the middle
Of the extremes of Americas dream
Freud fighting Neo, Freddy Krueger refereeing, now!!!!!!!
0/5 Lupe’s goldfish ghostwrote this.
pete seemed pretty chill the whole time except for the twitter outburst: http://dannyswain.tumblr.com/post/23557021586/choppin-it-up-with-pete-rock-who-weighs-in-on
Please young artist understand you can not touch a classic Hip-Hop song such as T.R.O.Y. because you weren’t around to have the full appreciation of it! What the ‘F’ was he thinking even approaching Pete Rock about it! You thought that man was going stamp this crap! Son, when that song comes on, people cry! You understand! You tried to change a Bible verse kid! MY GOD!
honestly….. why the hell are we fighting about this? lupe made a song remixed by an incredible classic and he wanted to pay homage to the track. i don’t think he made the song JUST for publicity or things of that nature.
yes he was wrong for not getting a heartfelt confirmation by pete rock, but its over and done with. lupe is a fine lyricist and metaphorical rapper.
the song was personal and touching, but there’s many renditions of the song from jazz and and hip hop if you actually dig deep and search, so why is he the only one getting the heat?
what’s done is done and yelling about who’s right or wrong isn’t going to pull the track. if you don’t enjoy it then that’s fine. i love both cl smooth, pete rock, and lupe. both tracks have a different meaning. he didn’t take any references to the lyrics of the original. fighting about this isn’t going to do anything..