JAY-Z has an impressive track record, yet Eminem outdoing him on his own record seems to follow him even years into his established legacy.
On Monday (September 11), the world mourned the tragic attacks that claimed thousands of innocent lives in New York City 22 years ago.
Hip Hop twitter, unsurprisingly, used that as an opportunity to drag JAY-Z, who released The Blueprint on the same day the Twin Towers collapsed. One of the album’s highlights, “Renegade,” features Em rapping round circles around Jigga, and this is something people clearly haven’t forgotten.
“It’s been 22 years since Jay- Z became a 9/11 victim!!” one person tweeted. “Eminem really did a 9/11 on a camel.”
Another user shared a clip of the pair performing the song together, writing: “Today in History: September 11, 2001 a Horribly tragedy took place in America that humanity will never forget or fully recover from. Jay Z Dropped his Most iconic album “The Blueprint” just for EMINEM to completely wash him on it.”
One fan even shared a clip highlighting Em’s remarkable rhyme scheme on the song, captioning it: “22 years ago today, Jay-z got destroyed by Eminem in his own song, Renegade.. Snoop dogg after this said ‘I’d never ever put Eminem on my album, I saw what he did to jay-z in renegade.'”
Just a few months back, Big Gipp claimed that Eminem made JAY-Z cooler, saying that Slim Shady was the better rapper on “Renegade.”
Gipp sat down for an interview with The Art Of Dialogue in late July, during which he said Em definitely had the better verse on the 2001 track and agreed with Nas, who argued the same on “Ether.”
“Hey man, Eminem,” Gipp said when asked who he believed had the better verse. “And I fuck with JAY-Z. JAY-Z one of the best, Top 5. Solo rappers, Top 5, but Eminem at that time was a fucking monster. He was eating everybody that stood next to him. What you’re gonna say, and what most people are gonna say is, ‘Well I identify more with what JAY-Z said because that’s my life and that’s where I came from and that’s my background.’”
He continued: “Okay, that’s right, but at the same time you gotta look at Eminem and say, ‘Yeah, but look at the kids that was looking up to him. That look like him and got his background. That takes him off into the middle of America, and a lot of places that we probably wasn’t at yet.
“So If you’re looking at the demographics, I’m sure that Eminem and JAY-Z, Eminem took JAY-Z to a whole lot of places and whole lot of households he ain’t ever been in just cause he was on the song with Eminem. So you gotta look at both sides of it.
“If you was to put the same light on Em, he’d really represent it, his community same as JAY represented his community at the time of them doing that record. But as far as influence? Shit, to me Em came out as being as great, or even a better rapper then Jay. Technically, on that record…I think he took JAY-Z into households JAY-Z wasn’t in at that time. He made JAY-Z cooler, no way JAY-Z made him cooler.”
They both killed renegade Jay had more substance in his verses em flowed was bananas thoe
Eminem killed him on his own shit
Shady got him on the track with some old ass verses.
It’s preference. Em was snapping but Jay had more substance. Jay 2nd verse was 100% inner city while Em was spitting angry white boy bars.
Jigga more than held his own on Renegade. It’s a false narrative.
Jay did Jay. Em did Em. But Ems style fitted way better on that joint. Beat wasnt a good fit for Jay. Still a classic though! Proof, whenever Blueprint is brought up Renagade is mentioned more than the other songs, including Takeover.
@B Facts
Em did steal the show on renegade but that’s because it was an exceptional pair of verses on a beat that he produced. Jay would have came out on top nine times out of ten on any day but this was that one day. Eminem killing it doesn’t mean that Jay didn’t. It was just another level.
Nah, I’d want to disagree. On that song, Jay actually sounded extremely fantastic. Besides, he was expressing something completely unrelated to what Eminem was saying.
Jay was poignant with his words on that record
So it’s all subjective–no, he didn’t get Jay on Renegade.
They were both talking about the same thing just jay was talking about how it is from his point of view and vice versa with em. Ems flow his delivery was just way better.
Bullshit. People who say it’s subjective are idiots. Rap has very observable metrics and measurables. The fact that your to stupid to catch on, is on you fucktard. Also, this is a Bad Meets Evil song. Jay had EMS verse the whole time. However, the lazy P.O.S. (racist too) thought, I’ll just wash this white boy easy. Ha, what a joke. A new verse against an old af Em verse and Em CLEARLY WON (unless your dumb and blind). Stop being racist and realize there are little things in this world called facts, there is one truth, and you’re definitely too blind to see it. Keep idiotic opinions to yourself dumbass.
Em had the better verses, but idk why you would think that anyone who disagrees is a racist. There is something called personal preference, and I have seen people of different races argue either side. Reducing every argument to race is just stupid.
@Wetaya Em was clearly better on Renegade. Anyone denying that is either too fragile to admit it or too ignorant to accept it. My guess is you’re both
Yeah, no. The better verse is entirely subjective; a matter of opinion. As is art in general. Good Lord, I hope you’re being sarcastic. If not, this is pitiful.
1. Who helped you write that? You come off as an illiterate dickass, and then dare to say that some people are fucktards?
2. How are you able to speak with, I guess, some upper echelon words and phrases, but get even the most basic use of words to be ass-up backward?
3. I hope you are not gunna be on here saying that Em is a racist, bc if you are then you were not just dropped on your head, but you might wanna reconsider wearing your helmet!
Em killed Royce & Jay on their own shit.
People keep saying Jay had more substance, must be following what other people is saying or just didn’t listen to Em..Jay was talking about his come up and hustling to make it..Em took the position on rapping about being an “influencer” and the media painting him as a bad guy to kids as a “role model” how is that not substance?
Eminem 🍌 Jay Z in his pigeon hole 🍑 on that one. Just ask Nas
the original version with Royce was much much better!!
People neglect it was Em’s and Royce’s record first. Em didn’t change the verse, gave it to Jay and Jay recorded his lines.
Never liked that track but The Blue Print is a classic and only twitter losers and Stans make this argument.
yeah, because your hero got beat up
Both murder the song if you really listen to it. Blueprint has Eminem as only feature. Takeover still hits hard even tho he lost that 1. All I Need. Intro. It’s Jay’s 2nd best album in reality Reasonable Doubt gives you Jay’s best work
Cap. He didn’t even wash him on the track. False Narrative.
That’s all cap buddy. Hov’s verse was spectacular. To each his own. Nonetheless, Hov’s verse aged way better than Em’s emo raps if you ask me.
Absolutely not lol
Here we go …another jay z situation…smh..I never seen 1 man get dis attention w/o being a internet guy…em verse was awesome..jay just rhymes and it is what it is…em is a up tempo rapper…and dats wht he did …same as da forever verse with wayne/ye/drake ..he told u…should I spit dis slow..fuck no..go for broke …j lives in hip hop heads rent free forever…jay z GOAT…LIKE HIM R NOT…LOL
Nas is the goat watch your mouth
They both got off on that track, shut up.
Coming from a jazz drumming background ,
I personally find jay-z’s verse way more complex rhyme scheme wise. Both are good, but em sounds like an angry adolescent, while jay sounds like a seasoned vet.