Even before Jay-Z and Kanye West announced plans to undertake a collaborative project, the notion always seemed like a realistic possibility considering their active past that dates back to 2000’s “This Can’t Be Life” off of The Dynasty: Roc La Familia. Each artist has evolved from that time in their respective careers, however their chemistry of creating music together has become a significant component within Hip Hop. Watch The Throne continues this tradition as the duo stake their claim for Rap supremacy.
Despite the slightly contemporary style early singles “H•A•M” 
and “Otis” depicted, the album-opening “No Church In The Wild” takes a sharp left as Frank Ocean’s voice emerges over haunting, pulsating synth and brooding drums. Asking, “What’s a king to a god? What’s a god to a non-believer”, Jay-Z and Kanye West lay out confessional rhymes, each pausing during their deliveries for added effect. “Murder To Excellence” also takes the experimental route as separate beats provided by Swizz Beatz and S1 chronicle two contrasting sides of the African American narrative.
With a title like Watch The Throne, hearing Hov and ‘Ye revel in their prosperity is a necessary avocation as the two trade bars about their wealth via “Gotta Have It,” while “Niggas In Paris” has them stuntin’ on a hundred thousand trillion. Add a cold Otis Redding Soul sample and neck-breaking drums to the aforementioned “Otis” and it’s evident that the two emcees have a knack for the braggadocio. In each instance, Jay-Z (“I’m planking on a million”) and Kanye (“I made ‘Jesus Walks’ I’m never goin’ to Hell / Couture-level flow it’s never going on sale”) provide quotable lines, although Kanye’s phrase “that shit cray” may be one that you can already expect to be overused this year.
In all its glory and jubilation production-wise, “Lift Off” feels hollow as Beyonce takes center stage with an otherwise forgettable chorus. Jay and Kanye follow suit with shortened, impassive verses. Similarly, “Welcome To The Jungle” lacks the type of execution and creativity found on the rest of the album with Swizz Beatz’ familiarly sharp, bouncing production falling to the wayside. Not much can be said about “That’s My Bitch,” other than that it sounded better as a My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy leftover than an add-on here.
The most compelling aspect of Watch The Throne, and it’s one that we’ve come to appreciate, is the lyrical dynamic between Jay-Z and Kanye West. Whereas Jay’s methodically complex rhymes over the flourishing double-time dubstep “Who Gon Stop Me” makes us hit rewind, Kanye’s lyrics exhibit an individual perpetually wearing his heart on his sleeve. His verse on “New Day” best exemplifies this, where in a self-reflective moment of clarity ‘Ye mulls over disheartening events in his life with hopes that his future son will learn from his mistakes.
Today’s Hip Hop scene has a rotating cast of notable stars, yet Watch The Throne simply wouldn’t have felt the same had it been two different rappers converging for something this monumental. Truth be told, each emcee has produced better solo material, but that doesn’t take away from the quality found on Watch The Throne, nor does it change the fact that crowns rest assuredly on their heads.
awful album
would it have killed these niggas to get at statik selektah, 9th wonder, or fucking premiere a few times?
WHO?
The masses arent interested, so they have no place for them.
Watch the Throne could and should have been better..so 4 stars
amazing album.
Amazing
Just…average.
lol not to sound racist, however i don’t expect for a lot of white people to bump this album. This is an album for us. best album out this summer.
no where near as good as expected
the fucked up thing is i didn’t have to click on here to know what you rated it since every album you rate on this fucking site is 4 stars…Y’all are fucking bunch a pansies too scared to give a real review just so you don’t upset the industries…Hiphopdx stays fraudulent
Amazing!
Muder to Excellence / Niggas in Paris are the best songs…pow
I’m done with HHDX. Im moving on to XXL or Allhiphop as my new site. This shit is embarrassing. Get Kanye’s gonads out of your ass kissing mouths.
lol xxl give the worst reviews in history they gave mmg and monumental the same rating
mmg & monumental are both 3/5 albums, they’re awful listens
asasasasasa
hype killed this project.
awesome album!
Still the best album out this year so far anyway..
Actually Saigon and Pharoahe Monch HAVE BETTER ALBUMS, and thats the truth, nothing wrong with being third for I suspect median and phonte from the justus league may have better albums too coming in the next month
Yall niggas is crazy. Dis is da muddaufcken join right here. I feel sorry for all yall hatin ass niggas.
‘”Watch The Throne” simply wouldn’t have felt the same had it been two different rappers converging for something this monumental.’
So you admit in your subtitle that you only liked it because it was Kanye and Jay LOL. The album is not good, man. Not from a HIP HOP perspective.
no,that just means that all the beat work,and the hype and the advertising if it were two other artist without the history and the personality would’ve been less entertaining.If Nike releases a retro and Kangaroo releases a retro,BECAUSE of the history and quality of Nike people who like shoes are more apt to give the Nike a chance.
album of the year
can’t wait to cop the vinyl! If you don’t like this, there must be something wrong with your listening capabilities.
instant classic
Definitely a great album and a watershed moment in hip hop. Face it hip hop is dying. Hip Hop needs to take it globally. Production is unbelievable. Lyrics could be better. 4 – 4.5 stars I think. Kanye West may become the greatest hip hop icon ever in a few years. Hell, he may become a great musical icon period. Agian excellent production. Lyrics could have been better I think. This album will grow on people in the long term it is better than you think and I don’t think there is anyone else in hip hop could pull this project off successfully i.e commercially and creatively
People claiming that this album isn’t “hip-hop” should kill themselves. listen to the album fuck boy.
C’mon son really? Yall got the user rating this low? Watch The Throne is a hit! I mean its not gonna sound like a Kanye album, or a Jay Z album. When there’s a project with two people your ideas and creativity gotta intersect between BOTH artist. The results are Watch The Throne. Especially coming from two commercial successful artist. It’s entertaining and they touch on real subjects also. Don’t expect it to be super duper lyrical with bars like God wrote them. But this is pure perfection. Album of the year!
The albums been out less than 48 hours and people all already saying instant classic?
yes bcuz it iz, bitch!
9th wonder is just mad he wasn’t invited to work on the project, lol
Hahaha probably. The album was fire to me!!! you know you doin it big when you haters increase
NOT A CLASSIC
only 4 decent tracks on the whole lp
no church in the wild
niggas in paris
otis
murder to excellence
the album gets 2/5 from me, i expected more, this album wasnt really fully hiphop, it was like…dance pop rap
red album
cole world
If you listen to the album it has something for everyone. The album accomplishes what it is suppose to, REACH MASSES. It gives something to all fans; songs for clubs, songs for people to “bumpâ€, songs with connotation and double entendres, songs addressing current events.
Not too mention the underlying meaning that they want to see other blacks succeed. They want their people to understand you need to drop your current mindset and maybe lose a few friends that won’t be willing to pursue success in order to be a successful black man.
“I tried to teach n***as how to be kings all they ever want to be is soldiersâ€
yeah nigga! i’m wit u!
YOU ARE DEAD ON….some niggas just don’t get it. Smh
what about teaching niggas to be men?
Remember, kings lose crowns, teachers stay intelligent…nigga.
5 stars
Not the best but it will definnitly be better than waynes album. I give this album XXX 1/2 Stars
This album wasn’t all that I’ve heard better. Kanye songs too much now
it a pretty sold album not better then Kanye’s last album but def better then what’s out right now and def worth buying. stop hatin and rate this album 4 stars.
I guess I’m 3 and 3/4 with it. I feel really let down that this album is more Swizz Beatz than it is Pete Rock. Fooled again.
Mediocre at best
just like u!
“nor does it change the fact that crowns rest assuredly on their heads” – palease, only about 5 tracks that are keepers on an album that claims to have the 2 best rappers in the game? fuk off, Lift Off is the biggest piece of hip pop shit ive ever heard. These two guys appeal to the masses, they do music for teenage girls and fist pumpers. If they just stick to hiphop then i wouldnt be such a hater, but i cant stand some of the shit they put out.
it iz hip hop moron. maybe not ur type of hip hop, but it’z still hip hop.
bitch please, which teenage girls fucking listen to jay-z and kanye? if u really new music you’d know that that is not the there market. its a good album, not a classic, but good. people like you want hiphop to have one sound, one generic beat. this album tries to push the boundries a bit. its not pandering to the masses because lets be honest none of the tracks is number one radio hit material. an example of a song that panders to the masses is bad meets evil – lighters (a trully terrible song)
Its hip POP, Mandy, fuk outta here with that gay Beyonce shit.
Awesome!!!!!!
DX finally on the money with a review, solid album………..nothing more or less 4/5 for me
people are expecting their rhymes to part the red sea. calm down, this is the best album of 2011.
Word
4/5.
Decent album 4/5, very experimental
No classic but also not a failure
Gotta check out the youtube album review!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX6RHRmP_k8
two months from now, this album will mean nothing.
maybe 2 u, but evry1 else will b listenin 2 it.
Thank you for the truth. People seem to forget about that.
I’m not at all hating.. I’m just not feeling this album. I like 3 songs at best. A album shouldn’t have to grow on me. I remember when certain albums gave me chills when i heard it the first time. I’m highly disapointed. I don’t mind when artist want to be more creative with their sound but this album was horrible in my opinion. Again no way am I hating but we need to ask ourselves are we listening with an impartial ear or are we just saying its dope because of who its by.
give this album time. i promise it will grow on you. i think the album is very dope. lyrics have their highs and lows but none of them are garbage. the production is top notch, substance is there, replay value is there. it deserves a 4 out of 5. this is way better than 95% of the stuff out there. they made a great album. watch how many trends they set with this one.
WTT is a classic! If you want to hear a collaboration of club music with ok lyrics talking about nothing then wait until Wayne & Drake’s album comes out. Then ya’ll will call that garbage a classic.
You are dealing with two of the best hip hop artist out, and have been around for some time constantly proving over and over again that yes they are the best.
This ablum has great lyrical skills, great music, and great content. This is a true collaboration of Jay and Ye, because they were able to push the best out of each other and take chances and I absolutely loved it.
People will always hate on them, but that hasn’t stopped them just fueled them
decent album was decent
Great but not classic. Maybe people were expecting too much.
Shit is fuckin ridiculous, definitely had to grow on me though after the first listen I was far from sold, I even wanted my money back. IMA shouldve been on the album too.
I think it deserves a 4.5 imo, but its still good nonetheless.
There was no way this album would live up to all the hype. However, it sure is damn good. I have to agree with the review when said “… each emcee has produced better solo material, but that doesn’t take away from the quality found on Watch The Throne.” Respectfully, being a big Kanye West & Jay-Z fan, I do prefer some of there solo albulms over this one. The creactivity these two have produced over the years have been on a class of there own.
yeah, i c u haterz! hahaha! diz album iz classic (yeah i said it) and 1 of da most epic of da past few yrz, along wit MBDTF. evry song iz diffrent but geniuz in there own way. u can’t go wrong! 5 starz all day!
RNGMB BITCH! NEXT UP COLE WORLD!
I feel… bad for you.
not a classic. there is no such thing as an instant classic. classics develop over time, age well that what makes them so. A very good album. also learn to spell properly because not doing so makes you seem like a complete idiot
Hov says he’s the Michael Jordan of rap and if that’s true then I’ll say he’s Jordan when he played for the Washington Wizards..Give it up Hov your tme has come and gone fam let some of these new rappers get some shine.We wont forgot you
I think hype ruined this album
Please everybody, listen to Hopsin, Tech N9ne , Crooked I and then say this is a classic. This looks like some fucking pile of shit when compared to the GOOD rappers.
Please everybody, If you heard Hopsin, Tech N9ne , Crooked I and then say this is a classic, you are weird. This looks like some fucking pile of shit when compared to the GOOD rappers.
Please everybody, If you heard Hopsin, Tech N9ne , Crooked I and then say this is a classic, you are weird. This looks like some fucking pile of shit when compared to the mentioned rappers.
Album sucks period.. They should of came harder.. The best of both worlds was better.
nigga please try again hatin ass nigga
2 starz
Its just poor, its like i feel compelled to pretend to like it , well no!! this is just bad sounding stuff, jay z and kanye are officially up there own ass’s to a point they cant even hear how awful this is , its not hating its just poor
You don’t know music…..Go listen to some waka flocka hating ass nigga
Only know one waka flocka flame track and thats hard in the paint, so know i wont go listen to that, ive been listening to section 80 alot, no waka though sorry, not hating either , you act like i dont want it to be something i can listen to ,,, i wouldnt even loot this album
wow…i really feel sorry for yall listening capabilities if yall only like 4 songs on this album..yall are stretchin..this album has everything an album in the new millenium should have..bangers and cohesiveness in thought..i cant even begin to speak on Bars..#DIRTYBACKERS stay losin with yall top lists filled with bullshit..most of u nigz only listen to eminem and yall think tht shit hot..but this is weak..yeh..fucouttahere..WATCH THE THRONE..southside of Chicago in the building
I dumb down for my audience and double my dollars
They criticize me for it yet they all yell, “Holla”
If skills sold, truth be told, I’d probably be lyrically Talib Kweli
Truthfully, I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
(But I did five Mil), I ain’t been rhyming like Common since
When your sense got that much in common
And you been hustling since your inception, fuck perception
Go with what makes sense since I know what I’m up against
We as rappers must decide what’s most important
And I can’t help the poor if I’m one of them
So I got rich and gave back to me that’s the win, win
If you want “HIPHOP” BUY a true lyricist album. Everyone at the end of the day has to pay their bills look at Lupes last album.
Cosign!!! People who complain on websites dont buy albums!! If u want a real lyricist, GO BUT THEIR ALBUMS so they dont have to dumb it down for the masses!
beats are hot but i feel this is the worse album either of them put out
5 strs
Dope album
5 stars
I wish it had more songs like The Joy and New Day.
that song is really from good friday mixtape
this album sucks so hard 1/5 …
And you your lil words said what??? tell us why? hating ass nigga
5 estrellas
yeah!
this album could have been so much more. it’s so muddled and confused, gotta give it a 1 star.
You are confused now go back to bumpin that pretty bitch music
Andre,
You might as well jump into the pool with the rest of the dumb downed masses of followers. This album is so brainless. .5 stars
STFU Rory, album of the year!!
F the haters!!!
Hov says he’s the Michael Jordan of rap and if that’s true then I’ll say he’s Jordan when he played for the Washington Wizards..Give it up Hov your tme has come and gone fam let some of these new rappers get some shine.We wont forget you
If it wasn’t for hov your fav new rapper wouldn’t be poppin…. And by the way jordan still avg 20+…… Stop hating nigga
Verses could’ve been better from both of them.
Production was fantastic as expected from ‘Ye.
Overall, still my favourite album of the year.
All you Jay-Z and Kanye West stans can suck my dick….This album is garbage.(2/5)
Everybody cop R.E.D Album Aug 23rd…What a dissapointment.
red? hahah crack stories and shooting 50 people on his block ill pass u must be 15
Watch the throne is fire!!! Hate if you want to but deep down you know its better than your favorite rappers new CD
shit isnt even comparable to Kendrick lamar’s 8.0
0/5 I have an announcement.I hate to say this Jay-Z is no longer on my list as 1 of the greatest.He went from top 10 to not mention at all LMAO
Just go out and say it…you a hater
sucks
Not good
i take that back..i love watchin clueless hiphop critics with no basis scramble for “opposing” opinions and have to back them up later after no one agrees with them..WATCH THE THRONE>>”THe night is young..what the fuc u wanna do”..how u explain callin an album with enough quotables to fill up a page..WEAK..hiphopisnotdyin..its creating stupid’ fans with no concept of goodMusic..they use to microwave production..and #dirtybackers who supposed to have the most advanced music knowledge are usually the ones who hold the culture back with there “this is how it supposed to be” ways..fucouttahere..and i came up in the 90’s..so spare me with your bullshit.yall didnt like Big and PAc either..but now they the greatest..yall and ppl like them are the real hiphop parasites goin around sayin “HIPHOPISDEAD”
Over-hyped and overrated.
It would be 4/5 if there were more track like Joy and New Day…
dope
They are geniuses at making pop records. There’s not that many acts that can appeal to the masses and please pop crowds, plus they still get love from many hip hop heads. It’s kind of dope to me that this album can have 15 year old white girls listening to messages about black excellence.
What about songs or messages for the black community? Or is that narrow minded in 2011?
Maybe its because nobody in the black community is plankin on a million, that hip-pop is the aim and Jay and Ye have no comment on our children having no without community leaders to show them how to be men ad women.
So you didnt hear “Murder to Excellence” or Made In America”??? If your gonna hate, at least have a valid point!
Exactly, Not that many black people are “planking on a million.” They’re saying that’s a problem. The whole album is like a call for niggas to step up.
i think that they are not targeting young kids with this album album but i have to listen to the whole thing im not going to judge it like most people are
The Pete Rock and RZA joints were the only ones with SOUL! The rest were on some rock/tink tink beats/pop soundin stuff. Needed better production!–> Just Blaze, 9th Wonder, Alchemist, DJ Premier, Nottz
the album was designed to be preformed for a Live crowd, with live instruments, not 9th wonder and his generic snare, fool talking shit while he sitting on cool edit pro and fruity loops
Like I said Richard aka I wish I were 9th Wonder , the album has NO SOUL!!!
Underlying theme is that Jay and Kanye want other blacks to succeed? Kanye and Jay are literally the 2 biggest haters the world has ever seen. Everything is all about them, meanwhile there are a list of rappers and producers that would destroy them. Why no other rappers on WTT? I hope Reakwon jumps on that PrimeTime. I will create greater tracks than them and will out spit them both, I’m one of the Olmert rappers that never wanted to get in the booth.
And this man gets it… Thank you.
That’s the ironic thing with this album and when people try to say that it has an amazing concept (it DOESN’T) is the fact that while gatdamn cats speak one thing…they totally preach and exercise the opposite. LOL!!! This nigga Jay has been the worst record exec we’ve seen…yet…people signed to him after the fact. Why? Cause he’s Jay. If this was supposed to be about other blacks to succeed, case in point… where’s a verse from J Cole (who’s overrated) and the big homie Jay Electronica (who’s probably realized he’s made the biggest mistake in life right now)?
Jay will speak that return to the hip hop roots and all this other ish that Biggie was about but when it’s all said and done, he’s more about record sales, generating revenues, and getting his name out there all at the expense of solid and true blue music and hip hop. Hell he told you so on the Black Album and still… But he does what he does best, lead you to believe and then pulls the carpet right from under you.
Jay is all about himself for sure. He’s turned into the next rendition of Puff.
and why would anybody listen to nigz who ..kick rocks and hated on the album before it even came out anyway..yall neva wanted to “LIKE” it anyway..kick rocks and go play your nameless favorite rapper..im sure there somewhere rappin over them same ass beats..sayin more of nothing..and rhymin about rhymes..lame shit
haters be damned! Shits dope! No matter what they gonna have haters who underrate it … Like all the jams except lift off
Thats a really fair review in my opinion…well done.
4? No, no no no, that shit sucks!!! Every verse, every chorus, everything is forgettable. Watch the throne flop, n*ggas in paris should kill themselves.
In MY opinion J feels more comfortable on the Ol New York hip hop beats like on the song “The Joy”. He rhymes flawlessly over the smooth Pete Rock beat. He sounds out of place on the other production. To ME it feels like a Kanye Album ft. an uncomfortable Jay-Z. Kanye sounds good and more at home rhyming over the production. Does anyone else feel the same way?
i actually kinda feel wat you sayin.. It does sound more like a mbdtf part 2 feat Jay-z. BUT..I believe jay more than held his own..still a great album imo
I definitely did, cus even on Otis Ye knew how to attack it and Jay didnt sound like he knew where to come in
this album is something else. the production is next level shit, and the rhymes are sick as well.
epic.
co-sign , shit is sick. beautiful sounds
Ooooooooookay….Broderick, Czar and Suggamatic…who are you? I am so sick of these stupid ass bloggers that don’t do shit but play with themselves and hate on JAY. JAY is the realest emcee of all time and has fucked with the rap game since 9 – 6. Yall dummies probably wasnt even alive…matter fact, you must be a dead nigga right now if you can’t feel JAY’s music.
Shit, and to anybody else sleepin on JAY and YE…I’m talking to corpses and I can sleep when Im dead.
i guess that happens when u spend only a year on a project that makes ppl think u going return as jesus.
You have to love the cohesiveness of the two.
I think the reason that people dislike this album is because of Kanye. Ye writes about what’s going on in his life Struggle for stardom=College Dropout, Loving success=Late Registration, Dealing with fame and ego=Graduation, Pain from losing those you love=808s & Heartbreak, Breakup and public redemption= MBDTF. Kanye didn’t have really enough things in the past few months to make impacting lyrics. Last month I figured it would be more Haters off of BP3 than The Joy, but it does take it to a new level, which is what they do. Change the game.
The wordplay is there, the meaning is there, the bragging is there, its just not all on the same place. People who are looking for a few songs will find them, people who can listen with open ears will enjoy more of the album.
I was excited for the album, but I never let my expectations go stupidly high. So I’m not disappointed. Classic album? It remains to be seen, its better than Unfinished Business by far. By my second listening, i was hooked and got chills.
5 stars . consistant body of work as a whole , amazing subject matter , good word play , and the backn forth punch lines are unreal,. remind me of smif n wessun, q-tip and phife, ghost and rae
This shit is fucking insane. lift off is the only mediocre track
Can I adress some of yall? You know why you are never satisfied? because most of you cannot appreciate good music. You are like mob wondering around art gallery. You look at every picture and you can’t see anything particullary “oh shit” like that you were expecting. Some of you might have seen enough of the pictures to think that they can differenciate a good picture from a bad picture. But it’s not true. You need to really try for once creating a song on your own to appreciate what others do. Or you need to really do your homework on music. Art is elitist in nature.
I am not saying that this album is a classic, but I am saying that most of you would never notice/understand a classic even if you listened to it. Look at most yall tastes. Yall stuck in 90s because thats what your older peers told you was good music. You dont know how to tell good music from bad music.
Backpackers just like to feel different.
J.Cole is good, Kendrick is better than Cole but no, neither of them, not yet nigga
4.5
GO TO HELL HIPHOPDX.COM,you DICKRIDERS,PULL JAY-Z & KANYE WESTS DICKS OUT YOUR MOUTHS NOW PUSSYS
Now i see why people hate the both of them
derelict.
ALBUM OF YEAR
i really dont get the term hip hop is dead or this aint real hip hop. hop hop listeners are ignorant. if you had stayed in school long enough i think you would have learned about evolution by Charles Darwin which applys to everything in life, even music.i dont want to make this long but my last thing is, why do people put boundaries around hip hop.hip hop has no boundaries, thats one quality of hip hop that i like.drake is hip hop, soulja boy is hip hop(even though i dont like him), jayz is hip hop, em is hip hop. its really stupid to say hip hop is dead coz it can never die, it has evolved.
You just named the 4 most popular guys in mainstream music! Do you know who Apollo Brown is? That’s hip hop!!!! Not Rap Pop, or whatever you wanna call this album!
This album is the best of the year. The lyrics are on point the beats are fucking amazing. These critics need to start growing balls and act like they know what music really is. I mean what kind of half ass review is this anyway? Murder to Excellence, Gotta Have It, Who Gon Stop Me, No Church In The Wild, New Day, Niggas in Paris, Primetime. This album spews classic. HipHopDX, grow some balls.
This is a Creative Album with great concept and production. Above average lyrics! I like it a lot no comercial *ish on this album. I think in could be better but Over all great ablbum.
Co-Fuckin sign…evrything i had in mind.
Today’s Hip Hop scene has a rotating cast of notable stars, yet Watch The Throne simply wouldn’t have felt the same had it been two different rappers converging for something this monumental. Truth be told, each emcee has produced better solo material, but that doesn’t take away from the quality found on Watch The Throne, nor does it change the fact that crowns rest assuredly on their heads. 4.5
poor.
red album not gonna get a 4 more like a 2.5
fantastic work.
hot album nice beats and lyrics ……. vote for me on the game pot of gold competion and check out my verse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spNDVickohY
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Would’ve deserved 4.5. It’s not a classic, but it’s of a very high level, certainly considering what else has come out recently.
One of the youtube reviewers gave it a 9/10! dam! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX6RHRmP_k8
Coulda been better. I’m not impressed.
Why didn’t Jake Paine review this? C’mon Editor-In-Chief, you & The Company Man are the best writers on your staff. Not to knock Edwin Ortiz, I just didn’t expect it.
4/5 ??? FOR THIS!!!!!!!!!!!
HMM OK 2.5 at max i vote 2
except a few songs pure garbage
It coulda been better but it is better than 95% of the shit everybody else puttin out
This review is so average..
5 stars
“Watch The Throne’ simply wouldn’t have felt the same had it been two different rappers converging for something this monumental.”
So… two rappers like Eminem and Royce? hmmm
THE ALBUM IS OK ! I THRONE > HELL
TO ALL EMINEM’S RACIST FANS, GO AND DIE !!!
Ironically `Primetime` of the Deluxe Version of the Album is the best song on the whole album ( I say Ironically because they only but it on the Deluxe Version). I wish the album sounded more like that as both Jay and Ye are better over that type of beat and their content was on point.
This album is no higher than a 3.5, probably a 3. There were some great songs like ni66as in paris, new day, murder to excellence and the BEST song Primetime, but there was WAY too much filler material and alot of the lyrics was SUBPAR for Ye and Jay. The experimental sounds are hit and miss.
3 stars
totally agree
Its a pop album. And it is not good in my opinion. Will you be listening to it in ten years? If thats not the goal of the artist, it shouldnt be released. Escapism at its finest. Not my cup of whisky.
ALBUM OF 2011……… LUPE CLOSE SECOND
:DDd youre obviously from musician family… for your mother best album is lady gaga near second justin bieber…
Lupe create under average LP in 2011 and this is some kind of weird pop rap shit
I see its really hard to impress ppl now a days but anyway its the Album of the year… Lil’s not going to put out a better piece of work SORRY……
I’m so disappointed !
they have no flow, far from what they used to…
and instrus are kind of “experimental”
i give 2 stars and please don’t say it’s album of the year !
i love kanye and jigga but without their names on the project i think not a lot of people would have talk of this
seriously guys cut off rap parts and you got disco LP
Just as I expected. Hottest album this year. 5 Stars!!!!
I give it a 3.5, not quite a 4, because the lyrics in some songs seemed meaningless and out of place at times, but the beats are pretty good.
Production was great for the most part, but I would not call it a great album, it’s a good album. Definately better than 85% of shit out here nowadays.
Jay and Kanye have so much talent but I don’t think they use it to the fullest extent at times.
over rated and hyped…didn’t live up to billing
The pure hip hop sounding songs are easily the best on this album and they are really good!! The rest of the album is lame. A little too much unnecessary singing, crooning and drawn out instrumentals (kinda like MDTF). These guys are wealthy beyond our dreams. It be nice if they just gave the pop shit a break and hit us with something with a little more grit, and not worry so much about the charts and making stadium music. The album sounds like a Kanye West album featuring Jay-z. If this dropped in 2004 it would sound more like a Jay-z album featuring Kanye. That’s when Jay was really on top of his game. I would have enjoyed that a lot more. This album is pretty much what I expected though, but I was hoping for better.
(shaking my head)
A 4? Really?
This LP is overall reason to make your head hurt, be disappointed, and ultimately have you realize that I really wasted my time listening to it because if they don’t care then why should I.
The fact that they chose to put 2 throwaways on here speaks volumes of the problem with this album: Pure laziness and lack of overall effort. The overbearing production is just annoying. The fact these cats for the most part talk about a whole lot of nothing is annoying. The fact that with a song which they put effort into it and give you a great piece of work (New Day, Murder To Excellence) and then come with all of this laziness and lackadasical lameness everywhere else is totally annoying.
Look. I’m all for people having success and being places never thought or imagined or whatever. I’m all for a nigga coming from the projects and going to the penthouses overseas. But let’s cut the crap. Let’s stop with this ish steadily being thrown in our faces as if: 1. Y’all are the only ones with access to such and 2. As if this truly validates all of the bullshit that y’all do and give to the public in the form of disappointing ass records and songs which the followers will slurp up and give you props under false pretense.
The delusions of grandeur must stop….especially for Shawn Carter. This nigga is mad wack now. Horrible. Kanye has been better than him for quite some time now. Kanye is actually being held back and used by Shawn. Shawn needs Kanye and not the other way around. Shawn is boring as hell, really says nothing, really speaks about nothing, really has not a hint of lyrical dexterity and wordplay anyone…but does show moments of introspection. He just wastes everyone’s time. All done at what expense? Hip-Hop.
Blaq Poet said it the best on “Voices” while speaking as Biggie Smalls and shares a lot of cats’ sentiments: “FYI, I’m pissed at Shawn Carter”. But Hov would like you to think it’s cause people are “hating” and “don’t want to see his success at what he’s become”. Far from the truth…it’s just the people who actually respect, know, and appreciate the artform and what is it and takes with skills realize what you’ve done post Black Album and even moments in between The Black Album and Reasonable Doubt. You bullshit around with us.
This album isn’t bad as Kingdom Come, but it is as horrible when it comes to the underlying theme: a piece of disappointing trash that is lazy with all of the effort being put forth to everything else but the most important thing…the actual album itself.
I just want everyone to get their minds clear and actually get a mind of their own. This ish has cost us dearly in regard of our country as it is…Let alone the state of affairs when it comes to mainstream hip hop and urban music.
Peace.
Lmao…..Everything you wrote was trash…… You trying to convince yourself that jay-z has fell off… Moral of the story is that you a hater….. Jay-z is one of the most successful rapper’s ever!!!! He brought you kanye,beans,j.cole,etc……..And by the way if you had a open mind you would know that kingdom come was a flawless piece of work….. We can’t help that jay-z has you mad salty….. By the time you done ranting how wack jay is he will been have won another grammy…..#yourpostdead
I challenge anyone to listen to this from beginning to end w/ an open mind and not be shocked on how good it is. 5 golden mics..Album has everyhing
any rapper who plans to release an album this year shout just push it back a couple of months and work @ it..this is haard
Get off their dick. Can’t even let the album soak in for 24 hours before overrating it.
Hell: the Sequel is better than this… and nearly every Strange Music release has been better than this… but at least its better than big seans album
Simply a MUST HAVE ALBUM for anyone who are fans of these artists. I cant wait to Watch The Throne on tour!
why does every fucking thing on this fucking site get a 3, 3.5 or 4? this is unfuckingbelievable.
niggaz produce average shit thats why
The structure and concept of the album, is one of the best i’ve seen in a while. Its an album to keep you interested everytime, with just the emotions and thoughts of it
The fact that this album is the best conceptually executed album you’ve heard in a while is pathetic in itself. Try listening to Oneirology by Cunninlynguists and you’ll see what a concept album is supposed to sound like.
This was garbage, of course all the Jay-Z and Kanye dick bouncers will say otherwise but this was wack! There was a frown on my face the whole time I listened to this. The Day is the one song i can stand behind.
After Bad Meets Evil came with a EP as lyrically intense as Hell:The Sequel, WTT just doesnt measure up. The beats were better than the rhymes!Watch the Throne? They sat on a crapper
ur an eminem & royce dick rider!!!
I’m gonna give the album 3 stars, only because of “New Day”. Without that track, album ain’t worth shit.
I liked Hiphop DX until I read this…how much did you get paid to give this a 4? I’m now googling to find another hip hop site that doesn’t front run with clowns like this…
you must like shit rappers like gucci and soulja boy. This album is amazing get over it hater
We won’t miss you hater!!! Jay and ye got niggas mad salty!!!!
I’m a fan of ACTUAL hip hop! Not rap pop like this kids…Gucci and Soulja boy are worse than these two! Apollo Brown, Brother Ali, Q-Tip just to name a few kids. Do your research and discover the difference between genres. This album is NOT hip hop regardless of what you want to call it. Hip-hop is built on samples, breaks, graffiti, and culture. This album is two rich, ignorant clowns flaunting how much money they have, why am I listening?
It is called experimenting and sampling different sounds….. either way put it is hip-hop….The words rhyme the scheme with the hooks…. No different than your boom bap back pack rap….. Now enjoy the album
It is like this…..It was better than 90% of the bullshit out today…. Classic? That is yet to be seen….. Good album 4/5…..And to all the hater’s don’t just say it sucks….State a valid reason…..Roc nation
gets better with every listen
five stars
Because of the innovation, this album in years to come will be recognize as close to a classic… The song New Day is absolutely mind blowing… The synth on No Church in Da Wild is ridiculous, primes me like crazy… Niggas in Paris great bouncing beat. In other words, this album has a little bit of something for everyone… If it gets an XL on XXL it would have the same rating as the last gucci mane album… Lets hope not, because there is no comparison, Preach
Wow so ONCE again I see that being Jay-Z or Kanye West automatically makes ur album good…..comeon you guys did the same thing for MBDTF, overhyped like shit, Watch The Throne is just them spitting their AVERAGE bars of random beats that really have NO cohesiveness at all. Em and Royce def shat all over this
are u serious? u cannot be fucking serious.
zzzz
Taking that your name is hateful….. It will have sold more than you can imagine when you wake up…
I’m sure it will sell plenty. That doesn’t make it a classic album like everybody was saying before it came out while at the same time admitting the singles sucked.
album sounds more like some leftovers from MBDTF. At this point Kanye doesnt need that old man (jay z) anymore. album is decent.
New Day is a classic, you’re right about that… RZA’s magic
i dont understand why everyone is goin nuts about a new day…. nothin but a bunch of annoying autotune in the background and 2 short ass verses that arent anything special… listened to it once and have no intention on listening again
get of jay z dick hiphopdx its 3 or 3.5
“New Day” is the best track on this album
i would have to agree. also primetime & murder to excellence. This album didnt reach each potential
4 X’s ??? Really ? Should have been just 3 X’s….Album of the year? LMAO!!! Look i’ve been a Jay-Z fan since the days of Jaz-O and meet him on occasion and supported Kanye since his first album but this was just disappointing…All of you on here saying this is the best album out must not be real hip hop fans and only listen to the radio because i can think of a couple tighter joints than this…. True the album is experimental in some aspects but that only goes so far…where are the real good beats that we saw on Otis or The Joy..Basically where is the “hip hop” all i really heard was rap…I agree with the review i just think you gave it too high a rating… but what do i know,i’m just a deejay myself and a fan…. take it how you want “STAN’S…can anyone seriously say they will be playing this joint 5 months in the future? 2 years? 5 years? …Come on son
4 X’s ??? Really ? Should have been just 3 X’s….Album of the year? LMAO!!! Look i’ve been a Jay-Z fan since the days of Jaz-O and meet him on occasion and supported Kanye since his first album but this was just disappointing…All of you on here saying this is the best album out must not be real hip hop fans and only listen to the radio because i can think of a couple tighter joints than this…. True the album is experimental in some aspects but that only goes so far…where are the real good beats that we saw on Otis or The Joy..Basically where is the “hip hop” all i really heard was rap…I agree with the review i just think you gave it too high a rating… take it how you want “STAN’S…can anyone seriously say they will be playing this joint 5 months in the future? 2 years? 5 years? …Come on son
This is a under rated reviewe I believe this will be CD of the Year. It is done with so much class!! should have been 5 stars you guys give really mediocre MC’s high rating for so so material I do not get it.
A couple good songs, but you know if they had been any other artists it would have gotten a 3.5-_-3 stars from me
Impressive album, despite all the hype and e-haters.
kinda what i expected….an excellent album with all types of different sounds. what’s crazy is niggas saying the Bad Meets Evil Ep is better than this. GTFOH. Just enjoy all forms of hip hop. this album is evolution.
nothing special i expected much more from a title watch the throne
If they had been any other artists, the album would have a higher fan rating… Just because of who they are, some won’t even dare to listen objectively and figure that because its Jay & Ye, it just CANNOT be good… LISTEN
4? no this deserves a 3 or a 3.5 at most…..half the album has no real substance
There was one part where I was so distracted by Hov’s little “uh” ad lib after every line… i almost shut it off at that point… besides a couple of masterpieces like Primetime and Murder To Excellence, this cd was not really worth all the hype… would probably throw in Distant Relatives over this if I was looking for a collab album… 3.75 rounds up to a 4 star
Please…. Distant relatives was a great album… But don’t try and compare the two….Two totally different albums…. I sense the hate….Just admit it you didn’t give it a thoro listen and all you doing is following the kanye jay-z hate tour…
why do people say it was better than 90% of the bullshit out today?? If thats the case then its obvious that rapmusic is very weak at this moment.
You better listen to the album….. They don’t just talk about money,hoes…. They talk about things that go on in the hood and being a black man in this crazy world…. I suggest you open your ears and stop treading with the hater’s…#Realtalk
this shit aight a major let down if you talking about who is on the album they rap about the same stuff over and over again,it doesn’t have that shit that catches your ear easy to forget album
3 *** stars
Wack. Period. 2-stars.
got this dope album on replay and I love it
this album is booty
Sounds more like a kanye then jay-Z album. Since the black album Jay is becoming worst as a rapper. The lyrics and flow of jay-Z are boring as hell.
Probably this album is gonna win 10 grammy’s. Hype, hype and hype.
wow….Jay-z flowed better than your fav rapper….He doubled timed flowed flawlessly….. Keep hating it only make them better
You telling me they’re talking of the usual shit on No Church in Da Wild and New Day… Haha not even close
over hyped trash
Fire. Fuck you haters.
cunninlynguist’s album is way better…will listen to that years from now…watch the throne…maybe 2 weeks tops
“me and the rza connect” is that the best they can come up with, this album is fuckn garbage, kanyes son will just be as ignorant as him.
Very solid album
How the hell did Legendary Weapons get a 3 and this get a 4? Hiphopddx is run by Nazis I swear.
I’m not a Jay-Z fan and Kanye isn’t my favorite rapper but I think this album is excellent and above many peoples heads…there is a ton of great material on this record. Better then BME and Eminem is one of my all time favorites.
Feel the same dawg
with how much hype this album was getting even Hova and Yeezy can’t live up to that…its still a damn impressive collab album at the end of the day. both of them experimented with beats and such. each of them had better solo albums but for two super egos to join forces and make this is clearly noteworthy. i give it 4 stars, both of them showed they still can make an argument for ownership of the throne.
why not a real hiphop album then this poprap shit. why go for the money, charts and fame???? (jay and kanye have enough money)
do something for the hiphop music. Album is nothing but hype!!!!
meh i was expecting a shit lot better from these guys 3.5 at best more like 3 stars
this album is “Eh” (Eminem voice)
has one half empty track.
first 2 tracks whack, but rest is fine
solid album, but lyrics = meh, beats= good but nothing really stood out to me. not really feelin this album, did not live up to the hype…
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Niggur get a life or better yet STFU. no one needs yo beats while Kanye is alive
I love it
i expected much more. Album sounds like some leftovers from MBDTF by Kanye.
Please Jay-Z its really time to retire. Your flow and lyrics are boring as hell.
Lol@ haterz who can’t make a valid excuse to why this album sucks…All they say is this is booty,hype,wack,……You ain’t saying nothing hater’s…… Just wait til the numbers are in….. And to the hater’s saying i rather bump no named rapper…. eat a dick…And call me a dick rider all you want but i am true jay-z fan….
ill bill and vinnie paz’s album heavy metal kings was a WAAAAAAAAAY better collab. Ohh and it sucks cuz both these rappers have lost there knack for being lyricist
LOL…..I guess the whole world is better than jay-z and kanye west huh? Lil b is better huh? The hate i see on this site is beyond amazing….Lol
andre speakin de truth!!
You might be a Jay-z but your not an honest fan, Jay-z has been spitting lackluster verses for a while now. Jay-z has some of the worst stans. It’s only hate to you because your bias and Jay-z can do no wrong in your eyes!
Man please i am a student of hip-hop….I have every last jay album and trust me the man does not lack…. In jay terms he has had a couple of lackluster albums….In everybody else term his shit trumps over 90% of the rap game!!!! I am being honest with myself and there is nothing you can say to change that….. Jay-z is the g.o.a.t. and don’t bring up nas because at one time he signed under jay-z… Nuff said
After weeks of being lyrcially tag-teamed by Royce and Eminem I must say this album is a bit disappointing. Don’t get me wrong, the beats on here are outstanding but I had grown accustomed to a certain level of lyricism that Kanye and Jay-z can’t provide. It is not a bad album at all but its going from a million dollar home to a $100,000 condo.
Illuminati got their minds soul and their body. fuck this shit
@ andre cooper
are you hired by Jay Z to say this bullshit?
If you are a true Jay z fan you know that Jay sucks since 2003!
And who cares about numbers? numbers say nothing about quality
Nope…..I loved every album he has put out…. And kingdome come went over your inferior brain….
i dont understand how people can say jay has sucked since 2003 did people hear american gangster??? thats one of his top 5 best albums
disappointing poprap!
few decent songs and the rest sucks.
some much hype for what?????
This is pretty good
its not even about the music anymore..neggaz just wanna hate!..neggaz expecting the coming of Christ?? just enjoy the music..it really hurts how people will crucify true hip hop then complain that hip hop is dead,,
Why so much hate, Like Ye said he made eveyone tuck thier chain this summer!!
why the hate just watch the throne…people r hating like they getting paid for it..
People on this site just saying dumb shit….. Someone said jay-z was wack on this album???? This shit is sickening
have been playing this album 2 days consecutive non stop without skipping any song. this is the sickest album of the decade.
Fag
is this mainstream rap? obviously… that being said this shit is good..
niggas in paris best track – jayz and kanye basically letting everyone listening know, hate them or not, you aint on their level.
see thats the only song i didnt like. It was too “southern” for me..idk if u get what im sayin..I been listenin to this album for 3 hours straight now.. mad good
U sir are an idiot for listening to such trash for 3 hrs straight.
No wonder people are so dumb these days. They playback a 45min album about nothing for 3 hrs straight….fools
the track was recorded in paris.. so im amusing the lyrics have to do with their escapades of traveling the world and slaying broads (for kanye anyway) and kanyes verese in this song is unreal.
Haven’t heard this yet but the singles sucked. I’ll listen to it eventually…
bad album
BME > WTT
Easily
So let me guess…. The whole damn hiphop community is better than kanye and jay-z???? Got damn the hate on this site is beyond crazy!!!!! I am just waiting on someone to say waka is better…..#Stophating
I think the problem with most of these wanna be critics below is that they set their own standards too high for these guys. They’re human too. Not gods. This album was raw. Their flow on top of these not-so-easy beats is unduplicatable. You let the hype get to you. Scrubs.
Easy Easy they are still going platinum and will eventually get a five on here because of their dick rhiding stans but remember critiqe is a part of the art. All response don’t have to be good.
Yea neither they the hype get to them or they’ve heard reasonable doubt and kanye’s last cd. I mean theres good music and theres bad music. Hyping your self up like the miami heat dosn’t make people judge you harsher it just neither makes you look better if you follow through or like shit when you dont like them lol.
Definition of Hating- When one puts down the success or fortune of others due to jealousy. Lets stop throwing the term “hating” around so loosely. Jay-Z and Kanye have done alot for the Hip Hop community. I can’t take anything away from the success of the two, but this album is trash. I don’t care who made this album, if its trash its trash. This doesn’t mean that i’m hating, but keeping it real. Hands down Jay and Kanye failed to make a great album. That is all!
I have to ask. what didnt you like about it?
Jay you suck!!!
I’ll tell you what i didn’t like about it. Keep in mind i only listened to it from beggining to end once so i forgot some things i hated but lift off was bad. say what you want couldn’t finish the song dont like pop stuff. niggas in paris had a wack beat. like surprisingly cheesy. like bass alone dosn’t save a song. and them just bragging for lyrics. thats my bitch not to good. stop me had a hot beat and then halfway to the end just turned into techno. welcome to the jungle was just an average played out swiss beats beat with like that sick sample that barely plays. Didn’t really like the i love you one or made in america even.
great production and decent lyrics….the album is what it is…a banger
this review is almost as stupid as the album. “this shit cray” nobody is going to say that dx, and nobody gives a fuck about their money. theyre just a bunch of niggas braggin about the shit that they have
3/5
should have been an instrumental album
cause these two clowns really suck on a mic
we already know that about Ye but for jigga this is a big disapointment…how could a nigga went from reasonable doubt to this pop-rap bullshit ??? 5 stars for the beats
This is what I hate about 90’s hip-hop fans…
REASONABLE DOUBT WAS A POP-RAP ALBUM. IT WAS COMMERCIAL AS FUCK, THE STYLE WAS JUST DIFFERENT. IN 1997, SOUL/FUNK SAMPLED SHIT WITH HARD RHYMES SOLD, IN 2011 THIS SELLS. THIS IS JUST LIKE PEOPLE SAYING: “IF 2PAC & BIGGIE WERE ALIVE HIP-HOP WOULD BE SO DIFFERENT.” GUESS WHAT, IF TUPAC AND BIG WERE ALIVE THEY WOULD BE DOING POP RAP JUST LIKE BUSTA RHYMES AND DR. DRE AND EMINEM AND SNOOP DOGG AND JAY-Z.
I DIDN’T BUY THE ALBUM, AND BASED ON THE TRACKS I HEARD I’M NOT GONNA BUY IT. SO I CAN’T SAY IF IT’S GOOD OR NOT. BUT I JUST HAD TO SAY THIS. PEACE!
the best so far this year
dhova313
I don’t like Raekwon, but he makes good music. I’m not a fan at all, but I can’t sit here and say Raekwon doesn’t have talent and produce some ill material. If something is hot it’s hot, if it’s trash it’s trash! Don’t get mad if your favorite artist flops.
5 star. shit was epic and new and original!
ahahaha, 4? Really? Well, hiphopdx never have been known for their album reviews/ratings.
This album is a disappointment. Not because we are placing them to high but I can only grade you against what you have done in the past. Both have turned in better albums this is kinda like kingdomcome not awful but not something you just run back too. no church in the wild, murder excellence are super strong tracks in my opinion surrounded by experimental pop pieces.
hot!….must buy, beats were dope could’ve went a harder my opinion…I can play it all the way thru with out skipping a song… go grab!!
It’s official, Hip-Hop is dead and KanJay couldn’t save it. I would write a mini-album review, but I feel it would be an insult to my intelligence to analyze such trash. I might do so later, after a dos equis to calm the nerves.
So 1/5, only because they don’t have anything lower than a 1.
Couldnt have said it better.
I AGREE WITH ANDRE….YALL HATING ON THE WHOLE CD…THEIR JOB AINT TO MAKE YOU HAPPY BECUZ YOU UNHAPPY…..10/10
best production in years. sounds years ahead of anything else out. I don’t know how people can hate on this. The world is fucked up. Jay absolutely destroys.
Of course there are a couple weak spots, Lift Off – raps are terrible and non-existent, for example, but all in all, this album is untouchable.
All the guest producers had their game brought up by Kanye’s team.. all of their best work in years. So ill.
There is no one else in the game that could produce an album this hot. Only dude close to touching them as far as originality and innovation is Kendrick Lamar, but he’s still a young dude.
as a jay z fan im highly disappointed
3/5. Not bad, but a disappointment to me, & I’m fans of both of these artist…
THIS ALBUM IS THE BEST THIS YEAR BY FAR…10/10
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AND WHAT DONT YOU LIKE ABOUT THE ALBUM BECUZ>>IT MADE YOU FEEL SMALL
very disappointed in this album its trash and im glad i didnt pay for it
Wow, horrible review. WTT is an album about black power and self reliance, PERIOD! How this reviewer completely missed that is beyond me. There is nothing light hearted or random on this album. But if you didn’t live it or aren’t going through it or maybe if you’re 12 yrs old, how could you get it.
Production wise, this is masterful shit.
My dude if you were taking about a krs one album that would be right. If you go bar by bar in this song not trying to hate but majority is ego rap. While they were more positive than any music they’ve made recently i think your going overboard. Review was wack though(like most things on this site.)Honestly i bet apathy’s new cd’s gonna be better. But besides the production statement, i’m wondering if your being sarcastic.
My only question is: How much does DX get paid for a favorable review?
You are shitting me if you really think this is a 4 star album.
You right its 5 STARS!!!!!!! HATER
THEY WILL WIN ALL THE AWARDS FOR THIS ALBUM…PRODUCTION IS PERFECT!!!! YOU CANT NAME A ALBUM WITH BETTER PRODUCTION
MOST OF YALL NEED TO THINK OUTSIDE OF THE BOX
Album is definitely not a 4 – but “New Day” is AMAZING. RZA was definitely on point there
This body of work by Jay-Z and Kanye West might be the worst they’ve ever put out. I’m here in Chi-town listening to Pharris Thomas played the CD and was like, “Wow…is this cat getting a check directly for playing it or what?” OBVIOUSLY!! So, he has to say good things about it.
But the average fan, the average joe…come on. You know you’ve heard better than this from these two artists.
I think alot of folks mix “having money and being successful” with having talent.
Right now, the only difference between Jay-Z, Kanye West & Justin Beiber is obvious…the skin color and age difference. THATS IT!!
All 3 are making POP(FULL STOP)
I would have respected it more if HOV and Ye came out and said they were making an “ODE to MJ Compilation.”
1/10 in my book.
What was pop about it? Oh because beyonce and Otis Redding were on the hooks? Did you hear anything Jay and Ye were saying on this album?
I honestly CAN NOT believe cats are hating on this album. Wow man. Oh well your loss because this shit is one of the best albums I’ve heard in a long time. That includes the Beyonce joint.
You know the artists have done well when people listen to the whole album like paid critics & then invest time on a site to kick the usual dirt. I have never personally thought an album was trash then took to a site to give it negative attention. Everyone kicking dirt on this site doesn’t get a dime but will still spend time checking to see if anyone responded to their post so they can validate their opinion that no one asked for in the first place. Trash talk on a site like this is common than anyone else. If I really wanted to check on how an album was being taken in by the public I would just count the responses and care less about what someone who took the time to listen just to post negativity.
Beats are wack!!!!! RZA’s track is weak and Pete Rocks is boring……Lyrics are alright but with better production they would have been better.
Yea RZA let me down…. 🙁
There has to be something wrong with your eardrums… Pop a few rolls and blast it in nice headphones and get back to me
Pete Rocks track is slow and mellow, but it is still nice. RZAs track is not that great. that auto tune voice on top just ruins whatever the beat had going for it.
??? Damn, I was under the impression that those were the two strongest joints on the album. The album as a whole is meh, nothing really that special.
The point of the internet is to voice your opinion. Some people on here however are just flat out dick riding and giving praise to shit. Another thing is that these “haters that are jealous because they make more money argument” is fucking stupid unless you like dropped out of high school or something. Jay-Z’s flow and lyrics are terrible on this album, it might have well been Kanye feat. Jay-Z on every track. The production has seen better days and some of these tracks are flat out awful. There are some very good tracks on here as well so the album is NOT terrible. It is just mostly a disappointment because we KNOW that these two could have done sooooooooo much better than this. Now that this is all said and done I am awaiting the response of those worthy of a discussion or an idiot. 🙂 Oh and 2.5/5
co-sign
i was expecting some hard ass dope tracks but this shit sounds like 2 guys busy sucking each other off gayest shit i ever bought only 4 good tracks off the whole album 22 of which had already been out didn’t expect this from jay, bad meets evil was better let’s c who comes up with the next collab album coz the concept is nice but will work when done properly
Whats to discuss you made your point. You don’t like it, I do.
Instant Classic, i love this album
i swear hiphopdx has the most haters out of all the hip hop sites. ive gone and seen other sites and most people give their honest opinion about the music based on its quality and where these 2 rappers are at this point of their career but everybody on this site seems to just come on to talk shit. album is a solid 4/5
AGREED Keezie:
I NEVER THOUGHT A ALBUM WAS TRASH AND GOT ON A IT SMH LAMES…YALL SAD STILL SELLING 500K
AGREED Keezie:
I NEVER THOUGHT A ALBUM WAS TRASH AND GOT ON A IT SMH LAMES…YALL SAD STILL SELLING 500K…”WHY I LOVE YOU”
Yo slow down there partner, can’t understand what your saying.
“WHY I LOVE YOU” FOR THE HATERS LOL 500K
They still don’t sell more than Justin Bieber so whats your point.
Distant Relatives>>Watch The Throne!
That is the truth. Any day of the week. 10X better. Man it kind of gets me that people let that album dissipate, Some people don’t even know what I’m talking about when I mention it.
easily
I think these guys could make a song called “I like horse cock and shit for breakfast” and people who say its a masterpiece.
co-sign
shit’s wack expected better but ended up as the gayest shit i ever bought
THIS ALBUM IS WACK SON
niggas kill me…..man hate is free…..not there best? but its great work….I LOVE IT. good shit from YOUR favorite rappers rapper and producer……
My favorite rappers rapper is Redman and my favorite rappers producer is Dr. Dre.
dumbass
This shit is an instant classics, fuck the people who think differently, or the “haters”. My middle school education can’t judge an album by the music but by only the names. Jay-Z + Kanye West = CLASSIC. Those names are classics so put two classics together and what do you get? A CLASSIC!! Fuck those that think differently!!! (The Haters)
You just proved how blind you can be. Or im hoping you was being sarcastic.
Album was weak , lyrics are ok production could have been waaaaay better
Americans truly have gone stupid. This album IS THE ALBUM you weirdoes need to LISTEN TO. Especially you black men. Jay has never been more HONEST than this album. How cats think he’s just blinging out is got me SMH.
thats what i would say to. fuck the haters, they dont understand this new shit! i love the ol.school stuff too but, i am moving more towards this new shit that is coming out! peace
LIL B I`M GAY > WTT REAL TALKS
Only Jay Z fan boys love this shit album. Jay should hang it up, and get back to banging Beyonce before its to late.
Nigga is 41 acting like he is 25. NEGRO PLEEZE
Yea homie co-sign 100%. People is just jealous that they we cant think and they can. SO that means they just hatin cuz Kanye and Jay make money, don’t know what else it could be. They makin money and these guys are not so they just hate on their success. Yea that makes sense right? (Oh I dropped out of high school as a sophomore so I know my shit)
If Eminem did this same exact album, DX readers would be singing hallelujah.
Called Bad Meets Evil, and it was better, without a doubt.
almost as good as kanyes last. better than anything around now fo sho, way way way better than games R.E.D album will be guaranteed. It will be interesting to see how detox fairs against this and what all u faggot haters will say about that compared to this (can’t hate every album! or can you?). I love this album!
AND u guys must be fucking with me if u think Roc Marciano & Gangrene’s album is better? fuck, this is the last time i even glance down at comments on anything here. HHDX should almost screen comments because this shit is redic
i expected more, the album is really overhyped and HHDX only reviewed a majority of the good tracks, half of the album is good and the other half is just lacking. They really weren’t talking about much. Best songs on it were : No Church in the Wild, Otis, New Day, Murder to Excellence, Made in America, The Joy and maybe 2 other cuts like Niggas in Paris and Love You So…
so u are saying those 8 song are good and the rest are crap?? if so shit the fuck up u dumb cunt, anyone who thinks ‘gotta have it’ is a bad song obviously has no taste in hip hop and therefor shouldn’t even be commenting on this site.
NIGGA Jay is garbage. Can’t believe West is making an album with this fool. I’d rather see a Kanye-Nas LP, that would be hella dope nawmean.
good words bra.
stop hating
jay still running laps over niggas head
kanye is too
the album is good
if you think sucks then it isnt for you…
Primetime is my favorite track
Niggas say that jay and kanye suck but expect them to 5 mic everything they put out.
4/5
that dont make no sense
a
very good album! i used too hate the voices like frank ocean, but no more. this is some another level shit that some people dont understand!
Co-sign.
Its all opinions…..Its hard to be critical on artists period. Unless you have put down some blood, sweat and tears and DNA on the artist block, it is hard to relate to what that individual goes through just to get their piece out to the world. The thing about Kanye and Jay is that we already came in with big expectations. We have heard the classics that they have un rolled on us and we loved it….In Scramblemans opinion….this is classic yet…it doesnt make me listen to it 4x in a row like some of the other classics…..A very soft album, I have heard better lyrics from both of them, the production is wavy at best. There isn’t one big big banger on the album that had my neck broke……in fact my neck is still attached…..One last thing….if you are gonna over hype the HYPE with a EGO title like “Watch the Throne” you better bring that sword…..This album was “Watch the Toilet” with kleenex in both of their butts…….2.8 maybe outta 5.
Agrreeed
This is a classic album — Why? Because none of us, whether we have done music our entire lives or whether we are spectators, can do that. What’s THAT? THAT is, putting a body of work together that delves us out of the norm. None of us can recreate the sonic signature that they have. Instead of only listening to the words and beats, listen to the dynamics; the changing sounds and the aura of the environment. Listen to the album in a Beats by Dr. Dre or reference monitors. Listen critically and, then, you’ll HEAR what I hear…
Do you know what qualifies a classic? Something that can stand the test of time. I have listened to this album at least 3 times and I am already sick of some of these songs. But your right, listening to it on Dre headphones makes an album a classic. That Justin Bieber album was a classic too cuz i listened to it with those and it sold 1mill so its the best.
Nigga you cant be throwing the classic title around like that. At least let the shit marinate fam. You the type of nigga that would put Derek Fisher in the hall of fame.
This nigga getting horny over this shit. “listen to the dynamics”? Word nigga??
You sound like you wanna stick your dick in jay-z’s camel lips son
ur giving the album WAY too much credit..there is nothing groundbreaking here..
This album is hard as hell. I’m done.
“This is NOT a Classic yet” -TYPO……
classic
You’ll thank Jay and Ye later kids.
These young dudes don’t know yet… Give ’em time…
you dudes are badass
Just like Drake told me I would do??
Still havent yet…
Bingo. I’m 20, been listing to hip hop since I first heard Em on MTV when I was 12.
This albume (Much like MBDTF) is way ahead of it’s time and will be haled a classic. Just be proud you bumped it before everyone else.
this album is doo doo butter
DOPE ALBUM
I feel bad for you DX, giving this the same rating as Section.80 and W.A.R. The production is great and all but the lyrics are just lacking the greatness I expected from them (well not kanye, I never expect much from him on the mic). If Royce doesnt get a 4 for Success is Certain I propose a boycott. I cant wait to see the comments for that page… LEGENDARY
great solid album, its something, something different and there aint nothing wrong with that
the beat
I bet most of yawl didn’t even catch Jay’s response to Beans and 50 Cent on the album. Or his response to the devil shit. Or how Jay and Ye are telling you niggas to wake the fuck up and stop killing eachother over bullshit.
“When you see me, see yourself” Jay Z
Its fire. PURE fire.
Who Gon Stop me and N*ggas in Paris.
Can’t save everybody. Any back to listening to WATCH THE THRONE!
Glad some of us hear the jewel in this album. Way ahead of its time and rap music is finally catching up to the evolution. @iamjpeezy
better than all the other shit on the radio
This album is garbage. It’s not classic. Only what I say is a classic can be a classic. hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate.
Shit go ham for real. And it’s a deep album. WHO GONE STOP THEM!
HUH?
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it’s a solid album not great or a classic to me but i do like it
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Dope ass album. One, maybe two tracks could’ve been left off but dope nonetheless.
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If you really think hell the sequel is better… lol
“Stop me now ‘fore I get on roll, Danish”
-Eminem
if u really think that u r making a point here lol
dumbass it’s stupis to dick ride an artist jay z turned gay z in this album the whole shit sounded like 2 guys were busy sucking each other off.. and ofcourse even if u don’t like em then it’s stupid and weird how u can remember a wack line from his song and actually quote it.. i mean did u actually heard the song and came back and said to yourself that hey if i post this shit on a web page then i’ld look smart dumbass this shit has 4 good songs 2 were already released i wasted my money on this shit gay z’s flow is wack as shit on this garbage
bad meets evil > watch the throne
but ofcourse maybe that’s what u like hearing 2 gay dudes sucking each other off while u jerk off looking at beyonce hehe i mean man just cum out off the closet already
ITS A CLASSIC mCLASSIC
I love Wayne but this is the shit I need. Gotta have balance. I love classical and rock music too so this WTT shit is great for me.
And I love the black empowerment messages throughout the album.
i stayed up sun to download it. @ 1st listen (and skipping around tracks, and thru iphone speakers) i was VERY disappointed. then, i decided to listen in its entirety through my headphones…. MAJOR difference! i’ve been rockin it since. haven’t played anything else.
Way overrated!
We gone take it to mooon take it to the starrrsss…
Classic, soulful, grown..things you dont normally hear about most rap albums. they coulda made an album all about stuntin and being fly, a while there is that on there too, the amount of emotion and real subject matter, faith, philosophy, unborn sons, black on black violence, black excellence, relationships, introspection, inspiration, aspiration can all be found over production that is way ahead of anything else out..so YES ITS A CLASSIC
NO IT’S NOT. It’s a good album. Classic my ass though.
How the fuck is this rated 4 stars? easily the best album in past 10 years. when u mix two of hip-hops best Mcs u get Watch The Throne. 5 star album, fuck tha haters
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…….the best album in 10 years. You fucking crack head. Decent album, yes, classic album, fuck no.
Dope beats,let’s wait and see how many units they push
RZA owns!!! Thank you…
I rock with the album, it’s another space, makes me want to grind harder at the things that matter most in life
easily a 4.5 album. I just didnt like Lift Off at all. There are a lot of lyrical gems in that album though. Every time you play it, there’s something new you didn’t catch before
Mediocre album.. Not really spectacular lyrically or from a production standpoint.
I can understand people saying it’s a 5, when they’re blinded by hype and expectation, but this album is not that good.
Classic? Please. Ahead of it’s time? Now that’s funny.
Jay stuck to the formula he set with BP3 of just backpacking onto what’s hot at the time. Prime example is “Niggas In Paris”. If a southern artist made the song, it would be neglected; but since Jay and Kanye did, it’s now “incredible”. A few gems on the album don’t overcome the overall shallow rap that brings the rest of the product down.
The icing on the cake is Kanye’s constant overproduction that can literally turn gold to sparkling shit.
There’s really no need to “watch” anything. This album is not groundbreaking by any means. Get a grip of yourselves, fanboys.
“Jay stuck to the formula he set with BP3 of just backpacking onto what’s hot at the time. Prime example is “Niggas In Paris”. If a southern artist made the song, it would be neglected; but since Jay and Kanye did, it’s now “incredible”. A few gems on the album don’t overcome the overall shallow rap that brings the rest of the product down. ”
How is he just backpacking on whats hot if his turning what other artists can’t seem to do, and making them hot? I think that’s called, setting the trend. Of course, this being the comment section on HHDX, no idea what your talking about.
is every1 on crack, this album sux sooooo bad
Classic!!
5 stars
really good cd but why does it have to be compared with bad meets evil and especially the “before I get on a roll, Danish” line…that was a stupid line, no doubt but you could pick apart the lyrics on watch the throne too if you really wanted and I could also throw in a few of eminems verses from that album that neither of them would be able to hold a candle to. but the point is not to compare to something completely different. watch the throne is a really good cd..couple songs I don’t love on it but for the most part I can play it all the way through…liftoff gets skipped almost everytime though and a few of the beats like niggas in paris and welcome to the jungle I didn’t really like..and all that religious/black history month shit on the chorus in made it in america is just nonsense….not one of these dudes sat in the back of the bus..get the fuck over what your grandma went through as a child…nobody is racist towards blacks anymore…white people walk on damn egg shells to not offend everyone in this day and age but other than the typical bitching about white people this was a great album..not every song can be a classic like some people are lead to believe
I agree with ya for the most part about the album…but i got to say i love it how white people expect everybody to know their history, culture, and heritage. But when us black folk want express our own culture heritage, and history (and God forbid take pride in it) a lot of white people will tell us to “get over it” and “that’s in the past”. It’s kinda hard to get over it when our parents and grandparents lived during jim crow laws, and great great grandparents were alive when slavery was still around. GUILT IS A BITCH I GUESS ha
i love how there’s so much hate for this album on hhdx, but critically and commercially it’s doing insanely good. People are still going to buy the album, and it’s getting good reviews, so i guess keep hating for your piece of mind you faggots, because it’s not going to make a difference, you’re wasting your time.
How anyone could possibly fail to see the greatness in this album is beyond me…
true?
Hiphop Dx got it right w/dis editorial..Watch the Throne is a good albulm (jus like majority of albulm dropped in ’11) but it isnt a classic..MBDTF is better and ofcourse, Jay’s old classics r better too..I feel like dis LP doesnt have enough bangers on it. Lift off cud’ve been so much better but dey messed it up
fav tracks: Murder to Excellence, primetime,love you so
my rating:4/5(or 3.9 too)
To All You Haters:
Nobody wants to hear an ALBUM with nothing but conscious tracks. You risk alienating the rest of an entire hip-hop demographic that doesn’t really listen to it. Besides, that album would suck!!!
“Welcome to the Jungle gives an introspective view of all of your hot rappers out now. I also like how Jay mentions Tupac indirectly (3 shots in the door, it died in Vegas, though it fought hard, I know it wouldn’t make it).
“Lift off” is that monumental ballad that every good ALBUM needs. Beyonce bodies this. I was mad at first that I didn’t really get verses on here. But after a second listen, I realize that it would only take away from the strong point of the track (sometimes less is more).
Otis is that catchy single that gets put out first. What caught me is the rhyme pattern in jay and ye weave in and out on. Some feel as though they are too cocky on this track, but what rapper isn’t? Braggadocio is merely an element of hip hop, live with it. Even in it’s purest form (the battle) they were claiming how much better they were against the next lyricist. I mean, trappers, conscious, and every other type of rapper display this to some form or another.
The last track “Why I love You,” is that battle track that is lofted indirectly (in true Jay form). I really think this was meant for Beans. (tried to make kings but all they wanted to be was soldiers, b b b bustin at me).
Lastly, this album more than delivers for the time period (planking on a million, that sh!t cray). I for one respect a rappers that can rap about what is really around them and keep it fresh and relevant enough to keep me tuned in. On this note, Ye gives a finger to all his haters and answers every critic that had something to say (south park reference, make his son a republican).
lol u dumb
Shut up and stop talking like you work at a record label or something you a fan just like us so don’t tell anyone what kinda tracks albums need, now go back to your job at footlocker
man these haters wont change they mind…let us who know what good music is enjoy it and not stress about culture killers! watch the throne!
album is good. i agree mostly with the review
Kanye killed JayZ…its safe to say Kanye > Jay now
album is very decent, but it is hollow. Too much Kanye production as well, but Made in America is inspiring. 3/5
disapointment.. jayz just retire, kanye stick 2 making sampled beats
Jay < Ye
I think that is going way too far. ye definitely outperformed jay on this album but why do people or even jay himself expect him to compete with Kanye on beats that sound like they could be on MBDTF? Jay has his niche and Kanye has his but if ur just breaking down the mechanics and skill of their respective rapping styles Jay is a much better rapper. The production was great on the album and Kanye did an above average job it just felt like jay was out of sync on almost all of the beats. 3.5 stars only because of fantastic production.
ALBUM IS CRACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU THE THRONE!!!!!!!!!!!
10/10!
FULEBRONLAMES
Great album. 4/5
Not a classic based off album alone but it was very good and the media hype surrounding it will have it etched in our memories for years to come.
3
thatshitcray
Dickriders VS Haters
but honestly this has to be biggest rip in the hip hop community being argued by jay/Ye dickriders against the ones who aren’t confused by the overly produced trash.The majority of the ones who agree that this album sucks are actually unbiased opinions being labeled as haters.I dont know what the hell u dickriders are hearing, there was crap for chemistry, overrated overly produced beats,lyrics were were crap(admittedly there was a few good lines).
seriously I want my damn money back!
co-sign. a lot these so called “haters” are just disappointed Kanye and Jay fans and have been supporting them for years. Nothing wrong with that. If you been buying their albums all these years and know what their capable of, we have the right to be disappointed.
Since when has a faggot like you the right to dictate what others have to like? Go bump your shitty underground music that hasen’t changed since the 90’s and is made for people who can’t accept that the world moves on. The only thing overrated are these dumb ass ”true” Hip Hop albums that try to recreate a sounds that feels way out of place in this day and time. This the work of true legends who’ll influence whole generations, only dumb fucks like you aren’t able to appreciate music and you’re so fucked up in your mind that you discredit artists and musicians who actually have success telling yourself that anyone who hasn’t more than 1000 fans is great. FUCK OUTTA HERE! Jay is the greatest rapper to ever touch a mic and would still rap circles around 95% of all this garbage ass underground niggas who wouldn’t be able to make a decent career in 100 years. Shit, they wouldn’t even feel motivated to touch the mic if Jay didn’t pave the way for them. What’s so fucking hard about listening to music with an unbiased mind?
IM JUST WAITING FOR WATCH THE THRONE 2!
LOL Yea me too! I think they are going to do some more projects together!
they must do some more stuff together: to take grammys back from those wack-ass pop bitches
Yesterday, I thought the album was wack. Today after really listening to it with better audio equipment, this album is incredible. It’s futuristic with a twist of hip hop and noticable evolution between the two artist. There are a few tracks that could have been left off but overall, it’s a really good album. 4.5 Stars no doubt! New Day and Primetime are the best tracks so far. Me and the Rza connect!
I dont like the album at all, they experimented with it too much.
its like the same dude on here changin his name tryin to convince muhfuckas this shit wack..ha..u a lame..giv it up..nigz namin ten songs they like and shit..u sound stupid..and this album is the definition of hot..
The Joint is weak, no hate, it just is
Damn, I am surprised that DX didn’t give this a 5 or some new higher rating, as much as they love to ride both of these dicks. I haven’t had a chance to peep the whole thing yet so I will refrain from my displeasure until I can form a better opinion.
Thank you HipHopDX for finally getting a review RIGHT. Everything said here is pretty much spot on and I completely agree that had it been any two other artists, noone would have cared as much. Now if you really want to make things right, go give 4.5X’s to Section.80, because it’s ridiculous that Free Agent is still your site’s best reviewed album of 2011.
Didn’t Saigon get 4.5, I’m just saying
Nope, they gave Saigon’s a 4 as well. Here’s proof: https://hiphopdx.com/index/album-reviews/id.1618/title.saigon-the-greatest-story-never-told
album needs more than one listen to grasp… the simple minds will judge quickly
this album is fire, musically you can tell they traveled and were insipried by different sounds, you can hear them in the samples of many songs on the album. This album wont be apppreicated until people see whats going on in America to blacks
i agree simualr to reasonable doubt
In no fucking way is it similar to Reasonable Doubt. Have you lost your fucking mind?
hahahaha funniest thing I’ve read in a long time..
u r cray
most people didnt like reasonable doubt when it came out either dick.. it took almost 10 years to go platinum, like this cd most metophors and lines and the overall music just went over the avg listeners head until people starting seeing things.. now it (RD) makeS more since in 2011 then it did in 96. in 5 years this CD (WTT) will have the same affect
This depiction of the album almost dead on! It’s the best review they’ve done, that I’ve seen! This album is very solid bordering greatness, it does have about 3 missteps but I would say 13 or 14 tracks are dope on here! Honestly if u say this album is wack then you A Just won’t attention B maybe have something against these 2 as artists or people or C Just don’t know music because it’s at work a good album. Wack & trash does not go with Watch the Throne at all
Barack Obama is a horrible Leader Lebron James is a horrible basketball player Michael Vick should be a WR and yada yada yada the Media loves to hate on Black Greatness Its by far the best Album ive heard, ever and im 31. It always amazes me how many people just don’t get it but I guess that’s why people like Waka Flaka and Sarah Palin…
You could have used a better example Obama is not the greatest, leader stimulus plan alone was a huge failure.
LeBron isn’t loved because he left his hometown to play with other superstars and most people want to compete with the best instead of joining them.
Michael Vick should not have taken care of his entire family; people did not learn from Hammer.
Obama Graduated from Harvard Law which means he is way smarter than you myself and 98% of the population….Lebron Dunks on entire teams most hyped player to ever live up to the hype Numbers don’t lie Kobe and Phil got swept by the Mavs…When Vick got out of Jail for some Bullshitt all ESPN would talk about is him being a reciever but put up most fantasy points ever at QB..Just realize your one of those people that don’t get Hov and Yeezy have given Jewels via music for years and if you can’t grasp that you should just give up on whatever it is you wanna do with your life…Album is CRAY but its a black thing so you won’t understand
i thinnk the album is dope, but at the end of like 4 or 5 of the songs a piano beat is played and it kinda creeps me out a bit.. the reason it bugs me out is cause i dont understand it.
People that do not like Jay from 2003 to now strictly do not understand his references.
“Wasn’t I a Good King”
its jay and kanye the ratings dont have shit to do with the album
killer mike album is way better if you let the streets tell it
Good album!
Who gon stop me, New day, Why i love you, Illest motherfucker alive and H.A.M. are my favourite tracks
once again another classic album
Great Album
Dope album
I am going to say this sucks because everyone will listen to it and Popular music sucks; but wait why is it popular?
Underground Fan Whose Favorite Rapper Mentions Jay-z When Dropping an Album says “Because its an Agenda that they have pushed on everyone”
R.I.P. Jay-Z 1996-2003
ahahah, mindless drone
Wow you must be related to Skip Bayless this album is banging the street meets talented tenth
kanye should have made this album without Jay Z. Album sounds as MBDTF part 2
Retire Jay-Z you are boring as hell!
STFU Hater. You’re never old for this game.
people c’mon… get it straight this album is good, very very good. people need to clear their dumb hating heads and stop listening for things that they can complain about. Listen to it a couple times and just enjoy this good music. (no pun intended). ya’ll are very silly and have pathetic music knowledge if you are ‘disappointed’ by this album.
co-sign
totally agree
why do people give all the producers credits to kanye? every track almost was produced by 3 or 4 producers.
dont act if kanye did it all
CLASSIC 5 MIC ALBUM
more money, more pop rap!
So much hype for a dissappointing album.
Overproduced only a few good lyrics. Boring flow by Jay-Z.
Album is 3 stars!
fuck this justin bieber pop rap shit
R.I.P. Jay-Z 1996-2003
R.I.P. Kanye West 2004-2004
more bulshit lyrics about i got money etc. We know!
i bet you listen to wayne and the rest of ym dont you? keep listening to that shit and leave the great shit like this to real hip hop fans
I agree with this all day but give kanye till 2007
smh
Stop talking about the streets folks. Aint neither one of them dudes worried about making a street album. Hip hop is about the art and doing things differently. This album dont sound like nothing else thats out and thats the fly shit about it. They not making music for the block folks so why expect that?
smh kanye just had the best reviewed album of the decade, how he die in 04′??? some of yall are just pathetic.
If their careers ended that long ago in your mind, then why are you still putting energy into listening and posting negative remarks? Hating cant be your only hustle.
This dude is right, except you gotta give Kanye 2004-2005. Late Registration was a CLASSIC. Graduation is when his lyrics fell the fuck off
look at the present and to the future man. dont get stuck in the past. as far as im concerned, these two rap real now, cus they’re really that rich and powerfuk in this rap game
This cd was weak. I just listened to the entire album. Frank Ocean did his thing, Jay and Kanye’s flows were off. 1/5
These are the kind of albums that hip-hop needs to survive
not 5 stars DX? Whats wrong did Jay-Z did not pay enough money??????
You people are really stuck in the past. This album is by no means bad, the lyrics, concepts and production is great. Now it isnt what i expected, i expected more of a vintage sound but this is a mix of both worlds, new age and classic. Stop hating, and being in the illuminati is not an excuse to say its wack. It’s music, what they do in there personal lives is there business. It’s an art and they both excel as artists, they bring personality to the tracks even if the lyrics arent super complex, yeah Jay is kinda lazy but for someone who dont write stuff down its pretty dam good. Stop talking shit and put out something people wanna hear.
And no Kanye didnt do all the production, he mainly does drums and has people play stuff for him BUT he is a composer and how he comes up with the ideas and puts it all together is what makes him great. I love how the tracks completely switch up half way through the song, nobody does that.
TOUGH
its cool
YOUR ALL DUMB FUCKS, THIS ALBUM IS MONUMENTAL, A CLASSIC, TIMELESS. FUCK YOU. OFWGKTA ROCAFELLA G.O.O.D MUSIC MO FUCKERS
This album is sub par compared to other albums that have been released this year.
Only thing good about the album was the beats, verses on this shit is very forgetable
def man
man u r deaf. period. smh
WTT was a masterpiece, IMO.
these comments are filled with straight hate, enjoy the fucking good music these guys and most artists have been putting out lately smh not everything is gonna be to YOUR standards so all ya just shut the fuck up
Classic
I was actually surprised after I read the ‘wishy-washy’ pre-reviews. Its pretty good. If you go in expecting “Blueprint meets College Dropout” then of course youre gonna hate it. Take out all your inhibitions about what you think it will be and accept it for what it is. ‘Niggas In Paris’, ‘Gotta Have It’, and ‘Made In America’ should be able to be played with anyone anywhere. Overall, solid album. I came away happy with my listen.
i was the same way just accept music for what it is smh not everything is fucking Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt, or Ready to Die, etc. Ppl are fucking stupid and complain about money rap when they go turn right around and listen to wayne or some shit smh
ppl cant expect a blueprint everytime jay drops sth and certainly not a mbdtf everytime yeezy drops sth. those joints dont come around often. and im sick of wayne and his stupid ymcmb shit. those niggas aint half as successful as hova and yeezy and yet they acting like they own this rap game. bitches need to get real
Some hatin ass niggas in here
Great album great production great story and messages. What more do you ask from an album its a break from the norm.
classic 5 outta 5 from me
classic 5 outta 5
great
classic
Nice album, beats go hard. They did a good job mane.
dope
this album gets 3 stars just because of Kanye.
Get a life with yall hating asses, This is still better than 95% of the bullshit that comes out nowadays. A Watch The Throne hater is probably also a Lil Wayne fan, so their opinion doesn’t mean anything.
Lil Wayne is trash. We know this (the learned of us anyway). But Like someone else said, this is not much more than a brand collaboration, that causes people to get hype off the name alone. 2011 Kanye STILL can’t top College Dropout Kanye, and Jay?? Not enough room here to describe how he’s fallen. He’s living in his own shadow at this point. No quality lyricism here. A little creative with the production, but that’s not saying much either. All in all, it’s a miss for me. NOW can I have my Food & Liquor 2 PLEASE??
ive seen better
http://www.talenthouse.com/creativeinvites/preview/aa45247c6cf262008868b6b300ff307e/220
new day is too crazy….beats were something else. murder to excellence……didn’t disappoint either. i was expecting alot worse after hearing H.A.M.
Unfortunately not feeling this joint… Jay’s flows have become so weak, Kanye could never rap anyway.
Production is fine very professional, but I aint feelin the music, the beats, the vibes…
Not my topic at all… MBDTF was way better, but I gotta say I dont like any of Jay’s latest work. 3 stars cause after all it’s still good music man, but there are just better things for me out there.
Bad Meets Evil definitely won this battle for me.
Really excited bout RED and Carter IV now.
Best tracks for me btw are Murder To Excellence and No Church In The Wild.
PROPS to them for having not so many wack-ass features.
You have no taste, how the hell is bad meets evil touching this album, how. Musically or lyrically. Royce 5’9′ is boring, Eminem is depressing. I don’t wanna hear a rich young white male rape about how depressed he is or how angry he is with his life when he literally swim in his money naked. Shyt amazes me. Secondly i know u have no taste whn u put Wayne in The Game in the same as Jay-Z Top 5 dead or Alive as far as I’m concerned. With releases from the Justus Leagues Monter Emcees MEDIAN & PHONTE. Those two dudes are ill and have clasics to their names
This album is nowhere near Bad Meets Evil lyrically. Eminem is fuckin annoyin, yes you are right. But still he fucks Jay everyday. Kanye aint even a rapper.
And Royce, how can u criticize his lyrical skill on that joint for real?
Message-wise both albums are on the level, half of the BME album was about showing off lyrical ability, more than half of WTT is about showing off welth…
Difference is, BME was miles ahead technically in every track.
Weezy has much bigger talent as a musician and lyricists than u think. Just because Kanye acts like a legendary artist – who he aint – ppl think he’s the greatest.
And for Game, he’s probably the realest of them big rappers right now, plus he delivers SO much stuff. No other rapper can fuck with Game right now, he’s the best at this moment, without a single doubt.
RED will destroy everything out now…
The Game is an adequate rapper, but he has the personality of an erratic bipolar women. Em still rips guest appearances but his album have sucked for the last 8 years. Jay-z is Top 5 dead or alive eminem is a good rapper but past his prime way more than Jigga. Last thing, the beats don’t compare at all. Kanye, Rza, 88-Keys, & Swizz beatz absolutely kill BME production squad which is mediocre at best
Game and real? Thank you for the nice joke.
Try a little tenderness…
album sucks
the people have spoken they love the album
6/14 songs were on point. 75% of that answer was due to the beats. Which were perfection at its best. Still Kendrick Lamar owns the album to have of this year. And yes I know its not an album. But it makes this album look like a mixtape. lol Real talk
man…. you can not compare someone like kendrick lamar to kanye and jay…… thats the most absurd thing that’s been said yet. REAL TALK. you effin dumb a s s
No. This is a whole nother world, you dumb fuck. Go listen to music that hasn’t progressed since the 90’s.
If another person says Kendrick Lamar is album of the year lol, I’m keep it real yeah right it’s a solid album but watch the throne is better, Blu- Her Favorite col(u)r is better, Saigon was better, Pharoahe Monch was better,shyt Skyzoo’s mixtape was better jeesh
You said I can’t compare.. For what reason is that. Obviously Im comparing what they put out this year. Which Section 80 Is a more all around solid album. Because it is. Fuck there past cred. That doesn’t mean I have to jump on that wagon because there past shit say’s there great. Fuck that. Kendrick Lamar is a great NEW artist and respectfully put a better bunch of music then these LEGENDS if I must add that to anything I say about them lol. I love opinions. Its so real.
Kendrick Lamar is overrated as well, I mean Rapper big Pooh made a good album in sleepers but was he a great new artist & where is he today? every dog has it’s day. That Section .80 it aight but really is it better than Pharoahe Monch’S W.A.R. or Saigon’ Greatest Story Never Told. Yall so disrespectful, disrespecting legends the way yall do. Yall dudes is so flavor of the moment. If Kendrick Lamar is relevent in 3 to 5 years holla at me. he’s not better than Elzhi or Black Though at this point, yall not pushing that bull on me.
SMH. Did you not read what I put lol W.A.R. And GSNT is irrelevant to this conversation. Im not comparing skills or all around talent, or this is better than that. No!!!!! And Kendrick Lamar will be relevant in that many amount of years to the real hiphop heads. He isn’t talking about bling, trips to paris and all that other bullshit. But he has a stronger message in his rookie year than Jay ever did. And thats the type of music I support. And Elzhi and Black thought are great. But what does that have to do with this. Flavor of the month. That was actually funny. I like to think of it more as ” Breath of fresh air”. Thats what Im looking for. Oh and Elzhi with all his lyrics what makes him unique…. Nada. lol
Album isn’t bad at all, a lot of hate on this site for these two. I don’t understand it. I really don’t think people understand Jay’s lyrics. It makes them think, not something they want to do.
I agree, they like rappers like Lil Wayne’s dumb shit.
Can u stop man?
For fucks sake everybody not liking this album is gonna get bombed by anti-Weezy chants here, wtf u serious?
This the way we treat each other? Is that the way we handle criticism?
I aint even listenin to Weezy, I dont even like him at all though I think he got much better since he’s sober and outta jail, but oh well…
What does Weezy have to do with this album?
You cant even compare Carter IV to this yet… so why bring up his name here?
ye man this is a dope as hell album. i think people just cant get used to the fact that music needs to evolve (as does everything else). these artists are pushing rap music further into the future. people cant expect them to stick to drugs dealing shits forever can they?
I said rappers like him, not just him. Every bad rapper.
God forbid anyone not like this album. Hater this, hater that. Blah, blah. Shut up. I couldn’t wait for this album to be over. Kanye was doing his best to be the alpha-male, while Jay’s lyrics were average at best. They’re styles and skill set did not mesh well, at all. This album was no different than a sneaker collaboration, just the name alone makes people feel obligated to like it. A few songs were good, others not so much. Overall, it’s was an underachievement. The people deserved better than this. Now proceed to tell me where the so-called “hate” is?
i love both mcs and couldnt wait for it to drop, yall are getting the word hate confused with disapointed and yall are lyin to yourselves if u say this is the best they could do
dont expect them to go back to the dope boys rap of the past cuz clearly they’re waay past that nw.
So basically…
BME (lyrics, concepts) > WTT (production, concepts)
no not at all
how much did they pay you for this review?? this album needs to be reviewed by an unbiased individual…definitely not a 4 star album to say its a 4 is to say its above average and it isnt..both have gotten corny and honestly raise your hands if you really even wanted to see this album…..ill take a jay and nas album over this its not shocking at all..the two top sellers off rockafella make an album together..which is cool but at least make it classic dont just drop an album expecting the masses to clamour for it…oooh wait i forgot most people are sheep and will buy and like anything without really listening for quality or content. albums that lack the full spectrum get no love..that means..beats,rhymes,flow,content a perfect mesh of all these elements is what makes for good music..not just the name of the individual…the inclusion of the song h.a.m. in itself keeps this album from being a 4 lol. opinions dont equal hatred either im just speaking how i feel…this album didnt give me chills…it didnt give me that high replay value feeling…and i also dont see people listening to this album 10yrs from now…
TRU DAT!!! nobody is gonna be playing this album 1yr from now!! I a Real Music fan…I like all music north,south,EAST & west…BUT the album is CRAP! AND I’m a Jay & Ye fan..Jus calling it what it is…
I give the album a 3.5 out of 5.
For me at least, this album was over-hyped.
I Like probably half of the songs, if it wasn’t so hyped i would probably like it better. Best songs: Murder to Excellence, N*ggas in paris, Welcome To The Jungle.
For me I cant wait for Red Album, It will silence haters.
Solid album. Some great tracks with a few misses…
the best album ever….!!
not quite ever, but still it’s possible of 2011. lets see how cole world does
They continue to push the envelope, bringing the experimental to mainstream.
I havnt buy the album (imma not spend a dollar for thiat bullshit) ,i even havnt download it (i dont wanna waste my hard drive space), I dont wanna listen to that shit (I dont wanna be deaf,like most of you all)
. Just gave it 1star,I’m a hater, yes, you damn right. Hate n trash me,YES, you just as fake as those two rappers are
You are the reason why I consider discontinuing my time on this site.
it’s actually sad to see u resort to the “im a hater so hate me” shit to get away with all the hate u gonna get. dude you’re just jealous of their success.
You wouldn’t buy it? LMAO. Who the fuck cares? Millions of other people will do it.
“I’m wondering if a thug’s prayers reach
Is Pious pious cause God loves pious?
Socrates asked whose bias do y’all seek?
All for Plato, screech
I’m out here balling, I know yall hear my sneaks”
Reference to Plato’s Euthyphro. The Euthyphro dilemma arises when Socrates asks Euthyphro, “Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?†In other words, (i) do the gods love something because it is pious or (ii) is something pious because the gods love it? Socrates and Euthyphro both agree that (i) is true, but Socrates argues that if (ii) is also true and something is pious because the gods love it then (i) and (ii) together would yield a self-perpetuating cycle in which the gods love the pious because it is the pious and the pious are only pious because the gods love it. The dilemma gets at the of the central questions of morality (sovereignty, omnipotence, freedom of the will, morality without God) and the answer has implications not only for metaphysics and theology but also for epistemology.
For Socrates, truth is subjective and therefore reduced to bias. In other words, there is no objective truth. He was forced to drink a cup of poison hemlock because his views were heretical in Athenian society
Jay has an interestingly way of showing support for Plato: he starts playing ball so we can hear the screech of his sneakers, echoing the above line “all for plato, screechâ€
“I stink of success, the new black elite” This line is in reference to both Perry Ellis fragrances Black AND Elite
“Now please, domino, domino
Only spot a few blacks the higher I go. What’s up to Will? Shout out to O
That ain’t enough we gonna need a million more
“Kick in the door” Biggie flow
I’m all dressed up with nowhere to go”
Domino’s have black spots on them. Jay uses this reference to show how very few blacks he spots as baller as he. Also a reference to Michael Franks’ song All Dressed Up With Nowhere to go. He begins the verse by setting the theme. “It’s a celebration of black excellence†with nice cars, tuxedos, and an opulent atmosphere. However, he later explains that his reality is like a chart of dominos. There are fewer and fewer black people the higher he gets. He’s reached a level of success and is waiting for enough black people to “catch up†so they can all celebrate. There is no celebration when there are only a handful of you “All dressed up, with no place to goâ€â€¦
Thansk you for providing me a bunch of words that will waste my time.
I understand, you probably don’t read in real life so why read things about what you listen to. People wonder why other races hate blacks. Being a D-Boy, dropping out of school, leaving your kids, calling each other the n word (which still is and always will be a derogatory term; which is why you don’t want whites saying it to you) and not becoming successful isn’t hip or cool.
very good analysis. I played that track a couple times over.
Both artist were good but Jay shined lyrically on a lot of tracks. He also said a lot of subliminal deep shit like when he was talking about art and how people to be this sophisticated you had to be European but that thinking is over. He means that money and class are no longer thought of as “white” which is bullshit anyway because no matter your color, you can be cultured.
Excuset the typos ( iPad)
Reading Plato and philosophy doesn’t qualify one as “educated”. I can dead the “pious” cycle (in one of many ways) by asking why it matters what a “god” thinks? This isn’t to discount Hov (who’s nice), but to knock your ego off its high horse for deeming someone “uneducated”. Yogic philosophy is more enriching, anyway (in my humble opinion).
I’m glad some of you GET IT.
“People wonder why other races hate blacks. Being a D-Boy, dropping out of school, leaving your kids, calling each other the n word (which still is and always will be a derogatory term; which is why you don’t want whites saying it to you) and not becoming successful isn’t hip or cool.”
Its obvious if someone dosn’t agree with what your talking about and wants to get under your skin there gonna say something irrelevant. Dude probably said the words thing because he could tell you were smart(in some ways atleast)and knew you’d jump on a fake chance to sound even more condescending. I wasn’t expecting all that racist trash though. Honestly what an ignorant view of a race. Grow up, put your books down and actually get to know people instead of writing bullshit behind a computer screen. Also whats the point of reading plato if you turn around and say wtt is genius lmao.
I’d rather hear sick lyrics in a acapella then trash lyrics over sick beats. Everyone is different i guess.
Not a 4 stars album, but still great.
amazing….
ain’t the greatest but it sholl don’t suck. Its actually good music. Its forward moving music. Nice jolt for hip hop. just expected something different. like expecting pizza but getting a burger instead. not gonna hate for that. still good. 4 stars ****
Jolt for Hip-Hop? Hip-Hop got beat down and left for dead on this album.
“101 people gave it a perfect five”
lol.
Im not going to lie, I was excited for this album because I was expecting a Blue Print album. What I got was supper flossy, we the best, beat our chest the whole album. Kanye had a couple of frisbys on the joint but Jigga’s flow is lazy and he made Kanye Batman the album while he sat shotgun as Robin. Production is just OK. Nothing stood out to me as the banger of the album because everything sounds the same. Best of Both Worlds was a better calabo than this, well not really but Im mad that the 2 biggest rap icons couldn’t produce a masterpiece.
“Want my old shit buy my old album”- appreciate the album for what it is. Listen to the themes and issues it addresses.
c’mon man give ’em a break they addressed some real pressing issues too
Beats are HORRIBLE. You got Yeezy, RZA, and Neptunes all having a hand in some of the worst productions I have ever heard them do. Then you got Ye’ still rapping on his bullshit tip…needs to go back to 2005 when his lyrics meant SOMETHING. Jay-Z is the only thing this album has going for it, and he isn’t even spitting at full capacity. What a load of crock shit
Production was awesome, why front?
The lyrics were so-so. Given the amount of hype, they didn’t disappoint but they could’ve went harder lyrically.
Very true, the beats are terrible.
SWAG.
the best
The people that hate this album probably were expecting some club bangers/ignorant shit. The concepts on here are incredible. I think the music is refreshingly different.
I think this is a funny statement, cuz you looking at us as the ones who like the club shit and want that ignorant hip-hop when actually we looking at yall like that. I as well as al ot of the people i have spoken to about this album were expecting more substance as less “rich nigga rap.” Thats some funny shit.
wow reading some of these comments amaze me. How can you honestly say production is awful on this album? do you recognize who’s producing these songs? Every song on this album is and will be a hit so haters of kanye and jay z you guys can jump off a bridge
For the most part, I would have to agree with you. The album is dope as fuck. The beats are well crafted. Period.
i totally agree with you. it’s so sad that there are haters who don’t appreciate good music.
jayz fans are the biggest cock suckers
I’m not a fan of Jay’s new shit, but his raps on this album were phenomenal. I think Kanye’s production was also really really dope. I just think Kanye should have stuck to production. Also, the few bits of autotune were not necessary.
YA MUST NOT BE LISTENING TO THE MUSIC! THIS ALBUM IS NICE. PRODUCTION IS NICE ALSO….JUST GIVE IT A FULL LISTEN PUT YOUR HATE TO ASIDE FOR KANYE WEST AND JAY AND YOU WILL LOVE IT
The opinions of this album are going to show a clear separation between the true hip-hop heads and the followers.
FUCK GAAAAAAAAAAAAY ZZZZZ ..! WEAK RAPPER!
Dogshit– Melle Mel, Guru and Chuck D. all died in vain.
I agree w/AxeMurder CRAP!!!…AND all yall Blog writers are co-signing this album, as if this is a GREAT album. instead of calling it what it is PURE CRAP!! I’ve heard way better music from both rappers. & I’M a Jay & YE,FAN
It’s a solid 4 mic album needle dyck, listen to the music don’t skim through it
neggaz love to hate….pity do no value they kings!
some songs were so so.. but isnt it refreshing to hear something besides southern style beats. fuck every song sound the same nowadays. why i love u is the dopest song on the cd.
this album was garbage
Did y’all rate this 4 X’s just because it’s Jay & Ye? Cuz the album is hor-ri-ble.
Agreed …
stop listening to rap you guys hav no tatse
stop posting to blogs you can’t spell
The album didn’t live up to the hype. Is it terrible? No. Is it classic? Hell no. It’s a solid album with some bangers, but too many throwaway tracks. It’s a “good for the moment” album, and will be hot until the mainstream artist drops, (Lil Wayne i guess).
100% Agree! my sentiments Exactly…except for the lil wayne thing lol TAKE CARE gonna be BOMB Tho
been a pretty good turn in hiphop.Kanye and Jay nailed the production; sounds alot like graduation type stuff, and thats what hiphop needs. i think they were kinda soft lyrically but none the less a good album. em and rd5’9 gave us real rap (lyrically) and different production, beats didnt go as hard as wtt. Both albums kill all this crap out nowa dayz. The two albums give us all finally good hiphop to listen to. Been a good summer.
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Expected more because I know they can come with more. Kanye is way too over the top with beats. A Solid 3-4 songs and that is it. People giving this high remarks just because of the 2 names on the Album, I’m a fan of both but that album is so-so.
-Not Worth the Money
*Honest Opinion*
Its GOOD NOT GREAT!! CAN’T Compare to MBDTF imo
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this album isnt the best album ever, its one of the best, it isnt better than “My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy” or “Blueprint” but it is on the same level as far originality, lyricism and presentation. jay proves at 40+ he is still the best rapper ever! kanye proves he can make classics every time out. niggas are hating on this album because they expected waka flocka production with rakim lyrics. what u got was a true artistic expression on the highest level. they didnt make this album to sell millions thats why they protected the shit so hard. they set a narrow path for real artist to follow. niggas would be scared to make a album like this cause they fear it would flop but where they are in their careers that fear doesnt exist…
Co-Sign! This album is the will be remembered as the greatest of this decade. Absolutely amazing work from two incredible artists. This is creative music at it’s best. Shame that people are too dumb to realize what they’re witnessing. The Beatles of Hip Hop.
nigga jay aint the best stfu….get off that niggas dick
i agree with u. ppl just love 2 hate on em cos they’re overated.
Legends! Kanye = greatest producer and Jay = greatest rapper. This could be nothing short of a true CLASSIC. This album is straight FIRE! Monumental like the review said. It’s waaaay ahead of it’s time, people will see it as a modern day Illmatic in 10 years. A shame that it gets so much hate just because their names are Kanye and Jay and it’s the thing to do to go against the grain.
Oh don’t be mad baby, don’t be maaaaddd baby.
JAY
WEEZY
YE
ROSS
MILLY
WALE
JADAKISS
DRIZZY DRAKE
Cole
Pusha T
Tyga
ALL HOT!
Lame suckas:
Dr.Dre
Eminem
Game
50 Cent
Fuckit ALL of Interscope’s artist
Switch Em and Game with Pusha T and Tyga and I’ll agree with u, Em would rip any rapper apart right now! Did you even listen to Hell:the sequel?? It’s ur list and opinion and I respect it, but Em is no “lame sucka” Oh, and i would also add Tech N9ne to the “hot” list
Eminem is alright but I miss how loose he use to be. And yes I know he’s older now but he also doesn’t seem like he ever wants to be loose or have fun or just calm down. The boy use to be bananas.
“I’m standing on top of my monopoly board. That means I’m on top of my game.”
“No wait stop me now fore i get on a roll, danish.”
“I guess thats why they call it window pain.”
“I’m a shit stain on the underwear of life.”
“Quit playing with the scissors n sgit n cut the crap.”
these are jus off the top
lol yeah Em would rip any rapper right now..
hows that dick of his taste?
^ LOLOLOL!!!!!! You got me rolling over here. Please Hammer, I mean Em, DON’T HURT EM!
the hah faggot go climb up ur moms hairy asshole bitch…anonymous eat a bag of dicks bitch nigga
LOLOLL! 40 Club mad yawl. Oh don’t be mad baby don’t be maaad!
get rid of wale, weezy rick ross too! they r definetly not better than game, dr dre, and eminem.
YES they are better. Dre and the boys are running on flats right now. No more excuses for them. At least 50 can still pick a decent beat.
Tyga sucks balls and Wale is an interscope artist idiot
In my opinion, first listen, the album didn’t hit… its sounded so “different” from everything else out there (I get 9th Wonder for his comments on that). Then listened to it again, and now can’t stop playing it. Some songs are better than others but overall, this is a super dope album. We always complain about all the music sounding the same today, and all these radio tracks. Far more than anything, they were able to push hip hop forward, by changing its sound abit – and making that new sound sound good. Mr. West, though I love this guy as a rapper, best shined as a producer while Jay Z, who IMO in the past has been out shined by Ye lyrically, definitely brought his A-game lyrically. I’d be interested to hear if those that disliked the album, only listened to it once. Shame if that’s the case.
Kanye was weak as shit, jay z carried the whole album
2.5/5
Ye’s ghostwriters must be on strike…
Nope. Yezzy taught them well, Yezzy thought them well.
blaw
I think the album was mediocre. Sounds like two old rappers trying to stay relevant. I believe that the expectations were set so high for this collab album that everyone overhyped it and “thinks” that it’s so great. I expected better lyricism, but I must say the beats were sick.
These 2 are capable of a lot more, some songs were good, but it had portions of ithat were borderline whack! It’s good, but i would say it’s the second best duo album of the summer behind Hell: The Sequel by Bad Meets Evil, I definitely expected more outta ‘Ye and Jay
I thought it was good, border great…only listened to it three times, but I still like “Dark/Twisted” as a more cohesive album.
“HAM”, “In Paris”, and “Gotta Have It” are my favs
Dark/Twisted sounds exactly the same as wath the throne, how could one be ranked higher than the other
What did people expect? Reasonable Dropout? This is great and nothing else. Just that you try so hard to hate basically shows everyone how amazing this is. All the guys who hate prove them. Your enemies define your greatness!
That Lift Off joint is hot niggas. Yawl better keep listening, shit gone have you bopping before you know it.
the more i listen to it the more i despise it lmao
Again, all the lyrics fly way over people’s head. Way more substance than the blatant obvious concious albums.
Exactly. Co-Sign 100%
Overrated. it was a good album but nothing special. My Beautiful dark twisted fantasy is way better.
3.5
Love the name dog. Lol.
lmao u just made my day with that name man
Those albums rate the same to me bro but to each it’s own
forgot to vote
Forgot to think too.
The production is really good on this album. 45% of the 200 voters gave it a perfect 5.
I saw on another sight that this album may go gold in its first week. How can anyone tell that in only one day?
Because it’s digital. You know computers can add pretty fast;p
word.lol.
Average. Not bad but, definitely not going in the rotation.
What rotation? Madonna, Briteny Spears? LOL! Just fucking with you. Not.
Overrated. Ok album.
WHAT! I WILL overRAPE YOUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take it back, apologize! BIOOOOOTTCCCCHHHH!
What do you call garbage from superstar musicians? GARBAGE
Jay just dropped the verse of the last five years on New Day. Still the most lyrically advanced artist this genre ever had. A shame that don’t get most of the shit he says because they dismiss it as mainstream garbage.
Classic.
Go listen to the whack ass shit-talking Nas did on a break beat that sounded like a leftover from Paid In Full. This is music for thinking people.
this Roc nation intern on here calling himself “anonymous” look here fam, you can’t force ppl to appreciate something more than it deserves..ur bosses did what they could but this album is all over the place, over produced, souless, gimmicky, it has its high points but the lows really pulled it down. its a 3/5 for me
You mad bro? Did the album “scare” you? LOL! Ol’ salty ass nigga taking shit personal over some music. LOLOL!
Child please.
Learn to appreciate music.
lol ur the one trolling dumb ass, too much jizz in ur brain to find a better job
lol, Anonymous why are ur feelings hurt? its not ur album
Yawl mad cuz this is WAAAYYYYY better than that Bad Meets Evil pointless album. Oh look at me speed rap about absolutely NADA.
yall cant call me wateva but believe me theres no chemistry between them…one wants to b betta dan anotha 1… just sayin..i know yall had dat in da bak of ur mind ages ago…kanye want to get dat so called “throne” dat gay z thinks he’s sittin on it…. no substance,,,,kanye need to go bak to dat dipset immunity prod style and hit our soul…
The only thing that has no substance is your wanna be criticism. This album has more substance than all the concious albums of the last few years put together, shit, even New Day alone is better. This album has everything that defines a classic, only people like you who’re against progression don’t want to see it, because they’re scared that HipHop could have a new sound.
^^^ Anonymous man shut up..many ppl have brought ground breaking work to the fore..this is hardly innovative…what new sound? kanye’s albums are better than this…it is a cool album but will be irrelevant in a month
I been sayin’ the same. They don’t have that natural chemistry like a Red/Meth, AZ/Nas, Ghost/Rae or early Em/Royce. This album is just one big business venture. Otherwise this album woulda dropped when Jay was in his prime just after the Black Album and when Kanye was making his best music around Late Registration. An album back then woulda been a problem. Not so much now.
Imagine Jay spitting like he did on The Black Album on Kanye’s best beats. That would’ve been out of this world.
Hot!
NEW DAY,,,NIGGAS IN PARIS,,,,WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE,,,,,,,,,,,,
GOTTA HAVE IT,,,MURDER TO EXCELLENCE,,,,,
WHATS THAT LIKE FIVE OUTTA SIXTEEN I CAN COUNT,,,
SMARTEN UP JAY,,,LOLOLOL,,JUST BULLSHITTIN,,,,,THEY BETTER
WORK THE SHIT OUT OF THESE SINGLES,,,
We gone take it to the moon, take it to the starsssss
LIFT OFF, NIGGAS HEAR WATCH THE THRONE
NOW THEY PISSED OFF
The next time I log on here I better see 5 STARS, you heard me? FIVE BITCH!
This is a hot album. I think certain people expected too much. Just about every song is good to great. I didnt really like the 2ndd last song but thats it. That’s My Bitch has got to be my favorite track….KWEST = HOt ish, as does Jigga nigga
5 stars!
Not their fault that people expected Reasonable Dropout.
3.59 user rating??
And the player hater of the year award goes to….. HIP HOP DX public who voted on WATCH THE THRONE!!
HATE HATE HATE HATE
soooo true. this is one of the better albums i’ve heard in awhile. i give it a 9/10
So true bro, wtf people are made disrespectful
winning!
Hall thi hating reminds me of the hate Blueprint 2 got, but u know what I still listen to that album alot, very slept lik this will be considered when it’s all sd & done
Amazing album. Fire throughout the whole album
amazing!!!!
they coulda made ten solid cohesive tracks and had a classic easily but they had to be all over the place sonically. so sad. i had great hopes..3/5…kanye needs to stop listening to jay-z…dude is a music scam artist
I overrate it just like people do every underground album on here.
^^^^ ppl throw the word hater around carelessly but man u r a hater for real. congratulations lol
Perfect review! Just above average. The chemistry and beats got it going. Lyrically, both MCs fall short.
the people have spoken.
Solid effort from two of the greatest to ever do it
Type ‘WTT HULKSARE’ in google (Without The Quotes, ofcourse). Click On the result and on the resulting page, click download. There you Have it…WATCH THE THRONE! If you like the album, buy it…else, delete.
Type ‘WTT HULKSHARE’ in google (Without The
Quotes, ofcourse). Click On the result and on the
resulting page, click download. There you Have
it…WATCH THE THRONE! If you like the album, buy
it…else, delete.
wait a minute 116 people voted this as a perfect 5?! Oh dear (-_-)
guy, the thing taya me too. make dem carry go
in 2-3 weeks this album will be platinum the people have spoken so why care about 30 to 40 people on a website who dont like it
r u talking to urself?
With the high expectations it had,WTT was always going to dissapoint many of you.But for real,this album is on another level.All those who hate it are afraid of something fresh.
who else can drop a album with tour dates lined up already real talk
Watch the Throne is A Good Ass Album… But People will hate on anything… everybody doesnt have to agree. If you like it Bang it if you don’t Don’t. Simple as That
the best ever…word
Best CD since Big Boi’s Sir Lucious Leftfoot!!! Jay so much better than every rapper which is so evident on this cd and Kanye is the best producer in the game and steps his spit game up to another level!!! If u ask me 55555 MICS!!!
Half the DX Users find this album innovative, fresh, and BRILLIANT. The rest aren’t ready for the Evolution.
If there’s one gripe in this entire album it’s the lyrical content. Solid, but nothing substantially outstanding.
projected to sell 450,000 first week damn
the source 4mics hiphopdx 4 stars allhiphop 9/10 450,000 first week
yay, that tells me how to feel about it now!
450,000>your name here
^^^ lol evolve man. the complexity of what it takes to move those numbers is clearly lost to you…that has nothing to do with how a person feels about the album. its a good album…i dont need to guzzle the artists’ cum to know that….i give it a 3/5, my opinion
so 450,000 in the first week and people dont like it?
yeah only albums that sell 35,000 in the first week are allowed to recieve praise you move big numbers that means people dont like it
yeah man the complexity to buy a cd is amazing people have no idea
This was a major let down. Back to bumping Hell: The Sequel, the true dynamic duo. Em and Royce Shit all over the Throne, Real Talk Bro
Two boring past their prime rappers, I enjoyed the Cool Kids album more than BME, Royce and Em put me to sleep
“haa….alf”
Two words, dope line.
Will Carter 4 and the R.E.D. album be better than this? NOOOOOOOO.
That’s why KW & JZ are the best hiphop artists nowadays, their album is straight fire.
Nz in Paris, HAM and Illest Mofo Alive are better than any southern track out today. The Franky collabos? Are you kidding, straight classics. Murder to Excellence is a bit of conceptual with 2 beats on the same track – best Swizzy beat ever – not to mention the real real talk they provide. Welcome to the Jungle got excellent verses from Jigga, but this time the Swizzy beat is just a regular Swizzy beat. The Joy and That’s My Bitch brings the old school back very well, Primetime is classic No ID. Lift Off to me feels just like All of the Lights, so good. Otis is a classic work from the duo – if they wanted to go that road the whole album everybody would be crazy cause that’s what rap lacks today: Soulful mainstream production, I don’t stand Lex Luger/808 beats no more; their braggadocio is just to show that they’re kings and they have more anything you want than you. Compare any electro-rap song – Pitbull’s Give Me Everything or Written in the Stars – to Who Gon Stop Me is. They feel so lame. Why I Love You its right too, perfect sample and the reflection “Why do we love hiphop, you so lame nowadays, but we keep loving you, WHY?” that’s why Jigga asks if he was a good king, cause look where his people took his kingdom.
New Day, aw. Instant classic.
And that’s why Watch the Throne is the best rap album out there and one of the best of this decade.
finally someone that knows from wht is real from fake..lol
wayne and the game are two fakes rapper they just rapper trying be gangster come on now..-_-
kanye and jay are the best in the rap game i dont give a fuckk wht anyone says….
Listened to it all the way through, Yeezy and Jay went IN. Album is a top 10 of the year.
Some people tryna say this wasn’t that good. Those people, don’t like Hip-Hop.
It was aiite… Waiting for that Game album though, that shit gon’ be crack
thats all its gonna be about crack lol
so you can hear him drop names and other peoples lines
^^^ this album had other ppl’s lines bro
asd
illest motherfuckers alive what a fuckin song
jayz took it
whole album came weak if you ask me… Solid 3. Should have been epic.
All are great albums from Distant Relatives to Hell: The Sequel and Watch The Throne. All of them were great for Hip Hop.
new name for jigga cum drinkers…victims of marketing
if you mother likes a artiist is she a cum drinker also?
^^^ cum drinkers dont like jigga, they drink his cum. are you a jigga cum drinker? i noticed this offended you
Kanye went in on this. Jay sounded phoned in.
Please don’t bring the sales talk in here. We all know that guys like Jay/Kanye, Em , Dre(when he decides to drop)could spit over wet farts and still go gold first week. These guys are all brand names now. Brands to the point where their music takes a back seat because of who they are. One of Jay’s worst albums (BP3)is one of his best selling. No matter how ugly a pair of Jordan’s are you know they’re gonna fly off the rack.
please if it sold 10,000 you will saying it was a flop
true shit
You niggas know you like this album, shut up.
This shit STILL wasn’t greater than The Roots’ last 3 jawns COMBINED!! Oh shit, lemme go smoke my crack right quick.
Too experimental. This should be a definite classic. I understand they’re trying to do something that hasn’t been done, but just cause it hasnt been done doesnt mean you should experiment on the whole album. SUbpar and i’m disappointed i paid for it.
I don’t know why people hating on this. Beats are fuckn sick, rapping is tight album is fucking dope!!
Its on straight repeat in my car.. name how many albums lately have got u doing that…
Not many, if any… Distant relatives & Lasers are probably the only two for me
Watch the Throne real hip hop!! As well as James Exsel!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARtS2bU1vZE
I’ve really never heard anything like this album before. It’s very original and for lack of a better word….EPIC. A modern day classic
THIS ALBUM IS THE SHIT!
all i can say is thank you oh and the deluxe version is a must fuck sosa
THESE ARE MY 2 FAVORITE ARTISTS SO I LOVE THE ALBUM STRAIGHT UP!!!!!!
Let me break it down….
1.They purposely made sure they didn’t have a single that was radio friendly, its was a statement saying we can make what we want. That’s good shit
2. The production takes different style beats from different era’s in Hip-Hop history. (Just go listen, that’s why they have RZA, Pete Rock, Neptunes, Swizz, Mike Dean, even took the electronica sound that’s origins are in Detroit, etc.) The samples alo highlight some our best artists of all time.
3. This album is saying “F” white America. Just listen…Quick track breakdown
1. ‘No Church’No explanation needed, talking about not believing in the system
2. ‘Lift Off’Interlude track,basically saying get ready for whats next
3. ‘Niggas in Paris’ This track is talking shit to people who think just because you black in Europe don’t mean you can BALL. Just listen to the skit, its a joke at how whites don’t really understand what the substance in HIP HOP is really about.
4. ‘Otis’ just a little flexing over a sample of one of the best AA artists of all time. Who left us way to early.
5. ‘Gotta Have it’ they get right to the point, F white America. That’s why Kanye comes in with ‘LOLOLOL White America” Discussing how society hates rich blacks. Just peep the sample.
6. ‘New Day’ Just some insight on how they are rea people too, who worry about raising they’re kids.
7. ‘Thats My Bitch” Jay-Z shines on this talking about how black women aren’t given respect as beautiful as they are.
8. ‘Welcome To the Jungle’ talking your way through the hood. Jay highlights the tricky nature of the hood.
9. ‘Who Gon Stop Me’ the name says it all. Kanye shouts ‘millions of our people lost’. Highlighting the the progress of successful blacks.
10. ‘Murder to Excellence’ if I have to explain this then you probably haven’t heard it, or is totally oblivious to the struggle of blacks in America.
11. ‘Made in America’ talking about how we have made a name in America as blacks, but we need to build on it. ‘we need a million more’
12. ‘Why I love you’ Jay talking to Beans and the rest of the camp that he feels are disrespectful to him, and other critics of his legacy.
*wont break down the bonus tracks, but primetime, the joy, and illest alive should have been given to all..Buy this album!!!!!
your hired
ILLEST motherfuckers alive
exactly what i got from the album
that doesnt mean its dope. nice try
that doesnt mean it suck.nice try
i agreeee
Good observations…
*sorry for the typos was moving fast
RED ALBUM AUGUST 23rd
anyway, this album aint bad, havent really listened to the undoubtedly lackluster lyrics but the quality IS there.
i dont think the illuminati appreciated murder to excellence and made in america
that’s cause they not in the illuminati…smh
sarcasm bro
if you listened to the album you would have known that was a joke
so far the songs ive heard are really gay to me , the song with beyonce sounds lame .
Whats with the MOON AND STARS AND MARS BULLSHIT ON EVERY RAP OR POP SONG NOWADAYS ?
ITS FUCKING SO OLD AND PLAYED OUT ALREADY
THEY THINK TALKING ABOUT OUTERSPACE MAKES THE SONG DEEP OR THE LYRICS DEEP HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
thats an interlude bro…nothing more..was suppose to be the intro but felt better with “no church”
CLASSIC NUFF SAID
man jay and ye have so many haters shittt…..this album is a classic in my opinion….every beat is on point production is amazing and we get two of the best rappers to have ever graced the mic together…listen to it people please and stop replaying eminems recovery sheep
how many people you know who can take it this far
SWAG
when the beat changes in Who gonna stop me, its pretty sick..i like. Jay-z murking the shit left right and center.
/ No lies in my verses / Please pardon all the curses / Shit gotta come some way / Fuck, when you growing up worthless / Middle finger to my old life / Special shout out to my old head / If it wasn’t for your advice / A nigga would have been so dead / I’m living life / Til these niggas kill me / Turn this up / If these niggas feel me / I’m riding dirty / Trying to get filthy / Pabalo Picasso / Rothkos, Rilkes / Graduated to the MOMA / And I did all of this / Without a diploma / Graduated from the corner / Yall can play me / For a mother***in fool if you wanna / Street smart / And I’m book smart / Could have been a chemist / Cause I cook smart / Only thing that can stop me is me / And I’mma stop when the hook start / Hold up
i payed for them tities get your own!!
The 5-MIC Album formula is based on actual ground breaking SUBSTANCE, CREATIVITY, LYRICISM to how you flow on the Beat! It is not a bias opion: you have to be able to make a sound judgment despite loving the artist. This is not a classic album. You can not talk about money, your money to how much money you have over bitches. On the flip side, the beats have a southern swag with some possible bangers but it lacks the fire and hunger of a real mc. I almost fell asleep on ‘Illest M#therF#$ker Alive’ to ‘murder to excellence’! Honestly Jay Z’s metorphors is not killer punch lines or platonic in any manor – Over all it is subpar performance, 3.5 mics.
Dude your analysis of what a “classic” is, is way off. I’m not saying this is a classic either. That will not be decided right now, as history shows that classics are defined years later.
They are not talking about “stunting” with their money on this album. They are really just saying f**k the system, and “we black , rich, and proud”…
Just listen to it dude, stop skimming through
shit’s dope
Jay is the greatest rapper ever. Everyone who doesn’t see that after this discography, hates Hip Hop.
you sound stupid, go to your room
power to the people when you see me see you
I stink of success / The new black elite / They say my black card bear the mark of the beast / I repeat / My religion is the beat / My verse is like church / My Jesus piece / Now please, domino, domino, / Only spot a few blacks the higher I go / What’s up to Will / Shoutout to O / That ain’t enough / We gon need a million more / Kick in the door / Biggie flow / I’m all dressed up with nowhere to go Yea it’s all messed up when it’s nowhere to go / So we won’t take the time out til we reach the T O P / From paroles to hold G’s, sold keys, low keys / We like the promised land of the OG’s / In the past if you picture events like a black tie / What the last thing you expect to see, black guys / What’s the life expectancy for black guys?
sick
mandy sandy faggot kill your self shit sucks bitch now you hiding u fucking faggot cuz u know it bitch ass hahahaha
yeah he hiding haha he on the internet fool
fuck you squares
Like 9th said it ain’t for me
i made you royalty and royalties
THIS SHIT IS TOOOO WAVYYY
i need a slow motion video right nowwwww
Far from classic, a solid 7.5 tho. As it grows on ya might even tip off at an 8
My house like a museum, so I see em when I’m peeing / Usually you have this much taste you European / That’s the end of that way of thinking, nigga never again / Know when to leave when the heat is coming I learned that / This is where DiNero would be if he ain’t turn back / Fuck Sosa, this Hova this is real life / This is what the ending of Scarface should feel like
bad.
Success is Certain I better……..Dont believe me? Go listen to it.
so royce made his first good cd…ever? i doubt that…
royce thr 5’9′ doesn’t posess a skill set to surpase anything jay or ye doe, end of discussion
You have no idea what you are talking about. Neither of you.
Death is Certain is one the best rap albums ever. And Royce dsnt have the skill set?what? Are you fucking kidding me? LOL. So You think Ye Flow is as good and Versatile As Royce? You think Ye is ANY WHERE NEAR as lyrical as Royce? Stfu. And that goes or Jay as well……..When was the last time he said something crazy?lol. Get off Kanye and Jay z dick. I guarantee If this Wakka and Gucci instead of Ye and Jay saying the SAME LYRICS behind the SAME production, you wouldnt give 2 shits about this album.
You aint no damn Hiphop head……….Get the Fuck off this site.
Fuck you Erica Evans. I had a Royce mixtape in 1999 and that shit was fire, since then? He’s been wack. Those albums with Static Selektah were fucking garbage. That Street Hop album was fucking garbage truck juice. Hell the Sequel is a fucking soundtrack for pissed off single men in their late 30’s. He’s the worst in Slaughterhouse, and that’s saying something. It ain’t about versatile flows, it’s about making good music. Watch The Throne ain’t even all that, and Jay has def fallen way the fuck off, but Royce is fucking trash. That’s all i’m saying. Joell??? Now you’d be talking about a talented artist with a bright future…
Please explain to me how this n*ggas flow is versatile. He raps very monotone and has regress since 1998 alot. he has great lyrics(i’ll give him that) but can’t convey them in an interesting manner. He has the same affliction as ras kass in my opinion. His ear for beats is wack as well. BME isn’t in my top 10 this year, shyt I liked Reks and the cool kids better. Now like I sd he doesn’t posess a skill set to surpass Jay, ye or even freeway for that matter.
/ Bullet proof condom when I’m in these hoes / Got staples on my d**k (why) f**kin’ centerfolds / And I swear to God they so cold / Got a ni**a in Miami wearing winter clothes / I got my fur on feelin’ like Jerome / She got her fur too, we get our his and her on / Don’t look at the jewelry, or get your blurr on / Too close, you comatose so dope you overdose / Get back, you overclose /
The best collaboration album I have ever heard in my life. HANDS DOWN. SOOO Hip-Hop. SOOO Black. SOOO Original.
So black?? Haha, what a clown. I have a strong feelin you don’t know shit.
classic album
Watch the Throne is not a classic, not a great album, but it’s not as bad as everyone is turning it out to be. Sure, there were a few questionable songs, but overall it’s a good album. Nothing more, nothing less. I expected a little bit more from Jay and Kanye, but they did enough to keep me satisfied as a listener. I still think Distant Relatives was a better collabo than this, but that’s just me. WTT is a 3.5/5.
not better than tha blueprint or college dropout .. buh wayy better than tha blueprint 3 & my twisted dark fanasty
dark fantasy shits on this for real i dunno what u talking about dark fantasy got songs that stick in your ear for a long ass time this shit dont its very forgetable
nahh.. its clear u dont kno rap!.. cuz this tha best rap album in about 3 years
Best Rap Album? shit is average, good production average lyrics. Nothing really spectacular. J. Cole’s Friday Night Lights is better than this by far. It’ clear that YOU don’t know rap
Elvis has left the building now I’m on the Beatles ass / Ni**as hear Watch The Throne, yeah it’s like the Beatles back / Bey Bey my Yoko Ono, Rih Rih complete the family / Imagine how that’s gon look front row at the Grammys / F**k your awards like Eddie Murphy’s couch / The Roc is in the building we should have stayed in the house / I don’t even know what we doing here, seems to me a complete waste of gear / Just a f***in waste of time, a complete waste of bottles / Ni**as fashion is weak, they be wastin’ all the models / Got the oversized Rolley let me show the how to do it / When I say it then you see, it ain’t only in the music / Basquiats, Warhols serving as my muses.WOW
KW) It was all good just a week ago / Ni**as feel theyselves and then Watch The Throne drop / Ni**as kill theyselves / What ni**as gon do Hov? / This a new crack on a new stove / I’m in the two-door, true that / Ni**as tellin’ me “You back†/ Like a ni**a ever left up out this b**ch, huh? / And if life a b**ch they suck my d**k huh? / And I bet she f** the whole clique, huh? / By the way ni**a, you should f***in’ quit, ni**a / Just forget it, you talk it, I live it / Like Eli I did it, jokes on you muthaf***er and I get it / No paper hoe, but you can have some more of me / Or-gy, or are we speakin methaphorically / Historically, I’m kickin’ b**ches out like Pam, ni**a / Goin’ HAM ni**a, me and Jigga / And a ni**a still young, wanna have no kids / But I’ve been practicing with some actresses as bad as sh*t / And a few white girls, asses flat a sh*t / But the head so good, damn a ni**a glad he hit / Got em jumpin’ out the building / Watch out below, a million out the door / I’m about to go H•A•M / Hard As a Muthaf***er, / Let these ni**as know who I am / I’m about to go H•A•M / Hard As a Muthaf***er, / Let these ni**as know who I am (JZ) F**k y’all mad at me for? / You don’t even know what I’ve been through / I play chicken with a Mac truck / Y’all muthaf***ers woulda been moved / I swam waters with great whites / Y’all muthaf***ers woulda been chewed / I hustle with vultures late nights / Y’all muthaf***ers woulda been food / F**k wrong with these dudes / Try to walk around in these shoes / See the sh*t I saw growing up / And maybe you can take a peek at Bey’s boobs / Ni**as fantasize about the sh*t that I do daily like / These rappers rap about all the sh*t that I do really / I’m like really half a billi ni**a / Really you got baby money / Keep it real with ni**as / Ni**as aint got my lady money / Watch the Throne don’t step on our road / Bad enough we let you step on our globe / When my nephew died, daddy dead / Ni**as took the price on my uncles head / Nobody called the cops as my uncle bled / So I feel like I’m collecting on my uncles bread / Bow down, you spose to pay homage / don’t spill hate all on my garments / Commes Des Garcon, f**k your fresh / head shots ni**a f**k your vests / F**k the pig, no pork on my fork / Peace God cause you know a ni**a just went H•A•M / Hard As a Muthaf***er, / Let these ni**as know who I am / Yeah I’m ’bout to go H•A•M / Hard As a Muthaf***er, / Let these ni**as know who I am / Yeah I’m ’bout to go H•A•M
FUCKING FAGGOT STOP POSTING SHIT SANDY MANDY BITCH FAGGOT LOSER HOMO
This CD is the shiznit pig laten biznitches!!
Eminem came with the pig latin in his verse years ago!
“Shit just don’t change to this day
I’m this way, still tell that utsl-ay itchb-ay
Ucks-ay my ikcd-ay, ‘scuse my igp-ay atinl-ay
But uckf-ay you igp-ay” -Rap Game (D12 & 50 Cent)
DAMN YEEZY THEY ALL GOTTA BE DIMES WELL ADAM GAVE UP A RIB SO MINE BETTER BE PRIME
these niggas think they prophets dissing jesus and god fucking sell out coons only motherfuckers that like this shit are brainwashed faggots
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i dont think jesus wants his name associated with the foul language in your post
worst album ever fucks with killaaaaaaaaaaaaa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-IzVmAQtTg
shit is mad garbage for real like its racist as fuck how can they be saying all this shit against whites when whites buy all their albums ,if eminem made an album talking about white pride and being proud of all his european american brothers,you would lynch him that’s called double standard
just stop, you sound dumb
In my opinion, you can tell how good an album is by how often you press skip. This album has got a few dope songs, but alot of them I had to skip. It’s all about consistency, and this album seems to jump from Hip-Hop to R n B, to just weird. Anyways, it’s not the worst album.
1 star for this over rated mason homo rap
Modern Classic.
OK so I thnk it’s quite clear which is the best album out of this and Hell: The Sequel. BME only had one questionable song – lighters. This album has many!
Bad Meets Evil = Clear winners!
fuck you award like eddie murphy’s couch
Projected to sell 450k…And the winner is watch the throne and i have bad meets evil and trust and believe watch the throne is better….. Now go kill yourself
BME SUCKS BALLS COMPARED TO THIS, PLEASE STOP ADVOCting a washed up eminem and a boring royce 5’9′
dissapionting as fuck
You can’t front on this. Listen to “Primetime” and kill yourself.
I liked it
BME is better lyrically but that shit had a lot of average beats. WtT wasn’t as good lyrically but had better beats. 4/5 on both albums. Both them shits are what hip hop needs though. More collaboration albums is good, but FUCK that Wocka Flocka-Gucci Mane collabo album. That shit gonna sound like kids in the special ed class rapping over beats made on them Fischer Price keyboards.
bme is cool you cant compare the 2 albums pill poppin and cutting people heads off and hangin them on unicorns is not for me
BME IS TRASH COMPARED TO WATCH THE THRONE ROYCE BORES ME AND EMINEM SOUNDS BITTER AND SAD
Let me break it down….
1.They purposely made sure they didn’t have a single that was radio friendly, its was a statement saying we can make what we want. That’s good shit
2. The production takes different style beats from different era’s in Hip-Hop history. (Just go listen, that’s why they have RZA, Pete Rock, Neptunes, Swizz, Mike Dean, even took the electronica sound that’s origins are in Detroit, etc.) The samples alo highlight some our best artists of all time.
3. This album is saying “F” white America. Just listen…Quick track breakdown
1. ‘No Church’No explanation needed, talking about not believing in the system
2. ‘Lift Off’Interlude track,basically saying get ready for whats next
3. ‘Niggas in Paris’ This track is talking shit to people who think just because you black in Europe don’t mean you can BALL. Just listen to the skit, its a joke at how whites don’t really understand what the substance in HIP HOP is really about.
4. ‘Otis’ just a little flexing over a sample of one of the best AA artists of all time. Who left us way to early.
5. ‘Gotta Have it’ they get right to the point, F white America. That’s why Kanye comes in with ‘LOLOLOL White America” Discussing how society hates rich blacks. Just peep the sample.
6. ‘New Day’ Just some insight on how they are rea people too, who worry about raising they’re kids.
7. ‘Thats My Bitch” Jay-Z shines on this talking about how black women aren’t given respect as beautiful as they are.
8. ‘Welcome To the Jungle’ talking your way through the hood. Jay highlights the tricky nature of the hood.
9. ‘Who Gon Stop Me’ the name says it all. Kanye shouts ‘millions of our people lost’. Highlighting the the progress of successful blacks.
10. ‘Murder to Excellence’ if I have to explain this then you probably haven’t heard it, or is totally oblivious to the struggle of blacks in America.
11. ‘Made in America’ talking about how we have made a name in America as blacks, but we need to build on it. ‘we need a million more’
12. ‘Why I love you’ Jay talking to Beans and the rest of the camp that he feels are disrespectful to him, and other critics of his legacy.
*wont break down the bonus tracks, but primetime, the joy, and illest alive should have been given to all..Buy this album!!!!!
this album was horrible. i’m sorry. i tried to like it. it just didn’t work for me. it’s bad when kanye sounding better than jay on a lot of the songs. it’s like jay don’t write anymore (but a new day was fire. he definitely wrote that verse) the production was boring, the rhymes were boring too. i think every reviewer saying it’s hot because it’s jay-z. it’s like he’s living off his name instead of pure skills. anyway the album was horrible(and this was after three listens. the third listen, i couldn’t finish the cd again) this proves my theory that nas is the better MC. after hearing nasty and then hearing this Watch the Throne CD., it’s clear proof who’s better.
damn hating cant be your only hustle
first of all, i’m a bigger hip hop fan than you so don’t go there. second, anonymous, it wasn’t hot. the beats were mediocre, the rhymes were average only three tracks were good. a new day is the best song on there. third, i respect jay-z but he don’t rhyme anymore and u know it. i appreciate jay fans liking the cd cuz they are jay fans but i’m a hip hop fan first and the album didn’t work as a whole.
Correction Son, Of Course It’s Hot Because Of Hov, But It’s Equally Hot Because Of Mr. West, alot people hate on this shit for no reason, When Everyone knows That Watch The Throne Is Better Than any of the other mainstream shit out right now.
the fact that you can say that the production was mediocre strips you of any credibility you ever thought you had.
Luv this album. . Listening to “New Day” now like .. Wow!
im on everything
Jay-z and Kanye have changed the game once again with this LP. The benefit of these two sitting on the “throne” is their ability to explore and implement an uncensored level creativity in their production, all while delivering their usual sharp lyrical bravado. Although the album may feel sporadic or unfocused- I for one appreciate the creative variety of the southern swag of “Ni**as in Paris” and the politicized intelligence of “Murder to Excellence.” Watch The Throne is in a category of its own, therefor I couldn’t give it a just rating. Kanye and Jay are rap pioneers. Just wait and see the impact this album will have on the game…Oh yeah, the concert is about to be “CRAA!!!” #WTT
766 comments so far!!!! Keep up the hate….It just goes to show how many hater’s love ye and jay!!!!! The album already grew on me!!!! Despite a few misses the album is super solid!!!!
LOL
Gotta have it and murder to excellence was dope as hell to me and i really like the beat changes in one song nice concept…3 out 5 for me
i need a slow motion video right nowwwwwww
Kanye is an absolute genius, AMAZING discography. Jay is the better rapper, but Kanye is the true musician who made this product. Will be a classic in a few years from now.
kanye make dre seem lazy
tru. dre is lazy
Kanye doesn’t produce all his stuff though.
An Album That Hits Me Harder Everytime I Listen To It.
same
fuck sosa 5 mics
underwhelming, uninspired . . . and that’s from someone who truly appreciates Jay and Kanye’s talent. And the subject matter–don’t get me started. We already know Jay and Kanye aren’t doing much good with their money, short of wasting a colossal amount of it on shit they already have plenty of (yes, I’m talking about the $19K spent by Kanye’s “charity” and Jay making a fool of himself talking about his “philanthropy” with a single scholarship next to Warren Buffet). If they have nothing else to talk about, they should consider picking up a book. Oh, wait. Kanye boasted about how he doesn’t read during Storytellers, didn’t he? Well, might be worth trying. It’s a shame to see such amazing talent go to waste.
wow serious, stfu.
thank you. somebody who actually listened to the lyrics. on this album I don’t see how anyone can say that kanye and jay-z are really saying that much. yea, they have a few highlights here and there but overall this album is not really saying much but how rich and successful and better than you they are. i listened to it at least 5 times by now, trying to be objective, and that’s what i got from it. the only impactful song on this album is murder to excellence.
decent album
not hot
Smh, this nigga Ye makes nothing but classics…
Kanye West:
The College Dropout 5/5
Late Registration 5/5
Graduation 5/5
808’s and Heartbreak 5/5
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy 5/5
Watch The Throne 5/5
I wish I was joking. I wish I could find all the flaws that ya’ll “critics” seem to have a problem with. I wish I was just being a stan. But the fact is that Kanye has always won, and will continue to win, because of his honesty. No matter how insightful, ignorant, arrogant, funny, or nonsensical his thoughts may be, he always keeps it 100. He makes music from his heart EVERY TIME. The day he disapoints me will be the day he gives in to your criticism.
You all seem to forget that the point of ART is Self Expression.
change graduation to 4/5 and i would completely agree with everything you said.
Please tell me, any of yall, how Kanye’s last album doesn’t suck dick? Beautiful Fantasy album fuckin sucks. Horrible production…shit is garbage, man.
if you don’t like the production on any kanye album, hip-hop music isn’t for you. stick to country/rock music
let me guess ^bizzalls, you liked Eminems recovery right? stupid sheep….this album is a piece of art….5/5…two of the best to ever do it….and how can u not like the production on MBDTF? That shit was A plus…..do you listen to the music or do you just skim through it?
THANK YOU!! agree 100%!! Every album kanye has made is 5/5 no question!!
My Beautiful Dark Fantasy is garbage, Kanye is overrated and hasn’t been good since Graduation. I used to like Kanye when he actually was hip hop, now he’s just a sell out whiny pop diva!
4 stars???… why are you that scared to give an album five stars ??
Listen to the album from the beginning, and try to skip a song. if you can, name the song(s) how with your explanation. lets see how many people make a fool out of themselves.
5/5 this is art and art is the essence of hip-hop
i feel like half the album they just tried to prove how great they are…still a great album but i would have liked some more storytelling.
You have the right to your opinion, but how can you really prove that this album is worth 5 out of 5? Lyrically, it’s not really a 5 star album. I agree with anonymous, most of the album is just Kanye/Jay-Z bragging and only a few songs are actually songs from beginning to end without them going off topic every other line. If this is the essence of hip hop, then hip hop won’t be around very long.
Second best album of the year imo. 4/5 Section80 was better.
SECTION IS NOT BETTER THEN SAIGON OR PHAROAHE MONCHE STOP WITH THAST SHYT
dope af!
Dope
FIRE
I listened to the album from start to finish. Loved the production but I thought Hell: The Sequel was better. I understand this isn’t all lyrical like Bad Meets Evil and more ‘feel good’ music, but still, my opinion. My fav song on the album is New Day tho. 4/5 sounds fair.
I’m with 9th Wonder on this one. I liked a few of the tracks and the production is definitely very complex and involving, but for some reason this album sounded incomplete to me. For some reason, a lot of the change-ups at the very end of a track were better than the actual original tracks, like in Lift Off. I don’t know what it was, but it just didn’t have a true hip hop album polish to me. I was hoping to hear more rawness with a pair like Kanye and Jay-Z. I wanted to hear more sampled beats and some classic hip hop elements. Lyrically, it was only slightly above average. Maybe it’s just me as well. Personally, I’m kind of tired of hearing rappers go to the same shallow topics and to tell you the truth, a lot of the content on this album is unrelatable to me and most hardcore hip hop fans. I don’t really care about what Kanye or Jay-Z are doing in Paris, or what they are buying, their rich party lifestyle, etc. I just don’t understand it and I feel like there were only a few true songs that a lot of people can clearly understand and take something away from. Maybe they are running out of ideas at this point. My favorite tracks were Murder To Excellence and The Joy. If the whole album was tracks like that, it would have been a classic. Unfortunately, this is easily a forgettable album.
great
this shits gay. STATIK SELEKTAH owns kanye in production. and anybody shits on Jay lyrically nowadays.
OVERHYPED.
yeah so I love both artists but this album was just… not good
Ya’ll can’t be serious. Ya’ll can’t seriously not like this album. Yall are just fucking with me. Stop playing now guys.
dope
To be honest I’m a huge huge fan of both guys, bt I hoped 4 mo!! Bt maybe my expectations were to much 4 1 project I guess… Bt dont get me wrong ther are defenate moments of pure genuis on the LP!! I’ll defenatly be bumpin it 4 a long while to cum thats for shoooooo!!!!!
Who the fuck reviewed this album ????? You need a dirty slap, honestly !!! Anything more than a 3/5 is serious dick riding. And to those faggots comparing this to BME, Sorry, BME shitted all over this…
Beats/Production= 90%
Lyricism= 40%
Originality=40%
Kanye, Please Quit rapping and stick to production. You a genius producer, but you suck beyond sucking in rapping. Jay, you lost almost everything…..Watch The Throne for Eminem.
utter tosh.
jay z has always been fiercely overrated. 1 star for that bullshit.
agreed
Not Jay-Z’s best, not Yeezy’s best. But hell, hype kills records. So many fuckin people had to hype this up, so of course so many people gonna be disappointed when it drops. If it wasn’t for the hype people would be saying it’s the album of the year. Rap game is some good ol bull right now.
I hate when folks use production to mask the failure of hip hop albums. Production is not a strong point when it comes to hip hop. This album is lyrically wack, rhymes are mediocre, everything is plain wack….The track with beyonce is one of the biggest slap in the face of hip hop in recent times….
What the hell is this, 4 stars ??????????? You are kidding right ? After listening to this album, i felt i committed a sin. Going back to wash away my sins with some Saigon, Tech n9ne & BME……Watch the Flop !
pretty underwhelmed by this album so far. Loved kanye’s first 3 albums, not feeling his latest 3 though.
Kanye and Jay-z straight up jacked this albums theme from W.A.R.
Honestly, the polarised views on this album means that this will go down as game changing album in music. This is really the blueprint for hip hop in 2011. We taking it to the world now. We want to canibalise gloabl markets and get global money now without losing the essence. This album does this. The haters are the people who weren’t old enough to experience 90’s golden era hip hop and so want to live it now. They are also the people who cannot give constructive criticism on the album. Therefore, most of them are not real fans that were going to buy the album anyway. Great Job Jay Z and Kanye you are leading the pack. Definitely ALbum of the Year!! Saigon comes second tho!!
Nigga, you are trippin for saigon. And this no blueprint!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@tn:
You are a mad idiot for placing WTT ahead of Saigon. I can call at least 5 albums better than WTT. Its crystal clear u dont listen to hip hop nor know anything about it. U mention Saigon becoz everyone it talking about it. I doubt if you have listened to it !
@tn:
You are a mad idiot for placing WTT ahead of Saigon. I can call at least 5 albums better than WTT. Its crystal clear u dont listen to hip hop nor know anything about it. U mention Saigon becoz everyone is talking about it. I doubt if you have even listened to it !
Saigon & Pharoahe Monch are better than this
I swear there are people here who must be organised by some company and get paid to hate on partcular artists and then big up others on hip hop websites.
What do people want? Jay can’t do Blueprint all over again its done. This is taking hip hop to another level. This is the new blueprint (no pun intended) concious rhymes, excellent production and songs for all target markets. Add to that an air of expectancy by not leaking the album and you have the right recipe for today not yesterday.
I have to say Saigon’s album followed a similar blueprintbut without the big budget. For the record I have Saigon’s album its one of my favourites. I think these two albums are progressive and are better than Bad Meets Evil. I really can’t listen to BME. It just sounds like meaningless rap. Sorry.
STFU Faggot !!!! Whats on WTT ???
Why won’t BME be meaningless to you when u can’t break down their exciting metaphors ? BME was all about metaphors for ur info. Only real hip hop heads understand those metaphors,not faggots like u. Btw, seems u haven’t heard tech n9ne’s new album. I swear, there are dozens of albums better than WTT. WTT is all Hype homo !!!
Ha ha (anonymous) you are a funny dude. You ‘re getting mad at me because I don not agree with you. You must be a child or have childish intelligence. Are you going to kick my bal over the fence now? I mean come on. YOu accused me of not listensing to Saigon. Yet I own the album. WHy did you not just ask me if I owned the album. Its a brand new day. Hip hop artists no longer feel boxed in by so called hip hop artefacts i.e baggy jeans, dj premier type beats etc. These are aspects of hip hop. Hip hop is deeper than that it is intangible. It represents the struggle. This is what kids crying for 90s rap do not understand. This is an exciting time for hip hop cratively. There is more unity and collaborations.
Overall nice album.
I would have removed Lift off,Welcome to the jungle from the tracklist though, and replace them with Primetime (the keys are magic on this one), The Joy, and I.M.A.
It s nice to listen to, but not a classic album.
With this album failing it opens up the way for Drake’s Take Care for album of the year in my opinion.
UMAD?
Common- The Believer
album is straight trash!…hahahahahahaha….watch the thong…gay murda fuckas!
Word!
Not one individual i do not care how much education you have,can truly express there opinion with out being a bias in there review on the album. So realistically and figuratively speaking Gay-Z and Kanye Pest, respectively have gained fame one from MCing
and the other from production,but when it comes to a new day there perspectives on life are not significant in any way,if they died tomorrow the they would not have contributed anything to the world,sorry to say it but it is true, they definitely have ideology but have not given it any ground breaking ideas there whole life’s.
Dope album sonically.The production is crazy. The flows are simple but concepts and meanings behind a lot of the words are VERY complex!
Point a famous line from WTT please if you think meanings behind a lot of the words are VERY complex!
Lets be practically honest here, Most of the STANS calling this album “Amazing”, “Dope”, “Classic”, “Fire”..etc..etc and all those adulating expressions are only saying that because their fav artist(s) name is on it. 80% of you guys don’t like this album that much, BE HONEST !
gonna do 450,000 first week yeah people hate it
This ain’t no hip-hop album, that I can tell you.
nah we dont believe you
You are right my friend. This is not Hip Hop. Waiting for Apathy’s Honkey Kong and Outerspac’s My Brother’s Keeper. Listen some real shit man.
^Outerspace
hell fucking no this shit aint 4 this is a 3 hiphopdx get the cash out your a.hole
you think all the users got paid to give 5 stars..
you right its not 4 its 5
thank you for murder to excellence and made in america some people cant get it but its ok
if you dont like the album its cool the R.E.D album will be out soon it will be plenty of shooting and crack stories and club songs for you real hiphop fans and once rick ross get back from cuba im sure he will have some new stories to tell
i want to ask every single person who thinks jay-z is iluminati or sell out to do one thing..
IF you guys are really that perceptive..
tell me: what do you think about reperations ??
do you understand that america owes black people ?
can your smartass see that the repercussions of slavery are everything…
they are the reason for the gettho, for the killers, for rap, blues, soul, jazz …
no eminem / elvis without slavery nether ya know ??
thats why you got bigger things to do than hate on some black individuals..
for every rich black guy there are 100 white guys with the same wealth..
so why dont you focus on them until you fix what america has done to black people
(i know, no slave masters alive in america, but the slave masters gave their stolen wealth to their kids didnt they ?)
greetz from austria
see, we know about our own history..
if austria wouldnt pay reperations for the jews i would be so ashamed, .. i would be demonstrating to give them that money, cause that is the LEAST we can do..
/btw you have to understand we must and want give jews reperations no matter what there politics are.. we let a person rule who tried to exterminate them, and we didnt stop it.. so im not looking at their politics im looking to pay back and SHUT UP ..
do the right thing america…
the album spoke on certain topics that surprised me like seeing more women of color being put in certain posistions to succeed the gang violence and black murders in america,being a good father and also no matter how much you succeed in life it dont matter how much money you got people will always have racist views of you
easy 5..
the last comment was mine
4 stars? in 94/95 this album would have gotten 2 stars!
jigga and kanye can do better then this. especially kanye.
This would’ve gotten 100 stars 94/95. Anything done here is clearly superior to what was released back then in every single way. The lyricsism, the flows and the beats are all beyond amazing. Without the nostalgia factor, a lot of these so-called classics lose their mystic. Sadly, this album is, even in 2011, waaaay ahead of it’s time.
I would have shitted on myself if I heard this shit in the 90’s…
its official Jay-Z is is done. since 2003 his rhymes, flows, albums etc suck bigtime.
retire old man.
is this hip hop or some mc hammer poprap shit?
I’m a big fan but the album sucks southern dicks
not classic, but very good.
2 east coast rappers rapping over southern pop beats
I got money bitches cars what new…… they sold out
2 to 3 songs are good
The album should be called watch nothing
Kaney west sounds like a dick
Southern beats? Its like three on here…you don’t know hi hop at all…smh
Sound wise it sound pop
You didn’t get all the references and double-entendres. You had an opinion before you listened. This is advanced lyricism and creative beats at it’s best. ”Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?” By the way, rap was born out of braggadocio. Why doesn’t your hero Nas publish a book like Decoded? Because their isn’t nothing to decode about his 7th grade poetry.
Absolute garbage
Well said…
Hell: The Sequel is still better.
yeah pill poppin rap is nice
bme is depressed 30 yr old i beat my daily rap fuk outta here, eminem been through
so futuristic,so creative,so inspirational. love “who gon stop me”
These dudes don’t know what they want out of rappers. On 1 hand they say “keep it real”, meaning if you’re not selling drugs anymore then don’t talk like you are (i.e. wayne). So these guys are clearly not in the drug game, so they get criticized for their version “keeping it real” in which they talk about success.
How bout this, instead of just focusing on the subject matter how about focusing on HOW it’s presented? Meaning how’s the lyrics, how’s the beats, etc. I can’t see how anybody can honestly listen to the lyrics and say stuff like “garbage”, “jay needs to retire” blah blah blah
Another question is, that if you’re not on the way to success, have dreams of success, or living an “unreal life” (apparrently “real” means struggling) then why even listen to this album in the 1st place? So no, I’ll never be “planking on a million” or have a bumper sticker on a Maybach that says what would hova do but I live well enough that I can respect that without hating on them. I guess those kinds of people are who they made the album for
Co-Sign. Jay has always been about metaphors and clever wordplay. But people don’t like to think if they listen to music, that’s the problem. Like he didn’t struggle in his youth. LMAO.
Primetime, The Joy, New Day and Murder to Excellence….that’s it. It should’ve been an EP with those 4 tracks
All of those tracks you named are Ill but that would have been boring as fuck. Ya’ll kill me with this “real hip-hop” bullshit. As son as someone is sounding like they’re having fun on a record ya’ll discredit it.
Co-Sign. Not to mention that such thing as ”real hip hop” exists. Jay dropped one of the finest lyrical performances ever with Resonable Doubt and still got the whole game on hold. All you guys you’ll will never touch what Jay did. Never.
Let me break it down….
1.They purposely made sure they didn’t have a single that was radio friendly, its was a statement saying we can make what we want. That’s good shit
2. The production takes different style beats from different era’s in Hip-Hop history. (Just go listen, that’s why they have RZA, Pete Rock, Neptunes, Swizz, Mike Dean, even took the electronica sound that’s origins are in Detroit, etc.) The samples alo highlight some our best artists of all time.
3. This album is saying “F” white America. Just listen…Quick track breakdown
1. ‘No Church’No explanation needed, talking about not believing in the system
2. ‘Lift Off’Interlude track,basically saying get ready for whats next
3. ‘Niggas in Paris’ This track is talking shit to people who think just because you black in Europe don’t mean you can BALL. Just listen to the skit, its a joke at how whites don’t really understand what the substance in HIP HOP is really about.
4. ‘Otis’ just a little flexing over a sample of one of the best AA artists of all time. Who left us way to early.
5. ‘Gotta Have it’ they get right to the point, F white America. That’s why Kanye comes in with ‘LOLOLOL White America” Discussing how society hates rich blacks. Just peep the sample.
6. ‘New Day’ Just some insight on how they are rea people too, who worry about raising they’re kids.
7. ‘Thats My Bitch” Jay-Z shines on this talking about how black women aren’t given respect as beautiful as they are.
8. ‘Welcome To the Jungle’ talking your way through the hood. Jay highlights the tricky nature of the hood.
9. ‘Who Gon Stop Me’ the name says it all. Kanye shouts ‘millions of our people lost’. Highlighting the the progress of successful blacks.
10. ‘Murder to Excellence’ if I have to explain this then you probably haven’t heard it, or is totally oblivious to the struggle of blacks in America.
11. ‘Made in America’ talking about how we have made a name in America as blacks, but we need to build on it. ‘we need a million more’
12. ‘Why I love you’ Jay talking to Beans and the rest of the camp that he feels are disrespectful to him, and other critics of his legacy.
*wont break down the bonus tracks, but primetime, the joy, and illest alive should have been given to all..Buy this album!!!!!
Sorry for the typos, was typing fast
Fuck these racist niggas. As Kendrick Lamar says, Fuck your ethnicity = eracism. These fools need to move on. Music like that keeps racism alive, which is what I think these clowns really want.
This album is dope, Kanye always brings creativity with his production. On my first listen through I was a little disappointed with the verses, especially from Hov, but when I went back and listened again I changed my opinion. The flows for the most part are on point and there’s a strong message behind the album if you listen carefully.
This gets a 4/4.5 from me.
You can listen to this album all the way through without wanting to skip tracks. Good release.
This album is wack
did yall count how many times jay said ”all black everything” in this album? LOL..
dope
Watch The Throne is ok and all but my mixtape will crush!! Who is on my level right now?! -Lil Bow Wow
MMG will go low life on all u niggaz, bddddapp
@BowWow: Watch The Throne is ok and all but my mixtape will crush!! Who is on my level right now?!
I HATE YOU FUCKING BACK PACK RAP LOSERS … I REALLY DO LOL.
YOU BUM NIGGAS WILL BE STUCK IN 2001 UNTIL YOUR CASKETS DROP.
What does back pack rap mean ? Plz anyone answer me!??
Co-Sign to the fullest. These fools don’t want to realize that the world evovles. Shit, most of these albums are pure garbage if you take the classic factor away. They were classics for that particular time but don’t hold a candle to the new albums, underground and mainstream, if you compare them from an objective perspective. Not everyone is so dumb and repeats classic and classic because some people declared it them so 10 years ago.
y’all are stupid, smfh
I hope everybody who’s on this site is noticing how racism is rearing its ugly head with discussions about this album and its content. Whites pissed these boys didn’t put out they usually ‘pop’ single. They hating heavy.
Why you all think they keep putting those symbols in the music? It provokes thought, all of us know more about it because these boys purposely shedding light on the shit. Think for one second.
That was the purpose of it, to raise questions about inequality and racism. The job was done.
“LOLOLOL White America”
“All black everything”
Now is the time to stop looking for charity, and hand outs and get things done. Progress comes from financial success.
otis is just a smack in the face. That shit is so half assed, the verses, and the beat is thrown together in about 10 minutes it sounds like. I just shows Hov can piss on a mic and ppl got no opinion now, they will swear by the shit.
Honestly i gave this album a fair shot n listned thru to the end and….
Nothing special. Beats were sub par definetly not acceptable production for two of the biggest mcs in the game. I tried to give this album a chance even tho ive never been a jayz fan and at times i find kanyes ego is tO much to handle. But with all of my feelings aside i still got nothing more than two rappers telling us how there the shit and how we are not.
I dont know about you guys but im sick of the im bettr than u rap a few songs to display talent is one thing but a whole album of that is weak especially wen neither one is
Even close to being the best lyricist in the game now or ever.. N in my opinion kanye shitted on jayz on every song. My rating: 1.5 weak shit
Its been so long since hiphop was out no one knows what to say Gucci man is not hip hop open your eyes and listen black man you might become a better person this is a five mic album
i give it 3 mics, production was weak
Can’t wait to see the numbers
pick up a book and look in to the album cover and learn something then you will understand that this is the album of the year. GAME wont do his numbers he is lame with out 50 thats why he talks about Jay-z all the time to start a beef.Wayne may do his number since Niki and drake write all his stuff look at the fordes list how did him and baby come in a tie with 15 mill and baby run the show, If Nas drops a album this would be a good year for hihop.
so it’s album of the year because of the album cover?? what about the weak production?
I normally download albums but this I’ll have to buy.It’s definiely a hit coz you either love it or hate it, its always bound to happen with good albums.Hov and Ye definitely delivered.
I am really blown away by these negative comments. Even if the rich nigga rhetoric isnt your thing, how could you ignore the music? Seriously, how can you not FEEL this shit? This shit is moving. I am so serious right now. If you are really that critical than I don’t see how you ever enjoy any music. You don’t have to hail it as a classic but at least admit that this shit is hot. This shit really pains me to see such an honest peice of art go underapreciated. Like really. What, did they not spit enough punchlines 4 you? Or did they not kick enough knowledge? Do you know what this is doing for hip-hop right now? Fuckin faggots. -_-
your right bra… i do not understand the hate???? what where people expecting??? this album is great!
Production was weak. And fuck you for thinking your opinion reigns supreme.
In 10 years this is one of the few albums, that will be remembered during this hip hop era.
Everyone should listen to the album a couple more times, only because its an album that you cant understand the first time. two or three times it will grow on you. Just like the NOTORIOUS B.I.G. albums.
I give it a 5/5
BIG albums were dope after first listen. This album is better than most commercial albums, but I was expecting better production. Both of these guys fell off on this one.
What? The production was dope. Sorry, but I don’t know what you’re listening to lol.
Classic. The illest thing about the album is that they are completely one with themselves. They’re not trying to please anyone. They’re just doing them. This album really defines what it means to be a FREE BLACK MAN. They’re not running away from the stereo types, but they’re not defined by them either. They’re being completely transparent, and to do that at this stage in their careers is crazy.
-Real Talk
WHERE’S THE LYRICAL LAW ALBUM REVIEW???????
LYRICAL LAW >>>>>>>>>>> *INSERT ALBUM HERE*
That is the worst album title ive ever heard
THIS ALBUM IS GARBAGE!!!! Common and Nas would have been a better pairing
lmao
Watch The Throne Drop. Nigga kill yaself
SOOO ILL.
Since ya’ll fags love lyrical lyricness so much, you should read poetry instead. Go to a Spoken Word show. Get straight to the source of your pleasure so you don’t have to worry about anything getting in your way.
For those of you who are here because you love MUSIC, not just words, this album is for you.
5/5
And I will defend my position till the death…
That is all…
Not the production I was expecting. I’m not impressed. I give it 3 stars.
I would love to see this album performed as an opera
Hands down Album of the year. Whoever says otherwise dont listen to music they just skim through it!!!
Sounds like maybe you just skim through it.
Dude, you probably wear really tight jeans! It’s killing the circulation to your brain.
i agree album of the year haters suck one
Very average…Kanye’s first 2 albums were real good, Jay-Z from 96-03 when he brought his A+ game was one of the best at THAT TIME, but 3-4 songs not withstanding (Murder to Excellence, New Day, The Joy, Primetime) this album is average as f*CK!
And please don’t come back with, YOU MUST LOVE RECOVERY/BME….Ummm no I LOVED Em who from 96/97-02/early 03 was one OF THE GOATS. Had he died at the end of 02 after 8mile/eminem show dude would EASILY be a top 3 emcee ever (death helps all fair or unfair). Dude was drugged out from 04-08 and has had to learn to rap/write/flow/perform again, now with no aid of alcohol/weed to help his creativity/personality/sense of humor/bluntenss….
Fav emcees of 2010 decade (or the last 7-8 years in general): ELZHI (elmatic, preface, europass/leftovers mixtape all fire and he’s probably my number 1), Diabolic, Blu, Black Thought, Tonedeff, Crooked I, Louis Logic, Copywrite, Brother Ali, Common, Kendrick Lamar, Lupe (only @ his best, recently wack and overrated by alot of supposed heads who don’t know about alot of ill ish from 86-99), One Be Lo
Oh yea forgot to vote: I’d say 3.5/5 production, 2/5 in the EMCEEING department (especially technical rhyme schemes or making me press rewind).
I’ll give the album a 2.5/5 and round down simply b-c so many ppl overrate dudes w/ 1 million+ twitter followers and praise ANYTHING they put out yet they COMPLETELY SLEEP on amazing emcees or producers like Elzhi, Blu, Pharoahe Monch, Kool G Rap, Diabolic, Copywrite, Percee-P, Juice, Apathy, Brother Ali, CunninLynguists (amazing producer KNO), Tonedeff, Jean Grae, Sadistik, Macklemore, Louis Logic, One Be Lo, Masta Ace, Black Thought, Black Star to name a few of many
Lawl at Diabolic. Did listing those underground artists make you feel cool? And do you honestly believe that music is objective?
No chemistry btw them….I Rather listen to BME.
Black excellence, opulence, decadence
Backpackers are killing hiphop.
No….Lil’ B, Travis Porter, Future, YC, 2 Chainz, Gucci Mane, Waka Flocka…these men are killing hip-hop.
To every one saying the production was weak…Maybe you guys should start listening to metal, or rock, or something. Cause hip-hop isn’t for you.
…because this album is more techno, euro rave than hip hop!
says the nigga with a lotr name. gtfo
^^^LMAO!!
OVERRATED ALBUM! This is Pop Rap. BS. Decent lyrics but weak, watered down, tight jean wearing production. I guess a concert full of suburban white kids will love it.
What song on this album is pop/rap besides lift off.
Rell has a point.
agree with sauron
How is it “POP”, when I really doesn’t have a true radio single?
Nothing and I mean absolutely nothing about this is pop. Really, just stop it. Some of you guys are trying too hard. Not anything that gets released by people who are widely praised is bad, you paranoid, narrow-minded backpack fanatic. In fact, the lyricism is way beyond anything I’ve heard on the underground albums this year. Not everything has to be on boom bap or break beats. Doing something like this is way better than having everyone trying to create a sound that’s long gone (in a much worse way than it has been done 10 or 15 years ago). You can’t live with the fact that anything moves on.
It’s provocative like PE use to be back in the day. Pissing blk and white niggas off! LOVE that shit.
this album is fire
The flows are “simple” but what they are saying is COMPLEX. If you can’t hear it, too bad so sad.
+1
4/5 Very good album that requires multiple play throughs to get the most out of it. It has tracks that will be played 10 years from now and beyond. Very solid effort.
I would agree.
These r just two brothas trying to raise the bar in terms of the concoiusness of their listeners. Those that hate the album do not understand that the 90s have gone (and I lived thru 90s hip hop). Get over it. Jay z and Ye are not one trick ponies. Haters are selfish and do not have hip hops best intentions at heart at all. And yes it seems as that for some posters minority)racism is driving their hate for the album.
yeah its ok to shoot 50 nuggas and pump crack but when you speak about progress and gettin paid in a white mans world they start to hate
3/5 all average sounding
av*er*age (adj.) – typical; common; ordinary
everything that Watch The Throne is not
I agree. Watch the Throne is quite atypical by hip hop standards and expectations. This is why there is a love/hate relationship with many consumers and this album.
did anybody peep the rilkes line? excellent word play
Can someone seriously name a Hip-Hop album that came out this year that can be mentioned in the same breath as WTT? Kendrick comes close. There we’re a lot of good mixtapes and EPs. But as far as albums go, I haven’t heard anything this good since My Beautiful Dark… wait…
*moves kanye to #1 slot on favorite rappers list*
Pharoahe Monch W.A.R.
jarrett speakin de truth!!
Saigon Greatest Story Never Told, Skyzoo’s Mixtape “The Great Debater”
Lyrically… Bad Meets Evil
No, as a whole, nothing comes close. Not trying to discredit the other albums, they were all great, but way too conventional.
The closes too this album all year is Shaolin vs WU-Tang and even that doesn’t compete. Just hearing Jay-Z rhyme about something different then money on 3 tracks was worth the price (And I’m not a Jay-Z fan)
I wish people would stop mentioning Bad Meets Evil
“In sheepskin coats, I silence the lambs
Do you know who I am Clarice?”
NICE
NAH MAN this nigga said when you Earnhart as me eventually you hit a big wall gtfoh jay=G.O.A.T
How did about 100 people give this 1 star. Any person likes a few tracks off the album. I thought only soulja boy and brick squad are that bad.
DX’s ratings of Kanye albums:
The College Dropout – 4.5/5
Late Registration – 4/5
Graduation – 4.5/5
808’s and Heartbreak – 4/5
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy – 4.5/5
Watch The Throne – 4/5
HipHopDX is terrified of Kanye West. Lol I think they just subtract a half-a-star off of every Kanye album because they’re afraid of this nigga’s music lmao.
They’re afraid to give him what he deserves because they know that would spell disaster for all of their purist readers!!! XD
Or maybe Kanye has just had some really great, but not perfect, albums…
MBDTF AND College dropout were perfect albums, and late registration was definatly better than a 4.
Both The College Dropout and Late Registration got XXL’s. MBDTF got a XXL and 5 mics in The Source. 5/5 stars in Rolling Stone, Pitchfork and Entertainment Weekly. It’s one of the best reviewed hip-hop albums of all time. These albums are certified classics within the Hip-Hop community and the general music community as a whole. Hiphopdx and its readers just refuse to give Ye (or any other mainstream rapper that came out after 2000) his due.
Imo, they were on point w/ Graduation and 808’s (I consider Graduation a classic, but its not certified)
But College Dropout, Late Registration, and MBDTF all deserved 5/5 stars and WTT deserves at least 4.5 stars.
Agreed. One of the bestg catalouges ever. Jay isn’t too far behind either.
Everything But 808s deserves a 5/5. Kanye is perfect. Everything he does (Musically) is perfect. Genius. But I’m sorry, Jay, With 11 (now 12) #1 albums, and if it wasn’t for Jay, there wouldn’t be the Kanye There is Today.
Kanye Classics: College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation, MBDTW (And WTT) = 5
Jay-Z Classics: Reasonable Doubt, Vol. 2, Vol. 3, The Dynasty (Debatable), Blueprint, Black Album (And WTT) = 7 (7 in MY opinion, but AT LEAST 5)
So I Love Them both… But Due to More Experience/Material Hov wins.
Would add American Gangster to this list.
lol u give him a 5 and all these guys who listen to gangsta rap from the 90s like n.w.a, 2pac etc will start bitching on here
I feel you, but I’d give Ye a 5 for 808’s. Surprisingly it’s one of his most cohesive and musically sound albums. It’s easily his most personal(Only rivaled by MBDTF). The lack of rapping doesn’t effect my rating. So, imo, That makes 6 straight classics for Kanye.
Outside of Jay-Z’s 3 certified classics(Reasonable Doubt,Blueprint,Black Album), I’d give him American Gangster and maybe Vol. 2. I love Vol. 3 and The Dynasty, but they were far from classics imo. So that makes 6 for Jay including WTT.
Kanye is 6 for 6
and
Jay is 6 for 15 (Including his other collab albums)
I think Jay is falling behind. Ye is having the Hip-Hop equivalent of a Beatles run. He’s gonna drop at least 2 or 3 more classics. This may be the last classic we get outta Jay.
Dude, I gotta biggen.
unbelievably great album!!!! Fruck the haters!!! A bunch of dorky teenagers who don’t understand real hip hop!!!
so the reviewer only liked four songs and still gave it four stars? WOW!
I love the album. I don’t think it’s perfect, but it’s the best album in a long time so I gave it 5.
hottttt
For those who don’t understand the message behind the song…btw BME is nice but nothing more than a punchline-massacre…
Let me break it down….
1.They purposely made sure they didn’t have a single that was radio friendly, its was a statement saying we can make what we want. That’s good shit
2. The production takes different style beats from different era’s in Hip-Hop history. (Just go listen, that’s why they have RZA, Pete Rock, Neptunes, Swizz, Mike Dean, even took the electronica sound that’s origins are in Detroit, etc.) The samples alo highlight some our best artists of all time.
3. This album is saying “F” white America. Just listen…Quick track breakdown
1. ‘No Church’No explanation needed, talking about not believing in the system
2. ‘Lift Off’Interlude track,basically saying get ready for whats next
3. ‘Niggas in Paris’ This track is talking shit to people who think just because you black in Europe don’t mean you can BALL. Just listen to the skit, its a joke at how whites don’t really understand what the substance in HIP HOP is really about.
4. ‘Otis’ just a little flexing over a sample of one of the best AA artists of all time. Who left us way to early.
5. ‘Gotta Have it’ they get right to the point, F white America. That’s why Kanye comes in with ‘LOLOLOL White America” Discussing how society hates rich blacks. Just peep the sample.
6. ‘New Day’ Just some insight on how they are rea people too, who worry about raising they’re kids.
7. ‘Thats My Bitch” Jay-Z shines on this talking about how black women aren’t given respect as beautiful as they are.
8. ‘Welcome To the Jungle’ talking your way through the hood. Jay highlights the tricky nature of the hood.
9. ‘Who Gon Stop Me’ the name says it all. Kanye shouts ‘millions of our people lost’. Highlighting the the progress of successful blacks.
10. ‘Murder to Excellence’ if I have to explain this then you probably haven’t heard it, or is totally oblivious to the struggle of blacks in America.
11. ‘Made in America’ talking about how we have made a name in America as blacks, but we need to build on it. ‘we need a million more’
12. ‘Why I love you’ Jay talking to Beans and the rest of the camp that he feels are disrespectful to him, and other critics of his legacy.
*wont break down the bonus tracks, but primetime, the joy, and illest alive should have been given to all..Buy this album!!!!!
Perfect! I Know for a fact that the people that say this album has no substance didn’t listen to one word of it or it went completely over their heads. If it’s the later, they probably love waka and gucci.
I feel like you try really hard to find hidden meaning in some of these tracks to support the notion of “fuck white america”. Just saying, like track 3? Jay’s verse just enlightens the listener about how rich he is and how baller he is. Kanye just talks about fucking girls in his verses.
nah not really cause every artist who respect himself has an approach and an concept before he creates an album, and they definetly had one…for some reason this album reminds me a bit of MBDTF and thats a good thing…this is music for people with an pronounced sense of reconizing art & music
read a better review on a freakin sports website. you suck DX. your review made me not want to get it even though you gave it a 4 and didnt sound like you liked it.
It’s laughable that everyone doesn’t understand how great this album is but it’s cool. You’re entitled to your opinion but if their names wasn’t Jay Z and Kanye 50% of you would love this album. Production unreal… Lyrics, powerful, playful and potent. I’m listening to this album over and over and over and is ridiculous.
i agree with every word you said. The more i listen to the album, the better it gets
Co-Sign. Everyone would be all over this if it was released by an independet duo. It’s so ahead of it’s time, it’s sad that this masterpiece doesn’t receive the appreciation it rightfully deserves, but an album from Game who talks nothing but pure bullshit for 4 albums straight without any kind of substance gets overrated for it’s simplicity.
Kanye can care less about these haters and Jay-Z’s planking on a million lol Thats that nigga. Most of the haters who gave low ratings are either suffer from mental retardation or hateration. This is maturity hip hop for 25 and older, so it’s understandable why the younger generation can’t relate.I’m no Jay-Z dickrider because I don’t ride dick I’m a pussy man.
I’m sure it’s a good album, I won’t be listening though. Jay and Kanye have become so detached from common people, I just can’t relate to what they’re saying. Em is as rich as them, but he doesn’t need to remind us every other rhyme. I’ll pass.
Em deserves to be as rich as these guys are but you are incorrect. Em only made about 14 mil this past year which is absurd because of his recovery album. Jay Z made 37 in the passed year and Kanye around 17. These guys showed hip hop and rap can be taken to another level without it being the same crap over and over. You can’t say this isn’t is unique rap.
^^^^This
The album grows on me every time i listen. Didn’t like it at first, but after a few listens, i love it
i listen to it 1 time and didnt like it
Only 1 song i thought was decent . the rest sounds rushed and forced over techno beats
average rhymes 2.5 stars
No where near 4 stars thats for sure
fav album this year
Good album, love a lot of the verses. Kanye West is fucking retarded when it comes to any political topic though. Can’t believe people don’t realize this and just laugh at him when he says dumb ass shit.
should have been better. this is Jay Z and Kanye West!
hey it’s better than best of both worlds jay-z & r-kelly lol
THE ONLY REAL CLASSIC RELEASED THIS YEAR! THIS WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS ONE OF THE GREATEST ALBUMS OF THIS DECADE IN ANY GENRE!!! Futuristic production and lyrics that could be taken from 2030. Absolutely amazing.
lol
along with MBDTF
I think it needed more Kanye beats…a Just Blaze track or 2..wouldve been alot doper
1st constructive criticism i’ve seen
No Doubt! Just Blaze would be amazing. And More old school/Otis type Beats.
even though i love the album the last two years jigga has been missing just blaze who has the album of the year in greatest story nvr told
This album is lyrically and sonically on another level. Jay’s mind is on pluto and Kanye’s on saturn somewhere. People don’t get the point that this was not meant to be a traditional hip hop or hip pop album. WTT changes the landscape of rap to be more creative and less predictable. You can’t tell Jay is not one of the greats, just listen to his second verse in “Welcome to The Jungle” where he talks about how fame and success can not only make you , it can also destroy you. In the verse he puts himself in the shoes of artists such as Eminem,Michael Jackson,Pimp C,2pac and DMX? Also listen to his verse on “Excellence” that has to be some epic lyrics. What’s this shit Jay talks too much about wealth and finer things in life? He’s been spitting that shit since Reasonable Doubt before he had a major deal, forget that since 1994 “In My Lifetime”. What other artist do you know from the mid 90’s that’s as hot and relevant as Jay is in 2011? I’ll wait for the answer. The reason people hate on Jay is not because he’s filthy rich, it’s because he never seems to lose. Even when Nas dropped ether it didn’t really harm Jay’s accolades or career for that matter, blueprint was still consider a classic anyway and went on to go double platinum. The year after that he dropped Blueprint 2 which wasn’t recieved as well but still went triple platinum!Everybody loves a winner but can’t stand a winner that wins all the time. People know that Jay is one of the greatest to ever touch the mic (alongside eminem of course)but they’re scared to admit it because it’s giving him another win in their mind.
You, my friend, are also genius.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. I hope people will be able to appreciate what those guys have done for hip hop one day. This is progression at the highest level in music. You’ve made a really good point, Jay never sold out, that’s what I was always trying to tell people, damn, he was rapping about that lifestyle way before he had it. This dude worked his way to the top and is skilled as fuck. I can understand the hate for people who were label made and shit, but Jay came from the underground and made it to the top, where he rightfully belongs, due to his accomplishments off hard ass work. His mentality got him there. Album is a masterpiece, it surpassed my expectations.
Edwin Ortiz is the worst reviewer on this site. He has no ear for hip hop.
I agree, Jay-Z and Kanye have the hip hop Crown? Word? Pop crown maybe…
fuk off u have no taste third or 4th best album of the year
Jay holds the crown, get over it. He’s your favorite rapper’s favorite rapper.
Why does this album have a 3.66 average user rating? Wake up people any thing in life that has high expectations never lives up to it, but it did what it was suppose to do deliver incredible and quality music. Your right the more you listen to this album the more you find out how genius it really is. I listen to half the songs on the album like “Niggas in Paris”,”Welcome to The Jungle”, “Otis”,”Gotta have it”, “Murder to Excellence”,”That’s my Bitch” (classic late 80’s golden age hiphop ode),”Who gon stop me(Hov’s last verse mainly) So give it up for progress and salute The Throne!
I don’t know what you haters talking about this album is fucking fire! Who can fuck with Hov and Kanye? except Eminem and Royce lyrically though. These are those albums that really grow on you and when it does you become addicted. I can’t stop listen to Watch The Throne!
i have a feeling all lot of these haters either have a very low iq or listen to crap like soulja boy
or album doesnt have longevity and kinda sucks for their standard
album is dope..
i”ve heard cd like 5 times already and im a big time kanye fan i feel dis album was highly talked bout n given 2 many good reviews on a cd dat has like 13 total songs but 5 greats songs on it production missed big time i believe no feature from J.Cole big sean r pusha blew mines felt it needed dem ova frank ocean n others it gets a 3 out of 5 to me 4real highly upset smh
HIP HOP at it’s finest! How can anybody be disappointed in this album? Everybody complains about music sounding formulaic and the same, here comes something new and your backpedaling. The drew from past eras of hip hop and took us to the future of hip hop. Five stars in my book
hip hop at its worst. or should i say poprap.
4 songs dope and tje rest is crap. talking about money, planes and shit. come on, america is in a recession????? get of the bullshit lyrics.
Kanye still sounds worst on the mic and Jay is boring as hell
Ok, I’ll let you have the “Jay-Z is boring” thing, but Kanye was GOING OFF this whole CD. This niggas flows are GENIOUS. And he be dropping doubles like hov in his prime. You’re bugging.
Nothing about this is pop, you fucked up individual. The undeserved rating represents that. You think Jay’s boring because you don’t have the mind to appreciate all those hidden meanings and countless references, well thought out lines and perfectly crafted verses layed on the best production I’ve heard over the last years. I didn’t expect an album of this quality, it surpassed by expectations by far. This defines classic.
You aren’t black and used the word nigga, smh but other than that I agree with u
get them beats by dre headphones then rate it they put allot in this and the game said it best pretty much all credit goes to yeezy cause jay did’nt put in all he got cause he’s a beast as well
I think thats unfair…being that Kanye is A PRODUCER…so yes..alot it was his vision. Jus like he produced Blueprint..and countless other jay-z tracks. This is a joint album though..its not about who out rapped who…its about them blending and doing what ever they felt the SONG needed to make it good or better. I seriously doubt Jay-z and Kanye were went into the booth and tried to OUTRAP each other…if they had that mindset…the songs would have suffered. When redman and method man do they albums toghether…they compliment each other..its not about who outrapped who. But that just my opinio. People or to busy worrying about who out rapped who on these songs..instead of taking in the whole body of music. There are plenty of battle competions on youtube, if that is what people want to hear.
Co-Sign.
Exactly.
sick album..
it’s great.
“366 people have voted.
5 is the most popular ranking.
Rating: 3.67”
lol there there must be some mad haters that rated this 1 star
Word. Even if you didn’t think it was great any rating below 3 stars is pure HATRED. I think some of these dudes didn’t even listen to it Str8 through. User rating should be much higher.
This album has went over alot of people’s heads. They just dont understand.
cosign
Well my opinion…i am not here to say how good or bad the album is. I am just here to say what I THINK IT IS. This…is GROWN FOLKS MUSIC. I can not see anybody 25 and under liking this album. I never thought i would see the day when HIPHOP would have a generation gap. Thats not a bad thing..cause that just means the culuture or genre is progressing and growing. The beats are groungbreaking…for hip hop. This is very artistic piece of music. It is art..you can’t rate art…either you like it or you don’t. Thats why there is so much love/hate reaction to it. Art cannot be perfect..no art is. If you look at a painting there probably alot of imperfections by technical standard..but it is still none the less art. Now as far as the people saying they hate the production…I personally love it. I think the reason why so many people hate the productin is subconsiously they are wanting to hear that 808 DRUM BASS KICK. We have been programmed by radio and other music outlets to anticipate that. Think about it..how many rap songs on the radio or tv..have that 808 drum bass kick? about 95 percent. Thats why alot of shit sounds the same. On the album WTT it is very limited use of this bass tone. There are all kinds of samples and instrments used on this album that the average hiphop consumer does not hear.
I personally like this album..because as i stated before they are creating a subgenre in the genre of hip hop. “Grown folks” hip hop. As stated before if you are 25 and under you probably can not and will not relate to this album. And that is okay. Jay-z and Kanye or being true to who they are and where they are at in life. They are both 35 and up. Thats why they are relevant. That is the main reason why 50 cent shit sucks these days. 50 cent is a 34 year old multimillionaaire. But he still raps about selling drugs and shooting people. Like he just did it yesterday. He is not being true to himself. sorry so long….just my opinion
I’m 15 and I have to say this one of the best albums of the year
Everyone it seems my age just to hear a whole lotta bass and rapping about girls drugs and killing ppl, but this has more that and ppl younger arnt accustomed to good hip hop like thi nowadays
22 and I love the album. Cosign 100% everything you said. These dudes don’t appreciate art.
They look at hip-hop like it’s some political system with laws and amendments and shit, lol. Dudes really follow some imaginary hip-hop constitution.
Hip-Hop is Art. We fought for decades to prove that. And there is only 1 rule in art. EXPRESS YOURSELF. If Kanye & Jay-Z didn’t do that with this album then they never have.
They stayed true to themselves, which doesn’t mean making the music you made 15 years ago. No, it means you make the music you want to instead of trying to attract a group of fucking close minded people. I love the production on this and think that Jay’s lyrics were out of this world. So much substance in between the lines. The problem is, people don’t pay attention if they listen to a project nowadays. They have a made up opinion before they really listened to one song and are quick to dismiss it if they hear that it sells. This holds much more value than all the concious albums from the last 5 years put together. A musical and genre defining masterpiece!
I’m a 14 Year old White Kid From Canada who’s From the Burbs and I love Hip-Hop. This Album is AMZING! theres every some hard beats (N***** in Paris, HAM, illest MotherFucker Alive) and the you have some good soul Samples (Otis, Gotta Have It, Primetime, The Joy) got a good Radio song (Lift Off) and Everything else is just amazing.
But like I Still got some Waka Flocka, Some Gucci, Some Ross. I’ll admit it. Cause don’t We All at some time just wanna throw on our Headphones and Scream: I THING IM BIG MEECH! LARRY HOOVER! but at the same time, I can still have albums like this or like college Droupout, or like Illmatic… Just love the music
I totally agree to what you say. Why can’t hip hop have a subgenre? Pop music have three subgenres and rock does too. NO wonder they keep dominating the charts because they have more to offer the public. I’m over the age of 25 so I can relate to the references and music of this album more. I grew up listening to tribe called quest,black moon,wu-tang,onyx,lords of the underground,old mobb deep,tupac,biggie,jay-z,nas,eminem,camp lo etc. So I very much appreciate this album. This album pays tribute to the eras in hip hop in the past ranging from late 80’s to early 2000’s. It also gives a preview of what future hip hop might sound like. People need to realize that Jay is 42 years old so his catering to the audience who grew up on him and grew with him. Kanye is following his lead very well also.Watch The Throne is an excellent if you embrace innovation and growth.
Haha I’m 17 and like it…it’s about how much u can objectively recognize music and most people can’t especially the younger ones…so i agrree with you partly
Those who haven’t evolved their sense for recognizing art & music won’t appreciate this and MBDTF because it doesn’t sound like they’re “ordinary” hip hop song…Boom bap beats, soul samples, premo like cuts etc…
Well to all that replied…its good to see younger generation apreciating music and something that pushed the envelope. But you guys I guarantee are very few amongst your peers. Like I said before Its good to see older cats in the game staying true to themsleves and NOT try to make music for teenagers..because they just sound and look silly trying to do it. Society has deemed hiphop and young mans game. It should’nt be that way..How can it grow when our artist have such a short life expectancy. Meanwhile the Rolling Stones, and other rock bands or groups and country etc,, can make music as long as they want and tour as long as they want. Hip Hop needs to showcase every aspect of growth..the youth voice is important..but don’t shun the old mature artist just because they are older. Thats why I can’t stand other rap artist clowing Jay becuase he is older. Thats all they can come with. They say they don’t want to be a old ass rapper.They don’t even realize that they are limiting there own carreer and oppurtunitys. If you feel that way..then you WERE NEVER A ARTIST. There is no retirement for a creative person or Artist. If that is who you are then you are that till you die. You are going to want to keep creating and painting picutres. Thats why Jay-z says he cringes when he watches the Black album documentary when he talks about retirement…I think at that momement he realize that he is a ARTIST…Not just a huslter.and buisness man.
I toally agree with you TRUTH cuz you spoke tzhe truth…it will take time but people will recongize this sooner or later
Album is gr8. Masterful art on EVRY track. For all yall haters I think Lil Wendy(wayne) album is coming soon yall can enjoy tht bubblegum buttfuck rap soon enuff. 5 STAR album in my book
garbage spicegirls rap.
Smh if this shit is “sooo wack”, why do I continue to play it repeatedly? I know I’m not crazy. I wouldn’t just sit here and torture myself w/ wack shit. Why is it playing everywhere I go (I live in Atlanta btw)? Why is everyone I know, male or female, talking about it? Why are there 1013 posts about it on this site alone? Why is it projected to sell over half a million w/o a proper radio single or even so much as a video?
Cuz this is real music right here.
a) you got shit taste
b) i havent heard it playin anywhere once
c) theyve been promoting the shit outta it heavy for a year
You must live in the burbs bruh. Either that or you stay in the house all day listening to your favorite no-name rapper like a lame. They’re definitely playing this shit everywhere.
And they’ve only been promoting it since January when Ham dropped. And they barely have been promoting it since then. I don’t count Kanye’s tweets as promotion.
Some of you are on some dickriding shit. I’ve liked Jay-Z since RD, but this shit is average as fuck. Dude showed up for half of the album. And Kayne…we know you can do better behind the boards. Overproduced beats and his rhymes are mediocre as hell.
I didn’t know niggas could “overproduce” nowadays, lol. First you’re not good enough, then you’re too good. Smh, you people… lmao
Not knowing what overproducing is shows how stupid you are
I kno the term very well friend. Doesn’t mean it’s not a load of backpacker BS.
hhdx jus be throwin out 4 star ratings
go check the last 20 reviews 17 will be 4 stars
Jayz dickriders need to leave. This dude fell off after the blueprint 2. And Kanye was average production wise and lyric wise.
Fell off after BP2? So you’re saying The Black Album and American Gangster aren’t good albums? GTFO. Your opinion is no longer valid.
YOU’RE the Jay-Z dick rider. You’re just taking it from the back, lol.
BP3 & Kingdom Come are 4/5 to me too……..
1. ‘No Church in The Wild’ (Feat. Frank Ocean ) 7/10(pending)
2. ‘Lift Off’ (Feat. Beyoncé) 6/10(pending)
3. ‘N—-s in Paris ’ 7/10(pending)
4. ‘Otis’ (Feat. Otis Redding) 9/10(mainstream radio/Swag, let the beat do most of the work)
5. ‘Gotta Have It’ 9/10(mainstream radio/Swag/ best radio song on the album)
6. ‘New Day’ 9/10 (co produced by the RZA, chill/relax/kickback feel)
7. ‘Prime Time’ 8 or9/10(dope lyrics)
8. ‘Who Gon Stop Me’ 9/10(mainstream radio/Swag)
9. ‘Murder to Excellence’ 10/10(my personal favorite, “redefine black powerâ€)
10. ‘Welcome to The Jungle’ 9/10(the game praises this song, Gritty beat)
11. ‘Sweet Baby Jesus’ (Feat. Frank Ocean ) 7/10(creative points)
12. ‘Why I Love You’ (Feat. Mr Hudson) 7/10 (talks about past friends Dame??? Beans???)
Bonus Tracks
13. ‘Illest Motherf—er Alive’ 8/10(pending)
14. ‘H*A*M’ 8/10(mainstream radio/ Swag)
15. ‘That’s My B***h’ 8/10(creative points, hook, and beat is different)
16. ‘The Joy’ (Feat. Curtis Mayfield) 10/10(Classic Material, if you like Otis, you’ll Love this. Timeless music)
My dude, with that gay comment, come out the closet homie. American gangster and the Black album was not jay’s best work. They were decent at best.Your in denial.
Any Jay-Z fan will tell you what it is bruh. The holy trinity of Jay-Z albums:
1)Reasonable Doubt
2)The Blueprint
3)The Black Album
American Gangster is EASILY in his top 5. You OBVIOUSLY don’t follow Hov’s work like that… which is cool, but don’t speak on things you know nothing about bruh.
Co-Sign. His crown jewels are Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint and The Black Album. Those are untouchable imo. I’d choose American Gangster as his forth best, the storytelling was incredible and cinematic as fuck and then Watch The Throne not too far behind.
Meh, I don’t like this does not mean am hating. Jay is one of the Greatest to every bless the mic, kanye always held his own as a great producer and simple rapper. But compared to their standards(Especially Jay), this album is not that great…its just a recommendation. Jay’s rhymes, flow, lyrics on this are just simple, not as complex or metaphoric as before. Forget the beats(Its Genius), listen to what they are saying, they repeat themselves too often. 80% of this album is just Ego rap. 3/5
One of the best arguments I’ve read
All the hate on this album makes me love it more.
Reasonable Doubt
Blueprint 1
Blueprint 2
That is the “trifecta” of Jayz. Those 3 are straight classics. Black Album had decent cuts, but was too watered down lyrically. American gangster was basically promotion for the Denzel movie, and was average at best. You a jayz fan boy and not a true hiphop head. i respect dat, but don’t act like Jay-z can’t do no wrong.
Your a Jay-Z fan boy for saying BP2 was a classic. I respect your opinion my g, but I don’t think anyone on DX will support that statement, lol. BP2 get’s a 3.5/5, imo. Oh and trust me, Jay has done A LOT of wrong. But The Black Album is undeniable Hip-Hop. Certified classic. American Gangster was very solid. Cult classic.
Black Album>>>>>>>>BP2
BP2 is jay-z weakest release EVER
Blueprint 2 was terrible. The Black Album fucks it up with 3 random songs picked out of the tracklist. This was Jay in his absolute prime, with insight, social awareness, amazing wordplay and incredible flows. American Gangster sounded like an updated version of Reasonable Doubt and was also great, don’t know how anyone could dismiss this with songs ”Pray”, ”American Dreamin’ ”, ”No Hook” or ”Fallen”. He stepped it up big time for this after Kingdom Come and finally sounded hungry and inspired again.
actually Vol. 1 is the weekest jay-z album
Everybody who says Jay-Z felloff or Kanye isn’t that nice. Are either haters or delusional. This album is the one of the best things to happen to mainstream hip hop because it’s taking rap back to it’s roots which is lyricism,creativeness and substance. How is this album anywhere near pop? They’re not even talking about topics that are even popular in today’s rap. Things such as black on black crime,narrowess of black success,maturing,learning from past mistakes , collecting haute couture and high-art pieces. The person in this forum said it best this is art and art has always recieved love/hate reaction. Picasso and Matisse all had mixed reviews when they debuted their work in galleries. Many though it was corny, others thought is wasn’t real art,other thought it was offensive and some thought it was intriguing and awe-inspiring. Now today their consider classic pieces worth hundreds of millions of dollars.You can’t really judge this album based off of people reactions now, you have to base of what people think years down the road.
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Hate on but this is how I’ll rank things:
1.Saigon- The Greatest Story Never Told 4.5/5
2.Pharoah Monch- W.A.R. 4.5/5
3.Jay-Z & Kanye West- Watch The Throne 4/5
4.Kendrick Lamar- Section .80 4/5
5.Skyzoo- The Great Debators 4/5 (All Original Music)
6.Raekwon- Wu-Tang Vs. Shaolin 4/5
7.Blu- Her Favorite Colo(u)r 4/5
8.Curren$y & Alchemist- Covert Coup 4/5
9.The Cool Kids- When Fish Ride Bicycles 4/5
10.Mikkey Halsted- The Dark Room 4/5
11.Reks- Rhythmatic Eternal King Supreme (4/5)
12.Bad Meets Evil- Hell: The Sequal 3.5/5
13.Joel Ortiz- Free Agent 3.5/5
14.Talib Kweli- Gutter Rainbows 3.5/5
15.Big Sean- Finally Famous 3.5/5
16.Pusha T- Fear of God 3.5/5 (All Original Music)
17.Random Axe- Random Axe- 3.5/5
18.Big Krit- Returnof4eva 3.5/5 (All Original Music)
19.Lupe Fiasco- Lasers 3.5/5
20.Pete Rock & Smif & Wessun- Monumental 3.5/5
21.Slaughterhouse- SlaughterhouseThe Ep 3.5/5
22.Black Rob- Hood Tested, Game Approved 3/5
23.Wiz Khalifa- Rolling Papers 2.5/5
I think Phonte, Median, Freeway,J. Cole, Jay Electronica, The Game & Lil Wayne will change the rankings upalot can’t wait to here their new material. Keeping my fingers cross we’ll get a malice mixtape & a nas album this year too
ur list sucks dick.!
You have some good stuff on here and seem to know @ least something about hip hop, but the fact you don’t have ELZHI’S ELMATIC IN YOUR TOP 3 (MY NUMBER 1 EASILY) is basically blasphemy. Elzhi is the the most consistent super duper dope emcee alive imo (over the last 5-7 year period)
Haven’t heard Elzhi yet, Royce 5’9′, or that Ski Beatz cd yeat. I heard the Elzhi was amazing, I thought his debut the Preface was very good, last cd Black Milk sampled on, he stop[ sampling for some odd reason
Yall being ridiculous with this Elzhi stuff. THAT WAS SOME EASY shit to do for him. Nas made it first!
El got way doper shit, try checking out some of HIS material, before you rate him.
They’re acting like Illmatic doesn’t exist, which is, to be honest, beyond ridiculous for many obvious reasons.
Nice list…i agree with you on most parts but i would WTT a 4.5 along with Section #80 but thats just me…
Classic!! On behalf of the Young Money Co. we would like to announce this CD as a masterpiece. We will never try to compete against this.
Signed by:
Lil Wayne, Drake, Tyga, Lil Twist, Gudda Gudda, Birdman, etc.
this would be great album if it wasn’t for 5-6 beats and jay lazy rapping. I mean he can shine here and there but mostly his lyrics repeat over and over how he is rich. That is understandable because album title is watch the throne, but it is my opinion there were supposed to be more stories how they got there. Solid album nevertheless. 3.5/5.
this shit cray
Perfect
If anyone other than Kanye and Jay-Z put this out, it wouldnt get HALF of all this acclaim. Its mediocre at best. Lyrically they do their thing…. But the beats are very experimental and below par of what I was expecting. You can get into it and listen to the album and enjoy it, but its not the kind of album that immediately hits you (Like GRODT, Midnight Marauders, The Chronic 1&2, etc..) IMO.
Its good but not great.
respect is due they earn the right to experiment, they have classic & near classics to their name stop hating
well “anonymous”, I didnt say it was a bad thing that they were experamental with the beats…. The problem is that the Beats WERE’NT VERY GOOD! I agree that they both have classics under thier belts and they have the right to experiment. I also have the right to tell them (though message boards) when they missed the mark. Nothing in my original post was “hating”, it was just being objectionable….
…Muthafuckas are always quick to make themselves sound stupid on the internet #KanyeShrug
u are hating when u say it’s mediorce, because it’s very listenable all the way through. Beanie Sigel- The Solution is Mediocre. This is an ill cd, no cd with Pete Rock, Kanye, The RZA, Swizz & the underrated 88 Keys can possibly have beats that would be considered mediocre. Please define me mediocre dyck head. when u say something is mediocre that’s a noun describing your feeling, and mediocre implie you have a less than favorable feeling, so you weren’t being objectionable, this is english 101…. step ya adjective game up and learn how to convey your feelings properly homie
The albums that grow are usually the ones that really stand the test of time, because they get better and better which each listen, while the ones you like from the start lose their beginning fascination and start to get played out after a while.
The album is primarily important because it is them. They have the cultural impact of John Lennon only instead of Nixon trying to deport them, they have Obama on the text. For a person of this visibility to connect himself with Fred Hampton speaks volumes. It’s bigger than Hip Hop, we may be watching spooks sitting by the door. Know the ledge. PEACE.
Respect it.
Listen I’m one of the biggest 96/97-02/early 03 Em Stans you will ever meet, but i’m also a realist and ANYONE calling this a CLASSIC or more than 3.5/5 you’re on crack, a blind fan, or don’t know about all the other amazing emcees out there who are slept on. Same goes w/ Jay-Z post Black Album. Watch the throne is 3/5, Bad Meets Evil EP is 3/5. Both have 4-5 nice tracks and alot of ehhhh tracks.
Em himself said after being drugged out for 4-5 years (04-08, almost dying twice of 2 ODs) that he had to “learn to rap, write, flow, perform again and now w/out recreational drugs like weed/liquor” (which always helped with natural creativity/sense of humor/performing/saying crazy dope ish).
I’d personally give this a 3/5 as an EP. There are some nice tracks, but again if 97-02 Em and Royce @ his best on this would of made an 11 track EP, that would be a 4.5-5/5, so how could this be that?
Also Em is close to Dre, Royce is close to Primo, they’re both close to Alchemist and you’re telling me they couldn’t get 3-4 beats from these ILL producers? How about Black Milk for a good look to Detroit? How bout a feature from Elzhi (although I understand why they didn’t since he’s much iller than them in 2011, then again he’s iller than basically anyone)? Take out the 4 weakest songs and put in beats by Dre, Primo, Alchemist, and Black Milk maybe would of bumped it up to 4/5.
And again Em just isn’t as smooth with the mulit’s/tone/god damn rewind that moments as he used to be. Facts are facts people and again this is coming from someone who thinks Em from 97-02/03 is one of the GOATs in my personal top 1-10 along w/ Nas, Kool G Rap, Pun, Big L, Elzhi, Andre 3000 (94-2000), Black Thought, Kweli (he gets in there for his best ish and being amazing live), Pharoahe Monch (been super dope for 20 years)…Honarable mention to prime Jay-Z (96-03), Rakim, Prime Ice Cube, Prime Canibus/Redman, Pac/Big, Tonedeff, Louis Logic, Diabolic, Crooked I (needs an LP), Copywrite, Apathy, Slug, Masta Ace, Common, Mos Def, Prime KRS-One/BDK.
Please try and keep things in perspective people…ELMATIC IS A 5, LIAR AND A THIEF IS A 4.5, SSLP IS A 5, ILLMATIC IS A 5, REASONABLE DOUBT IS A 5, READY TO DIE IS A 5, WU TANG’S FIRST 2 ALBUMS ARE 4.5-5s, BLACKSTAR AND MOS/KWELI’S DEBUT LPs are 5s, PUN’S CAPITAL PUNISHMENT IS A 5, CUNNINLYNGUISTS “A PIECE OF STRANGE” IS A 4.5-5, OUTKAST’S 2ND/3RD LPS ARE 5s, DE LA AND TRIBE EACH HAVE TWO 5s, IT was Written is a 4.5-5, MMLP/Em Show are 4.5-5s, Stillmatic is a 4.5, Elzhi’s The Preface is a 4.5, Roots have 4+ 4.5-5 albums, Pharoahe Monch Internal Affairs is a 5, BLU “BELOW THE HEAVENS” is a 4.5-5, One be Lo’s “S.O.N.O.G.R.A.M” is a 4.5, LOUIS LOGIC/TONEDEFF/MC JUICE all have 4.5-5s.
I could go on for days, but bottom line is THOSE are 4.5-5 albums (along w/ many i didn’t mention) so how in gods name could 2011 38.5 year old way past his prime Em w/ some filler tracks and no all time great producers on there be a 4.5-5?
Get some perspective ppl
eminem show is a solid 4
I think you’re just a bitter fan who is upset that your favorite artists wont stay in the box you placed them in. As a result, you shut your ear to any new material they release that doesn’t sound like their old music.
Oh and btw, all of those artists that you named are great, but that’s just one dimension of hip-hop. The possibilities of what hip-hop can sound like are limitless. Just because an artist doesn’t fit into your classic Hip-Hop model doesn’t mean it isn’t good.
Get some perspective guy.
Definitely not stuck in a box, timeless hip-hop is pretty obvious. I like the Roots thats Live Instrumentation and Lyrics that appease my intellect. I like Kanye he sample all genre’s of music, I like the cool Kids and their bass beats and I like J.cole MPC beats. I love a variety of beats so please go away with that whole I’m stuck in a box crap. It’s a disrespectful assumption that u make. I think the people stuck in the box are people that don’t respect jigga & Ye progression, Jay-Z word play is ridiculous I remember Killing Drake last year on the man’s own album. Eminem is a shadow of himself because he’s lost his two most important traits, Humor & Sarcasim. He can’t carry an whole album anymore, he’s been reduced to killing people on their own songs, a guest spot rapper. he only still sell because he white because after “The Eminem Show” his album have been subpar
Your underground fanboyism is way too deep, you’re stucked sooo much into it that you forbid yourself to like widely known music. So, what happens if anyone thinks that the albums you rated don’t deserve the ratings you gave them? You could turn this around and go on and on. Not everything that’s released has to sound the same with a rapper who’s in a box and talks about the struggle in his community with a multi-syllabic rhyme scheme on simplified beats with soul samples. Beyond that, you listed obvious underground favorites that get overhyped way too much, if you take the underrated thing away, there’s usually not much else. Ratings are subjective, no matter how hard you try to put it under objective criticism. Innovation and progression over complex multis and straight Hip Hop beats anyday. BTW, Jay could fuck with all of the rappers you mentioned. You’re focusing way too much on made up Hip Hop rules.
This album SUCKED, didnt take a genius to know it would. Too many fanboys and mainstream fans in denial… they probly think this is the best hiphop record ever
Yeah, because you said to yourself that it sucked before you listened and got your paranoia mode on ”Ahh, this is a mainstream influenced record, I can’t be true to Hip Hop if I like this”. I love underground music, but I’d take this over all the same sounding, boom bap-inspired independet albums I’ve heard this year EASILY. Every single one of them sounded exactly the same, while this takes a much more unconventional route, which I like way more than the recreating of a sound that’s long gone. No, I don’t believe anyone thinks this. This genre is way too great to call an album the best of all time.
Same holds true for an almost 42 year old Jay-Z…
I like Kanye’s first 2 LPs, but as an emcee he’s not even in my personal top 200 probably. He’s never had an album where he had the dopest verse on it aka enough said…
ppl throw out 4.5/5 and 5/5s way to easily even 4/5 for that matter….
ELMATIC IS A 4.5 OR 5/5 in 2011, Watch the Throne & Bad Meets Evil EP are 3/5s.
Those who can’t admit Elzhi murders all 4 on those projects lyrically (which is what being a dope emcee is about last time I checked) are deaf ignorant. If those are 4-5s what is Elmatic?
” …murders all 4 on those projects lyrically (which is what being a dope emcee is about last time I checked) are deaf ignorant…”
This is where you’re missing the point. Hip-Hop is NOT just about that. If hip-hop was only limited to that, it wouldn’t have lasted this long. Hip-Hop is a form of self-expression where honesty and truth reign supreme, NOT complexity or pointless verbal gymnastics. It’s about not being afraid to say what you feel, NOT saying what people want to hear. It’s about doing your own thing, NOT conforming to the style of your predecessors(even if your predecessor is yourself).
This isn’t some competition. Elmatic and Watch The Throne can co-exist as great pieces of art. Open up your closed mind man.
Co-Sign. I love Elmatic and this, what’s so hard about appreciating more kinds of Hip Hop music? Ratings stand for their own.
You guys are really lost. I’m from the D, and Elzhi is one of the best lyricists out period, but its really easy to take a person’s exact concepts and rhyme patterns and recreate their album.
Elmatic is cold, but ya’ll are really overrating that project. It was a tribute, not a product of his own create process.
He actually has better stuff than that.
The only real ground breaking classic released this year. An album of this quality was beyond my imagination when I heard HAM. 5 Stars easily.
Anybody who thinks this is a 5/5 really fed into the hype…its a sold 3.5..that lift off shit was corny…i felt embarassed for jay on niggas in paris ..a bunch of other forgetable tracks…the 2 standouts to me was the opening track and murder to excellence….had a blueprint 3 vibe but def better than that bullshit
LMAO @ RED album samples for having a much better rating than this. That shows you how images fuck up people’s ability to rate something properly. So many of the kids on this are site are attracted to this hard playing wanna be gangsta, it’s beyond laughable. That guy walking around with a star tattoo in his face, who talks about guns and drugs and cries about violence on other songs, who contradicts himself any time he opens his mouth and writes pathetic attempts of disses and drops more names than I can imagine gets praised? I mean, I you prefer a guy that got his best songs written by 50, no problem. An album, filled with pop features and shit talking with nursery rhymes that could be leftovers from any of his others albums gets a rating about 4.57? Seriously? Hip Hop is over. The fans, who aren’t open minded enough for creative projects, destroyed it.
beautiful comment..
Forreal! What the hell is wrong with these kids? The Game is garbage and has been since he stepped foot in the game. With all that damn name-dropping overrated bastard lol Just because Kanye is not a “street nigga” and Jay is no longer a “street nigga” these kids give this work of art of an album a bullshit user rating. What I really don’t understand is that only 384 people voted and out of that 384 only 187 gave it a perfect 5 rating, but there is 1100 posts on here! Something is not adding up here.If everybody who posted voted this album would have an higher user rating. Think about it.
I totally agree those who can’t realize that music change & evolve has destroyed hip hop…allong with those who are bumpin’ wacka flocka etc…
Shits a classic, at first i thought it was iight, but then it just grew on me too much..and there’s a lot of personal songs on this to..
yall haters
Numbers don’t lie.
In view of the past year – this discussion has generated over 1,700 comments in Hiphopdx. 3 times as many comments than the closets topic – in only a couple of days.
Clear sign that this album is big.
And the biggest number will be next week when it is revealed that it sold 400,000 to 500,000 units – with a Billboard Number #1. Ain’t that what “experts” are predicting?
Hate it or love it – this album is big.
Carter 3 was big was it good? No. Random Axe was awesome was it big? No. Lol not dissing Watch the Throne its not TERRIBLE prob a 3.5 but still numbers dont equal quality
Random Axe wasn’t all that, come on. All three rapeprs who were involved have dropped much better projects. That’s the kind of solidarity people have in Hip Hop if it comes to underground rappers. Either way, low numbers don’t equal quality, too.
You love it…They hate it…and me…well I got better stuff to listen to.
P.S. anybody who thinks this is a classic album has no fucking idea what a classic album sounds like…a month from now NO ONE will be listening to this…they will be too busy dickriding some other over hyped hip-pop album.
Well, I’m sure you’re able to tell us what classic albums sound like? There’s no formula, otherwise, great rappers who drop terrible albums, would’ve solved it out by now. Unpredictable, but good beats and quality lyricism, longevity and freshness define a classic. Anything that this album posesses. The true greatness of this album is proven by all the controversy it gains. Please don’t name any classics from the golden era, I’m sure you’re hyping them up to be ones, because other people did it. Overrated pop garbage is something like The R.E.D. Album.
Nigga who in hip hop is as big as Jay-Z and Kanye West(besides Eminem)? they are consider music icons not just hip hop icons. You my friend should jump off a 40 story building for that statement. How old are you anyway? You sound like a late 80’s or early 90’s baby.
Sorry not EVERY album is a “Classic” like Flockaveli…
Dumb MotherFucker.
Yo, after one full listen thru, gotta say this album is shitty as hell. Production is FUCKIN HORRIBLE!! U fuckin serious??? Unbelievable..
captivating
Can all the rappers hiding behind the keyboard stop posting hate and dissing the throne? Like I don’t know ya’ll disguising yourself under different names. I know ya’ll niggas scared because the game done changed now, so ya’ll have to stop putting out flimsy nursery rhyme metaphors and similes(Th Game,Drake/Lil Wayne)and create your own lanes. If hip hop doesn’t grow and change it will die for sure like any other genre. Watch The Throne niggas!
Yep…u’s a dickrider…”watch the throne niggas”…yep…u’s definately a dickrider.
No dipshit, I just really appreciate that big names in rap are trying to help rap evolve. It’s already dying out and being taken over by new pop and rock just look at the billboard charts. you should thank Jay-Z and Kanye for help keeping this genre as relevant as Adele. By the way you closeminded asshole I listen to all music and I’m a nigga.
This is 2011 dumbasses music in general should not sound same. Watch The Throne is on some 2040 shit and it’s light years ahead of it’s time.Plus niggas don’t appreciate and are ignorant to art.
I can throw a piece of shit up against the wall and call it art…so what exactly are u fucking saying jackass??? Just because it’s “art” dosen’t mean shit and another thing…originality is only good if the product of that originality is good. Keep making excuses for this European techno hip-pop garbage…real niggas know the deal…they know this shit is straight garbage.
“Real niggas” like yourself is the reason why rap is dying out. You guys are afraid to embrace growth and change. So thank yourself for contributing to the death of hip hop dominance 🙂 Dickhead!
I agree with Charles
You are all a bunch of stupid young ass idiots. This shit is classic as fuck. You haters are young and like shitty hipster music with your tight ass jeans and tilted trucker hats. Lame ass niggas get your stupid minds right.
They like hipster music? Aint that OFWGKTA’s Frank Ocean on two of them there tracks?
“Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?” -Jay-Z “Renegade” #cobobobo
Hip Hop really needed this album. Now niggas get your production and lyrical game up.
Why would who put up your email instead of a user name LOL Yeah you right though hip hop did need this album. I gave this album a 5 rating because it was so unusual for today’s music.
Kanyes production has superseded hip hop and taken it too another level. Those that fail to recognize the brilliance of this album fail to see that this album is bigger than rap, but yet the most hip hop album you have heard in like 5 years because its setting trends and not following. PS Jay- z spits one of my favorite verses in like 5 years on the RZA produced New Day… Real Tear jerker. Gotta have it is the song I predict will set the club on fire
“Classic”—-People throw this word around too much on dx, but have no idea what it means !!! SMH….
Garbage. I was bored the entire album. I can appreciate the attempts at a “creative edge” in the production, but it fell short of moving me in any direction. Lyrically .. it’s unimportant.
Because they didn’t say these things obvious into your face? Stay away from this msuic if you don’t get it.
Very disappointing! Wack! They could of done a lot better then this!
Exactly!! This album should be a game changer. It encourages emcees to become artists not just rappers. Come on lets start taking this popstar money, lets put hip hop to the forefront of music again. Cutting edge production, lyrics and marketing campaign. We need more collaborations. Five mics in the source!!!
That’s what I’m talking about I love that we are on the same page. Hip Hop acts don’t have the same respect in the music industry like legendary pop acts like Michael Jackson, Madonna,Prince,Stevie Wonder and U2. Jay and Kanye are trying to help hip hop get the same play one day. We have to take this to another level or the genre we love will die out soon.
Who is this crackhead talking about the album is lyrically unimportant? You ignorant nigga Jay and Kanye spitting bravely political in this album.With the starpower they have it can make alot of noise and it is ,because of the song “murder to excellence” the mother of the slain kid(DJ Henry) is able to get a better investigation case of her son’s wrongfully murder. They are pushing hip hop into a new place with this album. Where it is now is straight up wack. This “Grown Folks” so I wouldn’t expect your young as to like it. They’re rapping about shit that no black powerhouse would dare and are scared to say. This not suppose to a traditional hip hop album it’s unconventional. Go listen to that wackass gangster coke rap kiddie music Gee Money!Watch The Throne is for grown-ups not you PG-13 wannabe ganster murdering ass dummies
How the hell did game get a higher user rating? Explain that mystery to me. The editor didn’t even rate his shit that damn high. This seems like a conspiracy me to me. Also how the hell can anybody in their right mind say WTT is wack? This album is straight FIRE!! You must of listened to the wrong album by mistake. It’s a breath of fresh air from a lot these corny ass albums that been made this year. I know The Game and other rappers(competitors) sent their people out to this site to give this album poor ratings. Stop the bullshit right now this album has been getting rave reviews all over the world. Somebody please send viruses and trojans to these hating ass niggas, so they won’t be able to get on the computer with this dumb shit.
calm down sophie…..game album hasnt been reviewed yet but of course game album gonna shit on this..kanye is a average rapper ..jay is washed up
The Game is as irrelevant as 50 cent. Ain’t nobody checking for him but you and other gangsta wannabes. The Game is not going to sell don’t he know gangsta rappers are hardly putting a dent in the charts.
i dont care about sales they all rich…fact is red album sample sound better than WTT…august 23rd bout to be funny..RED 5 stars lol
If you like this kind of dumbed down music, that’s right.
Don’t concern yourself with this ratings system, it’s determined by lovers and haters. Listen to the album and judge for yourself. If you want a true representation of how people are rating this album, its number one in 23 countries across the world this week. And you know what people will say??? People will say yeah because its mainstream, its commercial, they are sheep, they don’t know good music, blah blah blah. Right well its 2011, and nowadays you can hear an album before you buy it. And if a person listened to it, thought it sucked, and STILL bought it, then he might be a dickrider. But if they heard it and bought it because they liked it, then it must have been good to them. And the fans of an artist determine what’s good by that artist, not the haters.
And this is good, can’t call it classic or game-changing because it didn’t impact me like that.
Everybody who reads on their spare time or who are 26 and over should be only allowed to rate this near-classic album. If you don’t meet these particular standards please get the fuck off this page.
CLASSIC!!!!
hot stop hatting,
Even Royce Da 5’9 is feeling this album. He said WTT is “Great for Hip Hop”. Just check out his interview on MTV. Jay and Kanye set out to one thing and that’s take hip hop to higher plane. They did not make this album to please the hip hop heads,critics or the pop culture. Be thankful they’re blessing you with this great joint venture , because they didn’t have to put out this album they wanted to do for the love of hip hop. “If you can’t respect that your whole perspective is wack”
Co-Sign. This project is for Hip Hop, two of the greatest in their department coming to together for a whole project.
You sound stupid. Do u expect Royce to say the project is bad ????? Do you expect kanye to call Hell: The Sequel Bad ????
9th said it wasn’t for him. does 9th wonder have more balls than royce?
And justified himself over 20 times.
9th mad he not on the album didnt he dedicate an entire mixtape to jay-z using his rhymes over his production smh he just mad his summer got tucked in
9th has Median & Phonte to work, who are monsters and great rappers in their own respect if you’re paying attention they’ve been getting the same critical acclaim(ye & jigga have recieved) for years and have near classics under belts, lots of them, so 9th’s mave not have the money but him & his crew have the respect.
borderline classic
This album is bananas!! Jay and Kanye never disappoints
Royce the only one who got it right. This one of the most influential records of all time. Like he said, people wanna be rappers because of Jay-Z and Kayne and if something inspires people, it’s a definite classic.
Meh…Shut up. Ask kanye or jay what he thinks about BME, he’s definitely gonna call it great too.
MASTERPIECE!
Outflanked by the samples they chose to borrow, Watch the Throne is more notable for its general lack of impact. Neither as compulsively neurotic as Eminem, as languidly characterful as Snoop Dogg, nor as furiously articulate as Nas, the raps here represent a pretty mediocre, cardboard kind of throne, truth be told
pretty sick …
this album grows on me more and more every time…
Listen to it loud and driving fast and drunk…
Cutting Edge ear tingling goodies…
this shit cray…
”The percentage who don’t understand is higher than the percentage who do
Check yourself: what percentage is you?”
Not a classic but pretty damn good. Was kinda bored the first listen, but subsequent listens taught me to appreciate what it was, not was I was expecting. Kanye’s production always sounds good high.
u want jigga and ye to give ya niggas a reach around too? this album exceeded expectations. better than Graduation, BP3 and might be better than MBDTF. it’s ashame that this record isn’t a 4 or better on the user ratings. SUBURBAN ASS NIGGAS
Better after each listen… For them to put this type of Album together in about 6 months or so is crazy… We’ve been waiting on Detox for what 10 years.. i remember when artists would take a year or 2 to put out a cd. I can only imagine if they took their time and cooked this slow.. They def pulled this off…
ah man thats my bitch it sounds like its from the early 90’s with the public enemy sample and that old school break beat with the chorus then you throw in some guy that sounds like johnny gill then jay verse is crazy probably offensive to some people but isnt rap suppose to be.i like how kanye verse contradicts jay verse it also shows the age difference and where each rapper is at in there personal lives.is kane throwin a shot at wiz on the chorus because he been killin amber rose with the subliminals since MDTF well anyway this is one of the songs i slept on now i cant skip it so this album is a classic for ME.
so… i love it
Classic
it was all good just a week ago niggas feel theyselves and then watch the throne drop niggas kill theyselves what niggas gon do hov? this a new crack on a new stove.
#dope
shit is blues flames
A nigga still young, wanna have no kids / But I’ve been practicing with some actresses as bad as shit / And a few white girls, asses flat a shit / But the head so good, damn a nigga glad he hit.
this album is crazy deluxe version a must
also co-signed
4 stars is too generous !
Co-sign that
Thank you Jay and Kanye for blessing us with hip hop music for the older crowd and more open-minded musical audience.
JUST LISTEN TO JIGGA’S LAST VERSE ON MURDER TO EXCELLENCE AND THEN YOU’LL UNDERSTAND…CLASSIC 5 MIC MATERIAL. YOUR IN AMERICA IF YOU DON’T GET MONEY YOU’RE A DOUCHE BAG…WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? *kanye shrug* WE MADE IT IN AMERICAAAHAHHH
Sheepskin coats/I silence the lambs/do you know who I am Clarice?-Hannibal Lector reference Hov is on another level I swear. Classic verse give this shit five stars and stop playing.
The production on this album is genius(Thanks to Ye). But the rapping pretty much mediocre, and the lyrics are like ehh.. I’d switch the rapping & Lyrics on Bad Meets Evil to this, it will be more than perfect !
No it won’t cuz BME is only about punchlines…but the album is addressing the problems of blacks in america and the faulty system…you just don’t understand the album…
BME was only punchlines ??????? get d fuck outta here.
Yes I second that, BME is punchlines only good not great, gets a 3.5/5 from me because of lack of topics & questionable production
BME lacked topics ???? yea, production was sub par, but topics ???????? smh. And what problems is WTT addressing ? u guys talk as if your ears hear better than ours !
so people really will act like ” Murder to Excellence”, “The Joy” and “New Day” don’t exist as socially concious records haha yall kill me
Hate it or Love it.
1. Saigon—-Greatest Story Never Told 5/5
2. Tech n9ne—-All 6’s and 7’s 4.5/5
3. Kendrick Lamar—–Section 8.0 4.5/5
4. BME—-Hell: The Sequel 4/5
5. Pharoah Monch—–W.A.R. 4/5
6. Raekwon——Wu-Tang Vs. Shaolin 4/5
7. Royce da 5’9—–Success Is Certain 3.5/5
8. Blu—— Her Favorite Color 3.5/5
9. The Throne—–Watch The Throne 3.5/5
10.Joel Ortiz——Free Agent 3.5/5
Tech 9 sucks he just has a cult following, I’ll give u a pass on the rest of the list
this album gets exponentially better after a cpl listens and sounds good on speaker systems..matter of fact..fuck this review..this shit is what the future sounds like..and i feel sorry for so-called hiphop fans that just wont get to grasp what just happened on this album..the production is stellar..the rhymes is bar after bar..i fuckn hate #dirtybackpackers..stay rewritin history..every fuckn car and club in Chicago just “got” this album and any self respecting hip-hop fan over 25 should def feel this shit..this is hiphop excellence at its best…
you’re right Nathan S. from djbooth.net has an much better review as a matter of fact he always review an album right and without bias…
checked out that review..now that did this album justice..as a fan of hiphop in general..ive read some of the worst reviews of classic albums when they came out..Ready to die did not get a classic rating..reasonable doubt..wu tang first album..American Gangster..these nigz just be writing whatever with no basis..and lames(tools,sheep) just be following them..some of these comments on here sound so un-thought out..weak excuses..did anybody listen to this album..the tracks..the sound..the cohesiveness..the lyrics..oh my god..the lyrics..the fact that they even have them..the distinct sounds from different eras of hiphop..and its dummies on here talkin abt the beats..the beats is ridiculous..
@Life Accordin’ To Dutch:
You mad Jay z ass kisser.
First, Ready to die, reasonable doubt..wu tang first album(Lol, u don’t know the name, hahahaha) got classic reviews from inception. Secondly, American Gangster is no a classic, not even near.
And users are not commenting/writing without basis as u claim. Look at BME, Saigon, Tech n9ne, Kendrick Lamar, W.A.R, Raekwon new albums, most users gave good comments because they are actually good materials, those albums all have 4 and above user ratings.
Thirdly, Music criticism is completely subjective. A critic is reviewing this album, not critics(Just one person). That’s the critic(s) idea, and that’s why some critic(s) give 5/5, some 4/5, some 3/5, some 2/5 and so on. Some critic(s) are also fans of some artist(s). They praise everu material that artist(s) puts out. Eg, Pitchfork critics are fans of Jay and Jay and haters of Eminem. Rolling stone and MSN music critics are fans of Em and haters of Jay…and so on.
Also….Classic materials don’t get this ratings.
100/100
91/100
80/100
75/100
70/100
60/100
50/100
40/100
Thats a pretty much mixed to positive reviews. MBDTF got 100/100 all through, that’s a classic. Blueprint got mostly 100/100 as well, Illmatic, MMLP, RD, 36 chambers..etc..etc. Those are classics !
You like WTT does not mean its CLASSIC. its a good album(no doubt). We know classic albums from inception, even the haters won’t deny. I hate Ye, but MBDTF is a mad classic !
@Life Accordin’ To Dutch:
And what do u mean 25 and above ???? That’s dumb. My older bro has been following hip hop since the late 80’s till now, He’s 37, and he hates this album. U are a jay stan, ur comment clearly shows that, and u are butt hurt with the 3.67 user rating. Enough of ur lame excuses already, pls. Stop crying!
Yeah but is your brother smart and well-read is question? It’s not just age it’s competence and critical thinking with full comprehension. You can be under 25 love this album if your intelligent enough to understand it.
whatdoyoumean:
So, anyone who think WTT is weak is not smart or critically thinking ??? Am smarter than u, i can bet everything i have on that, but i hate WTT !!!
We needed somebody to reinvent the wheel in hip hop and Jay & Kanye are the ones suited to do it. They made an ablums they wanted to make. Jay got a lot of hidden jewels on this album, so I would never say the lyrics are mediocre. Bad Meets Evil was made in a since of a mixtape feeling,but WTT has an near-classic album feeling.
and “why i love you so” when they talking abt standing on the altar and Jay set up the whole Team comin for ur spot moment..i feel sorry for yall..its so much beauty on tht record..if u just dont “get” it..and u love ur so-called hiphop..u r stupid..its no point in even talkin to nigz who dont get how ridiculous this album is..i will neva understand ur point of view..and so-called Jay and Kanye fans sound even more stupid..u should slap yo-selves..real talk
Cosign !
You gotta be pretty damn smart to ‘get’ this album dude….
This dude, Life Accordin’ To Dutch, is kissing and sucking Jay’s dick all over DX. Enough of your stupid rants buddy.
in a post-common sense HIPHOP world..nothing will ever please..none of these opinions will be remembered because after your (I HATE JIGGA OR KANYE) moment has passed u will realize..damn this album still sound good and i have bad-ears..
and this dick sucking dutch hypocrite is going to rant all over dx because niggas hate WTT….lol
Correction incompetent and narrow-mined niggas hate Watch The Throne.
Good a$$ album
I got to breakdown “Otis” because there is an nice concept behind it which I just understood when I read a comment on rapgenius.com
In the first 3 lines sang by Otis Redding from “Trying a Little Tenderness” the pronoun “it” reffered to the tenderness making the relationship better but in this song which is all about Money, Power and Influence which I abbreviate MPI the “it” can be interpreted as making pimpin etc. easier…which goes hand in hand with The Thrones rhyme scheme. In this version the 4th line sang by Otis Redding can be interpreted that now-a-days material things make women happy opposed to the past where the love of an honest man could make a woman happy.
The fourth line originally could mean that you should some tenderness & love by squeezing & never leaving her, while in this version it could be reffering to money as a woman…Meaning you should never walk away from money.
As Otis fades before gettting chopped & looped Jay-Z ask if it isn’t soulfull, however in this case you have to answer it with no, considering the song has no tenderness within it.
Sucks ass, not hating just telling the fact.
Bad Meets Evil > Otis Fags
and ur a dumb kid
That’s not fact, it’s your slanted opinion,because you don’t know the difference between pushing the enevolpe and staying safe. This album fuses rock,dubstep,soulful music,golden age era hip hop late 80’s early 90’s,current rap all in one. So fans of each genre will appreciate and consider this leaps and bounds beyond anything that’s been released this year. Nu-metal has morphed into dubstep and if hip hop doesn’t go through metamorphsis it will be wiped out just like disco in early 80’s.
what an idiot, what relevant topic did em & Royce rap about
Co-Sign to that !
what relevant topic did em n royce rap about?
first, BME is not suppose to rap sense or relevant topic. These are battle mc who come together to spit hot shit. bad meets evil is more of who can talk more bullshit, who has sicker rhymes, metaphors, flow, wordplay, who pops more pills, u slaps more bitches..etc. The name of the group tells it all. listen to the old.bme, they never rap relevant issues, Renegade was a fun record(listen to the original).
secondly, what relevant topic did jay n ye rap about besides riches n illuminati ???? now u are the idiot !
hahah u missed out plenty of topics on wtt from fatherhood to race issues in americ black on black crime
THANK YOU completly agree!!!! no hating here but it simply true trying to copy bad meets evil big mistake they should of released a year later but “watch the throne will still go on the radio more than bad meets evil … shame
“hell the sequel” recomended also “success is certain” !!!!!!!
They were not trying to copy Bad Meets Evil. Did you listen to the album or you just ranting empty opinions? Bad Meets Evil is more mixtape with no touching or provocative lyrics. WTT was a collaboration “ALBUM” not who’s more lyrical mixtape. Bad Meets Evil is a mastered full-lenght mixtape. Stop talking as though Royce and Em started collab albums, this kind of shit has been apart of hip hop for years. Krs-One and Buckshot put a collaboration album in 2009, so what you saying? Eminem is no doubt one of the greatest emcees to bless the mic, but he wasn’t saying shit on the BME album. Besides he really has lost his spark, he’s not the same nomore.
“fatherhood to race issues in americ black on black crime”—–Fatherhood ???? Both of them(Ye and Jay) and not parents, what do they know about fatherhood???
Race, black on black crime had been addressed millions of times b4, so it’s nothing new.
Thats what people are saying, that WTT has nothing new to offer, its a good record but same old shit…No hating !
Who the fuck is calling BME a mixtape ???? That shit sounds like an album.
This album should recieved a near-classic rating by the editor. It should of at least recieved 4.5 stars. This album is on some Back To The Future part1 and 2 shit. The album takes to the past then takes to future. This is an anomaly of hip hop and digging that shit.
thats not that impressive… i hope you know that…
I’m willing to bet all those who dislike this album are probably under 25. Five stars bitches
who tha fuc is comparin that boring ass BAd meets evil shit to this masterpiece..nobody cares abt Eminem fuckboyz..we dont live in trailers or the suburbs and we like real beats and our rappers that talk abt real shit..Eminem has no inner city fanbase..no clubs play his shit..no djs..if anybody was illuminati..its him..his biggest show this yr was a gift that Jay threw him..tht joint city bullshit..he dont tour..he just a rich ass white boy livin off old accomplishments..stop callin tht fool underground..he sells the most records..yall will say anything..he has no hits..fucouttahere with that bullshit
crazy first he in a relapse then he goes to recovery got his fans feeling sorry well guess what? on BME he back to popppin pills lolol he on everything lol
@Life Accordin; To Dutch(The Faggot)
Real Quick……Em>>>>>>Jay+Ye
HTS>>>>>WTT
Secondly, That comment of your’s is stupid and BS from the last word to the Last. It’s an obvious reflection of how stupid you might be in real life, I think you are stupid !
“we dont live in trailers or the suburbs “—–One of the dummiest comment ever. Sophisticated boys are the ones that like Em, Ghetto boys without dreams and ambitions like Jay.
“we like real beats and our rappers that talk abt real shit”——Another dumb line. What do u mean “Real Beats”??? Em raps on fake beats ??? LMAO !!! “Real shit” ???? Are u serious ????? Jay spits more real shit than EM ????? Wow !!! *Smh*
.Eminem has no inner city fanbase..no clubs play his shit..no djs——-Reals Facts: 1. Em is the most followed HUMAN BEING on Facebook(That’s a millstone jay will NEVER Reach). 2. Em is the most followed rapper on Twitter(Despite the fact that he never(barely) tweets). 3. Em only rapper with more than a billion views on youtube(Triples Jay’s current views). Em was the most streamed ARTIST(Not just Rapper) over the internet in 2010. Recovery was the most downloaded album on peer-peer networks.
4. Recovery was the first album EVER to cross a million digital download(Only Rapper to do so).
“his biggest show this yr was a gift that Jay threw him..tht joint city bullshit”——-Faggot, Em was hotter than jay in 2010(and still hotter). 80% of the fans that came to those shows were Eminem fans. Jay-z sets during the show was boring, Em’s set was more electric and the whole crowd went wild whenever he steps on stage. Jay works with rappers when they are hot. Em was so hot in the early 00’s that jay wanted him so bad on blueprint.
Whats jay’s biggest sellout crowd ?? 20,000 max(Madison square). Em rocked 90,000 just recently. He rocked a record setting 35,000 in canada recently too. Em and Jay headlined T in the Park festival in Europe sometime last year(But different dates though). 15,000 fans came to watch Jay, 40,000+ came to watch Em. 100,000+ are currently waiting for him at the V festival.
“he dont tour”——-Anger Management tour grossed more money than any Jay-z’s tour, and that was six years ago. Em’s shows sellout in seconds. Em sold out 90,000 in UK in 2004 and still cancelled the show, Can jay do that ?
“no clubs play his shit..no djs.”—–Simple answer to that. Em doesn’t make club make. He makes music that stick in the head, not dance or bounce club music. Still, Em get more spin on radio stations than Jay(U are clearly stupid)!!.
“he just a rich ass white boy livin off old accomplishments..stop callin tht fool underground”——-Faggot nigga, U mad ??? U hate Em so much right ???? LMFAO !!!! Jay is living off his riches. If jay was like nas(Riches wise), no one will recognize him. Name jay’s last hot Album ? Black Album(2003).
Underground ??? EM is underground to the fullest….Hate all u want, His lyrics and rhymes clearly shows that.
“he has no hits”——Now, am 100% sure you are stupid, mentally retarded and foolish. Em has no hits ????????????? You bastard, Em has more hits than jay. Rolling stone greatest 500 songs of all time—-#270: Stan, #160: Lose Yourself. Jay has no entry in that list, not even one. Greatest 100 artist of all time, Em #82, Jay, No Entry !!!
Bye you mentally retarded ghetto bastard !!!!
As much as i hate Em, how can you say “Em has no hits” just becoz u don’t hear his songs in shitty night clubs ? Travel far and wide buddy, Clubs/dj’s spins Em music every time to to the extent that makes me want to slap the Dj.
Love Jay, Love WTT, but that shit ur talkin about Em is pure FOOLISHNESS.
@Ng You sound mad unresearched who gives a damn he’s not on the rollingstones entry for greatest songs of all time when he’s in the entry twice for greatest albums of all time on rollingstones. Please use google before you type shit. Jay-Z is on list of Greatest Artists of All Time on rollingstones check again stupidass. Google and you shall see.
Dan:
Nah, Jay has one Entry in 500 Greatest “SONGS” of all times(Big Pimpin, #467). He’s on the Greatest “ARTISTS” of all times(#88, Em #82). He has two entries on the greatest album(RD, Blueprint), Em has Three(SSLP, MMLP, TES)…. its open on rolling stone site.
This album is bullshit.
The production is totally garbage, especially being compared to what Kanye was able to do a few years ago.
The arrangement in almost every song sounds like the beat was done by a person who bought fruity loops 2 days ago.
The mix is horrible. The ideas are pretty good but they weren’t realized nearly as good.
They were so focused doing an album that does not sound like anything else out there that the result is close to be worse than almost anything out there right now…
And don’t nobody tell me I wouldn’t ‘understand’ this album, I loved Kanye’s music from the early stages, but this one is a huge disappointment…..
The Joint with Rza is my favorite i could hear pac letter to my unborn verse over that beat
kids under 25 won’t appreciate the album. its too musically eclectic. Young people don’t have the patience to listen to something that doesn’t sound like Wacka or Gucci. its sad. This ablum is pretty. not great but pretty good. I agree with a 4 rating.
Two musical geniuses delivered an album that’s not your ordinary everyday hiphop album. I understand if people are like “what the hell is this”. And I have to admit I was one of those people, but this album has to grow on you. ‘Ye and Hov always produced some next level tunes and they did so with this album. If you want regular, ignorant, easy to digest tunes, go and pick up something by Waka.
I second that. They’re challenging hip hop as a whole to step out of the box. That’s why the people who understand the purpose of this album love it so much.The ones who wanted the Black Album or Blueprint/College Dropout or Late Registration are disappointed, but they didn’t make WTT with those albums in mind, they did it with Michael Jackson’s “Thriller” in mind. Thriller changed pop and general music forever and that’s what they were going for. Something to change hip hop and music landscape. I personally believe that Michael never topped “Off The Wall” but Thriller was the gamechanger. If your under 25 I don’t see how you could like this album anyway, because WTT is for 25 and up.
youknowwhatitis:
U sound ignorant as fuck.
no he’s right many under 25 won’t understand the album but some like I will btw i’m 17…
Nas was only 20 when he made illmatic. what do u mean 25 n above ? everybody is looking for a way to justify this weak album. what ? you guys are mad with the user ratings ?
Nas was 19 when started making the album turned 20 after it came out. I’m from the era dude , don’t go there with me.During the illmatic era if you weren’t lyrical,creative,innovative and different, you were seen as carbon copy and corny ass fuck by the 25 and under crowd. Just like today if you don’t have gangster/hardcore raps or get money down south banger your seen as boring and wack. Illmatic time everybody sounded different, nas sounded nothing like biggie,busta sounded nothing like old dirty bastard, mobb deep sounded nothing like wu-tang,das effects sounded nothing like lords of the underground, CL Smooth sounded nothing like Large Proffessor. The standard back then was bringing something different to the table. That’s why it’s consider the second golden age of hip hop because you had a variety of styles and music to choose from. Today the standard is lil wayne and drake , if you put out their kind of music you get written off fast. I’m justifying your ignorance of not understanding this album, you got it the otherway around. WTT has recieve high praises and rave reviews from a large number of media oulets from pop critics,rock critics,euro-electro critics,hip hop critics. The have been applauded and given high ratings from critics ranging from rollingstone to DJbooth and allhiphop.com. Not to mention their album sold between 500,000-550,000 in one-day based of itunes alone. The physical copies dropped yesterday and they’re still selling.
I meant if you don’t put out the kind music that wayne and drake make.
youknowwhatitis
You are wrong.
Rollingstone gave this an above average rating.
Dj booth is an ass kisser.
As long as an album promoted well, it will sell, FACTS !!!
MY NEXT SOLO ALBUM IS CALLED L3GEND !!!
ME AND ROYCE ARE ALSO PUTTING OUT HEAVEN THE PREQUEL AND WITH D 12 THAT WILL ONLY HAPPEN IN 2015 !!!
lol, stfu..
Great Album. Standout tracks, in my opinion, are: Made in America, Niggas In paris, Otis, Murder to Excellence, H-A-M, and That’s my B**ch. Like Slant critic said, this is the Born This Way(Lady Gaga) of rap music(So much hype, but falls short of expectations). Sure, many tracks are absolutely amazing and unique, but others are just plainly generic rap. You could definitely say that this is Luxury Rap, too. 3.5/5
Sonically bold, but lyrically weak. I mean, I just listened to “Hell-The Sequel” bye Eminem and Royce 5’9 on repeat then popped “Watch The Throne” in. It just doesn’t compare on the actual lyrical level. Jay and Kanye came into this like they were kings or the world, they forgot that if you are on top someone is always gunning for you. Em and Royce sound hungry on their CD, Royce is trying to prove himself and Em is still trying to distance himself from the “Relapse” disaster. Their hunger paid off. Kanye and Jay sound literally tired and weary in comparison
THANK YOU!! i agree “bad meets evil” is much better ,”watch the throne” is trying to hard (no hating but i would recomend “hell the sequel” instead)
Em is a lyrical monster so of course it would be better lyrical. They are competing with each other on Bad Meets Evil not just rapping back and forth. So of course they’re going to sound hungry. Royce said the best their main agenda on the album was being lyrical. He said we did a mixtape not really an album, but that Jay-Z & Kanye wanted to make an gamechanging album. They are lryical on WTT too so what the fuck are ya’ll talking about?
You have such a close-minded view of lyricism. Eminem is one of the great lyricist of our time, but so is Jay-Z. Em is a master of wordplay, similies, and the multisyllabic rhyme scheme.
He owns in that arena, but Jay-Z is the UNDISPUTED king of flow and the double entendra.
Kanye may not be as gifted a MC as either but he writes better songs than them BOTH.
There are so many different ways to be “lyrical” from storytelling (Nas, Slick Rick) to puchlines (Lil Wayne, Cassidy, Big L) to just str8 up saying real shit (2pac, T.I., Scarface).
Prince is lyrical. Stevie is lyrical. Lennon was lyrical.
Open up your minds, for goodness sake!!! Smh…
I totally agree Eminem and Jay-Z are tied for Greatest Lyricist of All Time. Jay is the master of double and triple meaning verses. Em is the king of internal rhyme patterns and multis. People confuse their styles and say one’s better than the other one, but really they’re equal they just specialize in different areas.
this is the dopest album ive heard in a lonnnng time. Its going to make everybody else go back to the drawing board which is what hip hop needs. They pretty much just torn down whatever box everybody wanted to put them in and i love it!!! hahahaaaa
This album gets five stars in my book. Don’t care about the user rating. This site must be overran by kids anyway.
Either that or bitter old fans from a bygone era
more likely kids.i read a post where they said why he wearing a snapback hat he trying to be young in the otis video i had to laugh because them hats are old schoool but the kid probably thought it was something new
Lol ur probly right. Some young cat I kno tried to kick the same shit to me. Jay was rockin Snap Backs in some of his 1st videos. The trend just happened to come back around.
Seriously the snap back hat from the late 80’s to early 90’s. Chuck D use to rock snap backs all the time in Public Enemy videos. Early fresh prince episodes does any one remember the spray painted snap backs. Tight shirts and fitted shirts were from the 80’s and tight and fitted jean were from the 80’s. These kids have no sense of hip hop history.
@the lame nigga who said Eminem got hits..im talkin recent lame..fuc u talkin bout..did u really say Lose Yourself”..”stan”..u killed yourself..them songs dont get played anywhere..and they a thousand yrs old..in the same breath say what Jay hasnt done..bitch u on a Jay post talkin abt the most anticipated album of the yr feat Jay..dummie..u cant argue with fools..there were no debates abt Eminem last what 4 albums..because nobody plays tht shit..u put that shit on and watch everybody leave the room…and that other dude sound dumass fuc talkin abt Kanye production bein good a cpl yrs ago..he jsut dropped a certified classic how many months ago..LIKE THESE NIGZ SAID ON THIS “CLASSIC IN THE STREETS ALBUM”..”wasn’t i a good king..or was it too much of a good thing”..be lame if u want or if it makes u feel smarter…who plays that bad meets evil shit..nobody in Chicago..u should do a straw poll..its Eminem thirsty white fanbase keepin him alive and blk dudes who dont want to say Jay was the best to ever do it(and i was a die hard BIGGIE fan..while he was alive)..THIS ISNT SOME SHIT I READ OR HEARD ABT..I BEEN IN THIS SHIT..IM A CERTIFIED HIPHOP HISTORIAN FUCKBOY..
Life Accordin To Dutch
You are a faggot for real…
Loseyourself= Longest running #1 hip hop single year. #160 on rolling stones greatest songs of all times(No Entry for jay). Loseyourself is still getting remixes till now(Even gospel remix).
Stan= You already know that. Sooner or later, the word stan will be added in the dictionary for people like u who continue kissing ass.
Encore>>>>>Blueprint 2
Relapse>>>>>Kingdom come
Recovery>>>>>Blueprint 3
HTS>>>>>>WTT
Who plays BME ???? How come it selling??? Try to be coherent at least. i know u hate Em, but bring up real facts. Chicago what ??? Who gives a flying fuck about chicago.
Keep the Em hatred to ur stinking ass. Am black, all my friends are black and we all prefer Em to jay..The white bullshit is just an excuse. How come obama was voted President of America ????? How come Tiger woods(Am black) dominating golf(A predominately white sports)???? Micheal jordan, lebron james..etc etc.
keep ur stinking hate ass off Eminem, u foolish medieval post won’t stop him from selling records.
You know what ?? Stab yourself with a knife….Die u idiot !
AND WHATS UP WITH NIGGAS CALLIN EACH OTHER FAGGOTS..WHEREtheyDOthatAT
after wayne got a pass for kissin baby and a former C.O. who lied about it can become a drug kingpin anything goes LMAO
Takes a few listens- but this album is for the most part incredible. Allow yourself to really take everything in. 5 stars
Listened a couple of times, it grown a lil bit. Can’t get past Kanye’s rapping. He’s a horrible rapper period, makes good music though. BME is WAY better than this Em & Royce sound 1000 times better together.
1-Em
2-PAC
3-Nas
4-Big
5-Rakim
a 1000x better, what an intellectual and well reasoned argument, dumb ass, anyone with an iq over 50 knows jay and ye are superior in lyrics, production, marketing, and critically… eminem could never produce an entire album by himself or make a record called jesus walks and have it turn in2 a classic
lol kanye superior to em lyrically…..good one.
Hahahahaha….Jay produces his albums ????? lol. I thought lose yourself and stan were classics…lol. Marketing ????? Where do u live ? under a rock ? The whole world knows Ye=jay’s record sales is not up to Em’s record sales. Critically??????
BET best rapper of the 21 century—Em
Rolling stone greatest artist—-Em #82, Jay #88
Billboard artist of the decade—Em #1, Jay #10
David Kenneth Zacheius Brown
I think ur IQ is below 50….Sure !
eminem is washed up, he only sell because he’s white, he’s been done since the eminem show. HE ISN’T FUNNY, WITTY, SADISTIC OR SARCASTIC ANY MORE. And right now Kanye makes better music than him. To me this is the 1st Kanye album that I would give 4.5/5 to, I’d still rank it 4/5
This is the bottom line. Royce Da 5’9 and Em , Jay and Kanye have highlighted the problem with today’s music. Which is a lack of substance,lack of lyricism, lack of originality and lack of real courage.Both albums should be praised for what they intended to do BME (lyricism) WTT(innovativeness). They are both needed in this crucial time in hip hop. So let’s stop putting these two great projects against each other, and talk about the real issue which is today’s rap music sucksass.
i think everyone here can safely say throne was better than hell
Watch the Throne…what more can I say? It’s the ROC!!!
It’s different. Whether that’s good or bad is up to one’s own interpretation.
wack pussy music… worst album jay-z has every been apart of… wtf kanye
Read more on your spare time my brother. Then after your done reading the novels, come back to give us your new review. This album are for universal music lovers not strictly hip hop heads.
actuall those joints jigga did with r.kelly were huff, they were the worst. WTT is a pretty good album
there is so much innovation here, from a purely technical standpoint, it’s easy understand why jay calls Kanye a genius, i can easily see old school people not digging this, it has a hip pop, experimental piece kind of vibe 2 it
What’s this 25 and above bullshit ?????? Most of u saying 25 and above are actually below 25. I wonder what’s so different on Watch the throne that a 20-25yr old can’t understand.
Wack song…. worst beat anjing!!!!
Sorry?
uhhh its an album not a song
Not a classic, but a brilliant album!
I can understand that it might not be for everyone, as it definitely has a different sound compared your typical hip-hop album.
But fuck the Eminem stans and close-minded haters down-rating and hating on the album. If you weren’t interested in the album in the first place, then why are you checking up on it here?!
Sonically: 10/10
Lyrics: 8/10
It’s a good album, and an important contribution to rap. Only a listener who comes to it with preconceived notions of what rap should be could question this. Whether or not it’s a great/classic/5 star etc. album is debatable, but it’s sad to see how many people want to close their ears and put rap music in a box.
litee
come on hiphopdx 4 stars really? 2.5 at best. royce n ems album detroyed these two clowns, even gucci n wakas album is better than this n they some of the worst rappers out!
agree with u, except for the gucci/waka part 🙂
Hang yourself for that idiocy you said. Nothing is fucking with The Throne.
To be honest I could care less if the average user rating was 1.45 on here. This album is a pure intriguing and provocative painting in music form. Kanye to me is a pure music genius and so is Jay.It’s ironic that they speak of high-art multiple times in this album , because this is exactly what this is sonically. You have to have an acquire taste for it. Most people who have artistic foresight will see where they trying to go with this album. Not downplaying those who do not take a liking to this album. They are well within their rights to, because it comes down to freedom of opinion. Me personally I love this album the more I listen to it. It’s not one of those albums that instantly hits you , you really have to digest it for awhile. The marketing of this album matches the sound of it , because of it’s dissidence to traditonal hip hop albums. It has a sought of rebellion feel to it towards normalcy in hip hop, that’s why I also love it so much and so many other people. Hip hop heads look for that hardcore lyrical massacare tracks with 808 beat drums with alot of heavy bass that bangs, this album takes a much milder approach to that. Which explains the average user rating not being high and some of the disappointments on this forum. Then there are those who hate on Jay and Kanye, especially Jay because they feel he’s way over the age to be on top in hip hop and blocking shine of the their new favorites, others think he’s too wealthy of a nigga. The black community in particular has a pyshcological problem with ultra-black success. That’s who Jay addresses in “Excellence” very intelligently I might say, saying just because he’s super successful doesn’t mean he’s in the illuminati. He had the persistence ,ambition and the faith that he was going to make it big. He states clearly that you can do the same thing with your life. Now the people who love this album are those who are from the second golden age of hip hop where everything was about newness and originality and high intellectuals who can dissect what Jay’s hidden meanings in his lyrics. The others who love this album are people who grew up on all kinds of music from rock,pop,rap,electro,jazz and oldies etc. Who don’t only have hip hop on their ipods, but a diverse variety of music genres. Hov and Kanye have been very musically unversial since the begining of their careers. I remember in a interview with foxy brown on rap city in 96, Jay was asked what kind of music he listens to and Jay responded Seal and Prince. The host was tooken back and couldn’t believe what he heard from this street hustler/gangster rapper. This was back in his Reasonable Doubt era. Back to the matter at hand though, I remember watching the mini-doc of the making of the album before it was taken off and I said to myself some people are not going to feel this ablum, because they are going down a direction a lot of people won’t like or expect. So they put out this work of art on August 8th and sure nuff just as I expected it got immediate love/hate reaction from fans and others. The critics for the most part gave them high praises and rave reviews. The reaction I believe tilted more onto the positive side though. The media and fans put expectations of this collab album too high, so much so that when it drop instead of just enjoying and listening to the music, they became music critics instead. Then you have the jealous and angry competitors(rappers of course) who are pissed,because all they are asked about is what they thought of Watch The Throne. So I’m sure these negative comments and low ratings on this forum also have something to do with dirty rap politics. Just think about it, it’ll make sense. Either way with negative and positive reactions it’s still clear that Jay and Kanye are running the game once again. I mean almost every media outlet reviewed this album from news articles to rollingstone magazine to allhiphop.com. The put this album out for you to love or hate, so just choose one and leave it at that.
“THEY DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS..it doesnt matter what it means..its provocative..it gets the people going”hahhaha..non WTT fans r stupid and dont even know what they missin..u cant make this shit up
follow @ALLaboutDUTCH
It’s not about being under 25, it’s about STUPID people and educated people. I would of loved this album when I was 25. I grew up on P.E., Rakim, KRS One, Dela Soul, Tribe. So did Jay and Kanye, so we relate. 5 stars easy.
You are totally correct it’s not about age, it’s about degree in intelligence. This honestly should of recieve five stars in my opinion also.
Lol, people are replying there own comments ! Hahahahahahahahaha ! Even 5 yrs old kids like Saigon’s new album. Yes, its not about age, but make music people can easily relate to. WTT is all swag, swag, swag. Racism has been addressed centuries ago, Rappers has been addressing Black on Black violence since the early 90’s. There is nothing new on WTT
Your right this not the first time these subjects have been touched upon. This is though the first time that music icons at this stature in hip hop have touched upon it. They have a much larger platform and a audience that extends all around the world, so when they speak it’s more influential. For instance the boy that Jay dedicated “Murder to Excellence” to in the begining of the song was the topic of many news channels all over America giving it high praises. They just had a big rally in New York for DJ Henry(Pace University student slain) with the lyrics of “Murder to Excellence” printed on one-side of the ballon and Watch The Throne on the otherside of it. Go see it for yourself on MTV.com. Now the imagine another rapper saying the same thing, it wouldn’t have any impact because it wouldn’t reach white America. That’s just real talk.
Honestly man “Bad Meets Evil” isn’t even on the radar unless you’re a kid. And a lot of that had to do with Em doing COD commercials. Not saying that’s bad but come on son, it’s corny music.
Corny music ???? Whats on WTT u faggot ?
eminem is corny
Jay-Z might have to put out another decoded, because these critics are getting the meaning behind his lyrics all wrong.
Unstoppable rappers/ Classic album
like it or not you gotta respect that they did something different than whats out know
It’s all politixs dx nows that this album really deserves a 2 in a half, but since it says jay-z and kanye it gets a 4..stop giving passes for names
No dx recognize it’s a masterpiece meant for music lovers in general not just hip hop.
Looks like they weren’t to far off. 210/425 people gave it a perfect 5. The user rating is 3.67, which rounds up to 4.
Average out the hate and the love for this album and I think a 4 is a perfect score for this site. Now STFU you self centered little prick.
agree with K Smith
oh and to the guy above me, 4 is not an average rating out of love and hate dumbass
dumb people wont appreciate this album!
Sad but it’s true, I’ve seen excellent review of the album by this smart college kid on youtube. He’s review was the best I’ve seen yet.
@wtt:
Just like saying dumb people won’t appreciate blueprint 3. U sound dumb urself !!.
It takes high-intelligence to discern what Jay is actually saying, because he spits lines with multiple meanings. Trust you might think you easily understand what he’s saying all the time,but then you read decoded.
Jay has the highest Rap IQ ever, if you take the time to really decode his lyrics, your mind will be blown away. Seriosuly, the stuff he says is out of this world in terms of complexity.
They said in his biography that he tested on a 12th grade level in the sixth grade. Also that he was reading books on college level at 10 years old! That man is an Einstein. You can hear the haters now ,that ain’t true blablablablablablaaaaaaaaaa
I believe it without a doubt.
It takes a GENIUS to think of shit like this:
”Hand gettin the mic
Forgettin all I ever knew, convenient amnesia
I suggest you call my lawyer, I know the procedure
Lock my body, can’t trap my mind; easily, explains why we adapt to crime
I’d rather die enormous than live dormant, that’s how we on it.”
”I never asked for nothin’ I don’t demand of myself
Honesty, loyalty, friends and then wealth Death before dishonor and I tell you what else
I tighten my belt ‘fore I beg for help Foolish pride is what held me together through the years
I wasn’t felt which is why I ain’t never played myself
I just play the hand I’m dealt, I can’t say I’ve never knelt
Before God and asked for better cards at times to no avail
But I never sat back feelin sorry for myself
If you don’t give me heaven I’ll raise hell”
“I went to school, got good grades, could behave when I wanted, But I had demons deep inside that would raise when confronted”
”I’ve got demons in my past so I’ve got daughters on the way, If the prophecy is correct then the child should have to pay, For the sins of the father so I barter my tomorrows against my yesterday’s In hopes that she’ll be okay”
”I heard motherfuckers saying they made Hov
Made Hov say, “Ok so, make another Hov” ”
”This ain’t no tall order, this nothing to me
Difficult takes a day, impossible takes a week.”
”Had to hustle, my back to the wall, ashy knuckles Pockets filled with a lot of lint, not a cent Gotta vent, lot of innocent of lives lost on the project bench”
”I Jack, I Rob, I sin
Awww man, I’m Jackie Robinson
Except when I run base, I dodge the pen”
“I went to school, got good grades, could behave when I wanted, But I had demons deep inside that would raise when confronted”
”Done forgot more than you ever learned, what you don’t know will make your home a permanent urn”
”Yeah, Roc-A-Fella
We invite you to something epic, you know?
Well, we hustle out of a sense of hopelessness, sort of a desperation
Through that desperation, we become addicted
Sort of like the fiends we accustomed to serving
But we feel we have nothing to lose, so we offer you, well
We offer our lives, right, what do you bring to the table?”
”Now I’m so enlightened I might glow in the dark
I been up in the office you might know him as Clark
But, just when you thought the whole world fell apart
I – take off the blazer loosen up the tie
Step inside the booth Superman is alive”
”He never learned so in turn I’m kidnapping his baby’s mother
My hand around her collar, feeding her cheese
She said the taste of dollars was shitty so I fed her fifties
About his whereabouts I wasn’t convinced
I kept feeding her money ’til her shit started to make sense”
”Geah.. anywhere there’s oppression
The drug profession
Flourishes like beverages
Refreshing, ahhh! sweet taste of sin
Everything I seen, made me everything I am
Bad drug dealer or victim, I beg
What came first?
Moving chickens or the egg?
This I why I be so fresh
I’m trying to beat life cause I can’t cheat death”
”But niggas never learn until they
End up in the news clip
The irony of selling drugs
Is sort of like you using it
Guess it’s two sides to what
Substance abuse is
Can’t stop, won’t stop
Addicted to this new shit
Brand new convertibles
I’m so roofless
Front row fight night
See how big my tube is
Fuck HD nigga
See how clear my view is?”
”Follow the flow, look
They say a midget standin on the giant’s shoulder can see much
further than the giant.. (the giant..)
So I got the WHOLE rap world on my shoulder they tryin to see
further than I am.. (than I am..)
And I have been tryin to be patient with they preoccupation
with David and Goliath.. (Goliath..)
But sooner or later, that patience gonna run it’s course
and I’m forced to be a tyrant.. (be a tyrant..)
But bein tyrant, comin through your environment”
”Yeah, look
I’m so far ahead of my time, I’m bout to start another life
Look behind you, I’m bout to pass you twice
Back to the future and gotta slow up for the present
I’m fast, niggaz can’t get past my past
How they propose to deal with my perfect present?
When I unwrap “The Gift & the Curse” in one session
Ain’t no livin person can test him
Only two restin in heaven can be mentioned in the same breath as him”
”Well after I’m gone, they’ll honor
history in the makin, Pistol Pete
leave competition shakin without missin the beat
Chasin the hi-hat all over the track
The snare is scared of the air in here, BOOM!
And plus I get paper dog, don’t let me forget”
”Time’s most influential was impressive
Especially since I wasn’t in the artist’s section”
”Hov got flow though he’s no Big and Pac but he’s close
How I’m supposed to win they got me fighting ghosts”
”Same sword they KNIGHT you they gon’ Good NIGHT you with”
”Please may these words be recorded/to serve as testimony that I saw it all before it, came to fruition, sort of a premonition, uncontrollable hustler’s ambition”
”Ah, ah, the more successful, the more stressful
The more and more I transform to Gordan Gekko
In the race to a billion, got my face to the ceiling
Got my knees on the floor, please Lord forgive him
Has he lost his religion, is the greed gonna get him?
He’s having heaven on earth, will his wings still fit him?”
And people talking about Nas, he could NEVER come up with somethling like this. Jay makes Nas look like Gucci Mane. Not even near to this level. This is amazing beyond belief.
I’m sure, Jay is, without a doubt, the greatest to ever pick up a mic. Flow, delivery, Insight, Wordplay, social awerness, Ryhmes. Everything is untouchable. Dude’s throw away verses are better than most rapper’s best.
Unblievable success, Biggest impact and SKILLS = GOAT.
The GOAT can’t be overrated.
Don’t believe me?
Listen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joHCfll2AGI
To sum it up:
”See Martin, see Malcolm
You see Biggie, see Pac, see success and it’s outcome
See Jesus, see Judas
See Ceasar, see Brutus
See success is like suicide
Suicide, it’s a suicide
If you succeed prepare to be crucified”
”Deny it to a king? Then happy low, lie down!
Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown”
What makes this even more amazing (if this is possible) is that he did this shit after a 3 year retirement. The king demanding his throne.
game who? GAME OVERRRRRR
jay z is such a fucking sell out. blueprint 3 was the nail in the coffin, this nigga would drop a collabo album with beiber if it kept him hot. i never seen a nigga hold on like this. writing articles for bullshit rolling stone, a publication that has tried to destroy hip hop on several occasions. not only is jay begging for acceptance, his music is shit now. dumb bitch nigga. self praise is no praise at all. a king doesnt crown himself, a king is crowned by the people, WATCH THE THRONE SUCKS
Hold onto what exactly? Yes the people did crown him as a king. Go watch MTV’s ‘Greatest Emcees of All Time” think tank panel on youtube. He was voted the “Greatest Mc of All Time” and that title quite befits him. Jay has been killing the game from 96-2011. He’s had the longest run in hip hop far as relevancy , which is why he’s extremely hated. Gets tons of hate from other artists and their fans or stans. The fact that he’s too successful, married to the top chick in the game and has reached icon status, warants him the most ridiculous amount of hate. If anybody brings up Nas, I’ll set the record straight for you because “Ether” is overrated. I don’t give fuck what you think about neither, because your not going to change my stance with anything you say. Jay-Z is 42 years old and has evolve through the years ,which is what artists are suppose to do for longevity. These other rappers are the real sell-outs because they’re portraying a life they don’t live anymore. That’s 50 is struggling to get attention now.
@TheThrone
That MTV GOAT Mc is bullshit. Vibe Mag voted Eminem their GOAT too, but doesn’t mean anything !
How d fuck is Beyonce top chick in the game??? STFU is u don’t know anything about Mainstream music. Seems u never heard of Lady Gaga, Adele, Katy Perry, even Rihanna is hotter than beyonce now !
It means everything actually because the votes on the vibe are based off the opinions of the next generation. They believed that Jay-Z and Eminem were the only two who could warant the crown. Don’t tell me that don’t mean shit,because the point of hip hop is to pass it down in the hands of the new generation. Just how Krs-One,Big Daddy Kane,Rakim,Kool G Rap,Public Enemy and Slick Rick passed it down to my generation the early-mid 90’s.
Sorry, but this album is not for the dumb kids and adults.
@swissah
what makes WTT so special ??? Didi they speak/rap in french, Latin or English ???? Fool !!!
swissah:
U are dumb Yourself !
@ Honest Review That really is not honest review , it’s a biased review and more of a jealous and blinded review based on Jay-Z and Kanye’s weatlh and status. If you would glue your ears to the stereo and listen in closer to what they were saying you’ll notice that this album is less braggadocio than expected. Even the bragging was couched in the manner of motivation than I got this and nananaabooboo you don’t. There is a lot of depth to this album and solid message of the ills of fame such in “Welcome to The Jungle” which Jay’s second verse went over a majority of critics and fans heads. He’s not talking about himself in that song at all, his mentioning all those who fell victim because of the life of fame and success artists like 2pac,Eminem,Pimp C,Michael Jackson,DMX etc. He’s rapping about it in first person.The life they’re in is wild like a jungle, get it. In “Why I love you” has jewels for any one who wants his kind of success, which he really states that if you want to fly eagles, you can’t hang with the turkeys. Meaning some people are just detrimental to your sanity and goals in life, so you have to seperate from them to go on. You can tell Jay reads alot of personal-success literature. If you get over Jay’s braggadocio, you’ll see that Jay is always trying to teach you how to do something. @anonymous who attacked swissah I’ll tell you what so special about this is that they’re using a large platform to address issues that black communties have serious problems with and that’s black success and religion.@Nobody knows who the hell saigon is, so how could he make an impact? The reason it’s more impactful coming from Jay and Kanye because they have more starpower behind their name. Jeffery Daniels premiered the moonmalk before MJ, but MJ popularized when he did on motown special in 1982 because he had a bigger name worldwide and that’s the truth.As far as religion,in the black community is religious strict for the most part, we are very pious and bias towards anybody who’s not christian and definitely towards the notion of atheists. Trust I know because my father is a baptist preacher and I hold back from expressing myself about religion being a tool for social control. Black success is also a problem ,because the black community have a crabs in a barrel attitude to those succeed beyond the pale worst than any race and I’m black myself. In the song “Excellence” Jay raps ” What’s up to Will/Shoutout to O/That ain’t enough/we going need a million moe/kick in doe(slang for door)/Biggie flow/I’m all dressed up/with no where to go. Which he’s saying I want the brothers to have more success, but the stage I’m in my life right now I hardly spot them. I see a lot of comments about the lyrics being mediocre, but people have to realize that Jay mainly spits double entendre, so most of his lyrics have multiple meanings behind them. So people who say they fully understand Jay’s rhymes(like myself), might be misinterpreting what he actually means. Jay’s rhymes are like jigsaw puzzles.
Now to the people who say Em and Royce album is way better.The main thing they keep reinterating is that lyrically it’s better. Which is probably true, but in the same light the say that the production is questionable, so then it can’t be that great of an album. Let’s look past all this who’s hot or not talk on this forums,the foundation of what birth the golden age of hip hop is visible. That’s the beautiful thing about this. You have a choice of different content and musical styles. That’s what hip in the 80’s and early-mid 90’s was all about. That’s why Royce stated on MTV that WTT and BME is “Great for Hip Hop”.
What makes it so special is that it’s a joint album by rappers with the highest standing in music period. That’s what’s so special Fool!!!!
I wonder why mad Jay-z stans keep saying only smart/25-above will understand WTT. Did they rap in Japanese language or English ??? I mean, most of the lines are very simply, straight forward and easy to understand(Especially Kanye’s Lines). Compare Saigon’s “Preacher” to WTT’s “No church in the wild”. They are pretty much addressing the same religion issue, but compare saigon’s own and see which is more informative !!!.
WTT IS HELL NO GAME CHANGER OR CLASSIC !!!! 3.5/5
If there is any Game changer album in 2011, it GREATEST STORY NEVER TOLD by saigon, But Jay and YE are richer and more exposed, so, they get all the attention. Who knows Saigon ? His album sold only 12k in the first week, WTT is heading for 500k.
Nothing is new, folks called BP3 a classic as well !
Saying WTT is for 25 and above is one of the dummiest thing i ever heard ! Am laughing serious now…Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Watch the Throne is more notable for its general lack of impact. Neither as compulsively neurotic as Eminem, as languidly characterful as Snoop Dogg, nor as furiously articulate as Nas, the raps here represent a pretty mediocre, cardboard kind of throne, truth be told.
Hype and arrogance created Watch the Throne and stifled the creative revelation it could have been. It would be nice if that could serve as a kind of lesson for the hip hop world, but somehow that seems unlikely.
The music itself isn’t really the issue. It’s the conceit, the fact that even though Kanye and Jay-Z truthfully are nailing what pop can sound like, they use their royal stature not to communicate fresh ideas but pander to their subjects because they f*cking can.
Nothing can be accomplished if someone doesn’t stand up and act as the new gold standard. Kanye West and Jay-Z have proven themselves to be, at the very least, kings of just that notion.
In many ways, West and Jay-Z are saying something similar on their new album. But their approach is not to shine a spotlight on their community. Instead, they urge listeners to “watch the throne,” and gaze in awe on their good fortune.
When two legends unite, you expect pure, unfiltered brilliance. Watch The Throne has moments of that. On the whole, this album is a half-hearted victory lap.
It’s certainly an enjoyable listen, with a few great songs – and at least it actually happened – but with the combined power, money and talent that Carter and West continually brag about, you can’t help but feel that Watch the Throne could and should have been better.
For all its shortcomings, Watch the Throne is still damn good…….70/100
One of the best arguments i ever read.
Folks should try to understand the watch the throne is no the landmark record its suppose to be. WTT is just like every other record that get released every tuesday. Jay and Ye were just addressing old and worn out topics that has been talked about repeatedly, and repeatedly.
If far is in know, There are only three LANDMARK RAP CLASSICS(Sure, there are other classics, but these albums made a huge impact and virtually everyone felt the impact)
1. Paid In Full(1987)——Set a new and higher standard of lyricism for hip hop
2. Illmatic(1994)—-Nas displayed more pure poetic style than anyone since Rakim but unlike Eighties rappers, Nas was responding to a city where “crews without guns are goners.
3. Marshall Matters Lp—–Every so often, an album comes along that practically eats the world. Everywhere you go, it’s there. It seems like everyone you know owns a copy. The MMLP turned turn hip-hop into the most commercially lucrative form of music in the world.
You’d have to be about 7 years old to not remember how massive this album was. It broke all records for first-week sales by a solo artist
@ hip hop lives. Are you kidding me? What book did you get your list from? Those are obviously important albums, but come on! The only reason you give for positioning MMLP as a landmark album is that it was commercially sucessful? Then you should include Hammer and Vanilla Ice too.And why the focus on lyricism? Rap is not just about rappping. Off the top of my head here are five albums that were easily as important, on all of the levels you mention and then some.
Public Enemy: It Takes a Nation of Millions… brought political rap to the masses. Fantastic production, powerfull lyricism by Chuck. That album still gives me shivers.
Ice Cube: Amerikkka’s Most Wanted. Cube leaves NWA and parntners with the bomb squad. West meets East and minds were blown.
Wu Tang Clan: Enter The Wu… (could also include first solo releases by Rae, Meth and GZA.) I shouldn’t have to explain this one.
Outkast: Aquemini. Just on annother level. Didn’t know what to make of it when I first heard it, It was just so refreshingly different.
Dr. Dre the Chronic. Producer is king.
Hachitori
The Commercial success of MMLP was extraordinary. Hip Hop never saw those figures for i really long time. MMLP made hip hop widely accepted(Inter-racially), It was the first Hip Hop album(By a solo artist) to be nominated for the album of the year. Without MMLP, other classics like Blueprint, Get Rich Or Die Trying, Eminem Show won’t have the commercial success they all had. MMLP was damn a 00’s landmark Hip Hop Record.
*those figures for a really long time*
Bulls Eye:
Are you a record exec? I don’t think crossover appeal is the only thing that makes something a landmark record. What matters to me is what it contributes to the musical form.
That was me again.
The average user rating about matches the editor’s rating,because it rounds off to 4. You have to consider that there were more votes casted for this album review than any of the others. The other albums might have higher user ratings,but they have a lot lesser votes, think about it. The first people to vote are the staunch hip hop heads and this is not really that much of an conventional hip hop album,it’s more of alternative hip hop. Jay and Kanye are doing something right, they have everybody and their grandma talking wether it’s positive or negative. I mean this forum has 1285 posts,damn! I would of gave it an 4.5 instead though. That’s just my opinion on the album.
Album of da year!!!! Fuck da jealous hataz.
King Hov, I’m exactly what the fuck you think
11 in a row, Bill Russell rings
Michael Jordan swag, yall think Michael Jordan bad
Nigga I got 5 more rings than Michael Jordan had
Elvis has left the building now I’m on the Beatles ass
Niggas hear Watch The Throne, yeah it’s like the Beatles back
Bey Bey my Yoko Ono, Rih Rih complete my family
Imagine how that’s goin look front row at the Grammys
Fuck your awards like Eddie Murphy’s couch
The Roc is in the building we should have stayed in the house
I don’t even know what we doing here
Seems to me a complete waste of gear
Just a fuckin’ waste of time, a complete waste of bottles
Niggas fashion is weak, they be wastin’ all the models
Got the oversized Rollie let me show thee how to do it
When I say it then you see, it ain’t only in the music
Basquiats, Warhols serving as my muses
My house like a museum so I see ’em when I’m peeing
Usually you have this much taste you European
That’s the end of that way of thinking, nigga never again
Know when to leave when the heat is coming I learned that
This is where DeNiro would be if he ain’t turn back
Fuck Sosa, this Hova this is real life
This is what the ending of Scarface should feel like
No matter how hard I try, I can’t hate on a nigga who’s still spitting like this 20 years into his career. Amazing.
you know the album is serious when the bonus tracks are the highlite of the album ILLEST MOTHERFUCKERS ALIVE
HipHop
What is so great about that? Hov is better than Mike Jordan, Elvis, the Beatles combined? Hov has models, rollies, bottles, gear? Hov has Basquiats? LOL… oh shit it’s EUROJAY… maybe he should hang it up and become an art appraiser…
Nothing impressive whatsoever… the great hovito has done this verse 100 times before seriously… subject matter never changes… and people stay convinced that Jay is dropping ‘deep double entendres that go right over peoples heads’… I ain’t buyin it no sir
By the way… the Heat/DeNiro line is weak… NAS did that like 10 years ago and made it sound nice… ‘Know how to leave anything in 30 seconds when you feel the heat coming and flee with the murder weapon’… check life is mine mobb deep
@comachonvargas:thats not what he was saying he was saying thos are just characters that people try to emulate like they a real thats why he said “FUCK SOSA THIS IS REAL LIFE”
LOLOLOL white america
fuck sosa
“sins of a father make your life 10x harder”
REAL TALK
the youth dont want to hear songs like murder to excellence because they in the streets trying to shoot each other and new day talking about father hood yeah right they want to party to coke stories and drive by shootings and becoming crack kings
Exactly that’s why they can’t wait for that Red to drop because it’s composite is of just that of what you stated. It’s not cool to put down the guns and to stay in your kid’s life and raise them right. All the want hear is about coke,hoes,guns,money,whips and jewelry. Jay and Kanye do talk about luxury life in the album, but not to the excess that critics claim. I mean Jay mentions he has a black card, that means he has a high credit score rating, which anyone can recieve with excellent credit.
“‘whole world aiming at a nigga head beacause im the illest motherfucker aliveeee”
“they dont want nobody colored out of the lines”
“damn yeezy they all gotta be dimes? well adam gave up a rib so mine better be prime”
MUSICALLY not LYRICALLY (RD is hands down Jay’s most lyrically solid release. I’d say MBDTF is Ye’s finest lyrically. Read between the lines.)
Jay
1)The Blueprint [2001] (5/5)
2)The Black Album [2003] (5/5)
3)Reasonable Doubt [1996] (5/5)
4)Watch The Throne w/ Kanye West [2011] (5/5)
5)American Gangster [2007] (4.5/5)
6)Vol. 2 [1998] (4.5/5)
7)The Dynasty [2000] (4.5/5)
8)The Blueprint 3 [2009] (4/5)
9)The Blueprint 2 [2002] (4/5)
10)Kingdom Come [2006] (4/5)
11)Vol. 3 [1999] (3.5/5)
12)Vol. 1 [1997] (3.5/5)
13)Best Of Both Worlds w/ R. Kelly [2002] (3/5)
14)Streets Is Watchin’ Soundtrack [1998] (2.5/5)
15)Unfinished Bisiness w/ R. Kelly [2004](2/5)
Ye
1)My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy [2010] (5/5)
2)Late Registration [2005] (5/5)
3)The College Dropout [2004] (5/5)
4)Watch The Throne w/ Jay-Z [2011] (5/5)
5)Graduation [2007] (4.5/5)
6)808’s and Heartbreak [2008] (4/5)
You Fool…..MBDTF is Lyrical ????????????????? MBDTF is all Production. !!
YO GRADUATION IS KANYE’S BEST PIECE OF WORK LYRICALLY AND BEAT WISE. YOUR LIST WITH JAY IS OFF TOO U LOSE CREDITABILITY WITH ME. RD
1)My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy [2010] (5/5)
2)Late Registration [2005] (5/5)
3)Graduation [2007] (5/5)
4)The College Dropout [2004] (5/5)
5)Watch The Throne w/ Jay-Z [2011] (4.5/5)
6)808’s and Heartbreak [2008] (4/5)
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Anonymous:
1. “No beef with Jay” “one blood”
2. “Got a hook from Faith, no verse from Jay
I guess on Westside Story he thought I spit in his face” “Westside Story”
3. “Dre told me he ain’t doin “Detox,” this his only run
Ma$e comin back, and Hovi done” “No more fun and games”
4 “It’s “Me & My Girlfriend” like 2Pac and them
Jay-Z and Beyonce, or Bobby and Whitney “Special”
5. “Rap critics politickin, wanna know the outcome
“Ready to Die” “Reasonable Doubt” and “Doggystyle” in one “Dreams”
6. “Make the club R.O.C. without Timberland boots “Higher”
7.”I was gassed up, Murder Inc., Roc-A-Fella passed up”
8. “It took me a little while but I am now understandin
Jay ****ed up in the first round when he picked olowankandi” “Memp Bleek Iz”
9. “Oh, that boy colder than Hova unless he sober” “300 Bars”
10. “And ain’t nobody tryin to take Beyonce from Jay
But I know a ***** named Superhead he ****ed back in the day” Wouldnt Get Far”
11.”Took you to award shows, there go Jay right there”
“One Night”
12.”Bangin “The Black Album,” track #1
she like that Jay ****, that’s her favorite” “Around The World”
13. “Behind the back to Nas he alley oop to Jigga” “Why U hate The Game”
14. “Niqqas show me love in the hood like i was HOV down Flushing” “State Yo Name”
15. “The day Jay retire I’ma park next to the throne, in a Maybach on gold wires, yeah “Hands On The Pump”
16. “Cuz he know Jay-Z departed
And these other rap labels know don’t feed they artists
Talkin blueprint **** you got three garages
Gettin money off Roc like little E and carter”
17. “And 2Pac was in jail the day you called to hit him up
I wouldn’t be outside 40/40 bumpin ‘Jigga What'”
18.”I’m the king, and you better respect it
All I need is Beyonce, and a Roc-a-fella necklace”
19. “I’m the golden boy, and I’m making Hova noise
Got the whole world clapping, just like the Nolia Boys”
20. “I told ’em bomp, slow down baby
Got to get this **** firm like Foxy, NaS and AZ
She said ‘**** you,pay me
So I left her in AZ
That’s what I get for letting her listen to my Jay-Z”
21. “*****, I’m number one, motherfukka bar none
Who else kick knowlegde outside of Hova and the God Son”
22. “U gon make me/ make Jay lose his cool” “Feel It In The Air”
23. “Too much West coast dikc lickn, remember Jay-Z? “1-800-Homicide”
24. “No Em, no Dre, I’m the hottest since Jay” “Get Up”
25. “Cause I’m the man behind the Roc like Kanye West”
26.”A pimp like 50, the niqqa to leave you broke ma
6 in the mornin, you stretchin on the sofa
singin ain’t no niqqa like Foxy Brown and Hova” “Compton to Fillmoe”
27. “I’m runnin the ROC, not Jay, Dame Dash of Hoffa” “Jackin 4 Beats”
28. “Who the fuk holdin me? i was just waitin ’til HOVA leave
wit my eyes on the thrown that belong to me” “Round Here Freestyle”
29. “yeah its me and young cass til hov come back” “Aim Ya Gunz”
30. “Throw Jay-z in the pot, mix em with ren
or O.J on the rocks, mix em with gin
whatchu got? the westcoast riding again” “82 Days”
31. “i found out it was a hard knock life without asking Jay” “Duck Down”
32. “Fake king of new york, U aint Jay z” “soundscan”
33. “Me, Em and 50 racin’ this rap siht is basic I followed that Jay siht” “We Aint”
34. “The kings comin’, no I’m not Jay-Z” “One Blood Remix”
35. “Not the rap martyr, or the second rap Carter” “for My gangstaz”
36. “niqqa I’m about a dollar, what the fuk is 50 Cent?
When Jay said it, I didn’t know what it meant” “100 Bars”
37. “used to push that rock like Jay Hov” “Red Bandana”
38. “then this marcy-project niqqa came and stole the crown” “Im a soldier”
39. “But Kanye and Hova killed it without a doubt” “Just a lil Bit freestyle”
40. “Who had the hottest chick in the game, wearin they chain
Mr. H to the Izzo, Nas and Hurricane” “too Much”
41. ” cuz ain’t nobody movin units but Jay, pimp Juice and Us” – Down 4 my *****s freestyle
43. “I used to have visions of retiring like Jigga” “Du Rags
44. “He in a vest with a hoodrat from Marcy with a tattoo of Jay-Z name on her chest” “Its So Hard”
45. “Im classic like Detox & Blueprint 2” “Get Yo Money”
46.”Yall thought it was over when Hova retired” “Get Yo Money”
47. “Make the world feel like the niqqas before 2pac Shakur Christopher Wallace & Shawn Corey” “Dont Push Me…”
48. “… He aint teach Jigga how to rhyme” “Juice freestyle”
49. “Im going to same place Jay-z went Fredrico & Pico” “100 Bars”
50. “Hov retired but Compton still pushin Roc” “On & On”
51. “I came to see chicks shake they ass like Beyonce so let me be Hov 4 a min.”
52. “All I gotta do is hit her wit a Jay-Z line like u deserve to be my sunshine”
53. “Biggie Smalls is the illest so is pac Jay retired i wonder if nas gon drop” “Unbeliveable freestyle”
54. “i kno they sayin y u gotta mention Jay” “State Yo Name”
55. “First Jay & Beyonce then Nas & Kelis” “A Week Ago Part 2″
56.”u 36 And U Still Rappin Uhh, Im 26 And Homie So Iz Da Dubz” “one Blood”
57.”So I reconciled my differences like he did with Jigga” Game on ‘Hustlers’
58. “Im ready to die Without a reasonable doubt” “The Documentary”
59. “In ’99 i studied +The Chronic+ inside out,
a Doggystyle for breakfast, lunch was Reasonable Doubt ” “im A Soldier freestyle”
60. “Shouldnt been influenced by Calvin Broadus, Nasir Jones & Shawn Corey” “Pain In My Life Remix”
61. Yo Jay what it do niqqa, i done rocked enough fellas,to be u niqqa,i got the 40/40,they my 2 jigga’s”
Tell me that whack fuck ain’t on Jay’s dick.I HAD TO PASS THIS ON shit is crazy props
peep number 15 hahaha
Hahahahahha.
really this album sucks . Techno beats and lame rhymes . maybe 1 or 2 ok songs thats it Overrated
It’d called moving the culture forward. It’s 2011 something has to evolve or change in hip hop, before some other kind of music dethrones hip hop.
Great album, lyrical wise & production wise.
Jay is the greatest to EVER do it BY FAR.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joHCfll2AGI
This nigga is rap’s greatest lyrical wizard. Nobody comes close to what he’s able to think of. These entendres are incredible beyond belief.
Off.the.top. In.a.freestyle. After.a.3.year.retirement.
so how does his dick taste pole smoking homo?
R.E.D=Riding Everybodys Dick august 23
Terrible album!
Someone paid this reviewer!
The emperors wear no clothes!
One star!
You see it is people like you that give hip hop a bad name…You know the album was good and at worst it would get 3starz!!! Be real you are just hating and trying to lower the score because it is jay and ye…But trust and believe the numbers will be in soon and your 1star rating will be a after thought….. good day hater
@CC
Some rapper probably paid you to give this album the lowest rating. I bet you on somebody’s payroll, hating ass
@DRE u look young but they(media/Government) try to pin that illuminati shyt on Jay & Ye to discredit them & turn the people against them because they’re trying to teach blacks how to be more knowledgable & pprosperous.
dope album the only bad thin about it is. i was jamin this n when that track -who gone stop me- came thru damn i whent crazy about it. only to find the switch that fuckin beat n the last two minutes. that was stupid but i guees they gonna make a shit load of money would it beeen way better to run with that firts beat.
Decent.
So, Ye and Jay decided to dedicate 80% of a whole record to Bragging ! I guess they both set a new standard for hip hop bragging. Why won’t hip hop die when all rappers do is brag, huh ?
God, I miss Illmatic, Slim Shady Lp and All Eyez on Me. HIP HOP IS OFFICIALLY DEAD !!!!!!!
Listen to the album again because the album really less about bragging and more about motivation for success and addressing issues that niggas in powerful positions like them are scared.That’s what I get from, since I actually pay attention to Jay’s rhymes he’s not a simple rhymer there’s a reason why he’s consider one of the greats. So the fuck what if they brag that’s one of the true essence of hip hop, I’m flier than you. People act like their braggadocio is going to incite riots. Just enjoy the music or don’t. Stop being too much of a damn critic. I swear if Jay was to dig about his nose their would have thousands of mixed reviews on discussion board for it.
Lyrically: Hell: The Sequel by FAR.
Production Value: Watch The Throne by FAR.
Star Power: Watch The Throne (b/c of Jay & Kanye combo)
Chemistry: Subjective, but in my opinion, Bad Meets Evil. I see no chemistry btw Ye and Jay !
Lyrically hell the sequel is way better. Production wise WTT is way better. I prefer hell the sequel because i rather have amazing lyricism over subpar beats then amazing beats with weak lyrics. Also bad meets evil is a better group then The throne. They have way better chemistry and in all honesty the form royce is in he would beat kanye hands down, he we probably even kill jay z. Don’t get me worng I’m not saying he’s a better rapper then Jay in general. But Jay z was weak on the album, kanye had the better of him countless times.
BTW to the person who said em will fade away like 50, REALLY? then why is he the most popular rapper and one of the most popular music stars in the world.
Well the thing about BME being more lyrical than WTT is that the focus is suppose to be just about lyrics on BME. Royce even said it in a interview, that him and Em didn’t want to make an album, they wanted to box it out with words. WTT is more on production,because it’s all about changing the musical landscape of mainstream hip hop. So basing off what they intended the albums to do, their both great albums. They both deliever well on what they intended. I must say that Jay lyrically massacred the tracks “Excellence”, “Welcome To The Jungle,”Illest Motherfucker alive” second verse on “Who Gon Stop Me” crazy ! “Why I Love You So” another crazy one. For the most part Jay’s very relaxed on this album, but there are times he comes out the mode and let’s you know why he’s King Hov and can’t be fucked with.
you cant even compare this to bme just because its 2 known rappers on the same album totally different subjects
hey hey now, how could bme be more lyrical when they didn’t really rap about anything, just aimless metaphors. If you’re gonna skim through album of washed up eminem don’t pretend to have such an inciteful comment about the current state of his music
@Anonymous
Am is washed up ? So is jay you stupid hating faggot. Aimless metaphors ???? Sure ur IQ is below 50. Fool !
“Em is washed up “—typos…sorry !
@the dude who said BME was aimless metaphors. Read between the lines, those metaphors are not aimless……Of course it will be to you, because all u understand is swag, gucci, Lv, bracadi…etc !
Both focused on other things and both were great and succeeded at what they wanted to do.
I’m going to discuss this without biasness. I’m both a huge Jay and Eminem fan. They are the greatest emcees ever, I mean that shit too. Don’t bring up that overrated “Ether” shit or that Em outshined Jay on Renegade. If you mention any of that please remove Nas’s dick out your mouth. Shady use to rap and sounded too much like Jay or Nas in the begining of his career(he admitted in a interview), that was his major criticism on “Infinite” in 97. So he had to find his own style and voice, so he switched up started rapping bizarre shit that was witty ,comical and shocking with a high-pitch voice ,too distance himself from Jay’s and Nas style. Now it’s kind of clear that Em was a fan of Jay in 1996. In 2002 on the Eminem Show he flat out lets you know who’s his favorite emcees of all-time on the song “Till I Collapse” he raps ” I got a list/ this is the order that my list is in/ it goes 1.Reggie(Redman),2. Jay-Z,3. Tupac,4. Biggie,5. Andre 3000,6. Nas,7.then him. So you have to ask yourself why is Jay’s so high up on his favorite emcees list. Eminem thinks that Hov is better than Nas,Biggie,Tupac,Andre 3000 and hisself, the only who he thinks he’s not better than is Redman.
To go off topic for a minute it’s ironic that one of Royce and Em’s top favorite MC is Jay-Z! This is absolute true fact too. Jay has mutual respect for Em as a lyricist and an Mc, which two are not the same. A lyricist has superior cadence ,flow,vocab,rhyme scheme,metaphors,similes,punchlines and delievery. The MC is all about crowd control being energetic,charismatic and loved by massive numbers of the crowd or demographics. It has more to do with reaction of the people to that person , not what the person’s actually saying.
Jay and Em are definitely in the category of ultimate emcees because they embody both the elements of a lyricist and MC. That’s why they both have two decades of long-standing success in hip hop because they retained those two elements till this day. If artist wants to just live off their music they need these two components to last.Now back to the matter hand, which we discussed in the begining. Eminem is not that high on Jay-Z’s favorite emcees of all time list, so that means that Eminem is a bigger fan of Jay than Jay is of him. I’m just keeping it real ya’ll,don’t get mad. I’m fans of both so this is no slant. A staunch eminem fan might say , ” Jay’s overrated why does Eminem think he’s ill? Well there’s a reason why two of the rawest lyricist Royce and Em would be in awe of Jay’s lyrics. Peep this rhyme off American Gangster on self-title song. “Now they want to do the boy/like mike in his prime/billie jean/the goddamn boy ain’t mine”- Amercian Gangster Upon first listen it doesn’t seem much to the average listener but to a genius like Eminem it would be a lot deeper, which it is. There are three meanings to that bars , I’m not sure of third one just yet but I know two. First he’s talking about a girl most likely a groupie false accusing him of fathering her child.Secondly his speaking of crooked cops planting drugs on him accusing him of a crime he’s did not commit, which was the case for Michael Jackson and the first child molestation case during the early 90’s when MJ was still in his prime. Jay has been spitting double and even triple entendres since the begining of his career, which is similar to the style of Lupe Fiasco who was a student of lyricism of Jay-Z and Nas. A fan favorite Allow me to reintroduce myself my name is HOV!/H-to-the-O-V/ I use to move snowflakes by the ozzs/I guess even back then/ you can quote me/C.E.O of the R.O.C./ – Public Service Announcement Now let’s try to break this meaning down according to Jay in “Decoded”(excellent book) he’s of course speaking of selling rock cocaine by the ounces. The second meaning of that line refers to him selling Rocafella the company. Which explains why Jay was aloof to Dame in Fade to Black concert. Jay and Dame had a lot of issues and differences between each other like Dame trying to takeover Rocafella with Harlem artists(Dipset) and Jay feeling slighted and disrespected for Dame doing it on the sneak tip. That’s another story for another forum.
Point is to you Royce and Em fans when you diss or call Jay names , your dissing one of their top favorite emcees. So in actuality your dissing Eminem and Royce when you diss Jay ,because that’s who they believe can rap circles around majority of the rap world.
Again this is no biasness this actual facts. You can listen to Royce’s songs or his interviews by himself or with slaughterhouse, to find this fact out.
As far as lyricism I think Em and Jay are equal personally. As of today I would give Jay the slight edge because he’s still very sharp with it, whereas Em lost little bit of that excitement and spark he use to have during the Marshal Mathers Lp, The Eminem Show LP and even Encore.
Love him or hate him Hov is your favorite lyricist’s favorite lyricist( underground and mainstream)all of Slaughterhouse look up to him as one of the best lyricist to ever touch the mic and your favorite MC’s favorite MC
This for those who say Jay-Z’s overrated
Co-Sign every single word of this.
Jay is, without a doubt, the most skilled rapper to ever pick up a mic.
He’s mastered every aspect of rapping and took it to a whole new level.
Incredible success, biggest impact, best discography and most skills. Nobody’s touching him.
A showcase of his amazing abilites:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joHCfll2AGI
Wrong….He sounded like Nas, not Jay. Infinite was 1995, Jay step up 1996 ! Get ur facts right. !
@Honest Truth:
Am also a fan of both, but more of Em.
First your review/honest truth clearly shows you like Jay More(Even though u claim u are a huge fan of both).
Am going to counter almost everything u claim up there…..Lets get the ball rolling…
1. Lyricism falls under MC…ing. There are two types of Mc’s: First, The Lyrical/Story telling MC(Nas, Tupac) and Secondly, The Battling/Free-styling MC(Eminem, Jay-z).
The Reason why i personally think Em and Jay are both better compared to Nas, is because they fall under both(Lyricism and Battling). Besides Lyrics, Nas has a pretty much mediocre flow, rhymes and wordplay. If you listen to a song like “One Mic”, The story telling was Legendary, but if you look beyond that, u will see that the rhymes and flow were are mediocre…..Well, that’s by the way !
2. He sounded like Nas, not Jay on infinite. Infinite was was his debut album(Not official though), Jay step up 1996 with Reasonable doubt. From the beginning of his professional recording career, when no major label gave him a record deal, Jay-Z, Damon Dash, and Kareem Biggs created Roc-A-Fella Records as their own independent label in 1995. After striking a deal with Priority to distribute his material, Jay-Z released his 1996 debut album Reasonable Doubt. Em was highly influenced by Master Ace, LL cool J, Beastie Boys, Big Daddy Kane, Newcleus and Ice-T. Eminem was initially signed to FBT Productions in 1992, run by brothers Jeff and Mark Bass
Infinite received mixed critical reviews and was met with derision from within the local hip-hop community, earning Eminem unfavorable accusations of copying other rappers’ styles, particularly Nas and AZ.
Em admitted saying–“Obviously, I was young and influenced by other artists, and I got a lot of feedback saying that I sounded like Nas and AZ. ‘Infinite’ was me trying to figure out how I wanted my rap style to be, how I wanted to sound on the mic and present myself”.
You can call Em respect for Jay “Mutal”.
3. “Eminem Show he flat out lets you know who’s his favorite emcees of all-time on the song “Till I Collapse” he raps ” I got a list/ this is the order that my list is in/ it goes 1.Reggie(Redman),2. Jay-Z,3. Tupac,4. Biggie,5. Andre 3000,6. Nas,7.then him”——–Like you said, do u really think Redman is better than Pac ? Andre 3000 ahead of Nas ? Jay-z ahead of BIG ?? Come on. Yes, Em is applauding some of Hip Hop’s great, but is see that list no arranged in a particular order. I see is as Rhymes. Like, arrange it this way, Nas, Andree 3000, Big, Pac, Jay, reggie—-It doesn’t rhyme well, right ? Try it.
Btw, Jay Also ranks Em high on his list.
4.”Eminem is a bigger fan of Jay than Jay is of him”—–How sure are u about that ? How come Em never had plans on working with Jay, but Jay had plans on working with Em. Jay was so desperate to feature “ONLY” Em on Blueprint that Em had to eliminate Royce from the track. Em produced on black album, Jay flew all the way from new York to Detroit to seek a Joint concert with him, huh ? Like i said b4, its just Mutual respect. Em is the only rapper challenging Jay right now, and Jay is the only rapper challenging Em right now too, Both of them knows that !….Its Mutual Respect for each other !!!
5. As far as Lyricism, Em and Jay are NEVER in the same league. Don’t get me wrong, Jay is a great lyricist, but compared to Em….? come on. Even Weak Em albums like Relapse are Lyrically blessed ! Ok, lets do it like this..
Lyricism——Em
Flow——Debatable
Rhymes/wordplay—–Clear Em
Double/triple entendres—-Clearly Jay.
“As of today I would give Jay the slight edge because he’s still very sharp with it, whereas Em lost little bit of that excitement and spark he use to have during the Marshal Mathers Lp, The Eminem Show LP and even Encore. “———-What about Blueprint 3 ? Kingdom Come ? Come on, dude. You clearly Like jay more….
Even Hip hop greats like Rakim called Em the Mohammed Ali of Rap Music. Scarface said he’s scared to go on a track with Em. Master Ace call Em the best Rapper of this era. Game said, Em can’t be fucked with.
Above all, i see u a bit biased, because u are using two different measuring sticks to measure. One for Jay-z(Giving him all the benefits of Doubt), the other one for Em, constantly looking for faults). !!!
Sorry for typos, was typing fast !
compare em to gage or necro jay-z nah two different worlds
Lyricism falls under MC…ing. There are two types of Mc’s: First, The Lyrical/Story telling MC(Nas, Tupac) and Secondly, The Battling/Free-styling MC(Eminem, Jay-z).
The Reason why i personally think Em and Jay are both better compared to Nas, is because they fall under both(Lyricism and Battling). Besides Lyrics, Nas has a pretty much mediocre flow, rhymes and wordplay. If you listen to a song like “One Mic”, The story telling was Legendary, but if you look beyond that, u will see that the rhymes and flow were are mediocre…..Well, that’s by the way !
Truest words on this site. Nas is such a mediocre rapper, he might be able to tell stories with emotions, but that’s it. He’s terribly overrated.
@ Honest Truth 2
WRONG!!! The critics said that Eminem sounded like Nas or AZ, but when Eminem was interviewed about is infinte era he said that the other underground rappers or peers said he sounded too much like Nas or Jay-Z.@ Anonymous: Infinite came out in 97 not 95 dude, get your facts straight first. He even says it in the song, how could you’ve miss that? Here’s the proof of the statement In 1997, he released an album, Infinite, through a local company called FBT Productions; it was met with derision from the local hip-hop community. “I was getting a lot of feedback saying I sounded like Nas or Jay-Z,†he admitted(http://mignon.blog.com/tag/eminem/) . Go back and listen to “Till I Collaspe” again he said “I got a list/here’s the “order”/that my list is in, see key word order look up the lyrics for yourself. He didn’t name them at random, see “order” he said. He did not say no particular order which is the opposite of order. As an Em fan you should know that Redman is Em’s favorite MC of all time. So why would he says he’s Redman first then Jay second? Think about that for a minute. The funny thing is we’re pretty much on the same page about Nas. He’s one of best storytellers though. Jay and Em are lyrically lightyears head of him. It’s like Pac crushed Biggie and Bad Boy, and biggie took jabs at him here and there. Even though it seemed Pac was victorious over BIG, did that make Tupac a better lyricist than Biggie? I don’t believe so. Em is a better wordsmith than Jay I’ll give you that ,but Jay definitely has the better flow. Jay can flow over any beat and make the shit hotter than it sounds. Em doesn’t always flow over beats well.
FINALLY some people with sense here. Eminem and Jay are both the greatest, but I’d give Jay the slight edge over him. What Jay does is just too incredible. He had the best flow ever on The Black Album, how he adpated his voice perfectly to every single beat there was out of this world. But what makes this all the better, is that we all have the same views about Nas, he is FUCKING overrated. I have nothing against Nas, but as an MC people tend to have this inflated view of him, most likely based solely on Illmatic. Like you said, Eminem and Jay-Z are worlds above him in EVERY aspect of rapping. He could never reach them in complexity, metaphors, wordplay or flow. He is, in my honest opinion, complete average outside of his storytelling and emotions. I’ve always seen the Eastcoast Pac in him, nice at conveying his emotions through music, but nothing more than average, if you see the whole thing.
Nas has mediocre rhymes and flow? Nas horribly overrated? Jay and Em light years ahead of Nas? Jay/Em light years ahead of him?
I know this is a Jay/Em suckfest but come on… what about storytelling? Innovative concept tracks? Diversity of subject matter? INFLUENCE on other MCs? Discography? Vocabulary? Longevity?
You can easily argue that Nas takes it over Jay/Em in any of those categories… and you forget that Nas is the RAPPERS RAPPER… he was around before Jay/Em and influenced both of them… both those guys would put Nas in their top 10 if not top five as would countless other emcees [see Kanye, Busta, Jada, Face, RZA, J Electronica etc.]
Nas isn’t for everybody but you can’t act like Jay and Em are infallible MCs while Nas is some overrated has-been who isn’t fit to be mentioned in the same breadth… get off Jays nuts especially cause he hasn’t dropped heat since the Black Album
@comachonvargas
What???Nas was around before Jay??? You should of did your research before you stated that shit. Nas is obviously before Em,but not Jay homie.Jay’s been the rap scene since the late 80’s and early 90’s dude, have you ever heard of the “Originators” with him and Jaz-O. Have you ever heard about “Hawaian Sophie” Jaz-O ft. Jay-Z in 1989? Look it up on youtube. Jay was feature on the Original Favors track “Can I Get Open” in 1993. Jay also beat LL Cool J and Big Daddy Kane in a battle in the early 90’s. According to Big Daddy Kane Jay’s flow and lyricism was more deadly and untouchable back in the late 80’s early 90’s. He dropped his first single “I Can’t Get with That” in 94 followed by “In My Lifetime” in 1995. 1994 was the year that “Illmatic” and “Ready to Die” debuted. Jay’s been in the game for over 20 years dude. He had already previous years of experience in the game before he debuted his first studio album Reasonable Doubt in 96. Make sure next time you come more accurate with your facts. Em’s first LP Infinite in 97, drew influences from Nas,AZ and Jay-Z works.
His storytelling is amazing, I already said that. His concept tracks are good, too. But I’m not talking about influence, discography and shit here. I’d rate Killah Priest higher if it comes to those other things. The Offering > anything Nas did since Stillmatic.
@Honest Truth:
Stop saying Em sounded like Jay on Infinite. The world world knows Em sounded like Nas ans Az. Listen to infinite again and figure out who he sounds like….CLEARLY NAS !!!!!
Secondly, Inifinte was Recorded btw 1995–1996 and released November 12, 1996. How can he sound like Jay when Jay’s debut was 1996 ?
SLIM SHADY EP was released 1997 not infinite !.
Personally, i think Em got a better flow than Jay, Personally !
@DJ
I strongly diagree that Em has a better flow overall. Now them Em today could not fuck with the early 90’s-mid 90’s Jay,because his rhyme style was super technical with a lot internal rhyming schemes and unbelievable wordplay and double entendres and amazing multi-syllabical lyrics with a variety of flows. He was also mad hungry with something to prove back then. Only the MMLP and The Eminem Show Eminem can fuck with Hov from 98-03. Infinite came out in 97 not 95 or 96 , what the fuck is wrong with you guys getting those simple facts wrong. Read Em’s discography “Infinite was released in Nov 96. Reasonable Doubt was released in June 96. Jay’s first single “In My Lifetime” was released in 95. Still Infinite did not come out before RD
@Honest Truth:
Only MMLP and TES can fuck with Hov ????? SSLP is Em’s best material. MMLP and TES(Still classics though) are more commercially successfully. Jay has only 2 strong albums(arguably 3 though), Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint and maybe….Black album. The rest are all like Ehh. American Gangster was pretty nice too. Both Em and Jay had failed to deliver since 2003(TES and Black Album respectively), so WTF you talking about ??
Em got better lyrics, Multi-syllabic Rhymes and wordplay than jay. Em can rhyme 50words that don’t rhyme in real life. The only debate btw them is Flow(Em flows faster, so that makes him more technical than Jay). Em is also a better story teller ! Em Vs Nas is a better Comparism. Jay is overrated as fuck !!!!!!!!!!!!
I like Jay-Z’s music much more, but LMAO him @ having better rhymes than Eminem. Not even close, you deluisonal fan. The Eminem from today has better rhymes than Jay in his prime, his rhymes have always been pretty simple. Eminem chooses way complexer words, he rhymes things that Jay wouldn’t even dare to think of. Eminem stacks mulitsyllabic rhyme upon multisyllabic rhyme upon multisyllabic rhyme. The only rappers who can fuck with him there are Elzhi, Diabolic, Percee P and Vakill.
Eminem better than Jay-Z in his prime?? No your delusional with that shit man. You need to go back and listen to “Graveyard Niggas”,”I Gotta Reach The Top” in 94 or early 90’s Big Daddy Kane featuring a young Hov. Big L even said he started fucking with Jay because he was underground battle monster destroying dudes left and right(DMX is debatable). Are you really trying to say that the Em could fuck with the Reasonable Doubt Jay? what the fuck are you smoking on? Comparing Nas with Em? Em would tear Nas’s ass apart that dude’s wordplay fell off hard since Stillmatic. Em’s catalog is not fucking with Jay’s catalog point blank period. I’m a fan Em and believe he’s up there with greats. You ask any true hip hop head who’s better between Em and Jay overall and most likely they’ll say Jay. Know one is as an impactful figure in hip hop than Jay is, because niggas still follow the blueprint he came in the game with till this day. Just for the record “Takeover” was better battle track than “Ether”. Ether was just personal insults,jokes,and some facts. The Takeover was stone-cold hard facts, that was confirmed by Mc Serch and Large Professor. Mc Serch put Nas on and Large Professor was responsible for making “Illmatic” a classic. I’m going to stop arguing though,because I don’t expect you Nas stans,Jay haters and Em dickriders to give Hov his rightfully due respect.
Nobody talking about Nas, that dude is way too whack to be mentioned with Eminem and Jay.
@Honest Truth:
Did u listen to the Em on SSLP ? That Em will tear Jay-z apart any day !
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“This is something like the Holocaust Millions of our people lost Bow our heads and pray to the lord”
“Only spot a few blacks the higher I go What’s up to Will Shoutout to O That ain’t enough We gon need a million more”
Dope
Is it just me or am I missing something this album was nowhere near what is should have been.
Agreed, was expecting better.
Few really good tracks and imma big Frank Ocean fan.
But a few weak tracks, and Jay lyrically is way off point.
Album is great. Young heads wont understand it, others will hate, and some will want to hear old Jay and better Ye!Jay lyrics is way off…Man! Yal trippin extra heavy round these parts bruhda!
”Jay’s lyrics way off point.” That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard in a long ass time. I love these random statements, way better than formed jokes.
id say its a hate it or love thing. Classic hiphop heads might not like it cause its not the typical beats or flows but idk in my mind it will always be a classic.
Yeah keep it in your mind, guy.
how you gonna compare a pill poppin rapper to a former hustler
What’s your point?
Good album. Great production.
dude i have followed jay-z since resaonable doubt i have every CD he has ever made and i mean his Whole discography he is one of my fav rappers and i have almost every kanye west cd made.. just because i love both rappers doesnt mean this cd is good i have listened through it over n over trying to convince myself it is good but it is just not. and i dont want to hear the while lecture about smart ppl vs. dumb ppl the rappers that i listen would make every mainstream rapper look dumb so it is not a matter of intelligence the CD was NOT GOOD awful beats half assed lyrics and ill be honest i havent liked kanye ever since the auto tuned 808s and heartbreak but i expect more from JAY ppl are in denial i swear just cuz there heavy hitters doesnt mean this cd isnt awful
you have gone over the top. The album is decent, the beats are definitely not awful they aree actually pretty good, but the lyrics aint that great. But then again thats your opinion…..
I couldnt disagree more. I’ll give this album credit for having 9 out of 16 good songs. The rest is garbage. 3.5 out of 5 is my rating.
i prob am a little too critical of it but idk i just was waiting soooo long for it to come out and i was excited for it and it wasnt at all what i felt like there capable of but idk
you should listen to it a few more time. This album seems to grow on people
gay album
Your gay
classic
THIS IS EPIC
Fresh
watch the throne
Jay right now = Jordan on the Wizards
Even the greats reach the point when it’s time to walk away…
3.5
What does Jay have to prove at this point in his career? Nothing
Hence the Jordan on the wizards analogy.
I’ m a Jay and a ‘Ye fan. This album is just ok to me. Hov’s writing was lackluster compared to his work on BP3. I never thought I’d say that Kanye’s bars were more entertaining than Jay’s, but they are on 90% of the album. Production was not as sick as MBDTF, but good. “That’s My Bitch” should’ve been left off altogether. In a nutshell, I give it a 3.5.
The album is a 3.5
watch the throne wasnt hype them beats is killin this album people dont want to hear songs takin shots at white america simple as that they want there niggas to be smackin bitches and killin a nigga for his crack spot and it keeps niggas exactly where they want them in the trap sittin on dubs they dont want to hear people dedicating songs to a nigga who got shot up by 4 white officers or black men telling other black men to be fathers to there kids or 2 rich black men wanting more black people to become millionares they dont like lines like “LOLOL WHITE AMERICA” or giving props to sister betty or brother malcom or mr king jay was a fuckin dope dealer at a young age who eventually by the grace off god got out the fuckin projects of nyc and after a while he noticed the shit he was doing was wrong and his music started to reflect this and thats when he so called fell off because he not driving threw marcy anymore making crack songs for you to dance to he not talkin about profit he talkin about pain and he a grown married man thats why you get a song like thats my bitch HIS verse was talking about seeing more WOMEN of color being put in better positions in this country yall dont even know black artist had to leave this country in the early 20s and 30s and go to paris to find work ms lena horne was popular in euroupe then the whites wanted her to perform in the U.S THATS why the song is called NIGGAS in PARIS they took it back but on another level they doing them as blacks in paris “I GOT MY NIGGAS IN PARIS AND WE GOING GORILLAS”- “Graduated from the corner Yall can play me For a motherfuckinin fool if you wanna Street smart And Iâ€(TM)m book smart Could have been a chemist Cause I cook smart Only thing that can stop me is me”-“Oh sweet baby Jesus We made it in America”-“Itâ€(TM)s a celebration of black excellence”-“Only spot a few blacks the higher I go Whatâ€(TM)s up to Will Shoutout to O That ainâ€(TM)t enough We gon need a million more Kick in the door Biggie flow Iâ€(TM)m all dressed up with nowhere to go”-“They say my black card bear the mark of the beast I repeat My religion is the beat” ALL quotes from that trash album he just released so keep doing the illuminatis work join a gang and kill eachother “This is something like the Holocaust Millions of our people lost Bow our heads and pray to the lord”
100% cosign Jay spat genius bars on WTT. “Is Pious pious cause God loves pious Socrates asks, Whose bias do y’all seek? All for Plato, screech I’m out here ballin, I know y’all hear my sneaks Jesus was a carpenter, Yeezy laid beats Hova flow the Holy Ghost, get the hell up out your seats Preach” WTF what’s hotter than that right now, oh i forgot People want them talkin bout coke and dope over simplistic soul samples and party athems…. WTT is brilliant
People don’t get Jay, as always.
They haven’t gotten Jay bars since 94.
Gotta Have It is a hell of a addicting song!
Man this album go hard!
A very nice effort(4/5), though i Prefer Hell: The Sequel. And to those nut cases saying BME was just aimless Metaphors, Like The critic on Dj Booth Said—-“If you’ve ever found yourself pouring over the lyrics to a Eminem or Royce song, trying to break down each metaphor and punchline, you’ll eat Hell up.”
jay “had a spark when he started” but imo anything after black album “is just garbage” not hatin so kill dat shyt. im just sayin this nigga flow use to b so nice that if u aint like em u still had to give em props but now. smh its like somebody else said jordan playin for the wizards if u aint got shyt to prove then stay out the booth my nigga i hate effortless flows comin from somebody who can do so much better
Fucking agree with you man dick riders need to chill with all their bullshit. This “lazy” flow is just awful it seems like they don’t try. NOT giving any money to these niggas they shoud’ve never gave them money. I liked Frank Ocean though incredible potential in that guy!
I was hoping for a “perfect album” along the lines of Dark Twisted Fantasy, and although not perfect, this is still a really good album. To the hell with the haters…4/5
I love it. Its revolutionary. Something new to the table
This was an absolutely terrible album.
Man there are alot of Eminem Stans on here , like for real , Eminem was dope back in the dayz , but he just sucks ass today . and thats real talk . i dont understand you fans riding his dick so much . Bad meets evil was below average at best . his last good cd was the eminem show .
and jay z dickriders his last good cd was the black album really . kanye west was good awhile ago , but he gets gayer and gayer by the day .
Correction Hov’s last great album was Amercian Gangster, it was damn near consider a classic to critics and hip hop world. I agree people acting Em is still the best since white bread. The Recovery was alright but straight shit compared to SSLP,MMLP,The Eminem Show. Em does not have that spark anymore, and he’s trying to hard to prove himself. Back in the day you use the rhyme ridiculously flawlessl with I don’t give a fuck attitude. I’m not feeling this serious EM.
American Gangster was a classic.
American Gangster a classic ???????????????
Album is fucking dope
“I’m plakining on a million”
“O shit is just blacks on black on black”
“Taught niggaz how to be kings but all they wanted was to be soldiers”
“Domino, Domino only spot a few blacks the higher i go”
Hater Hate 5*
2 years pure shit from them 2 …. finally out of the box
“Lift off” is a trash cut ruining the vibe on the beginning of the album.
Goddamn, No church in the wild then Niggas in Paris then Otis then Gotta have it then a New day WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECT.
Solid fucking album. 4/5.
This album wuz str8 up trash. If it wuznt jayz n kanye puttin this muthafucka out, nobody would say itz any good. Garbage
This album wuz str8 up fire. If it wuznt jayz n kanye puttin this muthafucka out, nobody would say itz bad. Classic
It’s only 3 songs i might skip,but the album is damn good other then that.
standard version 4 deluxe 5
standard 5 deluxe-CLASSIC
“take it how you want to a nigga dead until then im the illest motherfucker aliveeeeeee/whole
world aiming at a nigga head because im the illest motherfucker aliveeeeeee “
many will listen but few will hear
soooo true, this album will go over people heads, also people take offense to jay & ye’s boasting but people should realise when their bragging on their money , fame etc, they’re not talking to us(the fans) they’re bragging to all the other rappers who brag (birdman, gucci, wayne, the racks-on-racks dude) , not waving their money in OUR faces, but one-upping the antagonist
CLASSIC nuff said
Im not from america so i dont really get the lyrics that much. But as for production this album was beautiful. Especially on good sound system.
Let me break it down….
1.They purposely made sure they didn’t have a single that was radio friendly, its was a statement saying we can make what we want. That’s good shit
2. The production takes different style beats from different era’s in Hip-Hop history. (Just go listen, that’s why they have RZA, Pete Rock, Neptunes, Swizz, Mike Dean, even took the electronica sound that’s origins are in Detroit, etc.) The samples alo highlight some our best artists of all time.
3. This album is saying “F” white America. Just listen…Quick track breakdown
1. ‘No Church’No explanation needed, talking about not believing in the system
2. ‘Lift Off’Interlude track,basically saying get ready for whats next
3. ‘Niggas in Paris’ This track is talking shit to people who think just because you black in Europe don’t mean you can BALL. Just listen to the skit, its a joke at how whites don’t really understand what the substance in HIP HOP is really about.
4. ‘Otis’ just a little flexing over a sample of one of the best AA artists of all time. Who left us way to early.
5. ‘Gotta Have it’ they get right to the point, F white America. That’s why Kanye comes in with ‘LOLOLOL White America” Discussing how society hates rich blacks. Just peep the sample.
6. ‘New Day’ Just some insight on how they are rea people too, who worry about raising they’re kids.
7. ‘Thats My Bitch Jay-Z shines on this talking about how black women aren’t given respect as beautiful as they are.
8. ‘Welcome To the Jungle’ talking your way through the hood. Jay highlights the tricky nature of the hood.
9. ‘Who Gon Stop Me’ the name says it all. Kanye shouts ‘millions of our people lost’. Highlighting the the progress of successful blacks.
10. ‘Murder to Excellence’ if I have to explain this then you probably haven’t heard it, or is totally oblivious to the struggle of blacks in America.
11. ‘Made in America’ talking about how we have made a name in America as blacks, but we need to build on it. ‘we need a million more’
12. ‘Why I love you’ Jay talking to Beans and the rest of the camp that he feels are disrespectful to him, and other critics of his legacy.
*wont break down the bonus tracks, but primetime, the joy, and illest alive should have been given to all..Buy this album!!!!!
@f LOLOLO WHITE AMERICA u sound like kanye fucked one of your bitches you want amber back? lmaoo
*CLASSIC*
JAY IS THE GREATEST!
“But I still hear the ghosts of the kids I never had”
Not bad, huh,for some immigrants?Build your fences, we diggin’tunnels Can’t you see we gettin’ money up under you?Can’t ya see the private jets flyin’ over you? Maybach bumpersticker read “What would Hova do?†Jay is chillin’,‘Ye is chillin’,what more can I say?We killin’ ‘em Hold up, before we end this campaign As you can see we done bodied the damn lames Lord, please let them accept the things they can’t change And pray that all of they pain be champagn
THE 40 YEAR OLD PHENOM
If you havent heard Primetime listen then you know thats thes song that makes this album complete
Now you know ass is Willie
When they got you in a mag
For like half a Billi
And your ass ain’t Lilly
White
That mean that shit you write must be illy
Either that or your flow is silly
It’s both
I don’t mean to boast
But damn if i don’t brag
Them crackers gonna act like i ain’t on they ads
The Martha Stewart
That’s far from Jewish
Far from a Harvard student
Just had the balls to do it
And no I’m not through with it
In fact I’m just previewing it
This ain’t the show I’m just EQ’in it
One, Two and i won’t stop abusing it
To groupie girls stop false accusing it
Back to the music
The mayback roof is translucent
Niggas got a problem Houston
What up B
They can’t shut up me
Shut down I
Not even P.E.
I’mma ride
God forgive me for my brash deivery
But i remember vivily
What these streets did to me
So picture me
Lettin these clowns nit pick at me
Paint me like a Pickaninny
I will literally
Kiss Tee-Tee in the forhead
Tell her please forgive me
Then squeeze until your forhead
I’m not the one to score points off
In fact
I got a joint to knock your points off
Young
Hova the God nigga blast for me
I’m at the Trump International
Ask for me
I ain’t never scared
I’m everywhere
You ain’t never there
Nigga why would i ever care
Pound for pound I’m the best to ever come around here
Excluding nobody
Look what i embody
The soul of a hustler i really ran the street
I CEO’s mine
That marketing plan was me
And no i ain’t get shot up a whole bunch of times
Or make up shit in a whole bunch of lines
And i ain’t animated, like say a, Busta Rhymes
But the real shit you get when you bust down my lines
Add that to the fact i went plat a bunch of times
Times that by my influence
On pop culture
I supposed to be number one on everybody’s list
We’ll see what happens when i no longer exist
Fuck this
add a little suger ouwwww
(KW) I do it for the four fathers, yeah the street authors / That are now A&Rs in the cheap office / Rappers that never got signed but they keep offers / Girls that’s way to fine for us to keep off us / Gave her a handshake, only for my man’s sake / She in her birthday suit cause of the damn cake / Now there’s crumbs all over the damn place / And she want me to c*m all over her damn face / I never understood Planned Parenthood / Cause I never met nobody planned to be a parent in the hood / Taken refills of that Plan B pill / Another shorty that won’t make it to the family will / If I don’t make it, can’t take it, hope the family will / They ain’t crazy, they don’t know how insanity feel / Don C. just had a shorty so it’s not that bad / But I still hear the ghosts of the kids I never had / No electro, no metro / A little retro, ahh, perfecto / You know the demo, your boy act wild / You ain’t get the memo, Yeezy’s back in style
smash music. trash hip hop.
fck this this isnt rap. Lil B raps better than Kanye. and he even writtes his own words
you high? gtfoh
kanye writes his rhymes go to ascap lmao stupid statement
aint nuthin hiphop about this album i’m not saying its total trash cz the white kids might not like that but i actually wanted to listen to some real hiphop which it aint yall enjoy some pop
hiphop has no boundries just people
whats real hiphop explain please?
he didnt get the memo yeezy back in style
please no throwing rocks at the throne the people have spoken its a classic this album is hater proof move in with your life lmaoo add a lil suguar ouwww
Explain real Hip Hop. I’ve got an advice for you, it doesn’t exist outside of your imagination.
let me explain hiphop for yall, hiphop is dope beats and rhymes, that album had no dope beats and no dope rhymes and jay-z cant flow for shit nowadays not to mention kanye’s so from a real hiphop head perspective this album sucked real bad..the throne can only be earned by those who deserve it end of the story.
How can you hear “Primetime”, “New Day”, “Murder To Excellence”, “Welcome to the Jungle”, “The Joy”, etc and claim that this isn’t hip-hop?! This is about as hip-hop as it get’s in the mainstream.
Sure this album had it’s fair share of experimentation but that’s what makes it great. You have to try new things in order to move forward.
These people are too dumb to realize this. Hip Hop consists of stripped down boom bam beats and a rapper who raps about Hip Hop for them.
no offence bro but you are the ugliest motherfucker I have ever seen. If I didn’t know any better I’d assume your mom was a titty waitress at hooters, got pregnant, was fired for her slump in appearance, then couldn’t afford an abortion so she had the local kids try and whack her bulging fetus like a piÃNLG±ata. Only you survived and that’s how you ended up with such a disfigured face. Either that or you got baptised with scolding hot coffee. I bet if a blind kid felt your face he’d be asking why there’s a pizza on this camels ass. shit’s disgusting bro get it sorted or at least wear a bucket over your head or something. peace
u mad bro?
good album i think, Jay is casual nowadays but i love the style.
jay-z fell way the fuck off. dude makes so many stupid noises in between his average raps now. where’s the flow? basic ass flow, empty lyrics. i keep seeing niggas say this album is pro black. where? mr hudson hooks aren’t pro black, mr hudson hooks are designed to attract WHITES. seriously some of the worst rapping of jay-z’s incredible career. i’m a big jay-z fan, but he kills maybe 1 verse on this album. compare that to the black album, where he killed every verse. kanye beats are fucking gay nowdays. this is a very gay album. soft men will like this album. the album reminds of the firm, or nastradamus. huge letdown. its like dr.dre presents the aftermath. i’d argue most long time jay-z fans aren’t crazy about it. in my lifetime jay-z fans, know this shit is weak. all y’all new school drake and big sean fans, probably cant believe the brilliance. all perspective. weak beats, weak rapping, weak songs, weak album. i don’t care who dropped it. back to the drawing board. these niggas made some straight up bullshit, and to add insult to injury really shot for the charts on some faggot pop shit.
cut your ears off
That hatred I’ve encurred about this album is disappointing. as I’ve related it to my commrades; we’ve been eating hamburger helper rap for so long now when we get filet minon it tastes funny at first! People really justifying their hatred for this album on the strength of Jay-Z’s age? Of the content? Of the noises he makes between lyrics? Yet Jay-Z at 40-41 is still the hottest nigga here next to Ye, Em and Nas! I thought we learned with Aalyiah age aint nothing but a number! Jay-Z and Ye are WEALTHY! They’re talking that wealth shit. When they were broke slanging and what not they talked about that, “I speak it than you see it, its not just in the music.” They also are seeing fewer of their own people in the upper eshelon or their Black women being praised the way White women are and that’s not content suitable for you?! Seriously?! And on noises, Wayne can say “Yeah” after everything or giggle like a lil bitch, Ross sounds like he’s cackling with his (huuh) after every other thing he says (ROSAY fills in the other dead spaces or WHOOOOOO) yet we’re hating on Hov?! Come folks, lets talk about what all this hatred is really about. We as a Hip-Hop community love to see the rise and the fall, we love to see youth come in be great and then fade away when they get older. Unfortunately for this generation however, they’re not making the type of music that you’ll have to stop and listen to when it comes on the radio 10 20 years from now! Think about who’s still in the game that you’re still listening to that will still be hot and relevant in 10 20 years, Snoop, Eminem, Nas, Jay-Z, Kanye West, Dr. Dre, Game!!!! If these cats are still making classic music and the youth are making nonsense guess what? That means the game done changed and it’s time for all of us to quit looking to the fertilized eggs to produce a hit and let these legends and what not carry the game for a while!
wayne sucks. rick ross sucks. jay-z sucks on the mic now. that AGAAGGHHHH sound is retarded. jay-z’s flow continues to weaken. notice how short his breaths are now. there’s nothing here that is difficult to deliver live, other than a brief second of double time rapping over a techno beat that sucks. this ain’t filet mignon jack. the blueprint, was prime rib. late registration, was filet minon. this is frozen steakums, shipped from europe. if you love this album, chances are you’re either a jay-z dickrider, or a kanye dickrider. that’s fine. just know these niggas have released FAR better music together. nothing on this album is close to what they did on the diamonds remix. lacks quotables. no classic beats off the rip. the blueprint was a classic the day it dropped. this shit was a DUD the moment it leaked. there’s jay-z fans, jay-z haters, and jay-z dickriders. you sir, are a jay z dickrider. this isn’t the first time he’s dropped a disappointing album. it’s just extra disappointing considering he had kanye at his disposal and still couldn’t get it done. not at any point during listening, did i think “wow jay and kanye really worked hard for that one”. they dropped an album, and cashed in. they won, the listeners lost. not everyone that thinks this album sucks is a hater. get it through your heads, you emo queers. dont let me stop you from thinking its amazing. but i have followed both these niggas careers closely, and this is far from amazing. they both sound like they are on E. fill up the gas tank. shit is weak.
your mistaken.this album is filled with autotune hooks and verses. your an idiot if you think any song with that type of production is going to be listened to in 20 years. when we hear drakes or kanyes voice in 20 years its gonna be like “yo wats that wak voice that all those songs had on them,hiphopwas fukin up back then”if dudes are gonna rap or sing, let people hear the idiosyncrasies of your voice. dont call them legends cuz you’ve heard em on the radio your whole life, and they sell records.
im a big fan but the album sucks southern dicks
helllo
Dope!
Love how tey were sayin how its just straight hiphop album wit no hooks and its so hard, but then Jay puts his wife on a chorus.shit is lame and corny dude is right on one thing if it wasn’t these two on the album, it would be extremely forgettable
This album is terrible. The only way I would find any of these songs good is if I listened to them all at least 3 times, I did not like any song from start
this album not for people with A low I.Q most of the refrences are from black culture that you probably are not into its the truth this album is full of positive quotes i would say 90% of the people on these forums dont know who keke sheppard is and dont even know who phillip drummond was either you to young or not in to black culture and most of the time its both bottom line this album takes are look at WHITE AMERICA and people not use to hearing that since public enemy its not in your face like it was back then but white people dont want to hear songs about malcom x or songs about violence in the inner city they want to hear rappers like game and rick ross talk about smackin up bitches they love the negative aspect of the culture but they dont want to hear kanye talking about fucking a white bitch with a flat ass but they rather hear a rapper shoot up 20 niggas on a album.
In the past if you picture events like a black tie
What the last thing you expect to see, black guys? –“Murder to Excellence†Only spot a few blacks the higher I go
What’s up to Will. Shout out to O.
That ain’t enough…we gonna need a million more –“Murder to Excellenceâ€
LOLOLOL, America/ Try and assassinate my character.”
hot ass album!!! 5 stars!
album is way above the average commercial ish we are bombarded with on tv and the radio, i will also say its far from a classic. Biggest problem this album will have is you have to listen, they are r sayin some real ish, ish most rappers aint sayin so they can get they video n radio play
some real shit, better than weezy
3/5
2 album pretty shit
LISTEN TO THE GARBAGE IS MORE LIKE IT
i have never seen an album sell out like this one ever in my days of buying a new release!!! But then again we are in the days of digital and retailers have cut way back on staff who knows anything and ordering more than one box of a new release. Cardboard displays and front of the store merchandising are gone now the new albums are placed on a back rack gondola in the store. Way to lose money on sales Best Buy!!!
3.5/5 – I wasnt feeling this album even though Kaynes last album was a classic.
FUCK JIGGA.
RED > WTT
LMAO KAYNE LAS ALBUM WAS HIS WORST ALBUM NOWHERE NEAR A CLASSIC THAT ALBUM WAS A 3/5 AT THE BEST
This album really showed me that Jay-Z has long run out of things to talk about.
YUP TALKING ABOUT FATHER HOOD AND BLACK ON BLACK CRIME nothing to say.go listen to kreyshawn gtfoh
Leave Kreayshawn out of this bitch
Most creative rap album of all time.
Two lyrical beasts trade flows over top notch production, one of the best albums this year.
MOST OVERRATED ALBUM OF THE YEAR = BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT OF THE YEAR.
Only Murder to Excellence deserves my mp3 so i will give 1 star for that.
BTW RED >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WTT every fuckin day!!!
It is people like you that hiphopdx should change it’s format for blogging smh….rate the album right without being a total hater!!!! You know damn well this album ain’t no one star!!!! Be real with yourself and stop hating my dude.
red flop of the year
WORST ALBUM OF 2011….
havent heard RED album yet, but Im pretty sure its fire, but to say WTT the worst album your crazy, game been working on his album for 2-3 years, jay & ye for less than a year, no doubt Game is the hungry underdog , but he been riding d*cks forever….GTFOH
crack musc
How do you figure that?
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Reading these comments reminds me why I don’t consider myself a “hip hop fan” anymore.
It’s amazing how dumb some of these replies are, and it’s funny how the late-teen, early-twenties douches with dreams of being an MC go out of their way to shit on anything “commercial” in an attempt to be seen as having a discerning opinion, when all it means is you just jump mindlessly on a different bandwagon than the “sheep” you think you’re opposing.
im convinced people don’t listen to jay when he raps. like really listen…
no church in the wild, n*ggas in paris, who gon stop me , murder to excellence, made in america, new day, that’s my bitch,and welcome to the jungle. people gonna listen to these songs, really listen to what hes saying and call it wack? really though? thats like the whole album minus three songs that he legitimately killed by himself…
people need to get their own opinion
thats how you know they didnt listen to the album but let them hate record sales dont lie
This album has its moments
It’s not a classic, but to say it’s wack is just plain hating. I’m not dissapointed at all. Lyrics are nice and the sound is completely different than anything out. 4/5
Album Of the Year!!!!!!! Fuck All You N.i.G.G.E.R. Thats ARe Hatin….. Welcome to HavanaSmoking cubanos with Castro in cabanasViva Mexico, Cubano
Dominicano, all the plugs that I know
Driving Benzes, wit’ no benefits
You are a faggot of the 10th degree. Please stop listening to rap, you’re ruining it for everyone.
Jay has never been this political and straightforward before. To say he’s run out of topics is clearly a misconception. What’s up with this if you listen and like mainstream hip hop you can’t be a real hip hop head shit? That’s like saying if you marvel and enjoy watching Michael Jackson dance, you can’t fully appreciate street dance. See how stupid that shit sounds.
One of the most over hyped albums in recent memories !
Its a classic. Way better than “BluePrint 3” and “My beautiful Dark twisted Fantasy”. Every song can be listened to, some my come off as “ehh” but if you give it a play and listen you’ll be like “this is pretty good”. Im not too crazy on beats/instrumentals that change drastically in the song like some on here. I think thats more suited for like RnB, Rock, etc. Its kinda “hit or miss” with me but not enough to lessen the rating. If you appreciate good music, have an open mind for new music formula, and love Hip-Hop then youll love the album.
yea
real Music…
This album was very bad to say the least. Jay-Z sounds bored and has run out of things to rap about, Kanye outshines him on this LP, but thats not a compliment towars kayne, i think anyone would of outshined Jay on this. The production is good in places but also very bad in places and auto-tune doesnt do “watch the throne” any favours. Songs such as “muder to exellence” are good but it doesnt hide the fact the LP is a dissapointment after such a long wait. this isnt a classic album and anyone who says it is needs to listen to more hip-hop and rap in general.
I learned my lesson a long time ago about rating a Jay-Z album after one listen. I never grasp how good the album is on the first go round so I put it on repeat and listen a few times first. And like his other albums, this one took a few listens to really “get” it. Hell, I hated Vol. 3 (shelved for at least a year before I gave it repeat performances) and the Black Album when they came out. But, after listening a couple times I can say that this album is good to great. First thing I listen for in an album is “listenability.” Can I listen to the WHOLE CD without skipping a song? Most albums cant even accomplish that and that alone bumps it up to at least a 3 for me. Then, can I repeat playing the cd and not only not get tired of it, but hear new things I missed? Thats where Jay-Z is strongest and leads the pack to me and why his albums necessitate repeat listens! You miss stuff on the first, second and even third listen with him. Thats gives the album at least a half star. Then finally is production. I think the production was good, not great. Half star. I didnt mention Kanye because this album sounded basically like a rehash of Dark Twisted Fantasy for him. He didnt add much to the album but he didnt take away from it either. 3.5-4 stars
WTT is an evolution of hip-hop! These guys took a chance with the beats, lyrics and ideas on this cd. I’m tried of hearing the same ‘ol I was a big drug dealer in my hood who just who decided to rap songs, ride or die chick song, or the I have so much money everybody want to be me or they hate me song. This album is a classic but some people won’t get it or understand.
I just gave this piece of shit 1 star. lol
Weezy over Gay-Z any day of the week
HUH WEEZY KISS MEN AND YOU CALL JAY GAY SHOOT YOURSELF
music …
Kayne and Jay-z did there thing.. i wished to hear more tracks but it was a good album.
i thing RED album is a lot better then this album.. Kayne is fire but gay-z no so… Def gonna cop Carter IV and i got RED album which is fire!!!!
Watch Tha Throne is 4 mature Grown ass people. This is what real music sound like(are its just me).
looking over all these comments and i know now why hip hop is where it is its not the soulja boyz and games and waynes its theses dumbass no hearing real music fans thats why i gotta listen to bullshit coming out!!!i cannot believe someone said the RED album was better then WTT and the only thing that is good about the carter IV is tech N9ne is on the album please all you real hip hop fans support your artist and all you dumbass fans let a real fan school ya on how to listen to music
school people on what to listen to? ITS CALLED AN OPINION. i KNOW i’m a smart guy and i’v ben a musician my whole life. I thought RED album was a great album. I thought Section 80 was a great album, I thought Returnof4eva was a great album/mixtape. Are you gonna tell me i dont like “good music”. I thought WTT was average, i thought RED album was great (besides like 3 songs). anyway, just my OPINION
red great album noway
Lol.. I don’t have this debate often because those who dislike this album are obviously those who just don’t get it.
… which is cool.
Niggas have preferences, aint nothing wrong.
This is to the memory of Danroy Henry/
Too much enemy fire to catch a friendly/
Strays from the same shade nigga, we on the same team/
Giving you respect, I expect the same thing/
– Murder to excellence
This is an album you’ll have to LISTEN to. Plug your ipod or somethin, throw some headphones on and actually listen to what these niggas are saying.
If you don’t get it, just say you don’t get it.
Not something that will be looked back on as revolutionary in my ears. I wont be going back to listen to this unless I feel I wanna get ignorant (not so bad sometimes). Its an album that features two very promising figures in Hip-Hop/Rap music, who delivered a somewhat underwhelming product. Not a terrible album but its isnt a Blueprint/College Dropout caliber album.
The Best!!
Beautiful beats, amazing wording & lyrics too… Best Album of the year…. also fo’ me!
naah
eh, its decent, not better than Tha Carter IV, but decent. YMCMB >
Stop fooling yourself, it’s lightyears ahead of C4
Album Of The Year!!!!
Lyrical!!! Real Hip Hop is on it’s way back!!! Listened to the Carter IV and it just couldn’t compare.
im a wayne fan but i have to admit this is better then carter 4
Ye is on a roll. Fuck weezy kanye is the best in the game right now
NIce!!
Sounds so soulful don’t you agree!!
These two are the best doing it. I really like BME, and they are lyrically ahead of Jay and Yeezy but WTT brings it all together. This is probably going to end up being the best hip hop album of the year, unless Sideline Story or Radioactive blows us away. Or if Nas drops his album in time.
Oh and Kendrick, Section.80 deserves consideration.
Seems u forgot saigon…Btw. BME>>>>>WTT. Lyrics matter more. WTT is all production, just like MBDTF !!!! Cheesy lyrics !
this album is just ok. to be honest i was kinda disappointed with this project. i was expecting to be blown away by the lyrics and the production but i wasnt. i want the the blue print jay back. will some body please find me the pre 808s and heartbreaks kanye
classic
5 stars
the people saying this album is wack are a bunch of thug niggas who only listen to songs about shooting people, raping girls, stealing stuff, smoking weed e.t.c
THIS ALBUM GOING TO SELL BETTER THAN LIL WEENIE AND THE GAY’S ALBUM
False !
I heard that!
False, they are more likely white teenagers who think Eminem is the King of hip Ho (kanye shrug)
Jay puts the finishing touch on Kanye tracks. great original rap music !
Great album. I wish I bought the deluxe cd instead but its all good. Kanye and Jigga did the damn thing.
I press play and don’t skip any songs on this album, I dont even skip lift off which is mostly an r&b track. but that’s the way it should be when 2 legends do an album together. 5 out of 5
good album, lyrically could of been better.
You’re going to need to do a bit of research if you don’t think if this album is lyrical.
5/5
Joker
Agree with review
Its a album for an older audience sooo i dont expect teens to like this album any how..
+1
Older audience my Ass !!!! What’s so different about WTT ? Quit trying to justify this trash. Older audience, Is Kanye West a matured man ?
I like Late Registration Kan”yay”, Common “Be” yay, Consequence “yay”, whatever happened? Man I like Kanyes beats when he was flippin Chaka Kahn samples…”lift off” is coo
good album 4sure
good album 4sure
Shit super trash
in the top 3 albums of the year idk what 9th wounder was talking about
Great album
http://soundcloud.com/ess500/kill-in-um-soundwav-tag
The real hip hop is over here
Straight up fire…I skipped about 1 track on the album and a bonus track which was H.A.M becuz I heard it wayyyy too much already
Very good album
AMazing
dope af!!!!!!!!!!!
WTT
Better than Recovery and Relapse. Dont even pretend thats not true.
Jay-Z is the best to ever do it. hes the most consistent rapper, he’s outlasted all his peers, he is better than eminem. He is better than biggie. he is better than Pac and He is better than Nas. Thats no disrespect to the rest of the great rap legend. But From start to finish Jay-z spits, Its funny that half the shit he says is still over peoples heads. Cats say hov isnt lyrical. Do you listen to music or just skim through it?
LL Cool, Lil Wayne, Tupac, Too Short, Nas, Eminem, etc. all have had longevity and made a lot of money. Understand Jay hates on a lot of people to be on time. He goes after styles like ‘Death of Autotune’ because he can’t do them. Lil Wayne embraced it and used it to his advantage. Why was Death of the Autotune even needed. You do you, and let them do them, but see, that was taking food from Jay’s mouth because his style is talking and he didn’t sound good the one time he tried to autotune. You don’t hear Nas talking about kill the autotune or the swagger rap…Nas does him…lets dudes do them. same with Lil Wayne, LL, etc. Now super laid back jay is jumping around in Otis like Lil Wayne, when he first entered, he was laid back like Biggie…
I like Jay but don’t act like he’s the greatest. He’s definitely ONE of the greatest.
None of those rappers have been as consistent as Jay has. Being consistent is more than just putting out albums. Its putting out good music. LL fell off for a looooong time (maybe because he was focused on tv and movies). Lil Wayne started weak and poppish, gained strength but has shown with C4 that he plateaued. Tupac maybe couldve been consistent but hes been dead for 15+ years! Too short?
Eminem is by far the best lyricist alive (and dead IMO) but his music doesnt have the flow or style of Jay-Z. Nas is horribly inconsistent (1 hot album every 10 year average, remember?). And people like to forget the whole Braveheart period. Nas is hit or miss which is why Jay will always be considered better than him.
you’re quoting jay-z on nas albums while they are battling…go back and listen to Nas albums. they were head and toes above others, they just weren’t on the level of illmatic. That’s just like Jay’s albums not coming close to the Black album. The only person who consistently put out great albums right after each other was Biggie (i’m sure there are more, but i mean had no fall off from album to album). I can’t even say that about pac because he had to taylor his albums to let other Deathrow or thug life folks get verses which hurt his albums. Too Short has been around for a while and getting record sales. I don’t feel his simple flow personally but he’s been there. If you want to go there then you have to say 50 is the greatest of all times because he consistently gets radio push and radio sales, so that’s why i included these folks. Two short may get most of his love in Cali so I can see why the ‘?’ was included but he’s been doing it for a long time.
Jay the GOAT ?????????????? And he continues to bite lines of other rappers !!! GOAT my ass !
Em got better flow than Jay.
Albums ok. 3.5 to 4. I’m not hater like Jay fans are so i’ll give him his due. But when you have these two colabing, you have to be disappointed with the output. This isn’t in any form the greatest current colab…it comes no where near the nas/marley album.
I’ve spun WTT, I’ve spun RED, I’ve spun C4 and the only one I can listen to from first track to last is RED. It has a coherence that the other 2 albums lack (they aint whack but they just don’t have the same listenability). People hate on Game for his features. Wayne got plenty of those on C4. WTT was made by 2 dudes. So people stop hating. All these albums are keeping hip hop alive. I know you’re not thinking the New Boyz or Kreayshawn are doing that. come on now
Too many fillers in the middle of RED.
Should have removed some RnB assisted tracks.
couldnt agree with geee more. More purp and patron type shit. R&B aint game.
no church for the wild sound like some pink floyd shit crazy track.
some people dont like the tracks talking about problems with people of color in america that REAL shit they just simply dont want to hear it so they call the album trash they dont want a rapper talking about racial problems and being a better father.on the flip side of that they dont want to listen to two black men spend money they worked hard for and they not bragging to the fans about there wealth rappers ALWAYS try to show EACHOTHER up when they talk about shit they do or own your fav rapper does this also but just because its jay-z and kanye they hate because they really got that bread.how many times have you seen a rapper get in trouble for not paying the dealership for the car or having to rent or return the jewewlry they be rockin and we all clowned them but we hate on jay thats crazy.5 STARS DELUXE VERSION GO GET THAT
No we call it trash because Jay Z has rapped for about 10 yrs about his money, his bling, his life, his wife, all that he has, etc..and now at the twilight of his career is all of a sudden conscious?!? See Jay-Z has changed throughout his career using the newest fades (stole Snoop Dogs…for shizel, my nizel h-to the izzo..for shizel my nizel – he sounded terrible using Autotune so he tried to kill it), he’s stolen Biggie’s life and lyrics, used the current hot rappers – from a hot Juvenile to Nas, etc. and we allow that because he’s makes it new and better, but don’t play with conscious rap. Conscious rap is the one last great thing that carries a message to black folk. Most rappers preach black genocide…drink, go kill ya fellow black man, sell dope, etc. Many millions ago, Jay could have tried to spread a good word, but when he decides to do it because he knows folks are tired of him talking about his money and he uses conscious rap as his new fade, folk, that’s a no-no.
Roc-A-Fella, students of the game,
we passed the classes
Nobody could read you dudes like we do
Don’t let ’em gas you like Jigga is ass and won’t clap you
Trust me on this one – I’ll detach you
Mind from spirit, body from soul
They’ll have to hold a mass, put your body in a hole
No, you’re not on my level get your brakes tweaked
I sold what ya whole album sold in my first week
You guys don’t want it with Hov’
Ask GAME, he don’t want it with Hov’, nooooo!
I know you missin all the – FAAAAAAAME!
But along with celebrity comes bout seventy shots to your brain
Nigga; you a – LAAAAAAAME!
Youse the fag model for HURRICANE,ads
Went from,THE GAME to L.A.’s trash
Had a spark when you started but now you’re just garbage
Fell from top ten to not mentioned at all
to your MENTORS VERSE’s on “DRUG TEST” was better than yours
Matter fact you had the worst flow on the whole fuckin song
but I know – the sun don’t shine, then son don’t shine
That’s why your – LAAAAAAAME! – career come to a end
There’s only so long fake thugs can pretend
Nigga; you ain’t live it you witnessed it from your folks pad
You scribbled in your notepad and created your life
smarten up “GAME”
Four albums in ten years nigga? I could divide
That’s one every let’s say two, two of them shits was due
One was – NAHHH, the other was
“the documentry”
That’s a one hot album every ten year average
And that’s so – LAAAAAAAME! Nigga switch up your flow
Your shit is garbage, but you try and kick knowledge?
(Get the fuck outta here) You niggaz gon’ learn to respect the king
Don’t be the next contestant on that Summer Jam screen
Because you know who (who) did you know what (what)
with you know who (yeah) but just keep that between me and you for now
A wise man told me don’t argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can’t tell who is who
So stop with that childish shit, nigga I’m grown
Please leave it alone – don’t throw rocks at the throne
Do not bark up that tree, that tree will fall on you
I don’t know why your advisors ain’t forewarn you
Please, not Jay, he’s, not for play
I don’t slack a minute, all that thug rappin and gimmicks
I will end it, all that yappin be finished
You are not deep, you made your bed now sleep
Don’t make me expose to them folks that don’t know you
Nigga I know you well, all the stolen jew-els
Twinkletoes have a “CHANGE OF HEART”
You can’t fuck with me – go play somewhere, I’m busy
And for “lil wayne” throwin shots at Jigga
You only get half a bar – fuck fuck yo nigga
R.O.C., we runnin this rap shit
ME and YEEZY, we runnin this rap shit
J.COLE, we run this rap shit
Get zipped up in plastic when it happens that’s it
Horrible
Ass
Music
This shit was so disappointing.
album is great! Loved it, and why the fuck are ppl expecting the most amazing shit all the time every time? I mean yea they’re the kings of hip-hop but nobody’s perfect man.
Kings ???? Huh ????????????????????????????????????
I feel it was a lil overrated.I want the old Jay-Z back.I understand the in order to grow you have to leave certain things behind.Now when you stop doing what brought you to the four front,it’s not always a good look.Take Chris tucker for exaple,i can respect what he did as far as not doing certain things like cursing,but that’s what got you to where u are no.You dont have to dumb down to progress,just make different examples.Sorry jay and ye,im not to impressed.
lift off sucks. prolly coz it was written by bruno mars. ayo tyler if u dont manage to stab that muhfukka holla at me man.
but other than that i can hear the whole thing widout skippin anything. 4.5/5
Really disappointed w/ this album, only a handful of tracks are on playback, imo, & iz it just me, but Swizzy’s hook on “welcome 2 the jungle” iz B/S..but i guess thas how Swizz duz his hooks..haha
should have only got 2.0 cd suck jay z n kayne both shyt waaaay overrated both of em
Give me a song on R.E.D. Album or The Carter IV, That Has Substance? I’ll Wait!!! Just Listen to the words, and not the beats and you will see that they are SPITTIN some Dope lyrics!!!
Ricky,The city,Born in the trap>>>>>WTT
classic!! the more i hear carter 4 the more i am convinced!!
Production lyrics flow delivery and hooks all dissapointing from the 6 or so tracks i’ve heard. It’s not bad but for Jay… Where’s Reasonable Doubt/American Gangster Jay? Prob like a 6.5/10
i dont like jayz or kanye but watch the throne is way better than Tha carter 4 and thats saying alot becuz watch the throne wasnt even that good either . Lil wayne is just terrible at rappin and Tha carter 4 proved he is overrated , i feel sorry for the idiots who bought the album
album was sick your an idiot blunt blowin
mane y’all fans/critics r wayyyyy 2 critical of every song n hip hop,its jus muzik!!!!!!!! but i understand wen u pay yo hard earned cash & it doesn’t live up 2 da level it said it wood,da carter 4 shud b compared 2 all other lil wayne albums & jay & kanye accordingly & substance is wateva da artist & fan wit a open mind call it,everybody dnt wnt a damn lecture wen dey listen 2 muzik….http://www.youtube.com/user/Darealkingrichard?feature=mhee
gud muzik no bull….http://www.youtube.com/user/Darealkingrichard?feature=mhee
Time to end this G.O.A.T. foolishness.
In this constant debate about Jay-Z being the best ever I read things like “Nas will destroy Jay-Z” or “Eminem got a better flow than Jay”
Those are OPINIONS.
When will you fools learn that you can’t win a debate with OPINIONS. Every rapper has a different style based on where they are from, the time period in which they were most successful, and their unique personality. We all can go on for days about our personal preferences but in a debate criteria like this is completely IRRELEVANT and automatically BIASED.
The only way to win a debate is with cold hard FACTS. And the fact of the matter is that, when you weigh all of the tangible criteria (Sales, Critical Acclaim, Consistency, Longevity, and Impact) Jay-Z makes the strongest case for the G.O.A.T.
Eminem has sold nearly twice as much as Jay-Z, and he is Jay’s equal when it comes to longevity and impact. But Em lacks the consistency or critical acclaim that Jay-Z has (Im not talkin cult/fanboy classics, Im talkin CERTIFIED classics. XXL/Rolling Stone/Source approved) Eminem is VERY close though.
Nas has enjoyed more critical acclaim and more overall respect in the hip-hop community through the years. And he’s definitely equal to Jay with longevity and impact. But he hasn’t been no where near as much of a consistent presence in hip-hop as Jay has. And he is obviously lacking in the sales department.
Lil Wayne just may be the most consistent rapper of all time. He’s no slouch when it comes to longevity and impact either. His glaring flaw? In his 12 year career Lil Wayne has yet to drop a truly critically acclaimed classic album (and it can be done in this climate. just look at kanye’s discography). Also, contrary to popular beleif, Wayne lacks in the sales department. Sure, Tha Carter III and IV are blockbuster albums, but his OVERALL sales of 10 mil US pale in comparison to Jay-Z’s 31 mil.
2pac is a touchy subject. When it comes to impact, pac takes the cake. No other rapper touched the world like 2pac did. He, like Em, has also sold more than Jay and he was very consistent in his time. Sadly, 2pac passed before his time which allowed Jay-Z to surpass him in longevity and critical acclaim.
LL Cool J was the prototype for what a G.O.A.T. could be. He has enjoyed the most longevity, and he was fairly consistent, but his sales, acclaim and overall impact are no where near the likes of 2pac, Eminem, and ofcourse Jay-Z.
Biggie, Rakim, Common, Snoop, the list goes on. All of these MC’s are great but none of them have the total G.O.A.T. package like Jay-Z does.
Jay-Z is the 3rd highest selling rapper of all time, and the richest. He’s one of the most acclaimed (perhaps only rivaled by his boy Kanye). He dropped multi-platinum albums YEARLY from 96′-03′, and he is still going strong today. He’s been in the game since 88′. He’s impacted hip-hop in countless ways from starting one of the 1st successful MC-owned record labels, to being the 1st non-athlete with a signature shoe, to surpassing the likes of Elvis with #1 albums.
Jay-Z is without question the Greatest MC Of All Time. Period. You don’t have to listen to him everyday (Im currently on my Kendrick wave). You don’t even have to like him. But for goodness sake, RESPECT THE FACTS.
i so agree
agreed. can’t argue with the facts. if you don’t at least respect Hov as a top 5 all time MC, then you’re delusional.
Jay Z Consistent????? WTF??
DID yu hear the Blueprint 3? other than DOA and Empire State of Mind the album was GARBAGE.
-In My Lifetime vol 1, The Dynasty and Blueprint2 are also kinda mediocre and the critics think the same.
and Recovery > Blueprint 3. It was better critically and financially, and other than the stupid rhianna single Em’s rhymes were just as good as his older works. You can not say that Jay-Z is consistent with his rhymes and his flow is not even near as complex or difficult as Em’s. You also have to look at international appeal. Eminem’s fan base internationally is WAY bigger than Jay-Z’s. In America its a close race for who has the most impact but every where else in the world its not even a contest. The only thing Jay has on Em is the fact that he has been doing it since 96
lmao “source approved” i stopped reading there.
Smh your still missing the point. Your still talking OPINION. YOU think BP3 is garbage. YOU think Ems flow is more complex. That doesnt have anything to do with anything. Dude gave props for Ems sales and impact but Jay-Z has em beat when it comes to Criticall acclaim, Consitency, and Longevity.
Consistency is not a argument of quality. Its an argument of who put in the most work during their time and Jay-Z put in way more work than Em. If you wanna talk quality, Jay-Z has 3 certified classic albums. Em has 1.
Based off of your Criteria, the greatest Hip-Hop acts of all time are as follows (groups include members solo careers):
1)Jay-Z
2)2pac
3)Eminem
4)Nas
5)Wu-Tang Clan
6)Kanye West
7)Lil’ Wayne
8)Snoop Dogg
9)OutKast
10)The Notorious B.I.G.
11)LL Cool J
12)Run-DMC
13)Ludacris
14)Common
15)Rakim
Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint, The Black Album, American Gangster >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, The Eminem Show, Recovery
Jay-Z’s best albums shit on Eminem’s best albums
I don’t agree with Jay being the G.O.A.T.
Top 10, most definitely.
Top 5, sure
Top 3….depends if you like Nas better.
But THE guy? NO.
Sales-wise (since everyone defines that as “success” in the rap game), 2Pac eclipses Jay time almost three at this point.
Album wise, “Me Against the World” is better than Jay’s best album, which at this point is “Reasonable Doubt”
As for B.I.G., we all know that both of Biggie living albums (Ready to Die and Life After Death) completely outdo ANY of Jay’s catalouge. B.I.G.’s flow, delivery, and subject were better and more diverse as well.
At this point, the BEST Jay can be is #3.
@Mystery Brown
I understand your point w/ 2pac, but seriously are we still making the case for Biggie being better than Jay-Z? Or Nas, Eminem, or any of the greats who have been putting in work for the last decade since Big died?
C’mon son. We all loved Big. But his two albums won’t carry him forever. Like what at this point other than the “death factor” makes him a better contender for the throne than Jay-Z?
I’d say all around their debut albums are on par with each other. Lyrically, Ready to Die is INFERIOR to Reasonable Doubt. But I’ll give it to Ready to Die for Big having the better flow at the time and the better production and singles.
Other than that, all Big has is Life After Death. And I’m sorry but there is no way in hell that Life After Death eclipses Jay-Z’s entire catalouge. It just doesn’t make any logical sense. Maybe, IN YOUR OPINION, Life After Death is better than any Jay-Z album individually. But even on that basis, the “Ready to Die is better than The Blueprint” arguement loses steam when Jay-Z has at least three albums that are just as good waiting to be tagged in.
Even when Big was alive he was no where near as consistent as Jay-Z. It took him 3 years to follow up ready to die. When Big dropped his 1st album, it was 2 years b4 Jay even came out. But by the time he died, Jay was already gearing up his second.
In 2011, I think its safe to say that Jay-Z had a better run than The Notorious B.I.G.; and with new contenders entering the arena every year, the best BIG can get is a permanent top 10 slot. Top 5 is pushing it, and top 3 is mathematically impossible.
Biggie did Junior Mafia in 95…
WACK!
Great Album 5/5. Good production and lyrics. Nice to have a good hip-hop album in the mainstream instead of all that pop shit that’s been out lately.
its ppl on here talkin abt they only played six tracks..fuc u reviewin the album for?..u know nothin..and the GREAT IS EMINEM BETTER THAN JAY debate only happens on TV and the INTERNET..nobody is havin that debate and all i know is music heads..THE GAme album is not even in the debate for best album of the yr..yall gotta either be from the west coast or work for there record labels..Carter 4 is cool..its decent..definitely playable..but classic..no..WAtch the Throne is tearing car speakers and clubs up tho..that speaks for itself…and as far as Jay bein goat..that is what history will write..its dudes on here talkin abt Eminem is even close to Jay’s consistency..u r delusional..Em too half of the decade off..Jay dropped three albums during his retirement?(03-06)..and numerous hits..and then dropped three more albums after that..one(American Gangster) a certified classic..i fuckn hate the opinion of Eminem runnin rap..this has never been true..fuck his sales..his substance doesnt exist and his hits?oh my god..they dont exist..no club or person in Chicago has opened an Eminem album since the yr 2000..i stand on it..this is some media-created shit..now take that to your illuminati board that yall think Jay apart of so much..Eminem got a machine behind him because all the chicks i know will walk out of a room an Eminem record is played in..They buy tickets to Jay and Kanye and Wayne concerts tho..real talk
GTFOH wit ur hate for Em. He’s better than Jay. Hang Yourself !
Hey man keep tellin these fools the truth….Em is a nice lyrical emcee but he’s just over exposed….ppl dont understand all this who better than who stuff is BS….I’m not hating on Eminem at all but i dont understand how he is the king of hip hop…maybe the king of lyricists….ppl gotta understand when you talk about Jay u talkin about hip hop as a culture…when u talkin about eminem u talkin about jus skills…all this comparison stuff is pointless cuz its nothin more than opinions
EMINEM KILLED GAY-Z ON RENEGADE……HE EVEN SAID IT…..THIS ALBUM SUCKS…KAYNE IS GAY-Z CRUTCH…..WITHOUT HIM HE WOULD NOT BE EVEN TALKED ABOUT RIGHT NOW….
thats where a fan goes wrong while you hate on one rapper my bad in this case 2 mc’s you dont notice that when they do a song together its because they love each others music.they rapped about whats wrong with america from a black and white view but also let you know color aint shit but you cant see that with hate
THATS WAS EMEINEM SONG ALREADY BUT EMINIEM WANTED TO GET ON THE BLUEPRINT BUT JAY WAS ON A DEADLINE SO THEY DIDNT HAVE TIME TO GET IN THE STUDIO TOGETHER SO JAY JUST MAILED HIS VERSE IN AND STILL KILLED IT
stupid pussy like jay-z aint one of the main reasons kanyes shining like he is to day go suck a dick
@Anonymous2
Eminem wanted to get on Blueprint ????? Or Jay wanted Em on blueprint ???? WTF. Em is not that stupid to give a classic song like renegade to Jay, because he wants to be on his album. Renegade was suppose to be on Royce’s Roc City album or MMLP. Jay begged his ass out for Eminem to be on blueprint !
damn good
best album to come out this summer, yes and thats including fuckin c4 and the red album. 4.5 stars. swag, black power and unique’ness
Kayne is good on this album but camel face Jayz fucking blows, i think this album is not better than Carter 4 and the RED album!!! This is not worth buying the whole album cause there is like 4 good tracks so download this crap, i give it 3 out of 5!
trash!!!
thank you! this album was no way the best of 2011 definitley one of the worst
I really wanted to talk shit about this album…and for the most part I dig both rappers. Just all the overhype and the egos. In the end though I couldn’t deny it. The cd is sick. Production really shines! Although I feel like Kanye’s getting lazier with every verse.
black power stand up fuck the haters
Hip Hop album of 2011
you are now watchin the throne
Disappointed.
Jay has completely lost his consistency and ‘Ye was a little weak with the rhymes. Who Gon Stop Me, Niggas In Paris and The Joy are probably the best tracks on the album.
Some of the other tracks make you do a sideways “wtf” look like “Made In America” especially…this track is softer than baby legs yo.. what made them put this garbage on the album? A weird mix of R&B, Rap and Folk music..
Weak ass album from dudes who could have done MUCH BETTER.
get the fuck outta here wid your lil pussy hole picture
dumb nigga
ITHK THIS IS GOOD BUT JAY HAVE DONE BETTER,ITS DIFF. FROM WHATS OUT THERE. FOR YA HATERZ YA MIGHT NEED TO LISTEN TO IT MORE THAN ONCE ITS REALLY NOT BAD TO ME ITS MORE THAN AVERAGE AND BETTER THAN MOST OUT THERE
This album is tight
Bämm
jigga ur an inspiration. ye is the future of hip hop. this and bad meets evil are my fav albums of the year! hands down. thank you for the music
Bad Meets Evil is better than this crap !
hahah^^^funny this the REAL ALBUM OF THE YEAR
WTT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ANY ALBUM 2011
Album was what was expected and was more than a jewel on both artists polished careers
I actually think this album would’ve been better a couple years ago before ye started harmonizing on that autotune machine, but i admit its still a good album and its worth a good listen. If u like hip hop u should be able to get some positive music from this album. My favorite songs r mostly the ones wit samples, u know ye iz a monster when it comes to that. Not really feelin your boi frank ocean harmonizing fuckin up good tracks especially that made in america track. My ears were really hurtin after hearin that joint. O sweet baby jesus… Nigga shut the fuck up please ur killing me. I’m not even gonna get into that lift off shit that has no reason being on anybodys album smh. My favorite joint was new day. Nice smooth joint produced by the rza where hov and ye spit some real shit. Primetime is dope and everyother joint one there is good. Some songs like why i love u and welcome to the jungle felt like jays songs and songs like murder to excellence and thats my bitch felt like kanye songs. Hell the sequel is a little better but i think this album deserves a 3.75 but thats just my opinion
Super dope. Not over rated at all. Quality you’d expect from Jay and Ye’
The majority of hate for this album comes from it’s lyrical content which is mostly braggadocios and don’t it say something that people are mostly hating on their success? Come on son.
That Shit Crey
i originally hated on this album because in comparison to MBDTF its complete garbage. but as a stand alone in a cold listening its a solid release. I’ll listen to Kanye spit anytime, JayZ i could do without
Whats MBDTF???
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
Is it legal to add “Trade Line Accounts” or aged Credit Accounts to your Credit Report in order to raise your FICO score and if not way are there companies advertising to add Trade Lines to your credit report will rase your FICO score 200 points in 30-45 days.
Full Fathom Five
TOP 3 ALBUMS FOR 2011
FUCK ALL U BITCH ASS BROKE PUSSY ASS HATERS THIS IS THE BEST ALBUM PERIOD!!! KANYE WEST WENT HARD AND JAY Z IS THE BEST RAPPER ALIVE FUCK LIL WAYNE GAY ASS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upV8L8GXgR8 listen to my remix, thanks
This and bad meets evil pure win! HAM and niggas in paris best songs on album the rest are okay too.
Ima keep on sayin what i been said since August….Watch The Throne is a Top 10 Album in Hip-Hop..so far My Favorite of all the time. Ive been waitin for this since 04 cuz i knew Kanye n Jay was a team not to be messed with. Fast forward to now. Both Rap Superstars are still great and still got great rhymes for many yrs to come. Watch The Throne has NO disappointin songs. All of em stand out to Greatness especially Murder To Excellence. No one understands the message in that song about Black Struggle. Everything from beginning to end is great. This would be The Best Album of 2011. 2nd=J.Cole—Cole World 3rd=Bad Meets Evil–Hell:The Sequel 4th= Game–RED 5th=Lupe Fiasco—LASERS….Drake’s Take Care album was good but is more of an R&B pitched album of which i didnt expect from Drake since ppl praise him a lot (idk why…he aint hard….he played a dickhead retard in a wheelchair for Christ’s sakes)….and last but not least Lil Wayne…Tha Carter IV is THE WORST ALBUM OF 2011…..Wayne is NOT the Best Rapper Period. Anyone who believes it dont know hip hop better yet great music. Sure tha carter ii n maybe iii were classic but its somethin about wayne that either he got raped in prison got so much money or both that made him in Tha Carter IV sound very random n very annoying. The Beats sounds good but then when u add him in ANY song now he refers to Life as a bitch. And all he talks about is Sex Money n the Hoes he be with (ex Lauren London). Lets face it: Wayne’s Tha Carter IV is like 50 Cents Curtis…after this Wayne wont be the top rapper (as what yall hardkore fake YMCMB fans believe)…i say this is the start and the fall of YMCMB n provin once again that Jay-Z still is a Hustler n makes great music and Eminem is n always has been the Best period of our generation. Overall…Watch The Throne is a Classic and The Best of 2011.
Nice review. I agree absolutely with everything you say…
Ur profile picture already shows are #GheyAsFuck. Stop dickriding this two homos. The album is average
Classic ??? ROFL!!!
Great album! Can’t say enough 🙂
great album
watch the throne 2 please
great album
Awesome album displaying two great artists bouncing off each other
Best album of 2011
Fuckin’ classic!!! 5/5
Real shit! 5 stars…
Best album of 2011, great beats & great lyrics from that veterans duo…
straight trash
RACKS ON RACKS ON RACKS, MAYBACHS ON BACHS ON BACHS ON BACHS ON BACHS
Best duo rap album all time. Love Em, but Royce and him was not even close. Watch The Throne Tour was unbelievable extravaganza.
ummm?
what about Paid in Full??
HELLO
If you focus more on the purpose than the music, youll like it.. it definately has the best album cover !
Best album of 2011.
most overrated album ever
tight album!!
The Hustler & The Ego. who can do it better
Watch The Throne is the result of two rappers with over 30 years of experience between them crafting a true masterpeice.
Best album ever
the ultimate rap album
luxury rap!
luxury rap
luxury
one of the bests of 2011
overrated as f*ck, average user rating says it all
5/5
Watch the Throne is a truly underrated hip-hop album. This is everything you could want from two of hip-hop’s biggest legends. The sound and beats on this album are sub par as well as it being very lyrical. Close to an underrated classic in the long run. 4/5