President Barack Obama enjoyed a boost from the Hip Hop community during his 2008 presidential campaign, and has long been linked with Jay-Z, as well as other Hip Hop artists.
Prior to a pair of fundraisers, an interviewer for theatlantic.com managed to ask the President which emcee from The Throne he prefers: Kanye West or Jay-Z.
“Jay-Z,” replied the President, before adding, “Although I like Kanye. He’s a Chicago guy. Smart. He’s very talented.”
“Even though you called him a jackass?” asked the interviewer, citing a 2009 incident in which the President was caught on camera having some harsh words for Kanye after he took the spotlight from Taylor Swift at the MTV Video Music Awards.
“He is a jackass,” retorted Obama, who added with a wink, “But he’s talented.”
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Great, we have our fucking president talking about rap. Real professional. Gas prices have doubled since he took office and the job market has somehow gotten worse, but this is all a big joke to the president. I hope he continues to enjoy going on ESPN and Jay Leno…what a joke.
OMG! I know right! cause he shouldnt talk to anyone about anything until the world is a eutopia! how dare he answer questions or have a personality! how dare he smile! how dare he breath!! Real professional obama!! no other president ever did that!! -_-
Get a grip bro. You’re embarrassing yourself.
But seriously what president comments on rap and two shouldn’t he be worrying about the economy.
You need to shut the fuck up and let me answer whatever questions I want to answer
RAAAAAAAAAANDY is right. I mean he was asked about jayz and kanye by a reporter and you cant expect anyone to only talk about their job and never have fun. I want my president having some fun and all. Can you imagine the stress of the job with half the country liking u and half hating u and being judged on every move you make. Let the man have some fun it helps the stress and can do a better job. Your republicans idiots if you think he cant talk about anything but his job
He was asked a question you white prick. What do you want him to do, ignore it? Being president doesn’t mean talking about the economy every second of every day. He’s a human being just like anyone else. Stop complaining.
doubled? where did you live that in 2008 the gas was 2.00 a gallon? come on now. i don’t agree with how he’s handled things but if someone asked you a question while you were at work would you say “sorry sir, i’ll only answer work related questions.” come on now.
Look dumbass the prez don’t control prices and no matter how you cut it when it gets hotter gas prices go up more travel . And so what he’s talking hip hop , he still human and better having him than George bush the man who put us in two wars and yes I served and spent our money crazy and let contracting out of controll and yes I contract so chill out
i hope kanye west would reply although unlikely.it will be interesting what he has got say.
http://www.mixdem.com
Do your homework on him and the economy cause I know you haven’t.
blaze:
But seriously what president comments on rap and two shouldn’t he be worrying about the economy.
^ f*****g clown
Bush ran the world from his ranch, Clinton played sax on SNL and TV while getting brain from random broads, Carter grew peanuts and Teddy Roosevelt hunted bears while being president. But yeah, Barry’s the worst.
Bitch
He was asked the question by an interviewer you dimwit, he didn’t write it into his speech at a press conference as one of his burning issues.
idk y yall think that he has to be working 24/7 , damn can he not relax for like 5 min and answer a couple questions?
So do i everyone including Kanye know his a arrogant jackass
Based on Jay-Z’s disography, he is the most overrated rapper in the game.
You’re fucking retarded, the GOAT can’t be overrated.
So he cant be overrated cuz YOU think hes the GOAT? Fucking idiot.
very true, jay z is aight but cmon he has no versatilty when it comes to flow and the type of songs he can put out. Can J put out a song like slippin by DMX, no way. Can J make club bangers on his own, nope. He has one flow and he gets away with it
Jay has one of the most versatile flows ever and his wordplay is unmatched. You bitches only hear what you want to hear. Suck Nas overrated cock instead of worrying about the GOAT.
Why bring up Nas? Not everyone who dislikes Jay likes Nas. Get off Nas’ dick. If anyone is overrated, it’s Jay-Z. He has some clever one liners but the dude has nothing to rap about…Every album is about money and how great he thinks he is. I think all that talk about his “greatness” has brainwashed a lot of people, such as yourself. I wouldn’t put Jay-Z in my top 20…Maybe top 50..rappers.
Kanye West is like a minstrel show now that he’s chasing after Kardashians, the hood and the rest of the community disowned that nigga years ago…
what hood you from? we still deal with kanye around here. he’s way too real. you might not like his music but he’s a real nigga. yes, i live in fort myers florida i know you were wondering.
we listen to kanye around here in chi-town idk were u from
lol florida has only one hip hop artist, and i aint talmbout ace hood, but celph titled. and its normal for niggas to back up they boy, so it’s no big deal if he got supporters in chi. your two opinions are irrelevant
I agree with the general coon allegation.
However – that FOI shit is played. Unless he actually marries this bitch – I’ll let him slide.
(like Michael with the first kid)
I rock Kanye out here too.
South London, UK – encase u were wondering.
ppl still skimmin through the music
Jay admits he dumbs down his lyrics. We all know he is capable of deep stuff, but after
he’s dumbed down a few albums, he can’t be
considered anything great. He’s alot to do
with what is wrong with Hip-Hop. He likes
to think of his audience as an
unintelligent crowd
The Jay hate is out of control again.
he hasnt put put anything memorable to me since big pimpin and the song with jermaine dupri.
dude is mad forgettable.
Jay-z is responsible for lack of good hip hop now? Thats bs if anything its artists like lil wayne. I think jay-z does a good job of satisfying both hip hop fans and pop fans without completely selling out, like snoop dogg has
Jay-z First album reasonable doubt is one the greatest albums of all time i mean lyrically wise he was ahead of his time people didnt catch on to it people like popcorn simple shit Jay-z is one of the best to do it
check out Fred Da Godson, that reminds me of Jay back in the days with all the slick punch lines and wordplay……ALL DAY!!!!
The lyrics on AG alone should put Jay into the Top 5 by default.
Agreed
JAY WILL ALWAYS BE BEHIND BIG SO HE CAN NEVER BE THE BEST
AS FOR KANYE… HES A DUDE THAT THINKS HES BETTER THAN HE ACTUALLY IS, HES CORNY
ahhh Obama glad you’re back on my dick, I ain’t seen you since 08
but for real, if that mormon Mitt Romney wins it will be the end of the world so Go Obama
how does this article even deserve a post!? lol
Not black are you, Ryan?
LMAO “He is a jackass”…He didn’t even try to dance around that like a politician. Obama’s my guy!
Ya kno wat time it iz, I’m Kim Jungeun aka King of North Korea.
Ya heard, the missile boomed in the sky .. by the way, ay Obama
You listen to music while I plan to kick ya ass huh?
WE DICKRIDING HARD OUT HERE, OBAMA LIKES JAY Z MORE THAN LIL WAYNE? LOOKS LIKE I’M VOTING FOR ANOTHER RICH ASS WHITE DUDE. THAT’S CAUSE I’M A STRAIGHT GROUPIE BITCH.
you get really annoying with this…. I know your playing but why do you waste your entire day posting these pointless comments
A very sad day if the president of the states is talking about hiphop. Why does he like jayz, jay only raps about money and other bullshit
lmao. your whole life revolves around money. only losers speak like you.
Nothing wrong with Money.
It’s losers and junkie that suck the crack from lips in a repeated fashion.
It’s creeps me out.
If Biggie would still live Jay Z was working at mc donalds.
That is so inaccurate, ha. Jigga was already catching fame by the time Biggie was hot.
Actually Emmanuel… Jay-Z didn’t rise to fame until he dropped Hard Knock Life.. after Biggie was dead… Jay-Z was no more than a hanger on when Biggie was doing his thing….
No Emmanuel is right. Jay was already buildin his buzz. He was with Jaz and kind of like a hype man for Big Daddy Kane before BIGs death.
And how many hypemen/sidekicks can you name that made it out of that role?…….
Lol. Not many flavor flav was hypeman for public enemy and he got his reality fame but that shit don’t count in hip hop hypemans. But when jay was first startin out he took advantage of Big Daddy Kanes concerts to build his name up. But he wasn’t the official hypeman for kane. Its like when you got to a concert and the other performers come out before the headliner. That’s what jay was before he blew up.
tired of this played out “if …was a live…would be working at mcdonalds” shit
if biggie and pac were alive you would called them illuminati sellouts and hate them just as much as you hate jay. you only like them because they are dead.
In the era of BIGGIE and PAC pretty much anyone could sell.
I know.
I was there.
Basically if you were signed you would sell. White people didn’t know the difference they would go the store and say “rap” – and buy whoever the record company sent the store.
Those where the days…. Sorry, one second.
SS: Hello welcome to chucky cheesse…
JAY WAS STUCK IN THE SHADOW OF BIGGIE, NAS, MOBB DEEP AND WU-TANG. SHYHEIM AND AZ HAD MORE OF A BUZZ THAN JAY. EMMANUEL IS FAR FROM BEING RIGHT.
@ETK hell yeah they would. I swear people just hate on whoever anyway
Romney would say something like that….
He only just started listening to hiphop LOL
ROFL hehehe
Everybody saying it’s sad that the President is talking about Hip-Hop. What?!! That shit is DOPE. Would you prefer the president be another 60 year old white dude that has never heard a rap song in his life? I’m ridin’ with Obama. All you fuck heads that talk shit about him are gonna miss him as soon as some other rich white prick who doesnt care about black people is in office for another hundred years. Ungrateful fuck heads…
I bet you any amount of money that within a year of being out of office Obama will be on a Jay-Z track.
Thatd be utterly ridiculous if Obama hopped on a Jay Z track. lmao. However, i do see the brotha rockin’ a goatee and smoking cigars. Chill-mode.
You’re falling for the trap- another corrupt politician, but one who relates to the youth.
“Jay-Z: Hov, yeah … go
Barry: B bububbub b. B bb B bbubbbub b. bbb bubbbb b.
Jay-Z : Sweet.
Barry: B bbububub . bbuubb. bbb ub.
Jay-Z: Un huh
Barry: Bbububububu bub bub bub bbubby b.
Jay-z: I’m on the top of the rock 48, with my mate – he’s 62 on the flop, bububub B is name. ”
2016 is gonna be real
Anon – 99% of them are all fucking corrupt. no point in losing sleep over it. so does “not falling in the trap” mean spend hours bitching about the prez while sitting on your fat ass doing nothing?
I already know every politician is corrupt. You can’t even get into the political game unless you’re willing to adhere to a certain degree of corruption. But with that said, I’d WAAAAAAAAAAY rather have Obama as President than any of these other cocksuckers. At least Obama has some clue of what goes on in the streets. At least Obama isn’t a fuckin’ racist. At least little black kids can look at Obama and feel a sense of pride instead of looking in the back of a history book and seeing nothing but old white faces. If nothing else, Obama is an inspiration. Would you really rather have Mitt Romney representing your country? I didn’t think so.
I broadly agree – but consider this…
Voting for the lesser of two evils is still supporting the system.
Real action is Non-Co-operation…. then all we got to do is find an alternative to capitalism…..
Shouldn’t take long – any ideas??
I feel like I liked Kanyes first 3 albums, but he kinna lost his sanity at one point–and 808 and Heartbreaks & Dark Twisted Fantasy show that. He’s talented no doubt….but I cant listen to that heavy. Too dark.
I feel like I liked Kanyes first few albums, but he kinna lost his sanity at one point–and 808 and Heartbreaks & Dark Twisted Fantasy show that. He’s talented no doubt….but I cant listen to that heavy. Too dark.
I can’t listen to your mother when she’s on her period to be honest.
All these uncle toms worship the devil….real talk!
who gives a shit what you think Obama? Do yo fuckin job, to be a “president”, not a puppet.. understand what im talkin? nah u are too busy dancing front of the cameras, singing and entertaining people from real problems… fuckouttaheree
Well why don’t you become president, and see how much better you do……….o.O
i agree bro, he’s trash. to busy talkin bs about basketball and rappers instead of handling his job. its ok, his 4 years is about up and he wont be back for another 4.
Young blood you fool.
So Romney Private Equity man – is gona help your hood? Sorry, burb?? (probably will)
Okay cool, well we know where we both stand.
retarded haters only judge by what they see.
if you think that’s all obama does, you’re a damn fool. esp if you think that Romney sumbitch is gonna do any better.
yeah he’s gonna help my hood…your right burb. but whats the black pres done for you? notta damn thing, maybe agree in fav rapper but its easy to see you hungary and broke and atleast you know obama’s done and wont be pres here real soon. things will get better for ya…lol
Obama has keep those nutty Republicans from fucking me in the ass.
OBAMA 2012
OR alternatively pick the far-right candidate, watch hate for america rise throughout the world and witness devils kill your first borns.
Choose wisely
Hate on Jay and justify it with ridiculous reasons = be heralded.
Critique Nas with arguments = be deemed as a hater.
And all because Nas couldn’t take his success to the level of Jay-Z.
Success like Jay-z?? Why does everyone have to be compared to Jay. Nas is a rappers rapper, the last of a dying breed who didn’t forget his rap roots. Jay sold out and makes garbage pop music and follows trends. Nas is successful in his own right!
Sooo we just gone ignore the fact that Nas got on a song with Nicki Minaj , plus his verse was the wackest on it?
^^^I agree. People also forget that jayz is like puffy. They’ll use everyone and step on and over everyone in order to get to where they want, then the will act as though they got to where they are on their own, when you know damn well others helped them get there.
Nas is a very successful rappers rapper. He’s rich, famous, well respected and chooses to put more focus on being an artist and mc. I’m sure Nas has businesses too, but you can tell he enjoys being an emcee who doesn’t just rap about bitches, cars, jewellery and his cash flow.
@L-Boogie may I please refer you to the tracks with Nicki Minaj, Tyga, Lil Wayne, Chris Brown, R. Kelly, will.i.am & Rick Ross? No? Well, how about further back with Nastradamus or The Firm? Still not enough, well how about being married to that chick who did that song “Milkshake”? Yeah he really stayed with his rap roots.
Jay-z fell off, the man hasn’t had a good album since American Gangster.
Bro he fell off since American Gangster? He had ONLY ONE album since!!! Plus the 9 BEFORE THAT ONE. wow. how old are you?
And American Gangster was a shit of an album. Dumbass.
American Gangster was a classic in my opinion and I aint gotta call no body a dumbass jus cus they opinion is different. Thats for imature lil kids to do
Since American Gangster? That was 5 years ago, nigga. He only released one more albm after that. How the fuck can you fall off in only 5 years?
@roger, Ask 50 cent how you can fall off in 50 cent. he may be good money wise, but musically, he fell off like a parapalegic on a bucking donkey.
I actually prefer Kanye over jayz. I do own albums from both artists, but jay isn’t even in my top 10, while Kanye is. I guess we all have our preferences.
That’s what it come down to. Listening preference. I don’t hate on anybody who puts in the work and makes money but their are a lot of these artist I don’t listen to. I listen to jay but its mostly his old shit.
Jay Z: Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim thru it?
Kanye West: Married at the maaaaaaaaaaaaall
*this is bad. real bad. michael jackson*
Way to take a good line from Jay and an awful one from Ye. He has better verses on WTT than that without even mentioning College Dropout, Late Registration, and Graduation.
cuz jay-z is ranked higher in that satanic shit, right??
obama an Z are buddies.
Fred Da Godson is the new Jay as far as eastcoast lyricsm goes!
I asked the audience and I’m gonna go with: B. False
that fat watermelon head sucks balls id rather listen to a riff raff freestyle
President Obama and the rest of the 1% of rich people can have both those sellouts
I cosign that shit
^^^^^^
No, fuck that
Obama ain’t got shit on Jay motherfuckin Z though…
One they are actual friends, two Knaye is a jackass. And for the more important….
a) owns all his masters, (except Reasonable Doubt – see angry Dame)
b) owns 50% of all his touring, merchandise & record label deals (50% Gross profit – distribution, placements, sponsorship through RocNation)
c) Owns 100% of all his artists & former artists masters through publishing companies (Rocafella & StarRoc)
That’s why he Obama’s number one rapper.
Jay is an Owner.
“I show you how to do this son”
an interviewer for theatlantic.com managed to ask the President which emcee from The Throne he prefers: Kanye West or Jay-Z.
“Jay-Z,” replied the President, before adding, “Although I like Kanye. He’s a Chicago guy. Smart. He’s very talented.”
++++++++++++++++++
WHERE DOES IT SAY NUMBER ONE RAPPER BESIDES IN YOUR LITTLE MIND?
YOU CAN’T EVEN NAME ONE SONG OBAMA LIKES SO YOU WENT TO JAY’S PORTFOLIO.
It didn’t, I did…
He clearly is Obama’s favourite rapper – whether he was talking in general or musically or based just WTT – it’s obvious, I assumed… but clearly not to you, child.
I’m not actually obama – I have no idea which songs he fucks with. Clearly “dirt on your shoulder”……
(uncomfortable silence)
Where do they make these kids??
#Anon – U just got ownd!!
Anonymous asked where does it say number one rapper, in Stolen’s mind? You replied yes. You were done from there sir.
LMAO U REACHIN’ B
U ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS, U DON’T KNOW A DAMN THING.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! #FuckKanye
I prefer Lil Wayne to Jay-Z.
I prefer Drake to Kanye West.
YMCMB we run diz shit. swag
I love getting fucked in the ass by Wayne while sucking Drake’s dick!!! Yummy!!!
YMCMB I take diz shit. fag!!
Cousin Icy YMCMB is garbage. The recent flops like Tyga and Nicki prove the label is all hype YMCMB is on it’s on its way down we know your at YMCMB because you like music and getting analed so you YMCMB is well suited for you. I’m sure after YMCMB there will be other labels you can suck dicks.
who cares? Obama ain’t doing shit but fucking up health care and the economy…. evil has all colors just cause he is black doesn’t mean that whitey isn’t behind him telling him what to do….the country is colorblind
Ron Paul 2012
Nigga please
Ron Paul and Gary Johnson real talk fuck the rest.
HAHAHAHAHAHA….
I gotta go with Ye over Jay.
Our president should have more pressing matters than choosing his favorite rapper. Choose your favorite solution on boosting the economy.
CAN U READ? HE DIDN’T CHOOSE A FAVORITE RAPPER, HE STATED WHO HIS PREFERENCE IS OUT OF TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE ALSO A DUO. DO YOU KNOW HOW EASY IT IS TO RESPOND TO A QUESTION WITHIN SECONDS AND KEEP IT MOVING? YOU CLOWNS ACT LIKE THIS WAS A 7 HOUR Q & A.
Right!!! First anonymous is a dumb ass!!
Hey FUCKYOU you know what i say to you?, read your nickname and you’ll knoww it
One day, people are crying about how the media twisted a story for readership and ratings, then the next day these same people participate in a media shenanigan and use their media distorted knowledge of what a president does to say he should get back to work.
Jay-z is a higher level mason…Of Course the president will like him more.
You’re retarded if you think he’s a Mason. Do you even know any Masons? High level Mason? That right there shows you’re full of shit. Every single Mason I know, which is quite a few, are all white. I’ve never even heard of a black Mason although I’m sure there are some out there. I suggest you do your research and know what you’re talking about before opening your mouth.
There are plenty of black masons – of all race – although most are white – however – so fucking what/???
wHAT DO U EXCATLY THINK THEY DO DRINK BLOOD/??
3 of my good friends are Masons and they are black SMH
Its not falling off people its called Retiring have you ever herd of that you get a job work for 20 or 30 years then retire smh in a couple more years it will be 20 years for you young dumb kids since his 1st albulm “Reasonable Doubt” …..Talkin bout falling off after 20 years in the business side and being signed to a label lol wow whats th avg Age of people on this sight
my waiter last night was a mason and hes mexican
Hope and change for 2012
I don’t think you want change (it’s Romney or him.)
People give him shit but tbh why the fuck are interviewers asking stupid ass questions.
Obama probably doesn’t even realize Kanye makes half of Jay’s beats 😛
If thaat were true Brandon, and he did realise …. it would make the slightest difference…. Piussy!
Anonymous, you’re a fucking stupid as fuck!!!
Anon is saying
1) Kanye doesn’t make anywhere close to hlaf Jay’s Beats
2) If he did – and it was a fact- and Obama “realised” this – it wouldn’t actually make the slightest bit of a difference to his answer.
Him and the Carter-Knowles’ are dinner party guests. Clearly he would choose Jay.
I laughed…. Dummy.
who cares what he thinks
I’m officially not voting for Obama because of this.
lol over that shit? yeah let some white republican run the country cause ‘Bama like a nigga you don’t.
if anything you shouldn’t care
cause hes done such an awesome job to vote for him anyways
Prefers means if someone asked him who his favorite rapper was he’d say Jay. This tit for tat stuff isn’t winning you an internship with Hiphopdx. Oh, and Jay and Kanye aren’t a duo. Last time I checked, they did one album together. Suddenly they’re blood brothers?
LOL @ U. I PREFER FISH OVER STEAK, BUT VEAL IS MY FAVORITE.
THE THRONE IS THE COLLABORATION NAME, MAKING THEM A GROUP, A RAP DUO.
YOUR TEACHER FAILED U.
“Jay and Kanye aren’t a duo. Last time I checked, they did one album together. Suddenly they’re blood brothers?”
“which emcee from The Throne he prefers: Kanye West or Jay-Z.”
“Rap royalty Kanye West and Jay-Z have teamed up to form a new group, called The Throne. The duo will showcase their workmanship with a new full-length album, “Watch the Throne,” and a North American tour of the same name.”
^ That was very childish of you to decry “tit for tat” BTW.
I have to agree with President Obama on this one. Kanye West is an jackass/tool/insecure idiot. This shits funny , “george bush doesn’t care about black people”, now how do u feel about Obama calling u a jackass??? lol.
well personally I prefer Kanye over Jay. but I can see why Obama would prefer Jay, he’s a business. no longer a businessman.
Kanye’s pushin musical grounds, but still remains the fact that sometimes he’ll act like a whiny toddler.
LOOOLLLL Why the hell are people getting so angry about. hahah
well think bout what you got up in here. Kanye haters + Jay-Z haters + Obama haters, mix that shit, and it’s gonna make niggas catch feelings
cosign with ETK
I think it’s great that we have a President who is open about being a fan of hip-hop..
Please, like he sitting around listenin to hip hop and shit.
Politicians play whatever might get them more votes. Of course he gonna say Jay, Im sure he gets a nice check from him for the campaign.
he’s lying to you, because people like you fall for it.
people with intelligence call it pandering.
I’ve never been so proud to be an american
really?
youre a huge piece of shit if thats the case
I wonder what he thinks of Dead Prez
Dead Prez is gay.
ETK is gay.
glad I’m getting attention. now take your limp ass and split, suckaniggaaa
I love Obama!
Under Bush I had to have a job to get federal aide to support my 5 children. Now I dont have to have a job and I can get more money from Barry, housing, food stamps & health care!
and I dont have to do a single thing!!
When he gets re-elected in November I’m going to have so much unprotected sex with the first brotha I see so I can have another baby and get more government funding!
Oh I can’t wait!!
Hey whiteboy, more whites receive aid than Blacks. Your dirty uncle raising chickens gets a subsidiary check to keep that farm going, that’s welfare. Now go plank on a bed of butcher knives.
Good job cutting and pasting this from yahoo, Slava.
Youre such an awesome reporter!
Obama’s War On Gibson Guitars Continues Without Charges
It was seven months ago that federal agents with guns drawn raided the Gibson guitar factories in Nashville and Memphis. A half million dollars worth of Indian rosewood and ebony was seized under the premise that it had been imported illegally. The feds also took a number of guitars and computer hard drives. The factory was shut down for the day and employees told to go home.
Yet after all this time, the Department of Justice has shown no sign that it will file criminal charges against Gibson. Whats more it has been almost 3 years since federal agents first raided Gibson (November 2009), seizing a quantity of wood from Madagascar. No decision on criminal charges in that case either.
Eric Holder Silent on New Black Panthers’ Racial Discord
Americans must ask themselves whether Eric Holder and black leaders indeed fear the New Black Panther Party, as they all refuse to condemn their rhetoric and tactics in the last few weeks.
The Trayvon Martin Case is the latest in a long list of incidents into which the New Black Panther Party has injected itself, but nothing has measured up to its latest tactics, which include placing a bounty on George Zimmermans head with the qualifier “dead or alive.”
It would seems to the most independent of observers that U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, in his refusal to condemn this murder of hire scandal, approves the placement of bounties by private citizens on other private citizens. One would not have to wonder, if this had been a group of Americans connected with the Tea Party Movement offering up a bounty on a private citizen, what the reaction of the Justice Department would be.
From the very start of the Obama Administration, it has seemed that Mr. Holder believes and believes in giving a great deal of latitude to the New Black Panther Party, as his department refused to entertain the very thought of prosecuting two members of the Party on charges of voter intimidation after they were video-taped by independent observers standing outside a Philadelphia polling place with billy clubs in hand. One would not need to wonder what Mr. Holder actions would be if a black voter called the Department of Justice and reported an empty police car sitting alongside the road leading to a polling place in Florida; there would be calls for him to launch investigations into voter intimidation from political and media figures.
I also notice that none of the self-appointed black leaders such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton publicly condemned the hate-filled rhetoric and murder-for-hire tactics of the New Black Panther Party, yet they boasted in the past to be the Keepers of the Legacy of Martin Luther King, who actively preached against the very violence that the New Black Panther Party called for in the wake of the Trayvon Martin Shooting and the investigation that lead to the arrest of George Zimmerman. Al Sharpton even boasted about a possible increase in civil disobedience if Mr. Zimmerman was not arrested before the Special Prosecutor had a chance to investigation the case and file charges against him. It would seem that President Obamas calls for civility in the wake of the Gabby Gifford shooting seemed to be lost on his number one ally in the black community in this case.
Americans of all creeds should be concerned about the rhetoric and tactics coming from fringe groups like the New Black Panther Party, who claim its their main objective to use whatever resulting outcome in their tragic trial to foster racial discord. The question that most Americans need to be asking is, Does the Attorney General of our nation fear the New Black Panther Party, or does his silence along with those of the self-appointed black leaders indicate they approve of the group’s rhetoric and tactics?
Kill your self.
A Quick Guide to Florida Homicide for the Trayvon Martin Case
With the Florida State Attorneys Office charging George Zimmerman with second-degree murder for the shooting of Trayvon Martin, Breitbart.com has assembled a quick guide to Florida homicide law and self defense for our readers. Weve taken some complicated legal terms and explained them and tried to break them down so they make sense to non-lawyers.
Heres what youand the jurors on the Martin case will need to know to understand arguments being made under Florida homicide law.
Murder Under Florida Statute:
In Florida, the second-degree homicide statute 782.04 is defined as: the unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life.
When prosecutors explain this to jurors, however, they will have to do so by breaking the law down into what lawyers call elements. A prosecutor must prove every single element of the charge beyond a reasonable doubt. An element is like an ingredient in a recipe. You dont have a chocolate chip cookie if you dont have all the ingredients. You may have the sugar and the cookie dough, but without the chocolate chips, you dont have a chocolate chip cookie.
With murder, the prosecution must prove all of the elements of murder; otherwise they have a killing, but they do not have murder. That means even if they have some elements, but not allthey still dont have a murder conviction. Heres how it all breaks down.
Common Law Murder:
Under British Common Law-thats the basic, original framework for before they are revised-murder is defined as (1) the unlawful killing (2) of a human being (3) with malice. Malice is defined as committing an act (a) purposely, (b) knowingly or (c) recklessly.
First Degree Murder:
When one commits a murder purposely, it is considered first-degree, which, in Florida, is punishable by death. First-degree murder is most commonly referred to as premeditated murder. How long does one have to premeditate a murder for it to be considered first-degree? It could be a split second. If someone were to point a gun at someone and aim it at their heart instead of just shooting quickly, theyre in the premeditation zone.
Second Degree Murder:
When one commits a killing knowingly-meaning that they are acting with a conscious awareness that they are doing something that could end anothers life, then they are committing second degree murder.
When one commits a killing recklessly, they are acting with a conscious disregard for another persons life-or they are acting in a way that could cause a substantial and unjustifiable risk to that person. In Florida, when one commits a killing knowingly or recklessly, he or she can also be charged with second-degree murder, which carries up to life in prison.
Manslaughter in Florida:
Lesser degrees of killings actually include third-degree murder (a special category in Florida, which is rare in other jurisdictions) and manslaughter.
Under British Common Law, Voluntary manslaughter typically involves someone committing an intentional killing, but the charge is reduced from murder to manslaughter because a person has an excuse such as acting in the heat of passion. Acting in the heat of passion usually requires acting within moments of experiencing a shocking event without having time to cool or calm down. Involuntary manslaughter usually involves an unlawful killing committed with negligence.
In Florida, manslaughter can be committed in three different ways: (1) Manslaughter by Act, which is committing an act that was neither excusable nor justified and ultimately resulted in the death of another person, (2) Manslaughter by Procurement, which involves persuading, inducing, or encouraging another person to commit an act that ends up resulting in the death of another person, and (3) Manslaughter by Culpable Negligence, which involves engaging in culpably negligent conduct that leads to the death of another person. In Florida, a manslaughter conviction can carry up to 15 years in prison.
The Burden of Proof:
In Florida, only a grand jury-thats a special panel of citizens convened by the prosecution to decide if charges are appropriate-can enable a prosecutor to file for first degree murder, and its much harder to prove at trial than second-degree. So, often times prosecutors will only charge a defendant with second-degree murder even if they think their actions fall under a first-degree murder theory.
That means the prosecutors theory of the case may or may not involve George Zimmerman premeditating Martins death-or it may merely mean that they think he acted recklessly.
Well find out when prosecutors make their opening statement on the first day of trial and we finally get to hear their theory of the case.
Second degree murder isnt as hard to prove as second degree, but prosecutors still carry whats called the burden of proof, and in criminal law its a very high threshold. The state must prove second degree murder beyond any reasonable doubt. A reasonable doubt must be a doubt that comes from the evidence at trial; it cannot be an imaginary doubt or a doubt based on conjecture.
Justifiable and Excusable Homicide in Florida as an Affirmative Defense:
In the state of Florida under Statute 782.02, a person can justifiably use deadly force when a person is resisting any attempt to murder such person or to commit any felony upon him or upon or in any dwelling house in which such person shall be. That means a person can legally kill another person if they are defending themselves from anothers attempt to murder them. If they are in their own home then they have extra protection and can use deadline force to prevent an intruder from committing any felony upon them. This extra protection in ones home is known as the Castle Doctrine under Florida Statute 776.013.
Under 776.013, a person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in a place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat. According to Florida law, that person has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
When a defendant uses self defense as a defense it is called an affirmative defense. That means the defendant is admitting they committed the act, but they are asserting because of unusual circumstances beyond their control they are innocent of committing a crime.
In this case, the burden of proof is still on the prosecution, but the burden of production (which side must produce evidence) shifts to the defense, and the defense must prove by a preponderance (more likely than not, or by 51% likelihood) that they were in fact acting in self defense as described above.
Sound complicated? The jurors in each murder case must be able to understand all of this law to make a fair decision for the defendant and the interests of the victim and the state.
The Trayvon Martin Case and Florida Law:
The Florida State Attorneys Office has charged George Zimmerman with second-degree murder. Therefore, the prosecutors must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman knowingly or recklessly killed Martin, and they can only prevail if Zimmerman does not successfully assert one of many defenses, the most likely being justifiable or excusable homicide. If, in fact, the prosecutors cannot prove second-degree murder, Florida law allows prosecutors to ask jurors to convict a defendant of a lesser degree killing such as third-degree murder or manslaughter. Either way, prosecutors will have to prove the elements of every offense beyond a reasonable doubt.
Rosen Apologizes … Then Triples Down
Amid a massive backlash from the American public and a stampeding retreat from her supporters, Democratic National Committee adviser Hilary Rosen backtracked from her words about Ann Romney last night on CNN, stating a few moments ago, As a pundit, I know my words on CNN last night were poorly chosen I apologize to Ann Romney. Here’s the complete statement:
Let’s put the faux “war against stay at home moms” to rest once and for all. As a mom I know that raising children is the hardest job there is. As a pundit, I know my words on CNN last night were poorly chosen. In response to Mitt Romney on the campaign trail referring to his wife as a better person to answer questions about women than he is, I was discussing his lack of a record on the plight of women’s financial struggles. Here is my more fulsome view of the issues. As a partner in a firm full of women who work outside of the home as well as stay at home mothers, all with plenty of children, gender equality is not a talking point for me. It is an issue I live every day. I apologize to Ann Romney and anyone else who was offended. Let’s declare peace in this phony war and go back to focus on the substance.
This is not an apology. It is a declaration of war. As I pointed out earlier today, the piece to which Rosen links says that Ann Romney is not an “expert” on women, and essentially makes the claim that she can’t speak for women because she was a stay-at-home mom. She says that gender equality isn’t a talking point for her, but she also deems certain lifestyle choices disqualifying in terms of representing other women. This is no “phony war.” It’s a very real war, started by the left–and they’re only declaring it “phony” now that their true feelings about women with whom they disagree politically are revealed.
The question is whether the Obama campaign and the Democratic National Committee will apologize to Romney, and whether they will fire Rosen over this incident. Rosen has long been associated with the Obama team and the DNC, and her apology means virtually nothing considering that she’s still defending the substance of the comments.
What Obama thinks of 2Pac???
I think he sucks.
I knew it, LOL
Props to Obama
How would Romney answer this one?
who cares
Honestly who cares. Its not like hes shown a liking towards hip-hop. Every time we see him sing he reminds me of Wayne Brady
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lol, you both need hobbies.
Lmfao.. The President just shitted on Kanye AGAIN.. I wonder if he’s going to make a diss track at the president..
This is some boondocks shit, rapper vs president beefing.
Kanye’s totally gonna say somethin about Obama before the end of his 1st term
SICK OF SEEING ALL THESE COMMENTS BEING REMOVED MIGHT AS WELL BLEEP OUT ALL THE FOUR LETTER WORDS AND OFFENSIVE LYRICS ON THE SONG’S YA’LL PUT ON HERE TOO,
PUSSY’S
You heard of SOPA & PIPA? Better read up on it. People linking copyright infringed music and videos are different than a curse word or two in a song.
Music links and flagged keywords aren’t wanted here. Many other sites don’t tolerate it either. You may have to get a real means of promotion like a paid ad/banner or give up, those days of killing the comment sections with your “business” are over.
I’M NOT TALKING BOUT ADVERTISING, COMMENTS TOWARDS OTHER PEOPLE ON HERE AND PERSONAL OPINIONS I’VE SEEN GET TOOK DOWN
This why why Obama is the best president we ever had.
Anon –
Social security shouldn’t be viewed as welfare. It’s their money. They earned it. You made a stereotype about somebody’s uncle. For some, a farm is a business, I.E. the way they feed their kids. Remember to when the recession hit, alot of caucasians who were holding down good jobs, lost them, so it was either take a minimum wage job, which was even hard to get, or get on welfare. This shouldn’t be about race. Millions of people from all backgrounds are affected daily. If anything, blame the government. They don’t provide for the people who really need it, yet continue shelling out for the one’s who never had a Plan B to begin with.
“Remember to when the recession hit, alot of caucasians who were holding down good jobs, lost them, so it was either take a minimum wage job, which was even hard to get, or get on welfare.”
^ Almost HALF of the white households receive benefits. LESS than 25% Black households receive benefits. Hispanics are slightly less than Blacks. Include unemployment. Who’s really getting the handouts and extensions?
Don’t think I missed how you skipped the stereotypical comment I addressed in the 1st place.
It’s obvious now that you are a moderator Anon1, even when I jumped here earlier your comment was posted after I browsed.
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Look up “Obama Song Big Things” or check out the link here but it’s the illest Obama sample flip so far…next I will sample “He’s a Jackass” and turn it into a hit!
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