Tyler, The Creator has opened up about the inspiration behind Odd Future, naming Eminem, JAY-Z and Nas as guiding lights for his former group.

The Grammy-winner appeared on the latest episode of De La Soul‘s Apple Music 1 show Art Official Intelligence Radio this week to celebrate the 35th anniversary of their classic album, 3 Feet High and Rising.

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During the conversation, Tyler reflected on coming of age in the early 2000s and how Roc-A-Fella and Shady Records subconsciously laid the blueprint for his own future rap crew.

“Man, I grew up in the year 2000, I was eight turning nine,” he began. “So I’m looking at like eight, turning nine. So let’s say it’s 2002, 10 turning 11.

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“You’ve got Jay with the whole Roc-A-Fella, you’ve got Shady, Aftermath, you have all these different crews that felt like family. Nas was bringing Queensbridge group like Jungle and them out. N-ggas had this thing. So in my formative years, I’m just watching these crews.”

He added: “And I’m from Los Angeles, so gang culture is already a prevalent thing, but I feel like just the main layer of that is a family-knitted thing like, ‘No, these are my boys, you come with me.'”

Tyler, The Creator went on describe Odd Future — which also counted Earl Sweatshirt, Frank Ocean and Domo Genesis among its ranks, as well as side groups like The Internet — as a collective of “outcasts” who were the “black sheep” of their respective families.

“So when I was making Odd Future, outside of the magazine thing, it just actually felt like family for a bunch of outcasts,” he said. “Everyone in Odd Future was the black sheep of their family. So us coming together and just like, ‘Nah, fuck y’all.’

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“Who’s getting the opportunity first? It’s the person right next to me. It’s the family right next to me. And I was really on that for a while, and a lot of that is just because of growing up with the idea of rap crews.

“I was too young for the Native Tongues, all of that stuff in real time. I had to learn about that as I got older. So seeing people get Roc-A-Fella chains was like, ‘Oh, you’re part of the family.’ So I think just subconsciously emulating the sentiment that they held was easy.”

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Tyler, The Creator also touched on De La Soul’s impact on his creative sensibilities, describing himself as a part of their musical family tree.

“I’m happy to be a branch of the tree that y’all helped grow because you guys are the soil of the shit, actually,” he said. “I’m just a branch off of the tree that’s grown from the soil that you guys have laid down.”