Seeming triggered by her recent profile in Forbes and legal spat with Wild N Out co-star Jessie Woo, Joyner Lucas is laying some serious allegations into his former business consultant Karen Civil.
The independent MC launched a series of tweets on Saturday (September 18), claiming he hired the Live Civil CEO for $60,000 circa 2014 — long before he released his breakout singles, “Ross Capicchioni,” “I’m Not Racist” and the “Will (Remix),” the biographical track that made Will Smith come outta rap retirement last year.
“My son was on the way and you stole 60k from me before I got in the game @KarenCivil,” Joyner Lucas tweeted, attached a business PDF to his accusation. “I hired you as a consultant and below attached was the memo you sent me. I was desperate for help and you knew that. After you was paid you went ghost and didn’t expect me to pop [demon time emoji] here I am.
“After you got the money paid up front, you stopped answering my calls & every time I hit you, you answered the phone with a attitude like I was messing up your day. I sent you hella messages pleading with you to do your job becuz my back was againts the wall. You took advantage.”
Lucas made the same claims in 2016 and even cited Cam’ron’s past beef with Karen Civil as the reason he’s reissuing them today.
“At this time I was afraid to speak up for myself becuz I didn’t want to get blackballed. I had no idea how this industry Shìt works and I ain’t want you to drag my name thru the mud so out of fear i stayed [zipper-face emoji] Until @Mr_Camron spoke up a few years ago on Twitter and then I did.”
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As he dug up old text messages exchanges between the two and accused of her having media leverage, Karen Civil released a statement to The Shade Room, explaining her version of events.
“It’s easy to make broad statements when you aren’t familiar with the backend of the business,” the statement began.
“Subcontractors were paid including Ravenel Agency, PR, local Reps. All parties contracted out on your behalf to execute were paid from the budget alloted. His manager called me to rectify the situation after Joyner made his first claims in which I said we can happily discuss after a public apology was made since he used that same platform to lie about money taken from him. I recorded the call just for future circumstances like this.
Unfortunately he’s now utilizing this moment to amplify and create a social momentum around himself again.
He and I both had separate conversations with Charlamagne [Tha God] this morning where he passed on his phone number so we can have a discussion directly, but instead he took to social.
Nothing was stolen or taken from you.
Unfortunately, certain artist are under the impression they have 24/7 access to you.”
Shortly after the statement was published, Joyner Lucas ripped through the statement, reverting back to the aforementioned vacation as being the ultimate rap business betrayal.
As of press time, a red-hot Clubhouse chat titled “KAREN CIVIL BEEN A FRAUD I tried to tell y’all” is happening with the likes of Joe Budden, Wack 100, Top Dawg Entertainment’s Punch and both Karen Civil and Joyner Lucas in the mix.
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“ He and I both had separate conversations with Charlamagne [Tha God] this morning where he passed on his phone number so we can have a discussion directly.” – so he had your contact but U went ghost and now that he’s putting u on blast u fronting? This bi@tch is on demon time. Cam exposed her. Send somebody to shake her up IMO. She no good. Hope she gets what’s coming to her soon.
Sue the bitch. Get you a Rothstein or Rosenberg and get your funds back while dragging her through mud. Social media is superficial
Good Joyner brought this to light. Too many people like her out here messing over people. It’s sad because she got
60k from at the time a unknown artist, when someone goes puts that much into it, why would you not feel obligated, motivated to put in work to get them on? At the least take that 60k use like 15k to get a decent feature something. This will do in her rep for good now.
Took 60k and wasn’t motivated to do anything for that man?? Wow I’m glad he got on without her
Can you imagine all the people she has ripped off that didn’t get to where Joyner Lucas did. He made it and has a voice
and I’m glad he’s using it. Hopefully more people come forward to expose this leach
This is a matter of words having weight vs words falling on deaf ears. She had to respond because his words matter now. She took that man’s money and did absolutely nothing. Talking about subcontractors were paid, paid to do what? She’s a clown and the definition of a culture vulture
he only paid 60k for the “karen civil” name and co-sign not any actual service so he got what he deserved. He could have paid a real PR company 5K and got actual services with no guarantee instead he went the clown route and got took. however he was still associated with karen civil when he “blew up” so not sure what he’s complaining about unless he’s broke now
Your a clown, clearly you don’t know the services she was suppose to provide, if you pay ANY PR company 5k then your gonna get ripped off and he was not associated with her when he blew up, she got no part or % of any deal!!! Your the same ass clowns that want artist to sign a 360 deal, KAREN has been a fucking THIEF, she started off good but now she’s nothing but a fucking thief, that’s why none of my clients never ever and never will work with her, social media got ya’ll fucked up, they don’t even let her sit at the table.
I feel bad for your “clients” considering you don’t know the difference between “your” and “you’re.”
I’d take a slight grammar mistake over someone like you who knows nothing of what you speak of. Not all Karen’s are white. You diverting to discrediting truth based off a semantic is telling. Idiot.
So you’re saying to me the 60K was for actual PR work and not co-sign money? What PR firm does Karen Civil run? I don’t know much about her except she is pretty and has a nice figure so I’m assuming she goes to the parties and talks about people she likes. Lots of musicians pay independent PR firms 2-10K to do mailouts and promo. That’s what you do to get your name out there. No guarantees but if you do it yourself they have no idea who you are, with a reputable independent firm they have some assurance that you are worth a listen.
Dumb rappers must look like food to these people. You gave somebody you don’t know $60,000 up front and had no knowledge of what she was going to do for you? Yeah, you dumb. That’s really why he stayed quiet because this bitch played him like all of the other illiterate rappers.
Naw he stayed quiet because he’s smart. If he would have start talking before he made a name for himself she could
have easily had him black balled, before he had a chance to make money, gain leverage or build any relationships in the industry. Their are a lot of business you have to pay for a service if you are in a certain field, real estate, construction, logistics, security, marketing, production, catering, coordinator, consultant, lawyer, photography, assistant, A lot of times you have to pay certain companies for a service that you want and all you can go off is their rep, word of mouth, reviews. He made the smart move and waited until his name is known, if he was a unknown artist still nobody would be listening to him. People like Karen are paid to help but instead she take advantage of people simply because they don’t have a name, leverage, or experience. You’re a scum if you are paid to help but you choose to harm or neglect.
Would have had him blackballed? Cut the shit bruh. That bitch ain’t got that kind of power. People with that kind of power, they would never confront, nor would they have sat on Clubhouse and talked to them about it. Cam’Ron been in the game for years with ties to Sean Combs and other heavy hitters. She fucked him over too. That bitch just knows a mark when she sees one. Look at the rappers complaining: Joyner, Meek, Cam’Ron, etc. These aren’t exactly scholars in the game.
Who are these people?
A lot of Celebrities.
I swear that woman looks like a dog lmfaoooo. No cap.
Damn, she ugly as fuck bruh.