Tyler, The Creator sat down with Rick Rubin for a recent episode of the legendary producer’s podcast, Broken Record. During the conversation, the topic turned to production and the Odd Future alum declared Eminem didn’t exactly have an ear for choosing good beats.

“Some people who hear a smooth beat like, ‘I’ma going fuckin’ yell on it! I’mma do this,'” he starts. “They’re more thinking of saying cool sh*t rather than making a good song … Eminem picked some of the worst beats ever.”

He quickly added, “His energy and witty lines is what made the songs cool.”

Tyler, who also appeared in the four-part HBO documentary on Rubin called Shangri-La, was a target of Em’s wrath on the Kamikaze cut “Fall.” Shady received a healthy amount of backlash for calling Tyler a homophobic slur in the song.

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The Flower Boy mastermind, however, said he wasn’t bothered by it.

Earlier this month, he told The Guardian, “Did you ever hear me publicly say anything about that? Because I knew what the intent was. He felt pressured because people got offended for me. Don’t get offended for me.

“We were playing Grand Theft Auto when we heard that. We rewound it and were like, ‘Oh.’ And then kept playing.”

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Listen to his comments above.