Fat Joe is facing social media’s wrath for comments he made about the origins of Hip Hop culture during a recent Instagram Live.
It all started on Friday (August 26) when the Terror Squad captain shared a video that paid homage to Latino Hip Hop pioneers. He wrote in the caption, “Thank you Thank you Thank you for your contribution to Hip Hop.” The following day, he hopped on Instagram Live to not only big up DJ Khaled’s new God Did album but also address some of the negative comments he was seeing about the post.
“I tell you I never really fuck with Twitter, but I go on there to see they always hating on me and shit,” he begins around the 52-minute mark. “Lately, they’ve been talking about, ‘Latinos wasn’t in rap.’ These guys are fucking delusional. We’re from the Bronx, New York. Shit happens. This is where Hip Hop started. It’s Latino and Black, half and half.
“But they going at me ‘cause I’m like the only Spanish dude with a big voice. Like, ‘Fuck that. Latinos wasn’t there. You was invited. You are a specimen.’ I don’t know what the fuck is up with these people that don’t know their facts.”
Comments addressing Fat Joe’s video started pouring in on Twitter as it made the rounds.
One person claimed, “DJ Khaled is arguably the biggest culture vulture in hip hop & we have Fat Joe (another culture vulture) to ‘thank’ for that,” while another said, “I’m not here to sh*t on Fat Joe or tear down his legacy. But his rhetoric needs to be addressed and checked. If he avoids this conversation he will be destroying his own legacy. I’m also more surprised at the guys around him that aren’t saying anything. Silence means complicit.”
Others were even more aggressive with their thoughts. Another person who goes by Pharaoh Jones called Fat Joe “racist” and suggested he was stealing Hip Hop music.
“RACIST WHITE LATINO FAT JOE is trying to STEAL HIP HOP FROM BLACK AMERICANS by saying that Hispanics created Hip Hop! CANCEL THIS CULTURE VULTURE!!!”
That wasn’t the end of it though. Another Twitter user came with a history lesson for Fat Joe, sharing a black-and-white clip from the 1950s illustrating the early origins of breaking. They wrote in the caption, “BLACK AMERICAN DANCING STYLES: This is where break dancing originated from TAP/SWING DANCE. 1800s-1950s. Black American Teenagers performed it to SOUL and FUNK records breaks in 1967 to 1974 to present – Educate Kids.”
The birth of Hip Hop has been commemorated every year on August 11, the day Jamaican DJ Kool Herc and his sister Cindy Campbell threw their famous Back To School Jam at 1520 Sedgwick Avenue in the Bronx on August 11, 1973. Hip Hop has always been a melting pot of different cultures and will celebrate its 50th birthday in 2023.
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“[If] you talk to Grandmaster Flash, Kool Herc or Afrika Bambaataa or any of the early DJs they all talk about the breakers, who in the ‘70s and ‘80s were mainly Latinos, and keeping them happy on the dance floor,” Hip Hop historian Nelson George wrote in the book Latina. “If you talk about some of the famous break crews who really broke through and got known by the early ‘80s, the majority were Latino dancers like Rock Steady Crew’s Crazy Legs. So if the idea of the Hip Hop DJ is predicated on keeping dancers dancing, then the Latino aspect is crucial. Their aesthetic, their taste, their ability to dance, all affected what was played and how it was played.”
FAT JOE LOOKING LIKE THE KID ON THE FARINA BOX.
WOW SO MUCH IGNORANCE AT DISPLAY. I REALLY HOPE THEY DONT THINK ALL GRAFITTI ARTISTS AND BREAKDANCERS IN THE BRONX WERE BLACK. THESE OUT OF TOWN SJW ARE CROSSING THAT KAREN LINE BRUH.
no but the first Break dancer in the histrory of Hip Hop was Trxie a black american and the first break dancing crew was the Zulu kings a black break dancingcrew
IT DOESN’T MATTER WHO STARTED WHAT WITHOUT A SENSE OF COMMUNITY, WHICH IS THE FOUNDATION IT WAS BUILT ON. BLACKS, LATINOS, AND CARIBBEANS WERE THERE FROM THE DOOR. ANYONE TRYING TO DIVIDE PEOPLE DON’T BELONG HERE. STRAIGHT UP.
Blacks are actually more racist than white people. Now they are going at Latinos. Us white hip hop fans are just gonna sit this one out.
You’re not wrong… It is the weird ass lactose gluten free new blacks though. Ain’t no real ones on board with this none sense. Crazy Legz is Latino. Maybe the greates B-Boy ever.
Ok whitey, whatever you say.
Ok whitey, whatever you say.
That’s because blacks as you call them, will never ever forget their history here in the good ole USA ! And still are subjective to it! And that recessive gene disease carrying albino you love so much.. trump,gave the green light to the rest of your ilk to resume in the open your murderous, devilish, racist ways !!!! MAGA..MAKE AMERICA GROTESQUE AGAIN!
Fat Joe is right. Racist white liberals and their Uncle Toms field hands should move around.
excactly Blacks have been in Hip Hop since day 1 the first Hip Hop DJ was black Grandmaster flowers the first rapper in the history of Hip hop was black Coka La rock the first Hip Hop dancers in the histroy of Hip were blacks, Trixie a black american from New York was the first Break dancer and the first break dancing cre was the Zulu Kings. The first Rock Up dancer was Jim Castor another Black Man While The first Latino rapper was Prince whipper and the first Latino Hip Hop DJJ was Dj Charlie Chase who started the music career with the cold crush brother since 1978 10 years after the first Hip Hop artist Grandmaster flwoers started Hip Hop Music and 5 years after Coka La rock started rapping the first time in the history of Hip Hop
Hip-Hop was a joint venture between blacks, Latinos and carribean brothers. Most of the people talking don’t even know the pioneers only the big names.
Wrong, hiphop was a joint venture between dr dre and jimmy iovine.
If you dont know who jimmy iovine is, google his name dummy. He founded dr dre and eminem and he started this shit.
Real talk fam. PR’a and D’s are all over and mixed in everything in NYC. Always have been. Like la Raza on the west coast. Just because we aren’t always crying about shit and playing the victim motherfuckers forget some times.
Wow. People are ignorant as fuck. Kool Herc and Afrika Banpeedo had Puerto Ricans and Dominicans in their crews. The night clubs back then WERE mixed as almost everything revolving around color is and has been. Both PR’s and Dominicans can arguably be called black, because over 70 percent of wither’s populous has genetics that originate in Africa as well as Spain. To say Latinos weren’t at the forefront of hip hop is just ridiculous. The Bronx is currently 54 percent Latino.
the projection is real on twatter
Shitted on twitter by some entitled, disgruntled, and broke blacks? Hahah who cares, let them drown in their hatred.
Fine! Keep y’all wack ass music then.
Suga suga how you get so fllyyyyy???
Blacks obviously started it from the gate, yet Latinos certainly played big role especially in the dancing aspect. But I would not go as far saying they started it with Blacks. I know from the start the DJ’s were Black as were there early MC’s, and yes in some areas we shared hoods so of course we interacted. Now Whites got into a bit later like early 80’s the first rap acts nationally were the Rapping Duke and the Beastie Boys, but Dolemite (Rudy Ray Moo re)had raps out before the Sugar Hill Gang. People like Gill Scott Herion and others. spoken word over music banging. Like Blacks created Jazz as well as Rock and Roll. Facts!
Here comes the L.A.R.P. weirdo with his WD40 gang bullshit. We get it. You’re a white girl from Kansas trying to chime in. Cool.
It’s sad so many black ppl hate on rock n roll nowadays. I’m a black millennial, and most ppl my age hate on rock, never even gave it a chance. I love all music, but rock n roll over hiphop talent wise, hands down.
Lol Fat Joe is white now? Why isn’t he cancelled for using the n-word then? These people are insane.
Cuz Latinos get a pass with saying it cuz they’re plenty of afro-latino that are integrated in the their and out culture so that’s why.
Bro that’s what he’s saying
Apparently if your Puerto rican, youre considered brown, and you get a pass.
Simple. Afrika Bambataa, Kool Herc, Chuck D, KRS One and other founders of Hip-hop through generations all say Latinos we’re there from day one, and this is a Black AND Latino American art form. These weirdo race card victim youngsters on the socials are out of their fucking minds. Ask the CREATORS. they’ll tell you. Hip-Hop consists of 5 elements. MCing. DJing, Breaking, Beatboxing and Graffiti. All of those elements had no Puerto Ricans and Dominicans either heavily represented or as the majority in each art. The most famous dancer (B-Boy) of all time is Latino. The most famous Graffiti artist of all time… Latino. Most famous rappers. DJ’s. Beatboxers… debate-able. Probably black (many Asian and white DJ’s are up there). Anyone actually involved in the art would never say some bananas shit like that. Bunch of racist weirdos.
Yeah, exactly. Like every genre of music or art, it’s multicultural, especially considering it was birthed in America, a melting pot of different cultures.
Its not about which groups were the most famous with Hip Hop elements but which group created Hip Hop and the Hip Hop elements at first.
Hip Hop DJ was created by Grandmaster flowers a black american from brooklyn who produced the first HIP HOP Beat in 1968.
Hip Hop mcing was created by Coka La rock a black man of jamaican descent who rapped for the first time in the history of hip hop in 1973.
Hip hop dances like break dance and rock up were also created by black people. The first break dancer in the history of Hip Hop was trixie a back american man from New york and the first Break dancing crew were the Zulu Kings a black break dancing crew.
And Rock up dance was created by Jim Castor another black man.
Hip Hop Grafitty was created by Cornread a black american man from Phillaldelphia.
All the subgrenres of Hip hop were created by blacks like east coast rap Miami Bass west coast rap g funk gangsta rap down south rap crunk trap chicago drill.
Even the roots of Hip hop lies in other black music genres like afro american Jazz Soul and Funk and Jamaican dancehall.
East coast rap and early 70s rap was infleunced by Jazz and Soul while west coast rap is influenced by Funk and base based down south rap like crunk and trap by jamaican dancehall.
Hip Hop is 100% black music
“Racist weirdos”??
Latino isn’t a race… And if you actually took the time
to look it up you’ll know Latinos came AFTER. They even said it themselves.
I think FAT JOE is right now lets talk bout something huge.
Lizzo?
My huge brown polynesian cock
Who cares. Y’all arguing over nothing. It doesn’t matter who created it, all that matters now is that we don’t forget where it came from, bro. On a side note, I’m looking for a BBC hopefully in the Manhattan area.
You couldn’t handle me whitey.
Whitey? Wait, I finally figured you out….. Everlast is that you? Wow, you’ve really gone downhill,bro.
The Beastie Boys invented rap. So it was invented by white people like everything else in the world.
And Mexicans created country music, barbecues , the sawed off shotgun , lowriders , Ted Cruz. ( his Cuban Father)
Bro im pretty sure, no im 100% sure the chinese invented rap. Do some research.
Grandmaster Flowers DJ Kool Herc and COKA la rock
Somehow black people have been tricked into being the weirdo fat lesbian chick, that doesn’t ever fuck women, but is a lesbian because men (and women) find her gross. Purple hair and all. You know, the lame chick that talks about cultural appropriation with blacks and Latinos but hates alcohol, weed, Spivey food, gluten and lactose. Can’t name a member of the Wu or Run DMC. She’s real up to date on who is a member of Thirty Seconds to Mars though… They have these dudes saying shit like eating chicken is racist.
You really are a lame azz individual No where from the corners we were raised Hip Hop will forever be Queens & Bronx
The scat jazz artist of the 30s40s50s were the first rhymers Why hip hop is infused to Jazz
Wasnt any jazz latinos on circuit Salsa and etc was the culture
We all struggled together in the 80s as usual Blac American break back and sweat and robbers come steal our connect culture and vibe
nothing more tedious than retarded rap fans with no lives. none of you have ever done anything besides watch porn and lose at gambling
Talking about yourself again
Ive also had my jaw broken before.
This fat ni**a thought lean back was in da club. My shit sold 11 mill, his shit was a dud.
Jada don’t fuck wit me, if you wanna eat. Cause I’ll do your little ass like jay did mobb deep.
2005 WAS A LONG TIME AGO!
What year was your mother born?
He is NOT WRONG!!!! Blacks & Latinos made SOMETHIN’ outta NOTHIN’! That “Somethin” was called Hip-Hop!!! it was sold under the Table in the early/Mid 90’s, so the average Idiot WOULD think that Jimmy Iovine runs Hip-Hop!!
Wow. You’re off by like 20 years dork. Dudes who never get laid try to be clever miss shitting on millionaires and successful people. Nice.
Hey prick read up & stop talking shit Hip-Hop was a black/latino thing go back to the fucking 70’s & 80’s check history & watch the footage y’all some dumb ass mahfuckas for real goddamn
Hip hop was probably started by blacks. Latinos might have been there in the beginning. I don’t know. i wasn’t even born yet. I know for a fact hip hop is consumed every race and culture. Every country in the world. To say hip hop is one color now is not accurate at all. Hip hop is universal now. To say it’s black now. Just because of the US. Is really thinking small less than 5% of the world’s population live in the US. Hip hop broke barriers and borders. The world is hip hop.
Probably? Fuck is wrong witchall? LEARN THE HISTORY or listen to Poison mahfucka
Learn the history’s of electricity and the internet or bang on drums motherfucker. See what I did there? Dummy.
Let’s get this straight! Back in the late seventies, the first rap song that aired on radio, was from the group “Kim tim the third” next was from the classic, and forever, “the sugar Hill gang” rappers delight. And that’s not speaking about when I was about 7 or 8 years old, having my parents take me and my siblings to a fun time at Coney island amusement park, in the late sixties and hear the DJs rhyme (today is called rap) while crazy rides were spinning. Back then in the sixties no one promoted these BLACK YOUNG MEN and their style of singing and rhyming. So yea fat lard..oops Joe. You know the history, don’t play yourself!!! I’m 62 years young, and know without a fact ” that rap in the beginning was BLACK OWNED ! Chupa te essa papito!
Who cares, that’s the question. Are ppl really that upset about the skin color of the people who sparked new genres of music? Sad world we live in.
Ok whitey, whatever you say I’ll take it in the butt
Historically you have and keep doing so. Self inflicted nowadays.
Stop telling white lies!
This is so stupid. Dr dre created rap music, they showed it in the Compton movie. He started it with NWA, the first rappers worldwide. Then all the copy cats came along like KRS1, Mc Ren, and DJ Yella. Dr dre started it all with his group called NWA, which means N Words With Ambition
You a bitch ain’t u sposed to be in class? Children
He’s right. Stop talking shit & learn about what y’all mahfuckas are listening to. If you gonna listen to this or jump in, learn the HISTORY. Or stay the fuck out this shit getting old
Y’all children need to go back to class apparently y’all don’t know a goddamn thing
This is literally true and any real historian would know it, not idiots on twitter. White people were involved early on too. Do some research before you claim otherwise.
Stop telling white lies!
I created hip hop back in biblical times go read my book Rap God BC : Egyptian Lover
Dont forget Akhenaten and the dirty dozen. One of the best story telling rhymers ever. #itallbeganinancientegypt #ancientegyptianswereblack #stoptellingwhitelies
El Manisero circa 1934
It was 11pm I was fast asleep and felt something hard against my rear end. I felt a soft voice and cigarette breath as it whispered: Kanye its Bruce, let it happen. I had the time of my life as I let my inhibitions run wild.
I find it disrespectful that the real originators from the 50’s were the Pakistanis and Yugoslavians before any of these so called originators these guys were beatboxing and freestyling.
Joe’s not lying. Anyway, this is why Twitter is a damn joke. Full of the worst people on the Internet.
Fat Joe ain’t lying.
Although, Hip Hop was created by black people from the Bronx, can’t deny that latinos were part of the movement from day 1.
Lots of us had to go against our own culture to defend Hip Hop.
How can latinos be in Hip Hop since day one when only Black people created Hip Hop music and its elemtents like Hip Hop DJ Hip Hop MCing and Hip Hop dances like Breakdance and Rock up?
The first Hip Hop artist and Hip Hop DJ in the history who created Hip Hop DJ was Grandmaster flowers a Black american man from Brooklyn who made Hip Hop beats since 1968 years before DJ kool herc Afrika bombate or latino Hip Hop pioneers like Dj Charli chase.
The first Hip Hop MC Rapper who created Rapping in 1973 was Coka La rock a black man of jamaican descent born in New York. Coka La rock did rap music years before the first Latino Rapper Prince Whipper whip showed up. Prince whipper whip rapped in 1978 with the cold crush brother 5 years after Coka La rock created Rap Music.
And the first Hip Hop dancers were blacks as well. The first break dance dancer was Trixie a Black american man from New york and the first Break dancing crew in the history of Hip Hop was the Zulu Kings. And rock up dance was created by Jim Catsor another black man. While the first Latino breakdancers showed up after trixie and the Zulu Kings.
By buying their musics, going to their shows, being members of their groups, buying the merch, promoting it at parties, following right behind etc etc etfuckingc
If white people hadnt taken black slaves to america, you would never have invented hiphop. Thank me later.
J…e…w.s you mean. That’s who cut off the Arabs and bought then from African warlords. I guess many were received in a sense, because back when Arabs bought them as slaves, they only bought women as sex slaves, and castrated the men. Real nasty stuff. But nobody actually cares about slavery. If they did, they wouldn’t have a blind eye toward the trade in Libya. Or Asia.
Blacks are the first ones to cry out racism, but are some of the most racist mfks out there.
Stop telling white lies!
Stop telling white lies!
Hip Hop music and culture are 100% black. Black people created HipHop music Hiphop Dejay Hip Hop MCing and Hip hop dances like breakdance and Rock Up.
The first Hip Hop musicians, founding father and Hip Hop DJ in the history of Hip Hop was Grandmaster Flowers from Brooklyn, a black american man FBA who produced the first Hip Hop song/beat in 1968. H ewas active since 1968 even befor DJ kool herc and Africa bombata.
The first Rapper in the histroy of Hip hop was Coka La rock A black man of jamaican descent born in new york who rapped since 1973.
The first Rap crew was suga hill a black rap crew.
The first Hip Hop break dancer was Trixie and the first Break dance crew were the Black Breakdancing crew the Zulu Kings.
And the firt Rock Up dancer was Jim castor.
While the first HIP HOP Djs Hip Hop Rappers and break dance dancers were blacks latinos joined the Hip hop genre years after.
The First Latino Rapper in the history of Hip Hop was Prince Whipper whip who startedhis rap career in 1978 and the first Latino Hip Hop DJ started his Hip Hop career with the cold crush brothers in 1978 ten years after Grandmaster flowers made the first Hip Hop song and 5 years afer Coka La rock started created Hip Hop MCing.
Hip Hop is 100% black music. All the elements of Hip Hop was created by blacks like Hip Hop DJ by Grandmaster Flowers, Hip Hop Mc by Coka la rock and Hip hop breakdancing by Trixie. All the Hip Hop subgenres like east coast rap miami bass west cost rap g funk down south rap crunk trap chicago drill and mumble rap was created by blacks.
Even the roots of Hip Hop lies other black music genres like african american Jazz Soul Funk House and Jamaican dancehall.
Hip Hop is 100% black music created by black people Facts.
Yeah, and sushi was made for Japanese, and English for white people. Who cares. Nobody will say to a black Italian restaurant owner “well, you know, you’re just a guest in this culture. And you’re stealing Italian culture by not making your native peoples food instead”. It’s laughable take from others cultures, and complain when the same happens, because newsflash. All of our cultures are intertwined. We’re mostly celebrating Christmas in USA. Yet most of our ancestry didn’t do that 300 years ago. And if you’re black, celebrating Christmas would be cultural appropriation (in leftist trash terms). I don’t see it that way though. I see it as we share things that we all enjoy, which is great.
Ye all our cultures are intertwined because you dirty white people intertwined with everyone elses cultures. Now im half white you dirty fools
First DJ a white man from the UK. So all of hip hop is appropriation? LOL. First all city graf in NY was Seen. A Puerto Rican. First Breaker was JoJo. Puerto Rican. Break dancing can arguably date back to Shaolin Kung Fu. The first hip hop artist was Kool Herc. Gos says só himself. Don’t try to sound intelligent. Nerd. Some of us have had conversations with these people.
The first Hip Hop DJ was grandmaster flowers.
Dj Play comes fro Uk I know.
EVery single music genre that worked with djs machine have their own way of using the DJs machine and producing its beats.
Funk DJs Jazz Soul And Hip Hop DJs used different methods and ways to produce their beats.
When it comes to Hip Hop DJ Play ( Not DJin general ) Grandmaster Flowers black American DJ from Brooklyn New York was the first Hip Hop in the History of Hip Hop.
Born May 11, 1956 at the Morrisania Hospital in the upper westside of the Bronx. Lauree Myers AKA “Trixie” became a pillar of the culture of Hip Hop and widely known as the first BBoy/Breakdancer.
He is correct…
Here we go again. Certain black folks thoroughly enjoy pulling they’re thongs up over some stupid race related shit. Guys with Twitter names like ‘Free R. Kelly them hoes be lying’ tells you everything you need to know about a one-sided racist mentality. Fuck him and anyone like them bitches…
Ok whitey, whatever you say
excactly Blacks have been in Hip Hop since day 1 the first Hip Hop DJ was black Grandmaster flowers
the first rapper in the history of Hip hop was black Coka La rock
the first Hip Hop dancers in the histroy of Hip were blacks, Trixie a black american from New York was the first Break dancer and the first break dancing cre was the Zulu Kings. The first Rock Up dancer was Jim Castor another Black Man
While The first Latino rapper was Prince whipper and the first Latino Hip Hop DJJ was Dj Charlie Chase who started the music career with the cold crush brother since 1978 10 years after the first Hip Hop artist Grandmaster flwoers started Hip Hop Music and 5 years after Coka La rock started rapping the first time in the history of Hip Hop
How many times are you going to copy and paste the exact same thing? Shit the fuck up already unless you actually have something else to say of your own that you didn’t copy and paste from Wikipedia. Clown
I think Joe is right because HipHop culture is not just about music and dance. It’s so much more, it’s fashion, style, graffiti art, language to a certain extent. Latinos definitely significant contributions to building HipHop culture. After all, we as minorities in this country are fighting the same battles to be respected and accepted as equals to the white ruling majority. God knows we are allies when we’re talking about fighting that war! We are all brothers and sisters, let’s start acting like it!!
It always amazes me when Latino’s say they helped create hiphop when all the hiphop pioneers were black. The first hiphop label was owned by a black woman, the first hiphop group were black, first hiphop dj and artists, not to mention all the music spun at the parties were R&B, Soul, Disco and Reggae. Latino’s were the first spectators of the culture to say they helped create it is mad disrespectful.
And you’re sitting here pretending Djing and Emceeing were the only two aspects of what birthed hiphop. The dance scene was huge, so was graffiti. And the two best to do it were Latino dudes.
If it wasn’t for the Bronx this rap shit right here probably wouldn’t be going on so tell me where you from Uptown baby Uptown baby we put it down baby for the crown baby. Watch the Get Down movie and learn something.
You’re a clown. Kool Herc says it’s a Latino and black thing. Mic drop. End of discussion. He created it dummy. There are 5 elements to Hip-Hop. 2/3 of the 5 where and still are Latino, white and Asian dominated.
Just because you dominate something that does not make you a creator…. basketball is a perfect example. Respect to Kool Herc but I can care less what he says, because black Americans artists were rapping way before he stepped foot in America.
Basketball and Football are not cultures
That’s BS, sports are definitely a big part of the world’s culture. That’s like saying celebrating Christmas or Halloween isn’t part of someone’s culture.
Blondie recorded “Rapture,” the first major hip-hop hit to use original music rather than sampling other artists’ beats.
2 times for Joey crack the don, and big ups to all Latinos rest in paradise to Big Punisher… Much honor goes out to the forefathers of rap/hip hop music like Kool Moe D, Grand Master Flash, Houdini just to name a few. Now I’d heard back in the day that it was a yardie (Jamaican) that started off the rap thing, not quite sure about that claim tho, anyhow nuff respect family.
Kool Herc is Jamaican. You’re absolutely right. His entire crew was Dominican and Puerto Rican.
With this argument, this goes to show and obviously proven that blacks just kept us Latinos around as a safety guard who pretended we were one when in fact still divided because of skin color.
There is a difference between inventing and popularizing.
For example, basketball was popularized by blacks.
Another example : hate was invented by whites and popularized by whites ..no I’m kiddind in this one ;-))
Nah lol, basketball was a major league sport many decades before black men dominated the sport. And I know you’re joking. But obviously hatred, slavery, racism, and inhumanity has always existed. Racism used to be in different forms though, because all humans had been “native” to one single continent for thousands of years. So hating on another race was like how it’s socially acceptable to hate on other countries.
So Latinos are guests in the house of hip-hop?
Latinos should go back to latin!
Well, it wasn’t early hiphop, but one of the best in history to do it; better than Jay, Em, Big, and many others, was Big Pun. That dude had such undeniable skill.
He wasn’t better than any of those on the list. He was decent. Not even on Big L’s level. A.G. out raps him all day. One dimensional. Not top 10. Packing a Mack in the back of tha Ak? Fuck outta here. Dead in the middle of little Italy little did we? Clown.
If you’re talking lyricism, which you are, Big L isn’t the guy to quote lmao. Big L had a nice flow and delivery. Not the best lyricist by any means. And you’re nit picking the worst lyrics from a dude who has plenty of great lyrics. Tupac, biggie, Jay, Em, Pun. Even Rakim has some terrible lyrics thrown into some songs.
the first break dancer was trixie a black american, the first Hip Hop Grafitty Artist was Cornbread black american from Philly and the first rapper in the history of Hip Hop was Coka La rock he made hip hop since 1973 and the first Hip Hop artist and Hip Hop DJ was grandmaster flowers a black american who produced the first Hip hop song/beats in 1968
Maybe the first BLACK break dancer. But the first one to show anything related to breakdancing was Mickey Rooney back in the 30’s. A WHITE man.
The first break dancer was bombfunk emcees you dumb shit. Go fukin learn something.
First DJ. White man from UK. First break dancer. JoJo. A PR. He credits the Shaolin Monks as the first dancers. First all city known graf artist is Seen. PR. Relax poo butt.
Idea who started it or contributed. I care more about those who gave us the very best hiphop music. Anyone can start something. But those who became certain legends expanded it so far that there’s still true hiphop coming out in 2022. Idc what ethnicity started something. Idc if white men started piano music or some shit, because if someone else of a different background makes great music with the piano… well, it doesn’t make them a vulture. It makes them great at music. Music and art, and culture in general are shared. The world shares culture. That’s why in USA we have so much good food to choose from. Wanna eat Mexican? Chinese? American? Japanese? Italian? So much to choose from, and in any city, all around within a 3 miles radius.
It’s more so American culture than black culture. The best rap always came from USA, and all races. Eminem in his prime, Big Pun, Tupac. There’s a mix right there. It’s black American culture, not black culture. Black culture worldwide followed many years after America was into hiphop.
You sound like a fool. Rap music or hip hop culture also would never exist without it’s creation in West Africa by the griots. Look it up. It was then mimicked by Black Americans in the Bronx, with the addition of block parties and sound systems added from Jamaican culture. Breakdancing, graffiti, and the clothing all developed in the Black community… adding to the overall culture. Then other racial and non-African diaspora groups decided to join in and try to steal the culture per usual….which is typical. Eminem is nothing special and Big Pun is a basic rapper. It is African culture that has been been elevated and made more profound by Black American culture. I studied Hip Hop.
It’s like that song goes “If it wasn’t for the Bronx this rap shit right here probably wouldn’t be going on,now tell me where you from Uptown baby Uptown baby we put it down baby for the crown ? baby.Watch the”Get down movie & learn something “. Fat Joe speaking facts.
Fat Joe is way off. Yes, Latinos contributed to hip hop as all other races in this day in age but no, they did not create it. Let’s not re-create history.
He isn’t way off at all dumb dumb. So Kool Herc is way off? The man credited for creating it? He chimes in and said Latinos were there at creation as well. So… you’re wrong. LOL
Like the songs goes if it wasn’t for the Bronx this rap shit right here probably wouldn’t be going on now tell me where you from Uptown baby Uptown baby we put it down baby for the crown baby.The Get Down movie shows the creation of hip-hop watch it and get some knowledge.
Yeah. A fictional movie? Nah. Thanks though.
The fact that you want black people to ‘learn’ about our culture through a fictional tv series a wild.
It’s a silly thing to argue over. Most hip hop heads understand where it was originated. But of the people online criticizing Fat Joe… have they ever contributed anything to the culture? If not, maybe let an actual OG of hip hop check Fat Joe instead of some 20 some year old who wasn’t even born when Joe started. Latino’s were 100% present during the coming up of hip hop. Did they invent it? No. But they contributed to the culture a hell of a lot, particularly in the breakin’ culture.
Today’s hip hop is so far off from the origins, it’s dumb to me to get mad over shit like this. That would be like white people constantly chiming in about James Naismith inventing basketball, despite the fact nobody gives a shit, and not a single person on earth today watches it because of Dr. Naismith.
Black people created Hip Hop, and the Puerto Ricans were definitely day 1’s and got with it early, but weren’t the creators.
We all know that DC started that rap shit with the Godfather of GoGo, Chuck Brown, slim was rappin on them go go beats throughout the 70s
Rap music originated in West Africa with the griots
Ok blacky, whatever you say
As a Native American/ Mexican (Latin) heritage. This goes to the blacks. This is not basketball. Which I’m saying I believe whites created or started, but the black man took it. It’s universal now. Music is universal and influential. It’s not a hip hop hibby to the don’t stop no more.
Ok whitey, whatever you say.
Rap music originated in west africa with the griots. The argument was that Latinos helped create Hip Hop. That is a lie. They may have participated in dancing after it was established, but they definitely did not. I studied Hip Hop. It originates in Africa. The Jamaicans added the sound systems and block parties, which is common in the islands, when the culture was being developed in the Bronx. Hispanics participated in break dancing and graffiti, but didn’t create anything. It was already established before they came in. Fat Joe has claimed he is Black and now is claiming Latinos created the genre. It is pathetic and there is a history of various white cultures stealing from Blacks and claiming it is theirs. So what if Black people took over basketball. White people have been stealing from everybody for years and whites steal own most of the sports teams and make a majority of the money.
First off, I come in peace and I’m not here to have some silly internet drama. I hope we can leave the vibrations of hormonal, teeneaged know-it-alls arguing over minuscule things behind computer screens out of this. I figured that as someone who has knowledge, I’d share knowledge, so these erroneous utterances can stop.
1) Whether anyone likes it or not, so-called blacks and so-called latinos did create hip-hop together. Rap music and hip-hop are not the same thing. While it’s true that the foundations for what rap became were laid from West African traditions, rap as we currently know it was born in NYC
2) Rap music and hip-hop are not the same thing. While it’s true that the foundations for what rap became were laid from West African traditions, rap as we currently know it was born in NYC
3) Who told you these things? Maybe they are a bad source. And how is it (more rhetorical at this point, but perhaps an important point to explore sincerely) that you consider breaking and graf as “didn’t create anything”?
Just enjoy the music…good lord. Latinos were there very early in hiphops early days. We talking the 70s. Especially New York. Not saying they created by the way.
The first American to step into US continental soil was white. Are you not American because your ancestors stepped on it second? Gtfoh. Latinos have been at the fore front since the inception. Stop being the same as the racist that excluded you because of the color of your skin.