Busta Rhymes and other former members of the Leaders Of the New School are being sued for copyright infringement on a song they made in 1991. 19 years after the song released, executives at the Drive-In Music Company say the track, “Case of the P.T.A.” on the group’s debut album is an illegal sample of the Dyke and The Blazers song “Let A Woman Be A Woman, Let A Man Be A Man.” The company explained that it had no clue of the song’s existence until recently.
In addition to suing the group, Drive-In Music Company is also filing suit against the group’s former home, Elektra Records.
The lawsuit asks the judge to place a permanent injunction on the sale of the album and insists that copies of the CD be removed from shelves.
fuck outta here 20 years later
These Mofuckes Need A Slap
Remove the album from the Shelves? LOL!! That album hasn’t been on the shelves in over a decade!
Not true. Where i’m from I’ve seen that album in stores on numerous occassions. It’s definitely still out there. Regardless this suit is some bullshit.
I live in toronto, most music stores only carry what’s hot or new, hard to find anything that’s been out for a few years unless its a major artist. But I was in Europe this summer and noticed a big music store in Paris that carried more old rap (some of it really old school shit) than you could imagine. I mean I couldn’t believe they were moving units of some of this stuff in this day and age. But believe, somewhere this shit is on the shelves still!
casper21, I work in downtown Toronto. Up until recently HMV on Yonge St carried a crap load of old and classic albums. Not so much now. But they definitely had L.O.N.S. album there. Both albums actually.
I dunnoh, I took a good hard listen to both songs, and the only similarity was the ride cymbal sound. BUT, you can get a ride cymbal sound from anywhere, and it sounds like they just put the ride cymbal sound over top of the drum loop itself, which doesn’t really sound like it came from “Let A Woman Be A Woman, Let A Man Be A Man.”
That being said, copyright laws weigh heavily in favor of the plaintiffs, so we may see another losing case.
Shit, damn, motherfuckers.
Ok the sample is between 1:43 and 1:48 of the song ‘LET A WOman BE A WOMAN AND A MAN BE A MAN”. It’s the classic case of suing over a beat. if this is the case they will be millionares because there are plenty of break beat records with this sample…no less the countless sound files that are generated for sampling purposes. What im not understanding is the fact that they sue the group and NOT the producer AND the record label. Anyway…good luck to DYKE on this one if he can get a dime!
Bullshit.
Poor Dinco.
LOL MORE LIKE POOR DINC AND Brian, AKA Charlie Brown..I see you bra!
people fear what they don’t understand yo.
these musicians that we’ve been sampling for the past 30 years are quick to shit on hip hop.
im gonna make this quick.
without pete rock flipping ahmad jamal into the world is yours i wouldn’t have known who the fuck ahmad jamal was.
without ski beatz flippin lonnie liston smith and turning it into dead presidents i wouldn’t have known who the fuck lonnie listen smith is.. and i smoke to lonnie liston smith everyday
im 21 and i can honestly say that a majority of the artists i listen to that’s non hip-hop, i discovered them because they were sampled for my fav hip hop tracks. once u find something good you’re not just gonna settle for that one shit. you would want to get that whole artists catalogue.
these musicians that came before us should understand we’re not only trying to create something new from their shit but at the same time these sampled beats are like history lessons
i always wanted to get a hold of the original song my fav rappers or producers sampled. i would read the credits and thank yous while taking a shit before i even bumped the albums.
so basically
because of hip hop sampling, to my eyes atleast,
their name and sound was revived in a manner our generation could fuckin appreciate
i hate it when these guys go as far as lawsuits and shit over samples
its fucking music.
what did u expect ? no one else was gonna do new shit and make new music after you?
we look for loops and breaks to sample just as you travelled and studied and looked for rare instruments.
anyways
peace
i jus had my wake and bake so sorry if this post is very fucking random
🙂
go sue soulja boy’s momma for givin birth to him or someshit.
Vaughn you might’ve been high when you wrote that but that shit you said was dead on the head (pause) seriosuly though for you to be so young, only 21 that was very nicely put. People fail to realize that Hip Hop producers sample other artist out of respect. Not necessarily respect for that artist but out of respect for the music that they created. A person will only sample something from some one elses catalogue if they feel it’s a dope sample, that’s respect due right there. Them suing L.O.N.S. 19 years later is cornier then when CHUCK D SUED DJ PREMIER FOR SAMPLING HIS VOICE ON THE TEN CRACK COMMANDMENTS BY BIGGIE….123456789
Maybe I don’t have an ear for it, but I’m not hearing the similarities between the two songs.
Fuck, it took them 19 years to find it. Isn’t that past the statute of limitations anyways?
Now I completely understand why artists get upset over illegal samples, it’s their right to be.
But this right here?
This is pure spite here.
shits funny they arent getting no money off that shit now.AND DX WHY THE HELL DONT YOU PUT THE SONG UP THAT YOUR SAYING THEYRE GETTING SUED FOR?yall put up a whole diff song?cmon son
They put up a song that’s more appropriate to the overall sentiment at hand.
That’s it, that’s all. You wanna listen to Case Of The PTA, then YouTube that shit.
C’mon son.
didn’t that song come out before that sampling law was in play??
Suing the leaders of the new school for money is like mugging a hobo for extra pocket change. say word.
word.
ppl are broke as hel finding a 20 year old song to sue sumone for that dident even go plat 20 mins later lol
19 years later, some people are just truly desperate, sad sooooo sad. Only sample that I truly heard is the soundbyte that Stetsasonic used for “Sally”. So why not after them….
The only people who don’t understand why an artist would sue another artist for illegally using their intellectual property are people who haven’t created SELLABLE intellectual property.
Simply put….Yall dont understand because you prolly arent TALENTED enough to create something that someone else would want to jack.
I know some of yall are producers. And I’d bet everything I own that if someone used YOUR music and made hundreds of thousands…maybe millions off of it (mostly publishing for the artist, sales for the label), you would NOT sit back like, “well I dont wanna be a HATER so Imma let them keep making money and not say nuttin”. Man GTFOH! Yall are making these comments from THE SIDELINE!
Who cares how long it takes. If it’s legal, SUE! And if it’s news that they SUCCESSFULLY filed papers, then NO its NOT past the statute or the court would have rejected it and there would be NO suit.
Come on, kids. smarten up!
well if that’s the case then every single producer whether rookie or veteran that samples should get sued if you’re going to make that statement…it sounds like you’re saying that every producer should be sued because there’s a shit load of Hip-Hop producers that have sampled shit from A to Z even if they’ve decided to stop sampling…Why do you think that they built sampling machines aka MPC’s for? Basically for sampling…Everyone who owns a MPC is jacking samples because that’s what a MPC is used for which would be sampling…If people stopped sampling records period then MPC’s would go completely out of business and they would be discontinued from being made…Not only that,Vinyl records would be gone for good as well because there would be no use for them and then alot of the One Hit Wonder artists or Never Blew Up artists who are bitching and complaining about other artists sampling their music would stay being known as nobodies and won’t have to worry about other artists turning them into a bigger somebody by sampling them…
What did you do…read my comment and use that as an excuse to write a thesis on “why Hip Hop needs samples?” Imma need you to pay attention, fam. No one is against sampling. I sample when I make music. Thats not an issue at all. ALL samples need to be CLEARED! Thats the rules, sir! Drums? Nah not unless its a recognizable drum PATTERN using the original drums. Vocals? Yep. Music? Of course. And my POINT was that all of these people are speaking against suing because they haven’t had anything stolen from THEM.
Where did I mention anything about not sampling?
So all of that Apocalyptic stuff that you are talking about is kinda misplaced and irrelevant to my statement, fam!
ANd PS…Check your facts. MPC’s, ASR-10’s, SP-1200’s and all of that weren’t made to “sample” like YOU are talking about. Thats why when they were introduced in the EARLY 80’s, they only contained MAYBE a second or two. WE took them and made our own purpose for them because thats how clever we were as hip hop cats. But please believe me when I say that NO ONE was making GEAR for HIP HOP when these machines were invented. WE USED THEM FOR OUR OWN PURPOSES.
Now by the mid to late 80’s when the music became more popular, they started having us in mind when they made them…hence the INCREASE in sampling capabilities and sampling time. This is all researchable by the way…IF you know your gear.