The Black Lips’ guitarist Cole Alexander has several criticisms of Drake.
“I’m sure he has some struggles in his life like everyone does, but I just don’t like Drake,” Alexander says during an interview with A.V. Club. The interview is part of the “HateSong” series in which the site asks musicians and others to “expound on the one song they hate most in the world.” Alexander names Lorde’s “Royals” his “HateSong,” but says he was considering selecting DJ Khaled’s “No New Friends,” which features Drake.
“He seems kind of fake to me,” Alexander continues of Drake. “I like my rappers more ghetto and ratchet-sounding. Personally, I like more melodramatic, ignorant Rap where they’re talking about violence and anger and it’s just evil. I don’t like when it’s too conscious, I don’t like it when it’s too smart. To me, it’s just like a gangster movie. In a gangster movie, you don’t want to see polite guys. You want to see them do horrible shit. It’s a movie. It’s entertainment, and, at the end of the day, music is entertainment. It might reflect what has happened, but a lot of times it’s an art form of telling stories.”
Alexander also says that Macklemore & Ryan Lewis’ “Thrift Shop” is “confused.”
“There’s that one line where they’re like, ‘That’s a cold-ass honky,’” he says. “I really don’t like that line. First of all, it’s a racist word. I feel like white people, when someone says something racist against them, they’re not very offended. They’ve never had to deal with racism so it’s almost a kind of white guilt, or a subtle kind of action.
“My problem isn’t the fact that he says ‘honky,’ though,” he continues. “It’s that he puts ‘honky’ in a black person’s mouth [in the ’Thrift Shop’ video] and they actually say it instead of him. He put a racist term into a black person’s mouth and had it thrown back at him to satiate his white guilt.”
Who the fuck is this guy? Why don’t you interview me, I am also a nobody
Me as well LOL
I get it
he wants hip hop to reflect what he believes black people are….ghetto, ratchet, violent, ignorant and evil
a black man speaking too smart or too conscious is overwhelming for him
Yeah I peeped that too. He wants to maintain white supremacy and we know black conciousness and intelligence is a threat to white supremacy.
Co-sign what you took from his comments. Let’s continue to keep the black man down. No need for a revolution
This is an interesting way to get famous. I salute this young man for creating a lane and possibly a trend. White people under the age of 30 don’t have anything to feel guilty about. Everyone born before 1970 will soon be dead and the world will have improved race relations then.
Yeah because racism stopped in the 60’s and after that police brutality stopped, blacks started getting fair sentences, profiling stopped, qualified blacks started getting hired, and everybody can hail a cab. That stuff only happened in the 60’s.
in the real world, many of the under 30 whiteboys visit racist sites, follow hate groups and learn from their racist parents, friends, teachers, and leaders
The white kids who grew up in the 2000’s are the most racist. 98% of the racist comments on this site are white males in their teens and early 20’s. It was these kids who called Kanye the N word after the Taylor Swift thing, and complained because a black girl was in the Hunger Games and it’s white kids who say racist things on online video games and internet sites. They’re way worse than the older generations. So no, it will not die out.
Everything was cool until he started elaborating. I hate Drake’s music too but I don’t think he’s out of his element either, it just ain’t my thing, but he has a lane.
This guy is basically saying that he likes hip hop to continue to be stereotypical, violent and sexist.
lol, all you gotta do is let them talk like they’re important & intelligent, and within 10 minutes they’ll put their foot in their mouths and show you how stupid they really are
lol all you gotta do is let them talk like they’re liberal and colorblind, and within 10 minutes they’ll put their foot in their mouths and show you how prejudiced they really are.
Number 1. Who really gives a fuck about this guys opinion.
Number 2. It’s a tad bit hypocritical to call Drake out as fake (although I agree) but then go on to say he likes listening to ignorant violent rap – in which 90% of the rappers who make that form of rap are telling and lie and ‘fake’.
I was thinking exactly that, not a huge Drake fan, but clearly this guy thinks all black guys are just loud, angry and ignorant. That’s a real black man… Sad but this interview embodies American racism and the twisted logic that allows this guy to think he is a crusader against racism (i.e., Macklemore comments) while his opinions are cloaked in the most blatant racism and he can’t even recognize it
go on any eminem site and see if white poeple don’t get offended, for no reason, and usually be the first to go on the offensive
maybe it’s because whites are just taking measures everywhere possible to preserve themselves while blacks just follow on in a mentally dead mentality and all about materialism.
Damn Anon2, that may be the most twisted logic I’ve ever heard… We’re defensive cuz we don’t want to admit we have an upper hand in every kind of way, which is self-preservation in a sense, but not of the noble sort. Black people don’t get as quickly defensive over racism because they experience it everyday and have long ago realized that arguing with ignorant pricks is a waste of breath.
No matter how often or how loud a minority group screams “We are the same as you”, it doesn’t mean it becomes true, or that it even causes a move in the right direction. Often there is incredible backlash before any kind of forward movement is achieved… It’s amazing that oppressed groups even fight the system as much as they do considering the odds stacked against them. Thats why I love hip hop, it embodies the resilience of the human spirit despite all odds
COSIGN TAZZZ, REAL SH-T
Great guitarist from a great band stating the obvious. Everybody knows that Drake is fake.
This guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Drake grew up in the streets in a tough gangster life.
Oh, yeah. The suburbs of Toronto is SO tough.
Who is this person???
“Yeah because racism stopped in the 60’s and after that police brutality stopped, blacks started getting fair sentences, profiling stopped, qualified blacks started getting hired, and everybody can hail a cab. That stuff only happened in the 60’s.”
MY GOD LOLOLLOLOLLOLOL
Maybe, if US blacks stop committing crimes, we wouldn’t have to worry these so called “unfair sentencing practices”.
We don’t have to commit crimes to deal with unfair treatment, harrasment or sentencings. You just have to fit the description.
L M F A O
unfair sentencing is some guy facing 10 years for a crack vial but a banker who fixed the Libor pays a fine & keeps his job and no jail, when he ROBBED the world!
I’ll say it again, if you pay attention, they will tell you how STUPID they are, they believe the LIES their own tell them
Clearly, this white supremacist who calls himself Cole Alexander desires to perpetuate black stereotypes, violence, and ignorance in our artform. He sounds like an ignorant confused devil,
He’s not a white supremacist but he is a SUSPECTED white supremacist.
“You want to see them do horrible shit. Its a movie. Its entertainment, and, at the end of the day, music is entertainment. It might reflect what has happened, but a lot of times its an art form of telling stories.”
Yeah you desire entertainment because it doesn’t affect you nor your white community. It affects the black community negatively. Cole doesn’t understand the dynamics of music and its effect on the masses today; the corporate takeover of hip hop was done to continue this SAMBO, Caricature styled RAP, while alienating “conscious” rap. Clearly, Cole feels more comfortable with his perception of ignorant Blks versus the Intelligent Blk/African that makes him feel uncomfortable. This devil can’t even see his own racism.
I don’t always agree with Macklemore, but I do admire his understanding of White Supremacy and several attempts to create an open forum discussing white privileged. This is why he put “honky” in his song and had a black man say it, because he truly understands race politics/history in america.
Thank you!! This is all I’ve wanted to hear for so long and I’m glad someone gets it. If the cost of his opening a discussion is coming off a bit preachy or “holier than thou”, then so be it. The ends justify the means. He’s bringing legitimate political and social issues back to mainstream music, whether you like his music or not, you should thank him for opening the door so we can all hash it out amongst ourselves.
For those that disagree with me or thinks Mac is just an opportunist or whatever, go check out “White Privelege” from his first official album, Language of My World.” He understands our society much better than 90% of emcees, at least someone is talking about it. Unfortunately black artists have been for years, but if it takes a white boy to get everyone to listen, at least its progress. Don’t hate him for it
Tazzz, you’re on point. Absolutely. I heard that song and my whole perception of Mac changed. At least he’s trying, and the insults are unfair. This peckerwood Cole is mad a smart, true humanist like Mac is calling whites out on its hypocrisies.
Cole shouts racism where it doesn’t exist. So called “racist” terms to describe whitey, all derived from actual Caucasian oppressive acts. Honky derived from white men who would come in black urban communities and HONK for blk prostitutes to come outside and do dirty work.
I hope all of you people on here realize that the black lips are a pretty famous and successful garage punk band that has been around for close to a decade. Who have recorded with GZA and performed with him live on multiple occasions.
That doesn’t make him sound any less ignorant.
Doesnt take away from the fact their guitarists and probably the rest of the band are RACIST! Performing with GZA doesn’t eradicate his racism, nor does it validate/excuse his bigoted remarks.
they have also worked with killer mike. I highly doubt Mr Michael Render would ever asssociate with someone he deemed to be racist. Maybe you should know a little something about the subject matter before casting it off as racist. Yeah, he probably choose the wrongs words when describing the rap he listens to, but if you need through any hip hop website, forum, or comment section, the terms he has used to describe the kind of rap he listens to are on par with the language that most hip hop writers and fans use to describe that type of rap. Also, honky is a racist pejorative term. it did not come from “white men who would come in black urban communities and HONK for blk prostitutes to come outside and do dirty work.” The term existed well before the common existence of the automobile.
clearly you’re a fan of Black Lips and in your defense for the band, you are struggling with deciding whether you should still listen to a group knowing its members are racist. Which then will make you feel like a racist yourself for enjoying their music. Regardless of what site, C section, etc describes the kind of “rap” doesn’t make his words less racist, nor does it conceal his subconscious racism. It’s ignorant on both sides. His intent was ignorant, and cynically racist.
Nice wikepedia definition of Honky. The etymology of the term existed before automobiles, meaning its transliteration became Honky describe white oppressive acts. It can’t be racist, when its being used by those who are oppressed (blks). Nice try.
Ok he WORKS with black artist, my bad. He probably has a black friend too, did I guess? That makes it ok too, right?
i am a fan, i am also i big fan of hip hop first and foremost. I am not struggling with anything. Just because a group is oppressed does not negate their ability to be racist. Hatred or intolerance of another race based on race alone is racist. Therefore a pejorative term, such as honky, used to negatively describe a race of people, is racist. Sorry homie, but you just come off sounding stupid and ignorant when you something like “It can’t be racist, when its being used by those who are oppressed”. Racism is not negated just because it is used in a counter attack to racism.
Are we really discussing the power of the word honky? Does anyone even take that word seriously? Its a fuckin joke man, in the same breath that this dude is saying he likes his black men ignorant and angry, he takes offense to the use of the word honky BY A WHITE ARTIST WHO PAID AN ACTOR TO LIP-SYNC IT… Who gives a fuck man? The dude is clearly ignorant and racist, whether he knows/intends to be or not.
Not to mention that that has absolutely nothing to do with “white guilt”, which historically manifests in supporting ideas/policies that support minority groups based on their recognition of the inherent oppression built into our society, NOT THE USE OF TERMS INSULTING TO WHITES. You dumb boy and everyone sees it. Why try so hard to defend someone clearly speaking out of their lane and on some bullshit??? Just say yea he stupid, thank god he doesn’t write their songs, but I like the Black Lips’ music…
honky isn’t a racial slur like n!gg3r, sp!c, w0p
just because you perform or make music with someone doesn’t mean you share the same values or sentiment about life, it’s stupid for you to even try to imply that
and listening to Hip Hop doesn’t mean sh-t, plenty of whites who do still go out and exercise white entitlement and perpetuate the suppression of blacks through systematic blockades
so in short, shove all that pseudo intellect up your ass, you sound stupider than this Cole Alexander asshole
“Ok he WORKS with black artist, my bad. He probably has a black friend too, did I guess?”
^ exactly
to this day, they still don’t know that is bigoted conjecture, but look at this “race professor” here, probably is more than a fan, but a Black Lips member trying to save face
He’s being facetious. He doesn’t mean it the way you think he does. He’s trying to mock hiphop and insult black people with that snarky little statement. His comments on “Thrift Shop” confirm that’s he’s racist. If you ever hear a white person use the term “white guilt”, it’s safe to assume he’s racist. By the way, does anyone know who this guy is? I’ve never heard of him. I’m not impressed
this guy is a hater long live drake, don’t be mad cause these jews can rap and from beastie boys to talentdisplay to drake dope!
This guy is an ignorant ass. Sounds like he gets off on the concept of the ignorant/violent black man. There are rap albums which display ignorance and violence in the black community but also explore the causes, the results, and the realities of living in that environment in an honest way. Then there is the music he’s describing, which glorifies sexism, ignorance and violence and possibly perpetuates these things. It’s the same thing with movies/TV; some are worthwhile and some are garbage. Comparing music to movies/TV does not allow you to avoid addressing the issue.
It’s one thing to say that you listen to a rapper because of his great skill and creativity, even though you don’t support all the subject matter. But to say you like your rap ignorant, ghetto and violent is really messed up considering these are real social issues and real people dying out there.
Damn Cole Alexander is a cute white boy, I need that dick in my black cheeks, PRONTO!
Fuck drake gay r&b bitch
the black lips are terrible. who cares what this white bred chump thinks about anything?
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Translation:
“I like my c00ns to be ignorant and stupid, so I can feel myself better as a no-name ass peckerwood working in a black-created music genre. Personally, I love to hear those monkeys rapping about killing each other in our white-created ghettos like the dumb ni66ers they are because I’m naturally evil. I cringe when black people get too conscious; I hate to see them being the smart group of people they are supposed to be, I want to see them being the ignorant muthaphukkas my people made them to be. I really don’t like to hear black people saying “honky”, even though I love to hear them calling each other ni66ers, bitches and ho’s. I got a problem when one of us become aware of the fact that we’ve basically ruined everybody and everything on this planet and I try to shut ’em down by calling them white-guilt-having, ni66er-loving motherfuckers. Plus I love Hitler and hate every black person that’s not a thug.
I second this translation.
Gets a little too militant for my taste, but I fully agree that this is exactly how this moron comes across.
Hes right, he didnt put it too well. But drake is unforgivable soft and macklemore thinks he can preach to black people even tho hes from the suburbs.
“maybe it’s because whites are just taking measures everywhere possible to preserve themselves while blacks just follow on in a mentally dead mentality and all about materialism.”
^ LMMFAO
you ain’t qualified to have this conversation, go get you a go-gurt & stfu
“Nature of the threat” pretty much epitomises what this racist is afraid of
Seriously he comes across as a closet racist. Also, Nature of Threat is arguably the realest song ever. Soul On Ice still sounds good today.
soul on ice>illmatic
This validates what I’ve been saying all along. Drake haters are white suburbanites who think gangsta rap is 100% real and hate Drake because they remind them of the guy who stole their gf in high-school. Everything this corny loser said is textbook hipster/trust-fund kid racism. He needs to shut-up.
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This guy doesn’t represent anyone.
he represents some more than you think, smarten up
So he just wants to listen to ignorant rappers talking ignorant shit? Get the fuck outta here!
Seriously, if all you wanna listen to is ignant shit then you’re not really taking hip hop music seriously.
I mean, if that’s what you like, cool. Just don’t talk shit to other rappers for talking something different than that stereotype ignant ass shit! Its detrimental to the culture and to people in general, if you ask me.
Cole Alexander’s comments read just like Donald Rumsfeld’s saying a “trained ape” when speaking on the POTUS’ stance on Russia, veiled racism. I’ve told you young brothers and sisters before pay attention to the terminology for that very reason. The name of the band alone is suspect.
This guy is far from being cool. The reality is he exists in the form of others that are around you right now as I speak. A wolf in sheep’s clothing. Stop thinking frauds like him have your best interest in mind.
He basically said if there was a pro-black song tearing up the charts and the community embraced it to the point where things changed for their betterment, he wouldn’t like it. And don’t think this is an isolated thought, they ALWAYS want you to believe their societal ills are ALL isolated, when the history and mannerisms say otherwise.
I love black cock in my ass while listening to Public enemy.
who is this coke head lookin nigga…
i have one of this guys solo records and it has swastikas on it
Pretty sure the drummer of this band is a full on wigger. Wannabe rap producer and all.
fuckblack hip hop and their swag
drake is a fake mother fucker he could never step foot in a real ghetto what the fuck ever happen to real black hip hop now we got these fucking clowns taking over and black people supporting this fake shit wtf tupac would destroy drakes music if he were alive and i dont know why they remix tupac songs tupac would never work with em dre and the rest of them drake needs to step foot in the bay area real niggas smoke his ass from around here all that shit drake saying he a G he lying ass fuck he aint no real mother fucker
TODAYS HIP HOP SHITS FAKE AS HELL WITH ALL THAT SWAG SHIT < GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE WHAT EVER HAPPEN TO BEING REAL I COULD IMAGINE IF TUPAC WERE ALIVE TODAY AND HE SAW THE STATE OF HIP HOP
us white people hate when you blacks are TOO smart
lucky for them most of us a dumb as shit!
read the reply
whiteboy is telling on himself in blackface
Who is this guy and why is he so stupid?
he the singer from Black Lips, said so right in the article smart guy
ignorance is a bliss…is why you never be as big as drake. so go and hate all you want. Free Masons for life!!!
These guys used to piss and vomit all over each other and into each others mouths at their concerts.
they go to india to perform and end up having to sneak out so they dont get thrown into foreign jails.
Also, honky is a racist pejorative term. it did not come from “white men who would come in black urban communities and HONK for blk prostitutes to come outside and do dirty work.” The term existed well before the common existence of the automobile.
whats it mean then im curious now lmfao
Talks bout racism then says he only like rap culture if its surrounded in chaos. black people who be talking bout murdering one another, stealin, robbin people and tearing one another down, this dude more ignorant than Macklamore be, someone take this fufu ass to a block in Chicago then see how he feels bout “ratchet” music. article is mad stupid and jus another jawn to bring attention to clownin Drake, y’all weak ass writers and reporters in media needa start gettin driven by somethin else more interestin then every other behind the screen nerd ass or leave the industry, 1.
brah they from atl
Dog, this shit is trash, how this dude even got an article is beyond me.
I’am sick and tired of hearing about gangsters, murders, robbers, carjackers,hoes, strippers on and on etc., if you guys like that shit so much and it impresses you then why don’t you go out and do these things if you think your so tough, its crap and garbage. Drake brings in far better music than that ugly stuff, quite frankly people are tired of that stuff we need new artists like Drake, and his music sells, the people like it, but maybe other musicians don’t, too bad your one in a trillion, keep on, keep on Drake. Piss offfffffffffffffff idiot.
Great article. Nothing he said is wrong, all he talked about was the type of music he likes, not that all rappers are ignorant and ghetto. Stay butthurt, Clyde Singleton.
Nobody cares what this no name thinks, especially Drake who could buy his life 100x over.