Too Short Says There Was An Industry-Wide Plot To Shut Down Conscious Hip Hop

Exclusive: Short says Jive Records pushed him to be exclusively nasty and that the major labels plotted to keep positive Rap off the radio airwaves. He also explains the Dangerous Crew's disbanding.

During his recent interview with HipHopDX, the purveyor of punany raps, Too Short, addressed allegations that he had encouraged the sexual assault of young girls with his recent “Fatherly Advice” video message to young boys.

But also during that discussion, Short Dog delved deeper into why so many may have come to think that Hip Hop’s original mack is nothing more than a perverse individual, due in part to the content of his songs abruptly shifting into strictly sexually explicit material beginning around the mid-‘90s. Short candidly revealed why after his early ‘90s releases there were no socially-conscious songs on his albums ala “Trying To Come Up” from his just-released 19th studio effort, No Trespassing. The pioneering West Coast artist explained not only how his recording home of 20 years, Jive Records, prevented him from continuing to release songs about poverty, the effects of drug addiction and police brutality that had become the counterbalance to his “Freaky Tales,” but Short also shared his theory that all the major labels conspired to keep conscious Hip Hop off the radio airwaves.  

Short concluded his stroll down memory lane by explaining how the ATL led to the demise of his Dangerous Crew, how the Bay Area legend actually helped to set off the South’s commercial dominance in Hip Hop, and why he owes a debt of gratitude to Lil Jon for extending his now 30-year tenure in the Rap game.

 

HipHopDX: I selected “I Want To Be Free” for the “10 Most Powerful Videos In Hip Hop History” editorial I did for DX a couple months back. I noted in my write-up about the video that you never really resumed your role of reporter of societal ills after “I Want To Be Free,” instead choosing to comprise your content almost entirely of Cocktails. Why did you shift away from doing heavier songs like that, “The Ghetto,” etc.?  

Too Short: In the mid-‘90s when Death Row Records emerged to be like the hottest – no doubt about it on the West Coast – music around at the time, particularly with the Dr. Dre album, [The Chronic], Snoop Dogg’s debut album, [Doggystyle] and Tha Dogg Pound album, [Dogg Food], at that time I’m getting ready to make the album Cocktails and I moved to Atlanta …. I’m moving to Atlanta and things aren’t in my life, things aren’t the same as in Oakland. I’m leaving Oakland during a very, very, very hostile era, where there’s a major drug war going on between a lot of guys that I’ve known for years and years who are killing each other.

I’m rappin’ this pimp image but I’m also – In all of my early albums with Jive [Records], they all had lots of songs that weren’t about sex, that didn’t have curse words in ‘em, and I would pick subjects like crack cocaine, poverty and police harassment and rap about it. When I got to Atlanta in the mid-‘90s, Death Row’s emerging, Bad Boy [Records is] hittin’ and we’re just about to enter the bling bling era. And Hip Hop is in a mood where it’s like I’m rich now, I got money.

And, I’m not gonna blame this on anybody, but I was actually being pushed into a direction where I would talk to people at Jive [Records], I would go talk to the President, Barry Weiss, and he was like – I always wanted to do these [side] projects like the E-40 duet album, which was one they never would let me do. Jive would never let me and E-40 do an album together. They kept making excuses and so it never got done. I also wanted to do an album that was filled with songs like “The Ghetto,” “Life Is…Too Short,” “Money In The Ghetto,” “I Want To Be Free.” I wanted to do a whole album of positive Too Short songs, just to keep that balance. I had made a verbal deal with Barry Weiss, where he was like, “Right now would be the perfect time, you should do like the raunchiest Too Short album ever – the album cover, the songs, just do a dirty fuckin’ Too Short album.” This is the executive running the company advising me to put out an entire album of just cursing and sex.

So I’m like, “If I did that I’d have to then do the exact opposite and follow-up that with an album that’s all positive.” And so, I did the album for him, we did You Nasty. I thought it was a funny idea at first - we had like a porn star on the cover, I’m naked, the girls are naked and we really did a butt-naked photo shoot. And it got a gold album and all that stuff. But when it came time to do the positive album, it was never a good idea. It never got the green light. Once I did what they wanted, they would never let me do what I wanted.

I started noticing at that time in Hip Hop that the labels were actually signing the artists and promoting the artists who would bring in just the negative messages: let’s have sex, drop ya booty. We getting off into Crunk now, the bling bling is out there … it’s going down. It was a new swag and everybody wanted to brag about – Rap has always been about bragging, but everybody wanted to brag about the millions. And I noticed that at a certain point in Hip Hop the major labels stopped signing and promoting the positive artists, the ones that was just really positive. Positive images were hard to get out there. So I’m just saying that at some point it wasn’t that Hip Hop changed on its own, it had a little push. I’m a real conspiracy theorist, and I just feel like there had to be a gathering of the major labels and somebody had to say like, “Look, we gotta keep this positive shit off the airwaves and let this booty-shaking shit take over. It’s time.” And after that it’s like the floodgates just opened with sex and violence.

And it was on the radio! You couldn’t get Too Short songs on the radio back in the early days. But now I’m saying “Shake That Monkey” – the song is literally saying shake your vagina – and it gets played on the radio. C’mon man.

DX: While I’m asking severely dated questions here …. I don’t know if it was a record label conspiracy or a personal choice, but I spoke to Shorty B back in late ’08 after his stroke and he said of you, “It seems like he has forgotten what got him to where he’s at. … He keep making these records with all these, ya know, Lil Jon and all that, that’s all cool and shit, but they ain’t us.” Do you have any regrets about your Crunk-era catalog and breaking away from Ant Banks, Shorty B and the rest of The Dangerous Crew and their live-music street symphony?

Too Short: Atlanta was the only thing that really broke that chemistry up.

The elements of what made Shorty The Pimp, Get In Where You Fit In, Cocktails and Gettin’ It – Pee Wee played keyboards and he was like a fuckin’ Bernie Worrell, Jr. from Parliament. Ant Banks played a lot of piano, but he would be the main one programming the drums and he would mix all the songs and Banks would come with these clever little samples we’d be using. Shorty B played guitar and bass. And I would come in and do the vocals – sometimes we’d get somebody to sing on it. But I would come in and do my vocals and then me and Ant Banks would sit there and figure out how we’re gonna edit all this stuff together and arrange the instruments and stuff. And we’d make these wonderful fuckin’ songs.

When we moved to Atlanta we moved as a unit, everybody came. I don’t know who left first, but Ant Banks and Pee Wee – Ant Banks, for his life, he had to get back to the Bay. He married the woman that he was in love with, and they had kids, they had a big house. So he had to get back. If he would have stayed in Atlanta he would have never had that life that he wanted so much with her. And Pee Wee, he basically just didn’t wanna live in Atlanta. So now it’s just me and Shorty B in Atlanta – this is probably during the Gettin’ It album. Banks wasn’t really here but he still mixed all the albums, he still did beats for ‘em, we still kept it going but it was kinda like drifting away.

So I don’t really see it as me breaking away, I see it as me going into – well I call that a certain Too Short era. Before I linked up with Ant Banks, Pee Wee and Shorty B, there was a whole different era. I was in that muthafucka making the beats myself. I can name you so many beats that I made myself off of Born To Mack, Life Is…Too Short and Short Dog’s In The House, before I got to the Shorty The Pimp album. And, to me that was a different era, just like when I used to rap off instrumentals and make little raggedy beats in my room and I never had put a record out that was a different era. I had eight years of a career before I even saw any fame outside of the Bay. I was famous in the Bay for eight years before that. And I look at that as like an era of my career. I look at the Shorty B, Ant Banks, Pee Wee years as an era.

I look at the move to Atlanta as another era. When I got with Lil Jon and we did the original version of “Bia Bia,” which was “You Just A Bitch.” And it was so fuckin’ dirty – Lil Jon had a song out called “I Like Dem Girlz,” and on the B-side there was a song called “You Just A Bitch,” and it was getting more action in the streets than the A-side. So he was like, “Man, we gotta find a way to clean this shit up.” And that was the birth of “Bia Bia.” They put Ludacris on it and it was outta there. That was probably his first huge hit.  

Right around that same time we had did “Couldn’t Be A Better Player” [from the Nationwide: Independence Day compilation in 1998]. That’s the first song that me and Lil Jon did together. It was a totally crunk song in the early days of Crunk, when the word had barely even got out there. When people used to talk about Atlanta Rap, and how Atlanta changed the shit and how the South was coming in, I was like, “Damn, I was right there.” They’ll never mention my name, but I was right the fuck there helping that movement find its way. I was a major part of it.

That song, “Couldn’t Be A Better Player,” was a major turning point in my life. Lil Jon took me to this little-ass club, 559, and sat me at a table and didn’t tell me what the fuck was going on. I assumed that he was going to tell me to watch what the crowd does when the song comes on. So, sure enough, the song comes on and the people go crazy. Lil Jon was like, “Check this out” and they go crazy just on the fuckin’ first note. The song takes a long time to come on, and just the sound of the 808 coming on they knew what it was and the crowd gets in a frenzy. So I was like, “Yeah, this is kind of what I was expecting.” Then it gets halfway through the song where Lil Jon used to have this signature breakdown, where the song gets kind of violent and shit and the whole fuckin’ mood of the song changes into like some angry shit, and muthafucka that song came on – “What’s up fuck nigga, what’s up?” – and I looked around and it went from people going crazy out of they minds to people fucking losing it. And he was like, “That’s what I wanted you to see.”

That turning point in my life was because I had never seen a party going crazy and hearing my voice at the same time. I never made party songs before that. And the only way I can describe it is the shit is infectious. I found a new lane where instead of it having to be Shorty The Pimp or Shorty the prophet, poet, whatever the hell you wanna call it, the “I Want To Be Free” Too Short, it turned into like some let’s have fun with Uncle Short. I almost kind of adopted parts of Luke Skywalker’s persona. It was working for me through Lil Jon. And he was doing it for Ying Yang [Twins], E-40 jumped in on the bandwagon later on and he got a few Lil Jon songs …. And if you ask E-40, what did those Lil Jon party beats do for your career? It was like a fuckin’ extension chord. Lil Jon and that party shit extended my career. Lil Jon produced “Shake That Monkey” and he produced “Blow The Whistle” and from those two songs alone I got a hell of a extra run. I’m not even sure if I would be here right now trying to make album number 19, album number 20, if it wasn’t for the Lil Jon affiliation from 1995 to 2005, however long we were affiliated making a lot of songs. To me it was a no-brainer why I had to go with that movement.

I’m in a mood right now though where it’s like I truly cannot put this thing down and walk away from it until I make that one album that I told you about, the positive Too Short album. I gotta make it just ‘cause that’s me. It’s in me. And I would feel totally like I missed something if I didn’t do that. Just like I feel like not going to a Black college and marching in the marching band – that was my dream as a child, and not doing it has always bothered me. Always. I wanted to go to Grambling [State University] or somewhere and march and I didn’t do it. So this is another one of those situations.           

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158 Comments

  • eatertreater

    that was a trip

  • Capnsaveemm

    The Illumanati is not fictional. The greatest trick the devil ever did was to convince people he doesn't exist. Just because you aren't paranoid doesn't mean their not out to get you.

  • Anonymous

    Now this is conscious rap http://sychopath.bandcamp.com/

  • Uncle Tiny

    I am and have always been a Too Short fan. Do your thang, positive or not, but do it. Which label are you riding with now?

  • HipHopDontLoveMeNoMore

    Lets Put An End To This!! www.hiphopdontlovemenomore.com

  • Anonymous

    record companys and radio stations are playing that bullshit pop music , girly gay techno crap , music is dumb now period underground hip hop rules

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  • Yay

    The only conspiracy is how people like him use media sensationalism to feed their own shallow vanity while smart business people step back and make a buck off these illiterate morons. All this HipHop nonsense is for ghetto yokels and trailer park junkies with IQ's below 90.

    • Capnsaveemm

      @Yay - Well from what I read Too $hort say and his opinion of the music, you couldn't be more wrong. It sounds like he wasn't too happy with what Jive records was making him push but he had a contract. Anyone with basic reading and comprehension skills would have been able to pick this up. I guess your IQ is the one under 90 since you missed Too $hort's explanation. I've copied n pasted the main points from the article with his thoughts on this. Try READING what i selected below and see if you comprehend it this time. Too $hort is hardly illiterate eithe. I guess you've never heard him give an interview. For the record, many people listen to hip hop. This includes business people, CEOs, college professors, college students, doctors, lawyers, policemen, firemen, military and elected government officials. Your prejudice and stereotyping couldn't be more wrong. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Short candidly revealed why after his early 90s releases there were no socially-conscious songs on his albums ala Trying To Come Up from his just-released 19th studio effort, No Trespassing. The pioneering West Coast artist explained not only how his recording home of 20 years, Jive Records, prevented him from continuing to release songs about poverty, the effects of drug addiction and police brutality that had become the counterbalance to his Freaky Tales, but Short also shared his theory that all the major labels conspired to keep conscious Hip Hop off the radio airwaves. Im rappin this pimp image but Im also In all of my early albums with Jive [Records], they all had lots of songs that werent about sex, that didnt have curse words in em, and I would pick subjects like crack cocaine, poverty and police harassment and rap about it. And, Im not gonna blame this on anybody, but I was actually being pushed into a direction where I would talk to people at Jive [Records], I would go talk to the President, Barry Weiss, and he was like I always wanted to do these [side] projects like the E-40 duet album, which was one they never would let me do. Jive would never let me and E-40 do an album together. They kept making excuses and so it never got done. I also wanted to do an album that was filled with songs like The Ghetto, Life IsToo Short, Money In The Ghetto, I Want To Be Free. I wanted to do a whole album of positive Too Short songs, just to keep that balance. I had made a verbal deal with Barry Weiss, where he was like, Right now would be the perfect time, you should do like the raunchiest Too Short album ever the album cover, the songs, just do a dirty fuckin Too Short album. This is the executive running the company advising me to put out an entire album of just cursing and sex. So Im like, If I did that Id have to then do the exact opposite and follow-up that with an album thats all positive. And so, I did the album for him, we did You Nasty. I thought it was a funny idea at first - we had like a porn star on the cover, Im naked, the girls are naked and we really did a butt-naked photo shoot. And it got a gold album and all that stuff. But when it came time to do the positive album, it was never a good idea. It never got the green light. Once I did what they wanted, they would never let me do what I wanted. I started noticing at that time in Hip Hop that the labels were actually signing the artists and promoting the artists who would bring in just the negative messages: lets have sex, drop ya booty. We getting off into Crunk now, the bling bling is out there its going down. It was a new swag and everybody wanted to brag about Rap has always been about bragging, but everybody wanted to brag about the millions. And I noticed that at a certain point in Hip Hop the major labels stopped signing and promoting the positive artists, the ones that was just really positive. Positive images were hard to get out there. So Im just saying that at some point it wasnt that Hip Hop changed on its own, it had a little push. Im a real conspiracy theorist, and I just feel like there had to be a gathering of the major labels and somebody had to say like, Look, we gotta keep this positive shit off the airwaves and let this booty-shaking shit take over. Its time. And after that its like the floodgates just opened with sex and violence.

  • Stacey

    If You are reading this Short, I thought I was the only person on the face of the earth that felt that way about hiphop. Self Destruction was the last real positive song for the hiphop heads out there. And by that I mean people who had listened to it when it first started. But brother, it's all in the plan of the NWO ( New World Order). Being a true conspiracy theorist myself I can see where this just like cointelpro is something used to keep us (black people)in a certain state of mind. I will definatley purchase and I mean go in the store not download a positive cd by you. I attended a show you gave in Charlotte, NC back in the early 90's when Life is too Short and Freakytales was out. Keep doing your thing brother and always keep your eyes and your mind open.

  • Sensaye252

    Hip-Hop is the one of the most lucrative business in modern America, and maybe the most influential genre in America. It is absolutely foolish, naive, and unreasonable to think that the US government isn't monitoring and doing everything in their power to control it. Some of you talk about Hip-Hop as if it's something that is too small for the government to pay attention to, as if they have bigger fish to fry. Hip-Hop has been scultping the social urban landscape of the country for over 20 years, and has made it's way into the suburbs, the rural areas, and even the elite areas and into the homes of these politicians and governers. It is a BILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS created by black people. You don't think the government is concerned with that? What country do you think you live in?

    • $ykotic

      actually...if you do research on WW2...and Hitler...government INFLUENCES the recording industry and Hollywood...propaganda can be used at ANY time...not just for war purposes...good reading peoples... 1

    • Renzo rollin

      Nothing to do with the government. It's records companies knowing that people first and foremost like to be entertained by music. Something to dance to, and some exciting stories on tape bout bitches sucking dick. Most people don't like deep music that makes them think about problems in the world. They just wanna dance. Record companies know this.

    • Anonymous

      No ones denying that, its quiet obvious with the trash there force feeding us. Its just that the often I feel the extent to which they do 'control' it is over-exaggerated and just turns into an major conspiracy theory.

  • jack johnson

    lol then after this he goes and releases his new video called "Porno Bitch" wtf??

  • Rap Music

    Too short is just saying all of this to try and help him sell more records.

  • gaetarick

    Wow ... never knew this side of $hort. I always thought of myself as being too mature for Too $hort albums and always wonder WTH with the same topic for all these years. Why his content didn't seem to get old for him. I'm impressed ... make that positive album, you owe it to yourself.

    • chitown

      @gaetarick- I've been listening to Short since Freaky Tales and this is the side that drew me to him. I always hated the fact that he stopped making songs like The Ghetto, Money in The Ghetto, or Gettin' It. People who thought he was a one trick pony never even acknowledged he had another side. If you've never heard that side just look up Gettin' it on youtube, it's one of these most positive and real raps you'll ever hear.. It's still relevant. I hope he get's to make that positive album because he's got a lot of game to give to those who want to hear it.

  • thehelljhn

    would be nice if too short actually took more responsibility for his lyrics, ie. he IS the one who is writing them at the end of the day.

    • Capnsaveemm

      You don't know what your talkin about. Too $hort signed with Jive back in 1987 or 1988. He used to be able to do positive music then they stopped. Did you NOT READ what he said? Barry Weiss pushed him to do dirty and nasty with the false promise he could do positive. Did you knowPrince explained why he couldn't do what he wanted and why he changed his name to a symbol for years until his contract expired? It was about creative control. Too $hort could have insisted on a positive Albulm but then the record company doesn't have to promote it either. Then he drops off as an artist and he is released. Yes a Talib Kaweli makes positive music but he didn't have the record sales of Too $hort or Snoop or Dr. Dre. The only one I saw make a good balance of street and positive was Ice Cube but he was with another label.

    • Anonymous

      Lol he thinks he's smart, hes using it as an excuse (if you can even call it that). Why can Talib kweli talk about the hood and he doesn't. At the end of the day you sign the contact so I know when rapper like tooo short try to find an excuse, because they say it oh the contract they got. Fuck that you signed the contract not us, plus if Too short knows it's harder to 'speak the truth' under certain labels why would he sign to them?

  • Anonymous

    What we need is conscious and political record label, made by the artists, not by white riches. With artists like the coup, immortal technique, lowkey (check him out, he really speaks the truth), paris, etc and make it big in the internet and the streets. Young people build the future, so we need to spread the message of revolution to the teenagers. BTW there is a youtube channel with this idea, called globalfaction, there is a lot of interesting stuff.

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  • Anonymous

    its very refreshing to see some level head people in the hip hop community. fuck that conspiracy bullshit. pac was on point when he said killuminati. time to stop blaming fictional entities for all our problems and take responsibility for our own futures. there's still hope.

    • Capnsaveemm

      The Illumanati are not fictional. The greatest trick the devil ever did was convincing people he doesn't exist. Just because you aren't paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. Simply because you don't believe something doesn't mean it's not real.

  • HIPHOPHEAD

    Wait for Jay Electronica's debut and everyone will want to hear conscious hip-hop. I love the positive intelligent stuff and we all need that Act II album to drop soon. But if his album never comes out, we will know why. He is on a major label and they don't want the masses thinking for themselves. They have all these ignorant rappers teaching the youth to chase money, women, and fame. WE NEED A CONSCIOUS MOVEMENT!

  • kush416

    too short is the fuckin man mad respect from this interview

  • chris722

    Is he trying to reinvent himself? If he isn't he should just go somewhere and shut up about it instead of coming out as a hypocrite. I would love to hear some conscious rap from Too Short. But somehow, I don't feel that I am going to.

  • piffy

    I cant help but feel like Short is talking about this kind of thing now after the backlash from his 'pimpin' video a few weeks back. But its nice to hear him talking about it, anyway.

    • blackgeekgirl

      i agree. too little. too late. why didn't he make a video about this first instead of that 'fatherly advice' assault teen girls BS? guess it becomes habit once you're paid to 'coon'. smh.

  • Earth

    haha why r people actin like this is new?! haha turn on the radio and it shows you that. but were not gonna fix this simply by talking about this. we need to take action.. fuck. its as simple as not listenin to the radio. stop supporting mtv and black exploitation television. most importantly start community movements that support minds, longevity...etc. help spark a REVOLUTION god knows every knowledgeable person understands how corrupt this country is. Fuck the white rich man and those white kids who support radio music because they think its "cool" to kill, get rich, get a bitch.. but who am i? u cats wont listen to me. ull wait till things get progressively worse. stop being being lazy. true hip hop is still out there u just gotta dig.

  • RT

    This isin't news. Anyone who thinks critically about hip hop should understand this.

  • X Factor

    Damn brothers. This is the conversations we need. The power is in our hands. F*ck being second all the time, f*ck being the butt of someone's jokes, f*ck being disproportionately represented negatively in the media, WE ARE MEN! The Chinese are about to dominate this century, when is our time? Why do we have to be the bigger person, turn the other cheek, why do we have to conform to get ahead, cut off our dreads, f*ck that shit. We forgot to be competitive like men, to want more than rims, a name on the block and crown for being the best rapper. We can be great too, it is our right.

    • Hannibal

      I partially agree with you. It is however not our right. We have to earn greatness. We simply lost our work ethic and are for sale for a dollar. the reason the "Chinese" are taking over, actually China, the country is taking over is due to geopolitical and socioeconomic reasons. The world is a big business and youre witnessing a corporate takeover. The world is not a big musical chair or a merry go round and everyone get their chance to rule. We were so down for so long that many freedom fighters and activists came along to boost our collective self esteem. black and proud, black is beautiful, black love, cream of the earth, last shall be first. The thing is we forgot about last shall be first and now think last SHOULD be first which is lying to ourselves. Everything you talk about I agree with, but you dont have to conform when you are the norm and you become the norm when you get power, and you get power not through slogans and delusions of grandeur but by investing in yourself and your people and never selling out, never giving up. You might not get any reward or recognition for it, but in the end we're all better for it.

  • Anonymous

    Cube wasn't taken out. He sold out. And wisely so. He was a different person in those Death Certificate days. Even then I bet half of that was for show. No different than what he did with NWA. Give people what they want. The bad guy. When he realized there was more to being successful than being perceived this way, he came up big time.

    • Anonymous

      Cube left cause of the financial shady shit that was going on with eazy & mr heller. He went to new york to work with Public Enemy

  • Hannibal

    Regardless of different opinions people may have, its refreshing to see the comment sections filled with intelligent thoughts rather than just the usual hate and sarcastic rants. Everyone seems to love Hip Hop, however they define it. I saw my comments before ruffled a couple of feathers, just answering to whoever. 1- nobody blames record labels. Definitely not me. Dogs bark, birds fly and record labels screw people out of royalties and sell records. That's what they do and they do it well. it's not their job to preserve artist integrity. It's the artist's. If you put your hand in the fire why say it burns. You knew that already. Guys like Too Short were some of the few who were successful on their own, a pioneer of the indie do it yourself out the trunk game so he was one of the few who could call the shots. He chose not to. For him to come out and be the spokesperson now is hypocritical. Let Lakim Shabazz or Poor Righteous Teachers, (conscious rappers who stuck to their guns and went down with the conscious ship when the era ended, and refused to change to whatever was the new thing) talk about being suppressed. Too Short gladly put that conscious shit aside. 2- Even though its being suppressed it doesnt mean its not being somewhat promoted. Someone named Outkast and Common and whatever as proof that record labels do promote those artists. They do because theyre in the business of selling and there is a market out there. You want whiskey? they sell whiskey? You want coke? they got original and diet? you want water they got that too..eight different kinds. They are in the business of selling. The difference is the amount of money they invest and how conscious you're allowed to be. 3- someone mentionned NWA and it further underscores my point. Straight Out of Compton was a conscious album. The brothers said fuck the police and respect yourself but the mainstream just heard angry black males dressed in black so the record label wanted to bottle that edge. Like that wyclef skit on the carnival "More hardcore!" so the next album, they stripped away the conscious message and there were more curses, it was hypersexual and extra violent. Go listen to the two albums back to back and see the difference. Some say it was Cube leaving but its actually the label investing and redirecting creative control. Guys like Too Short and Dr. Dre took the check and were down for whatever. The reason why Dre said it was detox and the first single was named Kush is because its hard to go against a brand. 4- White kids in the comment sections are always quick to say its not about race and when a black person makes a comment they are so paranoid they jump in calling people racist and saying its not about color, when it absolutely is. That further highlights the point i was making below about entering the culture and dictating what people say. a rapper who you support will stop speaking his mind to not offend the white kids, which will dilute the product and take away what attracted white kids to it in the first place. America is more of a classist country than a racist one, but people see class in terms of race. Most often the lower class people are black and the upper middle class and rich are white. Hip hop came from the disenfranchised so race is not only a factor, it is THE FACTOR. It fueled many stories of pain you bobbed your head and danced to over the years. 5- As far as homie with the zimbabwe comment, i feel you bro, but things change, chalk it up to good times in your childhood, fond memories, bump the classics and move on, HipHop is not what it used to be, it got too big and never will come back to just being a black thing 6- Finally as far as 2pac. The government didnt kill 2pac. The government doesnt care who killed 2pac or millions of 2pacs out there. thats the difference. I heard Eazy E's son say the government killed his dad!! crazy take your head out of hip hop and look around the world at real freedom fighters that put their lives on the line everyday. 2pac was not that, as much as i love him. He was the son of panthers that came up during a conscious era so he was educated. He was an optimist and spoke his heart but to think he was going to unify anything is ridiculous. the government was gonna take him out because he made some songs with the Boot Camp click? come on man. Most of his olive branches were extended from bridges he burned. He couldnt start a gang truce in Oakland, much less across the US. 2pac had a big mouth like many of us in our young age, (im guilty also), add the money, the women, then weed, and yes men and its a recipe for disaster. The police covered it up because it exposed that they had crooked cops on the payroll on some murder for hire shit, and after the la riots and the OJ verdict, they didnt want any extra urban drama on the west coast. For all those that say Pac was too young to realize his full potential, read up on Fred Hampton. You knew where he stood. 2pac caressed you with one hand and slapped you with the other. As great an artist as he was people making him a messiah are just falling for these labels trying to sell is posthumous catalog one last time.

    • Anonymous

      Word to Hannibal. Like pac said, kill that illuminati shit. you fools have no idea what yr talkin about.

    • Hannibal

      Thanks for the kind words hater. The thing is, anonymous, the internet activist group, is more like an anonymous vigilante operation that outs perpetrators and raid the channels of communication like a pirate radio. that is sometimes effective and We can do that of course but We need to own the channels. Its not that hard. Actually its easier than ever. Trying what anonymous is doing on these rap sites will only get you banned my moderators and all this other bullshit. I remember when the Source was really big and innovative. When the mind squad over there felt like they were being muzzled they went over to rappages which was the most intellectual rap magazine ive ever seen and have never seen anything like it since. All im saying is who is catering to that market. Obviously, by the number of comments on here, people are starved for this form of conversation, whether black or white, male or female and im sure people are tired of even commenting on sites when they end up arguing with someone whos making dick jokes all day. Hip Hop bred a whole generation of professionals and eventually parents and eventually grandparents that are not into getting talked down to by corporations and are sometimes even ashamed to say they still like hip hop. The reason we're all on hiphopdx is because, to my knowledge they do their best at catering to all and at least trying to cover all bases. But there's no magazine or site that is strictly for intelligent discussion. That has a different perspective than gossip and new releases. Not rhetoric, but discussion, where our outside experiences in life enhances the culture and we can sometimes chincheck some of these rappers and corporations that think we're stupid consumers with twenty bucks to spare. Whoever can start that site, or magazine, or tv show or whatever, will draw all the people with substance away pied piper style and leave these bottom feeders to themselves. and to the white poster that commented below, I commend your candor once again and you're the right type of fan. Im sure dead prez can convey their message about black empowerment, as bob marley could, without disrespecting you since the money you paid for the concert admission is feeding them and you shouldnt be disrespected or you can take the money elsewhere. The issue is that the stance a lot of white kids have always taken is that they purchase records and therefore can dictate HOW hip hop is made. If i like the knicks and i go see a game, its different then paying and jumping on the court and telling the players what move to make because i paid for a courtside seat. But blacks SHOULD go purchase music. We often take our own talents for granted and don't realize it until it slips away, as it already did

    • Notorious H.A.T.E.R.

      I like you Hannibal. You are a smart brother. We need to turn this into something larger. Look at anonymous, the internet activist group, they met through forums and enacted change. Respond back if you want to move forward.

    • Milehighkid303

      LET IT BE KNOWN FELLAS that eventhough Race plays a huge place here, I WAS NOT coming at blacks saying "go purchase" music. I'm think because my comment got removed these people at DX thought I was going the race route? Hmmmm. Not the case as I stated I GREW UP WITH MAD minorites, where I get offended is when I have a brother tell me, "what do u know about the struggle?" "this ain't for u it's our story" THE REASON HIP HOP CAME ABOUT WAS FOR THE PEOPLE! And to answer you Hannibal directly homie, I went to a DEAD PREZ concert when he was talking foul about whites and I still bumped his music because I'm smart enough to decipher the message. I listen and listened to all waives of hip hop. I'm almost 30 now so its fair to say I've been around long enough to hold a Lil weight. All I was saying is that Lil tennis hoppers have dictated what label heads push out, and what these artists say. At the end of the day I still will go support n artist and I make sure that whatever I can do to keep the culture alive I do. If ANYTHING bruh, this is a classist issue at this point rather than race. One my brother.

    • hannibal

      And as far as the illuminati, its just another game of messiahs and scapegoats. the powers that be will come to your house and foreclose it, send your kid off to a bad school, lay you off, ship you to jail. All in your face! where is the conspiracy. They tell you straight up. Rather than roll up your sleeve, accept accountability and confront complex and time consuming issues that may take decades to get out of, people rather say a special cartel is paying jay-z to say some secret fuckery on his records. don't listen to rap then. Dudes rather get on their soapbox and save the world, then take they kids to the library and save a child. These rappers know that and they play that David vs Goliath, corporate machine vs the messiah game all the type. Read up on the real illuminati and any secret society in world history and realize they couldnt give a fuck about what you ghetto ass niggas listen to.

  • Anonymous

    To be honest, it's not that the music is too positive...it's some emcees who got bars that's too clever for drop outs and dumb teenagers to grasp. Dumb it down to sex, drugs, and guns....even the dumbest person can catch on. The exects kno what niccaz like. God forbid you learn something...lol. It's a terror alert if we start thinking too much. We might get a job if we pick up a book.....nooooo...don't put that on the radio.

  • Anonymous

    Good to hear Short talking about bring soul food to the ears...so far it's been junk candy. Check me out... Black Exodus "Diamonds" Youtube Consciousnesses at it's finest.

  • Anonymous

    he might be saying this because he just got in trouble for instructing middle school boys how to finger young girls... just... THROWING that out there. "it's not my fault." didn't hip-hop dx JUST do an interview with him about how people take "the character too-short" too seriously? didn't he JUST fucking say that was a part of his stage persona, but he's not like that in real life? not buying it, too short. sorry.

  • Anonymous

    illuminati conspiracy theorists are jerking it to this article.

  • Anonymous

    right... they "pushed" him to be nasty, which is why he insists on making public appearances with large groups of attractive women only. poor, poor too short. he's so brave.

  • Huey Newton

    INDUSTRY RULE #4080!!!!

  • Glockless

    was? erm.. uh erm....

  • Anonymous

    Sensaye, you need to sober up my friend. Your ranting is becoming dangerous, and might be detrimental to the cyber youth of our fine country. That said, what could the government possibly gain by having 2pac taken out? If were using that logic, why not take out Eminem? Dre? Cube? Ice T? MC Serch (that white rapper show was dangerous). Point being, often times, people in high positions love these gangsta rappers. Their kids love them. Now if you said the police, then that would make more sense, even though in that case, you'd still only be talking about a small percentage of dirty cops who saw a payday, and thought why not? What's one, or two dead rappers? Thousands more will take their place.

    • Sensaye252

      The difference between 2pac and the other rappers you named is that they didn't have the influence Pac had, nor did they have the attributes that Pac had. Pac wasn't just some angry weed head as some of you have described him as. Yes, Pac was a young man who had his shortcoming like everyone else. But Pac also possessed a certain mixture of passion, intelligence, political awareness, fearlessness, and sincerity that was capable of awakening something in young people. I don't know how old you are, or where you're from, but I know that when I was in High School, Pac could have called for a million man march and there would have been a million people there. MC Serch and Eazy E or whoever else you named were not capable nor were they interested in organizing any kind of movement. I think you're making a mistake by thinking the government doesn't 'care' or 'isn't worried' about an influential black leader. Of course they care. They've attempted to or have destroyed every and anyone who has tried to be a black leader in the last 100 years. I'm sober homey, but even when I wasn't, I was never so blind that I couldn't see the truth right in front of my face. Peace.

    • Anonymous

      Actually Cube was taken out. I far from on some illuminati shit, but I've always wonder why Cube made a complete switch after the LA uprisings. Death Certificate was his master piece and predator was just too hard and these albums came directly before and after the riots. Then cube went straight gangsta and hollywood after that. I truly believe the fed thought he was a threat because EVERYTHING he spoke on on the Death Certificate came true in the riots and maybe they thought he would have some sort of influence on the people. I think they(the feds) went to Cube afterwards and said you can either live and make millions of dollar if you change ur message or keep preaching black awareness/self suffeciency and die.

  • Anon To You

    We are moving into an age where the PEOPLE will have the power. Look around you, the world is changing. If the industry WON'T let us heal, and bring some BALANCE to OUR music - then we have to. I know CONSCIOUS Hip Hop can sell. We have enough black figure heads, we have no excuse. Do not let them bury us.

  • Anonymous

    It's not just the radio stations, it's the people wanting to hear this bullshit. It's sad too. I mean where I live all my friends listen to all this negative shit. Then you show them something not about selling crack, murder, or bitches, and it ain't cool. It's like "Bitch you are a white kid in Bum Fuck Florida, you ain't like that, you want to be real listen to something real." But nah I'm the wack ass because sometimes A Tribe Called Quest is better to smoke to than Gucci.

  • John-Boy

    While I definetly agree that record companies are a major part of the garbage music that gets forced down peoples throats and this music is getting progressively worse and more damaging, I do not agree that labels should get 100 percent of the blame. It is the consumers that call radio stations demanding to hear this dumbed down music that should get a share of the blame also. The lack of mass education also makes this type of music more appealing because it is very easy to digest and requires no thought at all. Most people would rather hear Future repeatedly scream "Voila, Magic" as opposed to hearing Lupe spit a double enteandre that would require some type of brain activation to understand. When rappers are judged more for their beat selection and hooks than they are for the quality of there rap lyrics what do you expect?

  • mgruppe.com

    nwa called it "reality rap", the media created "gangsterrap"

  • Benny Dub

    Damn! Y'all r goin' hard in the C-section! There are some good point being made on both sides, but I don't agree that the "conscious" rap was just a trend. Somebody in here blamed the end of conscious rap on N.W.A., but you CAN NOT tell me that Straight Outta Compton didn't have a "conscious" message. "Express Yourself", "Fuck tha Police", "Dopeman"? They weren't about bitches and hoes, and they were against drugs. "I still express, yo I don't smoke weed or cess/ cuz it's known to give a brotha brain damage/and brain damage on the mic don't manage..." Anybody know who dropped this line? Pretty ironic, right? Tupac was conscious! Gang Starr was conscious! Pete Rock & CL dropped knowledge all over "Mecca" but still had a track called "Skinz." Brand Nubian? BDP? When was the last time somebody dropped something like Cube's "Us" track? I think the real tell in this whole thing, though, is in the female emcees. MC Lyte & Queen Latifah gave way to Foxy & Lil Kim, and now we have Minaj. Lyte and Latifah were EMCEES, not just a piece of ass. Lil Kim bragged about shoving a coke bottle up her coochie, and who knows what the fuck Nikki Minaj is doing. Fuck - her name is even sexual. It is pretty obvious - dope artists across the spectrum used to make diverse albums with varied content. Party joints - straight spittin - braggadocio - conscious - maybe a little weed smoke - but ALL on the same album. Now, if it isn't about partying, selling dope or pimpin hoes, you have to dig underground to find it. The mainstream radio rap is a caricature aimed at 14-year-old girls, and they don't know and don't care who Guru was, who Tupac was. They don't want to hear about "Life of a child in the ghetto." Little Brother dropped "The Minstrel Show" - how many people even understood their message? Shame...

    • Your Opinion Means Nothing

      "The Minstrel Show", the best album of 2005, along with "Be" by Common. Remember when Bun B tried to attack Little Brother on the name of this album, only to end up collaborating with them on their "Separate But Equal" mixtape?

    • John-Boy

      EXCELLENT point! HipHop truely has become the reimagining of the Minstrel show. Rappers get on stage and display every negative stereotype possible about blacks that they can. They do this mostly for white peoples entertainment. Its so obvious its funny. Well you know what they. Those who dont know their history are doomed to repeat it. HipHop is repeating shit that we fought to get rid of during the Civil war era. Damn.

  • SoulSeeker

    Whaaat... Dude's a hypocrite man. He could've done whatever he wanted now. He could've gone independent now, if the label was a problem. But the new album's still full of bullshit lol

  • Sensaye252

    This conversation can't be had without mentioning a very significant part of this whole situation. And that is, the murder of 2Pac. I know some people are still under the impression that Pac's killing was merely a cold blooded gang related shooting. You're right, it was a gang, but not the kind of gang you're thinking of. Those gang bangers may have been used as instruments in the killing of 2Pac, but the murder was orchestrated by a hidden hand. That hidden hand was the US Government. I know that recently a lot of the illuminati talk has gone pop and gotten out of control, so I don't want to turn you off with clandestine images and shit, but believe me when I tell you that there is a branch of government that focuses on controlling Hip-Hop and controlling urban influence. 2Pac was in the midst of creating a EAST/WEST allegiance and movement that was not just intended for rappers, but for all people in the hood. 2Pac was on the verge of becoming the next great leader for black people and poor people. Pac was murdered not only to stop any such movement from happening, but also to show other rappers "Look, if you get out of line and wander too far off the plantation, this is what will happen to you". The rest of the rap game heard that shit loud and clear and never went in that direction again. This is nothing new. Whether we're talking about the bombing of black wall street in 1921, the murder of Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, the murder of 2Pac, or the character assassination of Michael Jackson(and believe me its no coincidence that he died after becoming an FOI). Fear has been instilled in potentially influential black icons to prevent them from empowering black people. I know many of you are turned off by this kind of rhetoric, and you close your eyes and plug your ears every time you hear it, because it's scary. But the truth is often scary. You still gotta look that shit in the face though. And the truth we're facing right now is that Hip-Hop, which was becoming an incredibly powerful tool and weapon for the black man in America, has been pried from our hands and replaced with filthy green paper. One.

    • Anonymous

      Strange enough he represented Westcoast and gets killed there in Vegas. Youd expected this to happen on the east Its strange but well never find out

    • Anonymous

      2pac, god bless him, was murdered because he was involved with gangsters and had a bad temper. shut up.

    • Your Opinion Means Nothing

      Damn... that's pretty heavy. But it wouldn't surprise me, though, considering how shady the government is anyway.

  • Anonymous

    But Watch This!!! http://youtu.be/OxVBn0zi6pw?hd=1

  • Anonymous

    Y'all people are quite right except from one thing. It's not a "whites vs blacks" war it's richs vs poors. Did Obama change anything? No, he's still invading countries like that Bush faggot. What we need is a fucking revolution, a violent revolution, not that occupy wallstreet bullshit.

    • tyi

      Listen there has been a lot of Obama hate being spewed out by right wing politicians and high up officials in America. Just read about some of the outrageous and rascist remarks made by people held in such high regards in modern history. We need to support our brother regardless because there's a large fraction of society that just do not want to see a black man in power

    • b.s.

      Whatever, this country was founded on white supremacy and privilege. Why will it change now because Obama is president (he isn't black by the way, his father is from Kenya and his mother is White, does he really share the history and culture of "black people" in America). Or is it supposed to end because some white person, who never been victimized by racism, declares that racism isn't over and doesn't exist. It's like the abusive husband telling his wife after her black eye heals to get over it and let bygones be bygones.

  • Truth Hurts

    BASICALLY WE NEED OUR OWN SHIT. IT IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE AN UPHILL BATTLE WHEN WE MAKE UP ONLY 12 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION. WHITES MAKE UP ROUGHLY 80 PERCENT AND THAT ALONG WITH THEIR ECONOMIC ADVANTAGE SKEWS EVERYTHING IN THEIR FAVOR. HIP-HOP IS GOING TO END UP LIKE ROCK AND ROLL. MARK MY WORDS. YOU SEE THE TRICKLE OF THESE WHITE RAPPERS, JUST WAIT AND WATCH, GIVE IT A DECADE AND IT'S GOING TO BE A FLOOD. BLACKS ARE NOT AS RACISTS AS SOME WHITES SO WE AREN'T GOING TO BAR THESE GUYS FROM TAKING A PART IN OUR CULTURE BUT IN ALL ACTUALITY THAT IS WHERE WE FAIL. THEY NEED OUR CO-SIGN AND ONCE WE GIVE IT OUT, IT'S JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED TO THE NATIVE AMERICANS. THE RED MAN WOKE UP AND THERE WERE 10 WHITES STARVING SO HE WAS NICE AND GAVE THEM FOOD. THE NEXT DAY IT WAS 20 AND THEY STARTED CONSUMING MORE, SO HE GAVE THEM SOME LAND, JUST TO BE HELPFUL. THE NEXT HE WOKE UP AND IT WAS 50 OF THEM ASKING FOR MORE LAND. 300 YEARS LATER THE RED MAN ONLY MAKES UP .01 PERCENT OF THE POPULATION. MARK MY WORDS. THERE IS ALWAYS NEGATIVE THINGS SAID ABOUT BLACKS, ASIANS, HISPANICS, ETC. BUT FOR SOME REASON NOBODY EVER TELLS THE TRUTH ABOUT WHITES. BE CAREFUL, SHIT, THEY RUN MOST OF THE HIP-HOP BLOGS ANWAY

  • Anonymous

    Short has a point but he also has his own mind. Yea, he wanted to do a positive album but had to make a dirty album first. That was his decision he's a man and money changed his decision PERIOD!! We all know the fatcats in the music industry did and continue to push bullshit in the listeners faces but it's up to the artist to change it as well as the fans. Three Six Mafia proves that you can make it indy for a long time and keep creative control. Short I feel what you are saying but it's a tad bit too late. Men do what they want boys do what they can. At that point Short could have sold those same positive albums out of his trunk made millions and single-handedly changed the entire shape of the hip hop industry. IJS.

  • Renzo rollin

    Shorty the Pimp gettin pimped by the jews. Rappers can talk like they pimps on record all they want, but the reality is they still ho's getting pimped by smart white businessmen.

  • Hypestyle

    $hort needs to record an album with Chuck D, KRS-One, Big Daddy Kane, Rakim, Ice Cube, Ice T, all the Golden Age gods, and put some political content on as well..

  • Anonymous

    Its fucking stupid when people want to point the finger at the messenger instead of embracing the message. You ignorant fuckers! Who cares when he should have said this and why he is saying it thats besides the point, you trying to distract what we need to focus on!

  • mgruppe.com

    I really feel Shortdawgs urge to drop some music with a message. The actual movement transported positive energy. Yeah, he pimped lyrics big time - and - it is better than getting signed to never release shit like Bishop Lamont, Stat Quo, the list goes on... The industry would sell shit in cans if it would bring money so I hope, that controversal Rappers like Short bring the change the youth needs. Dr. Dres Detox was also planned as actually DETOXING from all the weed, extacy, brew, blah - THEN Dre comes out with "Kush" because it brings money. At least we know: Hip-Hop lives without the industry, the industry cant live without Hip-Hop - especially the real ignorant, mindless dumb shit that little kids can repeat.

  • Anonymous

    Hasnt Common's Preachy,"Say your prayers and take your vitamins, Holier Then Thou" Positive Black man act been sponsored by Major Labels for over a decade?? Werent Outkast, Goodie Mob, Mos Def and tons of others who make positive music all signed to majors??? The major labels did everything they could to keep hardcore rap out of the limelight honestly, then NWA & The Geto Boys showed up on teeny tiny lil Indy labels and still sold Muti Platinum...... The Industry only bought in when they realied you cant stop what the people want and didnt wanna miss out on the money that was already being made without them And Too $hort is basically admitting that he's a sellout here regardless by saying he did what his label told him to do even tho he knew it was wrong People are always so bad to blame the "Big Bad Corprate Illuminati Machine", but they fail to realize that there just happens to be an appetite for the darker side of life out there, and if they dont sell it people will seek it out regardless...... ICP is the most succesful Indy act out there, sold over 15 million records and there a harrorcore act, with no help from a major label, the fans still seek them out, which part of the illuminati are you gonna blame for that one??

    • dj nemesis

      i blame icp getting put on WCW and beefing with eminem...thats a good way of promoting yourself without a major label...idc what you say, him sayin "major labels got together and decided" only proves more that this a network/society that makes decisions together an make money together an those decisions are booty music an that money is from brainwashed people...illuminati written all over it

    • Anonymous

      It;s not selling out when you are under contract, the label owns your ass. If you dont meet your end of the deal, they can sue you. For some reason, a lot of people think the artists can do whatever they want, release whatever they want, when they want. No. The lable is pulling ALL of the strings. I'm saying this because I was in 2short's shoes... took me damn near 3 years to get out of the contract. During that time, you cant do shit else thanks to an "exclusive" clause in the contract. Record labels are bullshit. YOU DONT NEED THEM! The label that I was with didn't do a damn thing that I couldn't have done on my own. The only thing you need a major label for is advertising dollars. But with a little work and persistance, you can get your own shit out there thanks to youtube, vemo, etc. If it's good enough, it will go viral, thus fuck a record label.

  • Hannibal

    Calling bullshit. This always happens whenever a black man sells his people and gets caught out there. He turns all militant. As someone said below, he's waiting until he's 47 to take a stand when he stood there for 30 years screaming bitch. These guys become caricatures of themselves for a check. Nobody forced you to get on the mic and say what you said. They just paid you for it, and that was enough. Shortdog took that caricature all the way to the bank where he couldnt even differentiate the character from himself, so when someone puts a mic to your face and asks you to give some advice to kids, you put your foot in your mouth and say some nonsense about pushing young girls against the wall. When your community backlash comes those same corporate pimps that put yo ass on the stroll closed their cadillac doors and kept it moving. Now you wanna expose somebody? you know the name of the game. Its up to you as an artist to fight to remain a well rounded human being that shows all facets of life. Bob marley had a party side, a love side, a militant side, etc.. Record companies will always try to strip you down. They want DMX to bark more.. They turn Lil Kim from a sexual hoodrat to a blowupi doll. Their job is to caricature you and sell you to the casual fan with the short attention span. Its the lowest common denominator theory. The more they strip you down the easier you are to digest. The more complex you are the more they have to promote you to a select few. So they prefer an empty headed pimp to a person candidly talking about prostitution in the community and many other things. They rather a steve urkel type slogan to put on a coffee mug, Yours was the word bitch. Thats why the songs are very hook driven. And whats the point of taking credit for three or four "Conscious" records at the beginning of a thirty year career. Could it be that that was just the trend of the area? could it be it was as much a fad to have a "conscious" record or a record "for the kids" as african medallions and raider hats were? Now all of a sudden highlighting two songs and everything else was the label telling the artist what to do. A grown ass man being told what to do..A real freaky tale of pimps and hoes that Too Short the rapper never dared speak about until it was too late.

    • Sensaye252

      Hannibal, well said, and spoken like a G. I not only agree with everything you said, but I'm refreshed by such an intelligent answer in this forum. One.

    • chronwell

      I see what Hannibal is saying and I agree. Guys were sellin rox with leather Africa medals on in '89! It WAS trendy at one point to be "positive". Thanx to guys like Barry Weiss and Jerry Heller and Jimmy Iovine and most importantly Dre, Ren, Eazy, Short and Luke that trend was shot down.

    • SCHWARZ

      WHAT POINT? I ASKED A QUESTION HOURS AGO AND GOT NO RESPONSE. DA FCUK IS U SAYIN' ? I C WHAT Y'ALL TYPIN', CAN U PROVE THRU ACTUAL FACTS THEM "CONSCIENCE RAPS" WERE DONE FOR THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR? SHOW AND PROVE.

    • Anonymous

      @SCHWARZ: Is it really the point right here?

    • Anonymous

      Good comment Hannibal. I agree with you 100%. A lot of times people seem to have this notion that all of the "conscience" records were done purely from the heart and not because of a trend. As I stated in my comment below entertainment is a business as well as a copy cat league. People made "politically charged" records at a time where it was the norm to do so. Now that it's not, what do you get? Don't get me wrong, I know some of the records, or probably a vast majority even, were made with the intent to exploit the plight of an oppressed, financially strapped faction of American society. But if it hadn't been fashionable/trendworthy to do so most artist wouldn't bother. Now as an advocate of progressive, more intimate, and introspective content in mainstream I believe...scratch that...I KNOW that the industry can push, promote, and sell with a high rate of return more social commentary in the music and turn the entire landscape on it's head. Even in this day and age where the avid and main stream of revenue hip hop consumer is a "caucasian from the suburbs" because truth be told we're all the same inside. Pain, strife, joy, depression, ego, pride, elation, humility, fear, etc. are things that every human being encounters and deals with. And moreso than being a rock star, or living life like one, those are more common denominators if I ever heard one.

    • SCHWARZ

      QWIK QUESTION, HOW LONG HAVE U BEEN LISTENING TO THE MUSIC? I'M WAITIN'

    • hannibal

      maybe you should read again bro.. been listening to hip hop a bit before you homie, im quite sure I know when the ghetto was written and recorded. Actually that's the point i was making (it was the era of conscious records) but circus comments do attract clowns so whos knows. Read better.

    • Anonymous

      CIRCUS COMMENT. "IN DA GHETTO" IS A CONSCIENCE RECORD AND THAT WAS DONE WAAAAAAYYYYYY BEFORE THIS INTERVIEW. DID U TYPE ALL OF THAT JUST TO HEAR THE KLICKETY-KLACK?

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  • Milehighkid303

    HHERES THE BOTTOM LINE FOR ALL YOU BALCK ASAIN AND MEXICAN FOLKS (with whom I grew up with more so than my own) US WHITE FOLKS (specifically teen girls n middle to late teen boys) buy the albums. THUS, the label heads who got news for you ain't all white (LA Ried, Russ, etc) will push the product the "majority" is purchasing. So, in short, cause we could go into alot of detail, there's not too many "white" people like myself who will actually purchase "hip hop" if u will n not care what the "masses" say. THE PEOPLE and the industry shut concious rap down. If u want the music to thrive demand it, DON'T download it. With that said I also understand there are MAD politics in this shit. ALL my favorite MCs have done some "dumb" shit to pay the piper (industry heads) like someone said, these guys ain't tryna miss a pay day. Styles P said it best when The Unit/LOX were going back n forth: "It's the crackers that buy the albums, what's the plottin' about??"

    • Notorious H.A.T.E.R.

      @ Milehighkid303 I respect your opinion. It is a travesty that your comment got removed, however, I think you are missing something here. America is a society based on class and it is also one based on race. Why do you think unions had such a hard time gaining a foot hold in the South? The reason is because the workers were divided by race. You can not take race out of the equation. Why do poor whites vote against their economic interests and vote Republican? Race! I think the failure of organized labor to have considerable power is a result of the racial dynamic of America dividing the working class. I respect your opinion Milehigh but sometimes Whites have to realize that this is a Black issue. Let us solve it. Let us debate it. This idea that Whites have a right to interject in other people's problems is borderline racist. Our problems require our solutions. Chinese don't see the world the same as Japanese, Germans don't see the world the same as the British and so on and so on. Again I appreciate your opinion but this isn't your argument to have. Respectably fall back.

    • Milehighkid303

      LET IT BE KNOWN FELLAS that eventhough Race plays a huge place here, I WAS NOT coming at blacks saying "go purchase" music. I'm think because my comment got removed these people at DX thought I was going the race route? Hmmmm. Not the case as I stated I GREW UP WITH MAD minorites, where I get offended is when I have a brother tell me, "what do u know about the struggle?" "this ain't for u it's our story" THE REASON HIP HOP CAME ABOUT WAS FOR THE PEOPLE! And to answer you Hannibal directly homie, I went to a DEAD PREZ concert when he was talking foul about whites and I still bumped his music because I'm smart enough to decipher the message. I listen and listened to all waives of hip hop. I'm almost 30 now so its fair to say I've been around long enough to hold a Lil weight. All I was saying is that Lil tennis hoppers have dictated what label heads push out, and what these artists say. At the end of the day I still will go support n artist and I make sure that whatever I can do to keep the culture alive I do. If ANYTHING bruh, this is a classist issue at this point rather than race. One my brothers.

    • Minority Report

      @ Hannibal you are exactly right. I hate the specious argument that Blacks don't buy records and just download them. White kids buy more records because overall they are wealthier and secondly they make up roughly 80 percent of the population. People love making the argument that Whites by more records than Blacks without explaining the reasons. You hit it right on the head Hannibal. I feel like mainstream hip-hop is catered to a white audience that is why what is out there is so limited. A Black rapper who doesn't rap about bullshit will have a hard time being successful in comparison to a white rapper with similar subject matter. Whites have an advantage and it primarily boils down to their numerical and economical advantage. Of course Eminem is going to sell millions he has 80 percent of the population supporting him whereas a Black rapper starts off with 12 percent and has to work up. We need our own shit. Tired of this minority shit, it sucks. Our needs, views and issues always come second to theirs. I am really scared that in a decade or so White people will have taken over hip-hop like they did rock and roll. Sometimes I wish they would just leave us the f*ck alone. Just leave us BE!!!! I was watching this documentary on Zimbabwe and an African told this White man to go back to Europe and they didn't want anything to do with their kind anymore, they were greedy, deceitful and violent. Just leave us alone.

    • denver nigga

      I agree with schwarz son

    • SCHWARZ

      THIS I AGREE WITH. WERE U RUSTY WIT' DA 1ST COMMENT? U WERE TRAPEZE FLIPPIN' AND JUMPIN' WIT' DA OTHER 1. AYE, N!GGAS EVEN TOLD ME I WAS DROPPIN' 1HUNNID SCENARIOS FOR 1 COMMENT. NOW I'M STILL WAITIN' 4 DA ANSWER 2 MY QUESTION.

    • hannibal

      I appreciate your candor but what you're saying is only a half truth, and that half truth is old and lacks relevance. You forget that albums do not sell anymore, This is why artists are signing 360 deals. ten years or so ago, your argument would be more valid. white kids had more disposable income and therefore purchased more records, as they fell in love with a foreign and new artform that black kids had in front of them every day and may have taken for granted. That being said, White kids purchased everything off the shelves. WIth this purchasing power comes the ability to dictate what the rappers say. Do you really think white kids in the suburbs want to hear the message of a dead prez album? or x-clan or do they prefer the edge of a g-unit record. You think rappers can go and rap pro black raps in front of all white crowds? the message changes when the audience does. Hip Hip got bigger and whiter and so did the artists. white kids bought it and Thats how they dictated what you heard. Now its different. The rappers are signed with the labels having the intention of making them a human billboard and a walking commercial. They are unable to say anything, not because white kids buy and blacks dont buy their albums but because there are advertising deals and dollars from multimillion dollar companies at stake. Its a whole different game than becky and todd buying a cd. Their dad is now buying from his corporate tower and he is dictating.Totally different.

    • SCHWARZ

      SMH C HOW HE CAME THRU TRYNA SHUT IT DOWN? HIS WORD IS GOLDEN, HE KNOW, WHILE ADDRESSING PEOPLE WHO OBVIOUSLY HAVE LIVED HIP HOP FROM IT'S INFANCY. WE SITTIN' HERE SPEAKIN' ON WHY THEY DIDN'T GRAB MORE CONTROL OF THE BUSINESS OF OWNING THE PHYSICAL CAPABILITIES OF THE MUSIC INDUSTRY. AND HERE U GO, SOLIDIFYING THE POINT I STATED 2X: "US WHITE FOLKS" (your words) (now my words) "JUST AIN'T GONNA LET U(s) UPRISE AND TAKE THEY SH!T." WE USED TO CALL THAT "COCKBLOCKING". THEY DON'T TEACH U THIS IN SCHOOL......... SALUTE TO DA FEMALE WHO DROPPED A LINE.

  • Sistah Girl

    DAMN!!! You brothers are speaking your minds. Where are all of you outside of cyberspace? Just joking. It's good to read all these comments though. Good to know that there are a lot of intelligent brothers out there. Only thing y'all need to do next is organize and enact what y'all recommend to these rappers. Don't forget a lot of these rappers are uneducated and products of impoverished environments - you can't expect them to be W.E.B. Dubois. That's why the enlightened and intelligent ones are supposed to come in and steer the ship. By the way, check out this group, they performed at an open mic night I was hosting the other night and were pretty dope and conscious (everybody else there were talking about dope, chains, cars and ho's, knowing they all broke as hell, LOL). http://thedropsquad.bandcamp.com/ P.S. Don't forget the sistahs.

    • Your Opinion Means Nothing

      @SCHWARZ, Oops! I meant aren't taught anything at all.

    • Your Opinion Means Nothing

      @SCHWARZ, these days kids aren't anything at all, at least not anything that deals with real life.

    • SCHWARZ

      I CO-SIGN THAT. BUSINESSES WILL RISE AND FALL, PEOPLE WILL STILL EXIST. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO CREATE "BUSINESS" AND EXECUTE "TRANSACTIONS". THEY DON'T TEACH U THIS IN SCHOOL

    • Anonymous

      Thank you Sistah Girl for pointing out a very important piece in the discussion of the culture of today's rapper...the education. Now hip hop is a genre of music. Music is a form of entertainment. And as we all know, entertainment is very lucrative business. While I'm not one to advocate the conspiracy theory of a plot to thwart "conscience rap" from the mainstream I do understand the point of the argument. I honestly believe if you follow the money trail you'd see why hip hop has it's peaks and valleys as far as trends go. Now, let me say this first. I AM AN ADVOCATE FOR MORE PERSPECTIVE IN THE LYRICAL CONTENT OF THE ARTISTS. But to believe that artists are going to all of sudden break stride and go all conscience on that ass is a trip into delusion. It won't happen and I'll tell you why. Entertainment is a business. And business only thrives on the dollars that support it. Hip hop as a business is thriving more than ever with it's current product of "millionaire, flashy rappers". That train is not going to pull into the station until it runs out of steam (dollars). The only way that the "conscience rap" can return to mainstream is by there being a product (artist/ song catalogue) that can be pushed (marketed) and perceived as authentic enough that will create the new trend in which the majors see as the new business model they need to survive in the market. All credit to those that use "conscience" in their lyrics in today's rap market and are/trying to thrive. But the problem seems to me that their isn't a strong enough presence to break the mold. An anomoly, so to speak (don't mind my Matrix reference), that everyone sees as the one to follow. I mean, I like Lupe Fiasco, but he doesn't have the domineering personality to take over. The new "conscience" leader/trendsetter will have to have a presence/aura about him/her that everyone respects and wants no parts of fucking with. Stronger role models, or at least, stronger characterizations is what I guess I'm trying to say is needed. Until then, as always it'll be business as usual. Follow the dollar. And that's on both, the artists' and the companies' end. Entertainment...It's a copy cat league.

  • Sensaye252

    The problem is that all these rappers know and understand the plots and conspiracies, but none of them are doing anything about it 'cause they don't want to miss a pay day. I've been saying for years that rappers need to form a union. They need to take control of the culture, and govern Hip-Hop themselves. All these rappers nowadays know each other. Why is it that they can't form an allegiance? Why do they give in to the dirty media tactics that make them enemies with each other? These label owners can not replace what these rappers do. You can't build a machine that can write up rap lyrics. If rappers collectively decided that they were going to unionize, it would be monumental. But they won't, because like I said, none of them are willing to sacrifice a pay check. Peace.

    • Sensaye252

      Schwarz, I'm laughing at that comment, not because it's silly but because that shit is so true. I might even BE that fool you just described.

    • Anonymous

      They scared to get murked by mutha fuckas with a lot of power and control. They dont want to fight them niggas and possibly die. They want their heaven now instead of looking at the big picture. Blk folks have been taught to be suspicious of each other etc so i think deep down niggas dont want to put their lives on the line for each other because they may die for nothing. sad shit but i think thats what it really is with all problems we face.

    • SCHWARZ

      1HUNNID, FCUK THAT. WE GENERATED BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OFF OF A VINYL DISC THAT TRANSMUTES MUSIC, AND WE DON'T OWN OR HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY HANDY TO MAKE OUR OWN. RECOGNIZE WHAT I'M SAYIN' BEFORE U RESPOND WITH THE ADVANCES OF TECHNOLOGY. TELL ME THERE AIN'T A BLACK STEVE JOBS OUT THERE. HE PROLLY WORKIN' FOR THEM OR AN I.T. AT SOME DEAD END ASS JOB WORRYIN' ABOUT CHILD SUPPORT AND THAT NEXT BLUNT TEXTIN' SOME NIGHTLY SMUT.

    • Cudder

      not just money I think, sadly a lot of rappers are comfortable doin that shit the union would have to consist of the most conscious rappers out there, and have a solid superstar be the driving force. someone like kanye or jay, but neither of them will go thru with that shit

  • Bpayne

    I Love Too $hort! one of my favorite rappers of all time

  • Anonymous

    To all the black people reading this, realize that rich white men are controlling your culture it is not you. They are the ones making you worship money and making you worship ignorance, if you can understand this you need to understand that you must stop it and you must stop the corrupt artist helping spread it. We cant band the other side but we need a balance that the current music industry lacks and is not being allowed through, they are destroying the youth help stop it, please.

    • charlie

      For real man, i'm pretty nervous too.. i fear that the internet will be a sad sad place in the near future. I might just move to Brazil when i'm older

    • Com

      @charlie Absolutely. You're expected to be a blind sheep. You're expected to conform to pop culture, and if you deviate you are made enemy. It's human nature, but it doesn't change how sad it is. It's gotten to the point where being intelligence is unpopular. The dumber you are, the better; and that's how corporations and politicians want us. They don't want you doing your research and looking up Foxconn. They don't want you looking up the signing statements Obama has made. They want you ignorant. They want you predictable. Honestly, the smartest thing for you to do right now is keep an eye out. We're heading into some scary shit for real.

    • charlie

      In my experience, people eat up what is put out on the radio and in the mainstream. Many of my good friends love everything that YMCMB puts out, all the new tyga joints, Anything that gets airplay really. I have other friends that go underground and listen to some conscious lyrical music, but i have to say that there are many more listening to the former. I can't see that changing with the industry in the state that it's in. I like my nikes and fitteds and all that, and I am aware of the message they are spewing...so what is it that makes us buy it? I don't really know...society i guess? Either way its fucked up. As long as the labels are making their money, it's not going to change, unless they end up making more money putting out intelligent music. And putting out intelligent music is not going to lead to more money

    • For real

      So tell me something i dont know, everything black owe and do are controll by white america we to stupid to wake up.

    • Com

      I disagree. We could. It's unrealistic, but it's possible. The less people think of things as being abstract and impossible, the better in my opinion. And yes that's true, but YOU make the decision. You decide how your money is spent, and by spending it on what the labels push toward you, you tell them to continue cranking it out, however shitty it is. Guys like Vanilla Ice and Hammer? Think of them as tests. They were used by labels to see how far Rap could be taken and blended down to a poppy mess. Now keep in mind this isn't fact, just my observation. But either way, yea, nothing will change until that mindset is changed, so it's up to cats like you to make that decision. Individually it's gotta happen, since society really doesn't like sudden change.

    • charlie

      @com While it's true that we ourselves give in and make the decision to buy the most expensive clothes or jordans, or listen to shitty mainstream radio rap, it is the industry that pushes it toward us. The industry cranks out ignorant messages through songs and condition us to want something specific, like money and clothes. And they do it very well, as artists like nicki minaj and lil' Wayne dominate the airwaves. People are too much like sheep, society will never be able to change their mindset as a whole, unfortunately.

    • Anonymous

      Agreed, we need take back our own destiny first instead of helping others gain advantage

    • Com

      We destroy ourselves by giving into it. No one said you HAVE to buy the newest pair of Jordans. No one said you HAVE to buy the most expensive clothes. Society teaches you what you SHOULD want, but in the end, you make the decision. As kids we naturally group and associate, and if the majority of the association does a certain thing, you're pressured to do it too. That's what we have to change, our mindset as a whole.

  • Notorious H.A.T.E.R.

    Glad we have an intelligent discussion going on. We, as Black people and specifically Black men, need more discussions so we can lead our people to greatness. Peace brothers, ONE LOVE.

    • Notorious H.A.T.E.R.

      @ Com you are exactly right. I don't believe in bashing the white man. Blacks give the white man too much credit, he isn't god. At one point in history Egypt, Rome, Iran (Persia), Babylon, Great Britain, France and Germany were the strongest countries on Earth at one particular point. Where are they now? Shit, look at Greece, the so called birth place of Western Civilization with its economy in ruins, receiving bail outs. At one point Jews were getting slaughtered and discriminated in every country they resided in and now they have their own country. History has no favorites. No country, no group of people rule forever. We have to be uplifted by our past, not enslaved by it. I feel the fact that many of our ancestors were slaves makes us feel insecure about ourselves, why should it though? I am proud of who I am. Honored to belong to a group of people that were denigrated and hated but somehow found a way to persevere. I don't watch TV because it is BS and only perpetuates stereotypes, makes you see yourself in an unnatural way. Divides the Black woman and man, makes you have an opinion of someone before you even met them!!! Isn't that crazy? Anything is possible. Today doesn't have to be like tomorrow.

    • Com

      I gotta say I agree with you in your earlier post. Why can't we profit together? Why do we have to rely on handouts? Why can't we make something if we are so bothered that we can't get it? And, it bothers me when I hear dudes blaming "The White Man" for all their damn problems. Yes in terms of social status and movement, we are limited. But that is mostly due to us accepting where we are in this society. Everybody wants to talk about regaining our black strength, but who wants to do something about it? Niggas would rather hit up the club and lose themselves in their addictions. It's fucking pathetic. Call me cynical if you want, but there's so much more we could do.

  • what

    All for the money, but i know too short got some real positive song man, i love the one's he made and would love to hear the all positive album

  • beingunderfire

    Good point HATE, but the perspective is nothing new in our society. Many people have tried to go off the grid only to have others that were on board pull their resouces from any project that may have envoled a self sufficient entity. I wish there was more hope in all mediums to help produce a stand alone vessal in which we could manufacture, distrubute and support our own. It just seems like we (black, latin,african) have become dependent on the system. Maybe one day conscience thinking will become a thought process of the masses.

    • Com

      In cases like those, I think it's more so the people consuming the product. The majority has a huge influence on this country, but nobody realizes. They just wanna get on all fours and take whatever politicians or corporations decide to give out. Such bullshit. If you don't like what your representatives are doing in office, get them motherfuckers out of there through an initiative. But yea, we as the people need to exercise our rights. Stop buying Lasers. Start buying The Cool and F&L I. Stop looking up shit about Weezy every time he tries to get buzz. Start looking up and paying attention to people who deserve it. Boycotting is one of the best messages you can send to a company. Show them what you want instead of letting them spoon feed you. If they pull the plug on your favorite artist, stop buying their albums and just buy merch. and concert tickets, or other things artists profit more off of.

  • Nico 3

    Of course he knew what he was doing. It was a money game, and Short sold out like any other rapper would have done. If you look at his situation now though with the new album. It's still the same old bullshit. I'm sure Short has enough power now to control his content, yet he's still milking the pimp image. We get it. To each their own, but from a creativity standpoint, it's boring now.

  • Notorious H.A.T.E.R.

    I'm going to be candid here. I am not trying to offend anyone but I want to express my honest opinion. I am currently in graduate school and one day in class we discussed Chinese investment in Africa. My teacher and several other students said that China was going to exploit Africa and that Africa was going to become their colony. Mind you, parts of Africa were colonized once, by Europeans. The way they spoke about Africans was if they were children and that they couldn't think for themselves and would be duped. Fast forward, I watched a documentary on Chinese businesses in Africa and they put local business out of business and all the Chinese immigrants scoffed at the local Africans, lived in their own secluded communities and made millions off the local population. Ordinary Africans were not happy with the situation and complained but their political leaders did nothing. What I am trying to say is that Black people have to take control of their own resources, stop leaving it in the hands of those who don't have out best interests in mind. Hip-Hop is a resource, it can be used for social as well as economic empowerment. Why don't Black people form their own labels that make conscious music and distribute it to their people? Why don't they get together with these radio personalities and start playing more positive music. Why don't these so called hip-hop moguls join together and form their own distribution companies so they can by pass interscope and companies like that? Another question, you ever noticed that the athletes that make these colleges famous forgo going to a historically black college? Colleges like Duke that are predominately white have predominately Black basketball teams that recruited talented Black youth from the inner city. None of this talent goes back to the Black community, it doesn't make Black colleges more competitive, funny, if these kids had no talent the only college they could afford would be a Black one. Why do Arabs own all the stores in Black communities? How can we feed ourselves if we don't have any stores. Why when Blacks are successful they leave predominately Black neighborhoods? Why don't we invest in our own communities, make them vibrant and then we wouldn't have to worry about gentrification or begging for funds from the local governments. Why do we continue to depend on others so much? You ever noticed how Blacks speak about the white man in astronomical terms, either he is the "devil" responsible for everything wrong or "god" who can fix all our problems. If hip-hop is misogynistic and violent it is our fault. We allowed someone else to control what we created. Peace

    • SCHWARZ

      AYE NOTORIOUS, SOMETIMES THAT B DA PROBLEM TOO, N!GGAS B "J/K" A LIL' TOO MUCH. THE 1ST ANON, THAT'S Y I SAID WE CAN'T FORGET THEY AIN'T GONNA LET US JUST UPRISE & TAKE THEY SH!T, GOTTA EXPECT THE JEDI MIND TRICKS WHEN U READY TO MAKE MOVES LIKE THAT. THE 2ND ANON, IT AIN'T ABOUT BASHIN', IT'S RECOGNIZING ALL THE PIECES ON THE CHESS BOARD AND WHAT THEY DO/DID/CAN DO.

    • Anonymous

      It's not about bashing the white man but our modern history has everything to do with him, whether we like it or not. We were bred with inferiority and we just have to work and study ten times harder and to actually realise who we are. Realise who taught civilisation Then maybe we can have that real self love first before others.

    • Anonymous

      There was a point in time when there was a group that tried to put they own distribution channel together. Suge, J Prince & Irv. Then what happened? Suge goes to prison. J Prince goes under investigation for dope and Irv catches his...was it money laudering....case and everything stops. So when $hort say there is a conspricy I believe. But I down with if at first you dont succeed try again. Brothas need to get together and form they own multi-media outlet. Hopefully what puffy is doing he'll take that step this time....but i seriously doubt it.

    • Notorious H.A.T.E.R.

      @ Shwarz thanks for the feedback but when do I be on some BS, J/K.

    • tyi

      It basically started from the civil rights movement at the dawn of slavery when we begged the white man to use all his services instead of creating our own. We never went for self and now as a nation or community we have no power and are weak on every level because of this. The successful ones have always been the selfish who leave their community behind for self gain and have always received their education and study and used their brains to further help and advance the white mans civilization, this is a much bigger problem for our black people.

    • SCHWARZ

      AYE, U ON POINT WHEN USUALLY U BE ON SOME BULLSH!T. WHEN RUSSELL SOLD DEF JAM THE 1ST TIME, I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA GET INTO ACTUAL RECORD DISTRIBUTION/PRESSING. HE HAD BOB JOHNSON AND OTHER RICH BLACKS RIGHT THERE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, UNLESS THEY WERE BLOCKED FROM MAKING THAT HAPPEN. SOMETIMES U GOTTA THINK, ANOTHA PERSON JUST AIN'T GONNA LET U UPRISE AND TAKE THEY SH!T. MR JOHNSON FROM HARLEM, WHO JUST DIED RECENTLY AND OWNED ENJOY! RECORDS WAS PRINTING VINYL IN HARLEM LIKE PAUL WINLEY WAS AND I NEVER UNDERSTOOD WHY THEY DIDN'T GET THE FINANCIAL BACKING SO THEY WOULD BE A VIABLE RECORD LABEL WITH CAPABILITIES LIKE MCA AND ATLANTIC WERE AT THAT TIME BEFORE THE BIG MERGERS.

  • 80sbaby

    it worked too. i remember the days when cash money was considered garbage music.

  • Anonymous

    Niggas would wait til there 47 years old and Shit to talk about positive making albums when you had 30 fuckin years to do it .he fell for it to man just like every other nigga,if you talking positive your preaching or your soft .who cares anymore .they make a whole bunch of Fuckin money Shit on niggas promote violence and poison minds.then they start feeling guilty cause they know they could of did it long ago but know you have a smaller audience you wanna try that positive Shit.niggas is phony man straight up and down master p tryed that Shit now he back to cursing.flawass niggas just need to shutup and stick to what made them.

  • Swordz

    Yeah cause too short is "conscious" ... LOL

  • SCHWARZ

    WE KNOW SHORT, WE SAT AND WATCHED IT UNFOLD RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES. PEOPLE DON'T THINK THE NEW KIDS ARE ONE DAY JUST GONNA WAKE UP, THEY THE "BLING KIDS", THAT MUSIC WAS PLAYED WHILE THEY WERE YOUNG THAT'S IN THEIR MINDS. JAY, CASH MONEY, PUFFY. THOSE ARE THE ONES THEY RESPOND TO, AND ANYONE AFFILIATED WITH THEM (jury's out on whether Jay Electronica will thrive with RocNation).

  • jamesg53

    Yea, and ya'll are JUST finding this out. DAMN !!! Real Hip-Hop heads have known and been saying this for years.

  • Enlightened

    That's what's up Short. One of the realest ever.

  • Nate

    Dream schooled him in that interview in Ebony, and i liked how he handled it. Which is why I'm def checkin for that new shit. Funny thing about $hort is that the biggest Too Short fans I knew growing up and now are women. I guess they're the FREAKS tho so it makes sense.

  • Anonymous

    We been knowing this short nothing new.

  • Anonymous

    and niggas live and breathe this white man's bullshit. and take it as real

  • Mr Flamboyant

    And finally the labels and execs have gotten what they wanted. Sadder even when you realize that one of "our own" in Bob "sell my bloodline for millions" Johnson is the biggest example of dumbing down for the dollars and poisoning our youth. Oh well. Think for yourselves, niggas. Hold accountability and strive for perfection.

  • E

    It's sad that nobody has commented on this except this retard above.

  • g

    REAL SHYT HERE!!!! ITS BEEN A PLOT AGAINST "BLACKS THINKING".. THEY DONT WANT THAT... DON TRIP SHYT IS FIYA TYGA SHYT IS 2!!!!!

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