The D.O.C. Elaborates On Dr. Dre Split, Reveals Request From Eminem

Exclusive: The pen behind almost an entire sub-genre speaks with unflinching candor about the end of his work with Dre, and several other shocking revelations about Suge Knight, N.W.A. and Rap history.

The best emcee to ever don an L.A. Kings cap, The D.O.C., spoke exclusively to HipHopDX late last month (courtesy of his new PR representation, Hoopla Media Group) and proceeded to give the most revealing interview of his over 20-year career.  

In the first published portion of D.O.C.’s discussion with HipHopDX, the author of the awe-inspiring album No One Can Do It Better (and large portions of other certified classics, including Eazy-Duz-It, Straight Outta Compton, 100 Miles And Runnin’ and Efil4zaggin) revealed that his pen-for-hire work for Dr. Dre has finally ceased, after a total of over 18 years spent constructing quotable verses for Eazy-E, N.W.A., Snoop Dogg and several other notable names that have walked the halls over the years at Ruthless Records, Death Row Records and Aftermath Entertainment.    

Now in the remaining portion of The D.O.C.’s jaw-dropping Q&A, the ultimate insider to the history of the genre commonly referred to as Gangsta Rap breaks down his history with the likes of Suge Knight, Jerry Heller, Ice Cube, and maybe most notably, Eminem (who recently made a special request of the man whose aggressive flow on 1989’s “The D.O.C. & The Doctor” provided the prototype for Marshall Mathers’ truculent tone).  

The man who was Snoop Dogg before Snoop Dogg, Game before Game, also elaborates on the dissolution of his longstanding professional relationship with Dr. Dre, providing previously unpublished details about how their “Formula” finally became toxic.

A little lengthy, but a must-read for anyone familiar with the role the simultaneous southern star and west coast forefather played in the careers of almost every artist to ever record to a Dr. Dre track, the following transcript documents one of the most influential emcees in Hip Hop history baring his soul in his “Against All Odds” moment.    

Below is the truest shit The D.O.C. has ever spoke.

HipHopDX: I recently did an interview with Sir Jinx, and he revealed that you’re currently working on a documentary. So what exactly is the film about?

The D.O.C.: The whole Ruthless [Records break-up to Death Row Records creation] story is really just patches. It’s bits and pieces of the truth. None of these people really know what happened because I haven’t said anything yet. Most of the guys that are in-the-know aren’t saying [what really happened] because it benefits them not to say it. The truth as it is in the world now, it makes them look good. Which is cool, I’m not really – that shit never really bothered me. Because, when I lost my voice I didn’t mind playing the background, not necessarily being the guy who got the publicity or the this or the that. But, after 20 years it’s become time to really let the cat out of the bag, because if I don’t, no one will.

They were talking about doing an N.W.A. movie for a minute, and I knew off top that that shit could never happen. Number one, none of those muthafuckas really get along with each other good enough to do shit. And number two, everybody wants to tell a fraction of the story from their own perspective. And none of that shit coulda been true, because first off I wasn’t even in the movie. And you couldn’t have had N.W.A. like you had N.W.A. had I not left Dallas and came to California and helped those guys build songs. That’s just the facts. You wouldn’t of had it like that; you couldn’t of had it like that. [Dr.] Dre wouldn’t of had the career he had.

You actually would’ve never had Death Row had I not been in California. Because, Suge [Knight] wasn’t my bodyguard but he…rolled with me. It wasn’t him and Dre that got together and said, "Hey, let’s do this." It was Dre and I that got together and said, "Hey, let’s do this." Unfortunately, it was right after that [car wreck I was in] and I was going through a really hard time, really trying to come to grips with what had been taken away. So, I was just being a fuck-up. But, I wasn’t being such a fuck-up that I couldn’t pull Dre over here and say, “Look, nigga, this is what you need to do. This is what we need to do. Look at what [Eazy-E’s] doing to me. If he’s doing it to me, he could be doing it to you.” … So he and I got together with Suge and this other cat, [Dick Griffey of SOLAR Records], and we all started making plans. Unfortunately, I started falling deeper into the wrong shit, down the wrong hole. And even though I was putting in a majority of the money and a gang of the work to make that shit happen, when it all came down to bare fruit I just wasn’t able to grab my apples off the tree. ‘Cause my mind was somewhere way somewhere else.

That plus the fact that Dr. Dre was always somebody that I trusted, that I thought that even if I can’t watch my own back, Dre’s gonna watch my back. And that’s not to say that Dre’s not a great guy…he’s just not me. Like, if the situations were reversed, I couldn’t be him and he’d be me. ‘Cause it’s not in my character. My nature is sort of that of a giving cat. So, there’s no way that he and I can be in the same situation reversed.

When it comes to making music, those guys [in N.W.A.] didn’t know how to build songs back then. For lack of a better [description], they was just kinda street guys. And even though it was street music, music is like writing a book, it has to have a beginning, a middle and an end.

The documentary is a journey over these past 20 years. I’m going to let you guys see all the drama, all the bullshit, from the inside. I’ma give you an interesting story, that nobody knows about. When I first got to California, back in fuckin’ ’88, maybe ’87, I was sitting in the studio and playing at this little piano that was in this studio called Audio Achievements – where we did all the early N.W.A., Eazy-E shit. I was playing at this little piano and Eazy asked me if I wanted to go to this meeting. And to make a long story short, Eazy was [implying] that he was into this devil worshipping shit. … Now, I’m a young kid from Texas. I don’t know shit about gang banging, ‘cause the shit hadn’t happened in Dallas at that time. I don’t know shit about the streets really. And I damn sure don’t know shit about no muthafuckin’ devil worshipping. So, you can just imagine, I sat there at that piano kinda frozen. I acted like I didn’t even hear the shit that he was saying. He was talking about he wanted me to go to some meeting, and man, I played like I didn’t hear nothing that muthafucka said and kept doing what the fuck I was doing. … But, just that in itself can show you the kind of mind fuckery that was going on throughout those years, when I was just there trying to be creative. I found out later that it was just game [from Eazy-E]. It was game gone too far. Because I was so far ahead of these niggas, that the only way that they could keep me under thumb was to run super game on me. So now I don’t know, do I need to ask somebody about my money or is the devil gon’ come get me? I don’t know. I’m 18, I don’t know what the fuck to do. I just know I wanted to be the best muthafuckin’ rapper, and I seemed to be heading in that direction.

Here’s the plan [going forward for] what I wanna do: there’s a doctor in Florence, Italy. His name is Paolo Macchiarini – world-renowned transplant specialist. This is D.N.A. medicine we’re talking about. In other words, he uses stem cells. He’s already done two operations similar to the one that would be necessary to do to get me my voice back. One on a woman’s windpipe, and one in the area of the voice box called the larynx. There’s actually a woman in northern California I believe who just had that surgery, but it wasn’t D.N.A. because that’s not available [in the United States]. … I know it worked for her [though], because she had cancer [that] totally destroyed her voice box and they transplanted her a new one and now she can talk. What’s going on with Macchiarini in Italy [is D.N.A. medicine] and what they did for [a woman] was, they took master stem cells from her body, from three different points in her body, in a laboratory and they re-grew the windpipe from her stem cells. … It’s some real Star Trek shit. It’s so far beyond what they do in the United States that it’s really hard to believe that they could do shit like that.

[Writer’s Note: The portion of Q&A presented below picks up at the point in D.O.C.’s discussion with DX following the portion of Q&A presented in his previous news feature.]  
The D.O.C.: But if [Dr. Dre] don’t [drop Detox] this year, then you gon’ have to quit lying. Cut that shit out.

DX: Yeah, it’s turned into what Axl Rose did with Chinese Democracy. You wait too long and then… 

The D.O.C.: Then it’s fucked up. So now, the only thing that’s left is the story. And the only reason that y’all ain’t got the story yet is ‘cause I haven’t told it. Those guys can’t tell the story because they didn’t write it. I did.

Eazy-E didn’t even have a name really until right before I got to California. When “Boyz-N-The Hood” was made, the guy didn’t really even have a name. When I first got to California, [after Dr. Dre] called me in Texas and told me to come to California – [Dre said], “Nigga, we could be rich, if you just lived out here.” Well, shit, a broke-ass nigga from West Dallas, Texas, that’s all you had to say, I’ll be there in a minute. Borrowed whatever I could, and got my ass [out] there - slept on muthafucka’s couches. At first, [Dre] was planning on being my deejay. Because, Hip Hop was still so New York back then. It hadn’t made it to the west yet. But after we did Eazy’s [album, Eazy-Duz-It], Dre was like, “Eh, I don’t know about that deejay shit.” They hadn’t even done the N.W.A. album yet. But Eazy-E’s [single, “Boyz-N-The Hood”] took off so fast, he saw the future of the N.W.A. movement. And I can’t blame him. “Nigga, go get ya money.” ‘Cause I’m thinking, when I put this record out I’ma show y’all muthafuckas how to really rap around this bitch.

I was really arrogant back then. I used to tell them muthafuckas all the time, “If it wasn’t for me, y’all niggas wouldn’t have shit!” Which may be why niggas is trying to shit on me now, because payback is a muthafucka.

Once they got through with [recording Straight Outta Compton], it was pretty easy to see that that shit was outer space. But Eazy was fuckin’ niggas early in the game. [Ice] Cube saw that shit very early, and boned the fuck out. … If I wasn’t up there [at Ruthless] what the fuck would they have done? You wouldn’t have a muthafuckin’ Niggaz4Life record, who was gonna write it? And Eazy still fucked me on that record! But I’m a 19-year-old, 20-year-old kid, I don’t know no fuckin’ better. I’m up there with Dre. And Dre knew better. And he coulda did better. “Say man, is Eazy fucking you or something? You got to do something, dog. Don’t just let me be out in the wind like that. I’m giving you life, nigga.” Maybe it was a Texas [vs.] L.A. [divide], and them niggas really didn’t give a fuck about nothing except the skills that I had at that time.

But I refused to believe [those rumors about Dre’s sexual orientation], ‘cause me and Dre, we spent every day together. All his dirty laundry, I know all of that shit. Everything! [Laughs] And you ain’t heard me talking shit about the dude, ‘cause I don’t want him to look bad to nobody. I got love for him. I don’t ever want him – Matter fact, I used to get mad at him ‘cause I always wanted more for him than he did.

The actual name “Death Row” came from me. I actually wanted to call the label “Def Row,” ‘cause in my mind Dre was what Russell Simmons was to the east …. That’s how important he was. And then one of the other artists, a female named Jewell, she was like, “Wow, that’s cool, Death Row.” I was like, “Nah, Def Row.” And Dre was like, “Nah, nigga, Death Row ….” And then with all these thug-minded-ass muthafuckas around…it didn’t take long before that’s just what that was.

It was a dirty time. And if you really had a movie about that shit, it would fuck you up – from the beginning of Ruthless all the way through to the end of Death Row, and it showed the kind of niggas that could manipulate [Tupac's] death. I know.              

DX: You know…what happened?  

The D.O.C.: I know if he is. I know if Suge is the kind of nigga that could manipulate that. I know. I know everything.

[Even through everything], I still have no contempt for Eazy. Or Dre. Or Suge. Or none of these niggas. ‘Cause, it’s really none of their faults that I went through the shit I had to go through. It’s a G-O-D thang, it’s not a D.O.C. thang.

DX: So how much do you plan to present in this documentary? … How much of this do you really wanna rehash 20-plus years later?

The D.O.C.: Well, for me, it’s not really about the negative aspects of the story. What happened to me, you know, boo hoo, that was for Doc [to go through]. I just think the story is really neat. I think it makes a really cool story. [But] if you’re gonna tell it, tell that bitch right. I’m not afraid to shine a light on my fuck-ups. So by that same token, I shouldn’t be afraid to shine a light on your fuck-ups either – especially if it’s a part of the same story. If you fucked up, goddamn’t then you should have to deal with it the same way I did. And if nothin’ else, prove to another generation of young muthafuckas how to do it better than we did it.

I don’t think ‘Pac or [the Notorious B.I.G.] ended up the way that they shoulda ended up. I don’t think it shoulda went like that. [All] because greed, money and power went too far with niggas that don’t really have any money. Having a million dollars ain’t no fuckin’ money. These is muthafuckas [in power] running around here with multiple billions of dollars, that can buy and sell you…at a heartbeat, as if you were a slave. They can do that.

Muthafuckas was trying to get me to look at this video where Puff Daddy in drag – they supposed to be faggots. And everybody worship the devil, and all this ol’ shit. Now I was around Dr. Dre for fuckin’ 20 years, if that muthafucka is suckin’ dick, then something ain’t right. ‘Cause I ain’t seen no parts or pieces of none of that shit. And I was there the whole time. Ain’t no way you can be gay and get that shit past me. So, when they started selling that [story] so heavy, then I know that it’s just media gone crazy, sensationalizing bullshit.

So if anything, I want to tell the shit and make it pure, make it a beautiful story: the operation overseas…and getting that voice back. [I want to make the movie] if not just to travel the country, going to different colleges and talking to these kids about what’s really good, about what’s really positive and really beautiful about this music and this culture. To me, [that] is a hell of a happy ending.

DX: You know what you gotta do in this documentary; you have to put a high quality version of the “I Hate To Go To Work” video in there. [Laughs]  

The D.O.C.: [Laughs] That’s funny. That is funny. That was my Fresh Prince days. If [Will Smith] ever reads this, it’ll fuck him up: I can remember when I was in that group, the Fila Fresh Crew, and I was opening up [a show for DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince]. And he had these dancers. It was two guys, and this one bow-legged girl. And they were wearing…spandex. This is when those things were in style. And Fresh Prince was on stage. He was rippin’. I had just opened it up. And the crowd was goin’ nuts. But they didn’t go nuts when I was up there. And in my opinion, I was better than everybody. So I was off feeling bad. And the little bow-legged girl was like, “Baby, don’t worry, you gon’ get your chance.” I thought that shit was so sweet that I never forgot that.           

DX: We been talking here for about an hour. I got like a gang of questions: old school stuff …. How much further do you wanna go though?

The D.O.C.: Dog, you can ask whatever you want while you got me.

DX: In the video for “It’s Funky Enough” there’s a baby-faced Ice Cube not looking exactly thrilled to be there. [Laughs] Was Cube a little salty that The D.O.C. was getting his solo shot before he could?

The D.O.C.: Nah. Hell nah. We was all together then. Now, this is some foul shit, but in the early N.W.A., way before I got my chance, whenever these guys did interviews, whenever they took pictures, whenever they did videos, they went out of they way not to let me in ‘em. If you go back you’ll never see me in none of ‘em. They wouldn’t let me in ‘em. They didn’t want me there, I think because they didn’t want muthafuckas to know that they wasn’t writing they own shit. If you go back to they old interviews, [when] the interviewers would ask them muthafuckas questions they would look fuckin’ dumbfounded. Because, the questions that they were asking the muthafuckas was about lyrics that I wrote for ‘em. Only Cube really understood I think what the aim was. Dre did sonically. But Cube understood what we was trying to aim for. That’s why his subsequent albums were in that same vein.

DX: Let me take it back to “It’s Funky Enough” …. Is this story true that you were just fuckin’ around when you spit that now classic Jamaican patois delivery, and that was just one take?

The D.O.C.: That was one take. They used to call me “One Take Willie.” We started that. Kurupt is the only other muthafucka to do that. … I had begged Dre to make that beat [using Foster Sylvers “Misdemeanor”]. It took me about three fuckin’ months of begging him to make that beat before he finally made it. And those lyrics were actually meant for another song, but I didn’t have no words for that beat yet. So when I went in, I was just gonna lay something so he could finish adding the instrumental shit into the track. And when the beat came on, it just sounded Jamaican. So that’s the character that came out. And I just spit that shit. Muthafuckas kept motioning me to keep going, so I did. At the end of that I was like, “Well I can do it better.” Dre was like, “Fuck that! I’m not changing none of that shit.”

DX: I gotta ask though, do you think “The D.O.C. & The Doctor” was your best vocal performance on the album? I think it’s still crazy to hear you go toe-to-toe with that electric guitar from Funkadelic’s “Good Old Music.”

The D.O.C.: I think that was my best Run [from Run-DMC] impression. Run was my hero. And the “diggy, diggy” thing came from him. So, it’s apropos that his son is named Diggy [Simmons]. And, I listened to young Diggy’s record and he’s got me all in it: from my raps to my cuts. So it’s all in the family. “D.O.C. & The Doctor” was my best attempt to try to be Run. As an artist all I wanted to be was Run. When they did the movie Krush Groove and he got mad at his brother, and went on stage and he said “It’s my muthafuckin’ house,” that was me. I was that nigga. … Well yeah, I do believe that “The D.O.C. & The Doctor” was my strongest vocal performance, you right. I put everything into that record.

DX: It’s just your range, man, your range was - It’s like, Rakim had his lane, [Big Daddy] Kane could do a little bit more, but damn’t The D.O.C. could do anything.  

The D.O.C.: Now how fuckin’ freaky would it be if I can go over here to Europe and come back with that power? C’mon man, that’s some Hip Hop shit that nobody else but me could do. You’d have to walk in these shoes to pull off some shit like that. And just one record with that old voice would make all of the shit that I had to go through, it would make that shit worthwhile.

DX: I don’t wanna rehash the more treacherous parts of the history, but [Ice Cube’s] “No Vaseline,” was that Cube just taking advantage of the situation, that there wasn’t a 100% D.O.C. to snipe back at him and give him some “Ether” to his “Takeover”?

The D.O.C.: Nah, man, because that wasn’t – he didn’t say anything about me. He wasn’t talking about me; he was talking about [N.W.A.]. And it wasn’t my place to say nothing. If I was smart, I’da followed his lead. [I] saw that it was fuckery going on [at Ruthless], but I was being led by Dre. I was there with Dre. I didn’t know Eazy like that. I didn’t know the business. All I know is I wanted to be around Dre’s production, because I knew it was better than everybody else’s.

DX: So was it before or after the accident that you realized “the super-dope manager” [Jerry Heller] wasn’t so super-dope? [Laughs]

The D.O.C.: It was after that. I had to go into the hospital for a month or so. And, when I got charged back for all of that time – [Ruthless] had charged me double …. It’s called cross-collateralization. The monies they used to pay me with, they had already made [publishing] deals and gotten that money. My publishing was never my publishing, because it was always their publishing. So the monies that they were paying me…was money that they had already gotten from something else. It’s like if I take a dollar, and I give you a dime of that dollar. Somebody gives me a dollar and says it’s for an article you wrote, and I give you a dime of that dollar, and I tell you it’s for that article you wrote. But I’m gonna take back a nickel of that dime for all the time that was spent writing that rap. That’s what they were doing.

DX: That’s not what Jerry Heller wrote in his book, [Ruthless: A Memoir]. I was just on Google Books – you can skim through his book to see all the mentions of D.O.C. – and boy oh boy, he was apparently Santa Claus to you. He bought you your first house, and he got you your first doctor, that woulda rehabbed your voice but you didn’t wanna go to the rehab. He was just so generous, man. He did a lot for you – in his book. [Laughs]

The D.O.C.: Well I tell you what, nobody asks Jerry [Heller] where he got the money from to do all that wonderful shit he did. Where did he get all that money from? It had to come from somewhere. And to this day, I don’t own the publishing to any of those records. Not even from my own record. That’s sad but true. So if there’s anything I can do for today’s kids – especially the next muthafucka that’s as talented as I was – don’t live my life, nigga. It’s fucked up. Be better than me.

Watch this story, see how cold this muthafucka was. He was a little arrogant, may have been a bit of an asshole. … I like to tell people I was Tupac before Tupac was Tupac. ‘Cause before Tupac was running up in clubs and spittin’ on muthafuckas and slappin’ bitches on the ass, I was stuck in the girls bathroom all night at clubs. And wouldn’t nobody come fuckin’ pull me out. [Laughs] ‘Cause Suge was standing outside the door. And I wanted to be where the hoes was, fuck the club. I know sooner or later they gotta come in here. So I would go post up. And some of ‘em liked it, some of ‘em didn’t, but nobody fucked with me. Suge would stand outside that door all night. Oh I was something terrible.

DX: How did you actually meet Suge?

The D.O.C.: There’s a [keyboardist] named L.A. Dre [who worked at Ruthless]. I stayed with L.A. Dre’s brother in Compton for the first month [after] I moved to California…right behind the high school called Centennial, [where the Piru Bloods formed in 1972]. It’s an all Blood neighborhood out there. And I got my first gang bang story. It’s kinda funny. I’m not gonna share it with y’all; I’ma make y’all wait for the book ‘cause it was some crazy shit. But my first gang bangin’ experience was there. And Suge was L.A. Dre’s brother. Not his real brother, but that’s how they talked about [each other]. Like me and [Dr.] Dre; like Dre is my brother. Well, that was his brother, so I started hangin’ around with this dude. And because I was so much better than everybody else [at Ruthless], I was 19 years-old and these guys would take me into the clubs, and they would get me pussy, I mean, it was just crazy. They was blowin’ my mind, so I thought I was really fuckin’ God’s gift around this bitch. It was a lot to take, and I really started actin’ up.

But it was Eazy that would act up when Suge was with me, because nobody wanted to fuck with that dude. And if they did wanna fuck with him, then it would be on. I think Suge and I got kicked out of every [club] – no, not kicked out, we got banned from every fuckin’ club in Hollywood. We’d go in, I’d see some female, and then I’d go right up and slap her on her ass. And if she turned around and said something slick, I’d put her on her ass. Or, if she had a guy and she said something slick, I’d put him on his ass. And then me and Suge would be in the club fighting four or five niggas. And [so] after awhile [club bouncers] would see us coming and they’d be like, “Nooo. Hell nah! Y’all muthafuckas ain’t coming in here tonight!” It was fuckin’ wild then.

DX: But did you believe that this roughneck guy was gonna be able to really run a business? Did you see him in that way, or is that just how he saw himself?

The D.O.C.: Well, when the Future Shock thing first kicked off – Like I said, it was 35% to me, 35% to [Dr.] Dre, [15% to Suge and] 15% to a cat named Dick Griffey – who had ran a company called SOLAR, [Sound of Los Angeles Records], for quite some time. And had hit records with a lot of groups…before Rap got big in L.A. So, we were gonna use his knowledge. The guy passed away maybe six months ago. He died of a heart attack. And we were gonna use his knowledge. But, I came to find out later on that Dick Griffey was just Suge of his day. I mean, so those guys already had they plan set up [to X me out of the label’s formation].

Dre and I went and got a million dollar publishing deal, and we used that money to make The Chronic. I ended up owing a shitload of taxes for that money, even though I never got no money from Death Row. I mean, nothing.

DX: So how were you…surviving?

The D.O.C.: Dog, all I’ve ever done in my whole life was survive. I came from not having shit, so not having shit never really [scared me]. I stayed with [Dr.] Dre from the time [after I stopped staying with L.A. Dre’s brother up until I left Death Row in 1994]. I always knew that I could never be totally left out – as long as Dre had a fuckin’ mansion with five or six rooms in it, I had a room. I was gonna be able to eat good. I was gonna always be able to have what I wanted, what I needed, ‘cause it was always gonna be around. And like I said, by that time the drugs was coming around so business was the furthest thing from my mind.

All I wanted to do was be drunk, and be high. And talk shit to everybody, which I did, all the time. [Laughs] I would show up to meetings totally fuckin’ inebriated, and blow the meetings up, with Dre and Suge and - So at some point I don’t blame those dudes for being like, "Wow, this dude is losing it." He’s not gonna be able to take care of [his issues].

DX: Is that when you left Death Row after Doggystyle? I mean, did they want you to leave, or did you leave voluntarily?

The D.O.C.: I wrote a song. Dre started working on an album. He wanted to work on an album with [Ice] Cube, and it was supposed to be called Helter Skelter. And he gave me all of these books to read – apocalyptic books. He wanted me to get started for him. So I did. And I wrote this one song which I really liked…and when I played it for him, he immediately wanted to take it. And, those kind of things just hurt. I [got] tired of putting all of the work in but not being able to benefit, not being able to even get the love from it from the fans. These guys never told muthafuckas how hard I was working. You never knew that I put so much work into [“Nuthin’ But A ‘G’ Thang”]. You just saw me in the video and assumed I guess, Well, Doc, he must’ve been doing something. But I was sweating on that muthafucka just as much as Snoop [Dogg] and Dre.

DX: Would you ever reveal which verses for Snoop you penned on The Chronic and Doggystyle, or is that gonna stay private?

The D.O.C.: You know, number one, you can’t – well nah, let me take that lie back ‘cause I did write some of the shit, but very little. What I did was, like I told you before, Snoop would write a rap – this is in the early days; this is when he moved in [and was] staying with me in my house. The house that Jerry Heller was so nice enough to buy. And [so Snoop], he’d write a rap and he’d come upstairs, and I’d say that, “This part is good. This part ain’t good. Take these lines out. Try to replace them with this stuff over here.” That’s the way I helped Snoop. I helped him find out how to write a song. But by the time he got to Doggystyle, he was on cruise control. If you look at the video for the song “Deep Cover,” you’ll understand what I mean by Snoop had to be seasoned and groomed into the [star] that y’all see today. ‘Cause when you look at the “Deep Cover” video, you see a kid who’s – and even the “G Thang” video – you see a kid that’s unsure. He doesn’t have the confidence to even look in the camera and give it to you yet. Because he’s not quite sure yet, even though all I [did] is pump into him everyday, “If I can’t be the shit, nigga, you’re gonna be the shit. If I can’t be that one, you’re gonna be that one.”

And that’s why Doggy Dogg love me, and his wife loves me to this day. ‘Cause I put a lot of love into that guy. And if I called Snoop, chances are Snoop would pick up the phone and give me what I ask for. But pride is a muthafucka. And I’ve always waited for Dre to be my nigga. Because it makes the story so much better - everybody expects [us to work together forever] …. And the more muthafuckas that really know [the story] they like, “Wow, that makes me lose love for Dre.” And I don’t want that. That’s what I don’t want.

DX: What actually led to you going back to Dallas [recently]?

The D.O.C.: The same thing that made me leave Death Row in the first place. When Doggystyle came out and they wanted to move to, “Now we’re gonna start working on the album with Ice Cube,” and I’m thinking, I’m putting [in] all this energy, this effort, but I can’t see how I’m going to win. How is this going to feed a future family of mine? And Dre wasn’t giving me ideas…[like], Maybe you should do this. Or, at 500 million bucks, nigga, you could give me a job bringing the weed to the studio everyday and pay me a $100,000 a year and write that shit off.

DX: I thought he was doing that this whole time?

The D.O.C.: Bro’, when I tell you I ain’t seen nothing - from this person that I’ve been patiently waiting [on] - I’m not lying to you. … I love being a part of great shit. And whenever I was fuckin’ with Dre, that’s what we were making. Now, when we fucked around with 2001, he actually called me [in 1998] and asked me to come back: “I need you to come help me with this record.” And my love for Dre is strong, [so] nigga that’s all it took. I’m on the next bird, let’s go.

But, now we at a stage in the game where…it’s just ugly. If it ain’t right, the shit is wrong. We can’t continue to go down that path if it’s not going to be beneficial to both of us. And I don’t want to be a detriment to your program, because you got a lot of young soldiers that are dope as fuck. There’s a young nigga over there named Slim da Mobster, who is every bit of a cold-ass emcee. One of the better ones on the west coast if you ask me. And, I can’t give to him the way I gave to Snoop, because I’m not in a place where I feel I can give. In my mind I’m at a place where I feel like I should be getting. Now it’s time to get.

DX: Did you sit down with Dre and say, Look -

The D.O.C.: Never did that. That’s one thing I never did.

DX: Why not?

The D.O.C.: Because I thought that, "Nigga, you my brother. You supposed to see my pain. I’m around you every day." I gotta be perfectly honest wit’chu, me and the good doctor, we sat down one night at dinner and we were talking, and our conversations were so far apart at that particular time that it was easy to see that we had to take some time apart. We weren’t seeing things eye-to-eye. The love was there, but not in a way it was supposed to be from my perspective. Maybe it was from his [perspective]. But like you said, I never sat down and said…I never told him what I’m telling you today. I just expected him to know it. And maybe I was wrong for that.

But, like I said, that’s my nigga and I love him to death. And I felt like if I called him and said blah, blah, blah he’d be there, but pride is a muthafucka.

DX: So are you expecting anything to change? I mean, if he reads this…

The D.O.C.: You know what? I’m really over here just interested at this point in Dre finishing what he gotta finish. His legacy is a lot more important than our argument. And it would be very selfish of me to not ride wit’ him after all of this time just because it didn’t work out a 100% in my favor. I want this dude’s record to come out, and I want him to win, and I want him to be everything I worked my ass off for him to be.

DX: But right now, with you not there, and just the way things are looking right now, he may very well fail.

The D.O.C.: Well, I wouldn’t put that in the air, ‘cause that’s my boy. And one thing that he’s always said is, “I ain’t been wrong yet.” That’s his favorite saying. “I ain’t been wrong yet, so ride wit’ me.” So, I gotta ride wit’ him.

His production skills are still unlike anybody else. His ears is still unlike anybody else’s. It’s just about finding that right message. The times have changed; the kids are on some different shit. You don’t have to be the hardest nigga on the street to be the hardest nigga on a record. And [you can] actually say some shit that means some shit and it touch more muthafuckas these days on the street level - especially coming from Dre. He’s the history of west coast Rap music. You take away Dre from west coast Rap and there is no west coast Rap.

DX: But that guy from Dallas, he had a lot to do with it.

The D.O.C.: You take away that cat from Dallas from Dre and you might not have no Dre. [Laughs] Nah, you’d have a Dre. He was way too good. That’s why I followed him so easy. I like to tell him that before the world knew he was great I knew it, and believed it. And he knew the same thing [about me]. He likes to joke and say when I drove that car off the freeway that I fucked off his money. Which used to really piss me off, to be honest wit’chu. Don’t say no shit like that, muthafucka. But, Dre’s got a really warped sense of humor and he meant it with love. What he was saying was, Nigga, we was supposed to make all kinds of money making music together. And it’s the truth. ‘Cause I understand that dudes production probably better than anybody else that’s ever been on one of his beats. … I understand what Dre means to do when he’s making those drums, the picture that he’s trying to paint. So I just write the words to fit the picture. The song ain’t really about me; the song has its own life. I’m just the muthafucka that wrote it.

And I gotta give kudos to Jay-Z, ‘cause he’s the only person that I’ve ever heard…say that the Rap artist is like an instrument. That our job is to find our place inside the beat where you don’t disturb the groove, and say whatever you gotta say. You know, play your horn. Don’t make muthafuckas not be able to bob their head to the drums [because they’re distracted by] what you got to say. That’s what makes Eminem so great. Eminem, he doesn’t miss a fuckin’ tick in the [beat]. He’s on every fuckin’ hit of the hi-hat.

DX: That must’ve been a little surreal when you met him …. Like, This dude? This guy? Really? [Laughs]

The D.O.C.: I was over Dre’s house. … And Dre says, “I got somebody I want you to hear.” And he played the record “I Just Don’t Give A Fuck.” And I was like, “Wow, this muthafucka is off the chain, Doc. You got you one.” Then he showed me the picture of him and I was like, “What?! Are you fuckin’ serious?! This muthafucka is great!”

DX: [Laughs] What’s Em think of [you]; was he paying homage when y’all met?

The D.O.C.: Last time I saw Eminem he had sent a CD of the No One Can Do It Better album to the studio for me to autograph and send it back to him.  

Purchase Music by The D.O.C.



  • Stephen

    DOC was a good rapper but I think he was patting his self on the back too much. Go back and listen to the Grand Finale on his own album and tell me if Ice Cube didn't kill that fool. Showing why maybe Cube should have been the first one to do a solo album on Ruthless js...

  • AKT Jr.

    The DOC is a LEGEND. The GREATEST GHOSTWRITER in HIP HOP. This man deserves hella respect! He molded Snoop, Wrote Dre & Snoop those raw ass lyrics on The Chronic, Helped build Ruthless & Death Row Records. No One Can Do It Better and hasnt done it better since. It hasn't been "Funky Enough" since 89.

  • Mati

    great read. What´s up with the surgery and the documentary? Did he ever actually do it?

  • Yimnotsmart

    Very good interview! I was in 10th grade when the D.O.C. Came out. I still remember the parties bumpin funky enough! I have to disagree but I always thought the FORMULA was his best song.

  • Esau

    growing up in medford orgeon, me and my firends would always listen to classic hip-hop, i mean ive been following Dre, N.W.A., Snoop, and all the west cost cats and i have much love and respect for all them dudes, so reading this has changed a few things but even tho The D.O.C. Spoke the truth i still have much more respect for the D.O.C., and Dre. thanks you The D.O.C. you are the G.O.D.

  • D.O.C. The G.O.D.

    This man has done more for Hip Hop then Dre or Em will ever admit.

    • Pacino

      That situation was way before Em's time so how would he be able to "admit" anything? The guy is also humble as fuck and a mega fan of rap, if you asked him what he thought of DOC's contribution as a fan he would most likely be there all day.

  • jb

    great read...I grew up listening to these dudes. d.o.c. down playing his fuck ups tho and giving his self too much props for starting nwa is egotistical. I can see why he broke and no one wanted to fuck with him.

  • johnyleans

    I want to hear more, that interview should be another 2000 words long. I would love to read or watch his take on that era.

  • IRO

    Sad situation funny thing he begging to go back

  • Put my dick in your mouth

    why should he care what eminem thinks of him?

  • Ruf Diggs

    Interesting interview, but I hate it when the interviewer is in suck-up mode and tries to anticipate the response - like here, Paul W Arnold knows the DOC isn't cool with Jerry Heller, so he asks the question about the stuff Heller claims to have bought for the DOC in a sarcastic way, like "Ha ha, we both know he didn't actually get you that stuff". He should have just straight up asked him about it. Turns out Heller did buy him the stuff, it's just that the DOC also believes Heller had already ripped him off and was just "giving" it to him out of money Ruthless had that was rightly the DOCs. I know it is human nature to ingratiate, but writers don't know how weak they make themselves sound when they word stuff this way.

    • 562 Killa G --Rf19-BN--

      I can give the writer a pass for being friendly out of interest for fixing up the most informational piece possible, but he did make himself sound like a bitch the way he transcribed it. All that "boy oh boy" and "[laughs]" and shit, that can be omitted without compromising journalistic integrity.

  • Craig Ralton

    I meant to say 10 year old :-)

  • Craig Ralton

    Helter Skelter was an excellent album that was under-rated, almost as good as Gravediggaz Niggamortis. I heard my first hip hop track in 87 and by 89 I was fully hooked.....a year old white Scottish boy in New Zealand jammin Dilicious Vinyl, one of my favourite tunes then by G Love E and MC Young, Know how

  • Matija Jinks

    I just love The D.O.C., he come off as passive aggressive on all of his interviews; but his music is awesome, he seems like an awesome person and he's honest, which is something that not very many other artists are.

  • kedordu



    Dam, I wish the interviewer wouldve probed the DOC a lil more on the 2pac murder. DOC sounded like he knew exactly wtf happen to Pac. "I know everything". Dam, for a second, I thought he was about to let the cat out the bag.......And I dont care what anyone says, I truly believe that Dre is a homosexual. DOC knows it to, he is just so stuck on him and Dre being brothers, that he wouldnt air him out like that, but that nigga Dre is gay.

  • rightb

    So the D.O.C says he never really needed Dre, so why is he complaining? We all know the list of the artists Dre has brought out, and now we know the list of the artists D.O.C just claims to have created.


    "My ex broad's best friend went to school with this dude. How u go from nursing student to goon? Fuck outta here." was about Plies from another post. Didnt mean to cut and paste.


    I remember seeing NWA on tour. Before they came out, they dimmed the lights and Laylay came out and said "Ladies and Gentlemen "The D.O.C" Then this nigga DOC comes out with a black trench coat and does the intro to The Doc and The Doctor and bailed. Hardest shit ever. Funny how Premo is the architect of the East Coast sound and Doc is the same for the West Coast, and they are both form TX. The South stays winning. My ex broad's best friend went to school with this dude. How u go from nursing student to goon? Fuck outta here. Now go BANG some real shit.

  • Enlightened

    Niggas can say what they want...he hatin' blah blah blah But if you're old enough to remember these niggas it's crazy how much MC Ren, Eazy, Cube and Dre I SEE and HEAR when I look at these old videos. If you really saw NWA when they were out you know what I mean. I thought that was actually MC Ren talking at first on the Doc and the Doctor

  • Anonymous

    shit take this old ass news down

  • Anonymous

    I remember D.O.C. in Atlanta in the early to mid-90's, and he always spoke when he saw you, always kept it real, and always told you who worshipping the Devil! LOL!

  • Eric AkaDjefn

    Good interview.. At times hard to follow and ends abruptly but good none the less.

  • Old Head.

    Dope interview. That's all.

  • Whyklev79

    Part 1 and Part 2 are both fantastic reads. This is how an artist should get down during an interview.

  • ihjh

    this nigga got a serious ego "i'm the best, i was the greatest, they took me here cus i was the shit", he's a fuckin cry-baby "i thought somebody was gonna do this for me, i expected him to give me this" and he thinks somebody owes him something, and in a sense they do but did he ever stop and think that he never got anything out of any this because he never reached for it....of course niggas is gon take ur money and ideas if u dont say anything about seems like they kept him high, drunk and with women to appease him and took his lyrics and ideas while he was in a fog which his own fault. i respect this man but at the same time he sounds like a bitter, "i used to be this" type person

    • kedordu


    • keyz33

      I love it D.O.C is one of the greatest to touch the mic, I can't wait til he drops the book and or documentory. @ ihjh, you have got to be one of the dumbest muthafuckas out to say that D.O.C is a cry baby, you have no sence of real respect. I can see where The Doc is coming from, hell Dr.Dre owes this nigga half of everything he has because if there was no D.O.C there would be no Aftermath Records. I'm a huge fan of Dre's and alwayz will be but after reading this I see him in a new light, I was alwayz told judge a man by his character and Dre is on some bitch shit for playin Doc like he did especially if there as close as Doc says they are. My brother wouldn't have to ask for shit he'd already have it because I am my brothers keeper and that's some real shit!!!

    • O

      Yea, but .. If you listen to Rap music for two years before his album, and two years after his album, you can see what he is saying. Eazy E was biting Ice T, who was biting Schooly D. In fact almost every Gangster Rap of that era was biting Schooly D in one way or another, and DOC probably was influenced by Schooly D too. But DOC was way ahead of the curve when it came to progressive rap styles on No One Can Do It Better. Those NWA cats couldnt even keep up w/ the parts of his style they used, it made them sound sloppy. The Jamaican Patois thing, one take? Brilliant.

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  • REAL HIP HOP 1984

    Yo all these hip hop cats is legends Eazy, Dre, Ren, Cube, Yella, D.O.C., Snoop, Nate Dogg, they're all great and we would never know of any of them if it wasnt for them all collectively knowing eachother, it aint like one of these cats gets all the credit for another blowin up and puttin west coast hip hop on the map, D.O.C. might ve wrote plenty and help push their direction with writing but it was still Eazy E's voice, or Dre's voice or Snoop's voice or D.O.C's voice that pushed me to buy their albums it wasnt just the words that they said that caused me to buy it, it was the beat the lyrics, and the delivery of their voice (the sound) as a collective that pushed me to want to own that music on cassette or CD, they are all great and west coast hip hop will never be as great as it was in the late 80's through the mid 90's, they were all legends who were blessed and im just happy I was alive to witness them

  • Aaa

    DOC: "I was really arrogant back then" You still are DOC! This guy takes credit for all these great albums. It's as if NWA and Snoop couldn't have come up with any decent album without him. Well, his own Deuce album was his chance to prove that but it was just a so-so album. I love No One Can Do It Better but that's it. DOC seems to be a bitter guy who is disillusioned. Case in point, he says he came up with the name Death Row, but he himself says that he said Def Row, and it was really Jewell who said Death Row. Every time he leaves Dre's camp, he disses Dre. Then, he will join Dre again then sing praises at Dre. DOC needs a shrink.

  • James

    Quote of the interview: I was TUPAC even before TUPAC... and we all know the end result of this TRAGEDY! sadly, your right Death Row records was a MESS and too gangster to voice anything during this time period. but Dr. Dre should be taking care of this dude hand and hand like Bleek and Jay-Z. D.O.C is a lyrical MONSTER!

  • rydersix10

    dudes always trying to shit on Eazy-E...i don't believe that devil worshipping shit one bit...dudes on the westcoast involved in the music business at that time were just jealous because Eazy-E made more money then they did...he was the intelligent one who made the greatest financial moves...and he actually looked into and studied the business...he was a legend strictly because he was so business savy. N.W.A was mad because he made a solo album and got extra money, plus money off of N.W.A. he was suppose to get that money. it was his solo album and he was a part of n.w.a. When Ice Cube left and did his solo album eazy e wasnt throwing stones at him about getting his own money. its sad to see how jealous most artist were and still are of Eazy E.


      eazy-e blatently says his soul is kin to the devil,he always looks dark an hes done symbolizim,an he did shady buisiness with a white definetly see devil worshipping in there...

  • Anonymous

    Detox Needs to feature only West Coast Artist, from the Vets to the rookies.This Rap game goes in a 360 degree angle.It's the Left coast time again,this comin from a $outherner."Pimp" spoke on it before he past away.

  • Goodson

    Dat was a cool interview. I think if Dre reads it, he might cut D.O.C a check.But either one of 'em shd be back here 2 let us know wat would have transpired.But none da less, i cant hold it back or trip on Dre.He's ev thang hiphop is 2 me.But i wanna see both legends making peace.Shit like this is gonna further hurt da westcoast.

  • Anonymous

    What D.O.C is sayin is dre used him for his "Gangsta" Lyrical penmanship,Nowadays he's not needed like tha early '90's to the Death Row era,Even though he's a well rounded Ghostwriter.Dre is tryin to appeal to a much younger audience. New genre "Hip-Pop".Not to take anything from any of the West Coast Legends,These Younger Cats out West are more Lyrical w/o the Gangsta mentality in there music.Explains why he's showin Love to the Kendrick Lamar,Jay Rock...,Eminem replaced Doc's ghostwritin from 1998 til his return in '01....D.O.C's vision must of been f_cked Up to cause lookin @ the Ghetto Boys in H-town doin their thang,he should put Dallas on the Map as talented as he was.It's called Independent.I could've told'em this Rap sh!t was worldwide back in 1990 from Listen to Rap-A-lot records.Texas sit @ the bottom of United States but in the middle of everything so grow'n up I No he listen to everything from the East Coast to the West,sh!t I'm N.C. and I did, f_ck what everybody else was listen to I'm get this game from these N!99as over here to stay ahead of the Game.I Bought Artist's C.D's out of Iowa to DMG out that St.Paul, Mn. But I Understand D.O.C's Luv for the Art.Should've seen Dre's "Jerry Heller & Suge" ways though, now the New Younger cats got to watch'em.

  • The Wigger Hater

    good interview


  • Anonymous

    The reason this guy stayed quiet because that was a violent, crazy era.

  • derryck

    Best damn article I've read on the site to date! It was mad long, but it was so important to hear his side of the story of NWA. His 1st album was one of the best ever no doubt.

  • Anonymous

    I respect the D.O.C but he sideways hating on Dre this whole article In one breathe he saying "Dre is my brother, I love him and I dont wanna badmouth him" and then in the next he's letting all them Behind the scenes stories out, knowing the fans are gonna have an opinion Kind of like an Ex Girlfriend who wants to pretend she's over it, yet cant stop talking shit..... "I love Dre, Dre is my brother" "Dre didnt treat me right" "Dre did alot for me" "Dre didnt do enough for me" "I wrote lyrics for Snoop" (Old interview) "I just helped snoop write lyrics" Passive aggressive much??...... I wish the guy would either full out say "Fuck Dre" or stay quiet, cant stand people who try to act like this, "I dont have any problems, but.....", lol, sounds like you got a beef to me, just admit it


      Totally agree....this is what made the interview annoying. Sounds to me that DOC and Dres "brotherhood" is a little one sided. Maybe Doc thinks they are closer then what they are. Dre worth 500 million and that nigga cant break you off with shit? DOC shouldve fell back on the over drinking and smoking and tended to his business. He was on somebody buddy shit, thinking his brothers where gonna have his back regardless, now look at this nigga, assed out....shitz sad...

  • EE

    Good interview... DOC is a living legend...

  • Tony Raje' Brackins

    I hope Dre just drop him a Mili, so he'll stop complaining and get back to the music

  • Mrnw10

    This was a good read and I feel for D.O.C but at the same time dude didn't really help himself. How can you work like that, not get paid and just keep your mouth shut? Seems a little bit suspect to me and read this interview with a pinch of salt! Not denying this dude got talent but anybody with bills to pay and family ain't gonna take that shit and if you did you stupid and cannot really be surprised you got knocked. I just hope today's ghost writers learn from this dude!

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  • godMeta

    Yo great interview. This is a classic example of when loyalty goes wrong. Be loyal to yourself first! Dont expect the the next man to take care of you.

  • Anonymous

    kind of subtle way to end interview, been anticipatin this 2nd part

  • Anonymous

    fuckin music industry is gased

  • Abshir Bile

    holy motherfucking shit. that was a crazy read, not gonna say anything though, dont think its worth it

  • Bobby

    WOW. Made respect to D.O.C. but I gtta say that money changes niggas. This is some real shit. I cant wait for the documentary.

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  • Special Ed

    It's a great interview from a great man, and I'm sure the documentary will be awesome, and will probably help some people in your position realize that 'family ain't family no more' (Wu-Tang)... There are probably a whole lot of guys in the rap game in your position, or on the early road you were in 20 years ago that'll wake up and say F* that, let me handle mine... Off the top, I think of Beanie Sigel... It saddens me that such a great mind like yourself ended up this way because some guys decided to exploit you rather than understand the love you had for them, and that Sh*t came up an still blew up in your face because these same guys didn't even bother to appreciate your skill... You were just that guy to go to for ideas... This happens so much in so many different facets of society... Going to the janitor for tips on your next board meeting, tapping into the bar-tender for you next big party, and even asking your driver for advice on a big money deal... The sad thing though, these big shots don't see past their money... and that's all it is... MONEY... I really hope you do come back D.O.C... I won't lie, I didn't know you before this whole thing with you leaving Dre started, but your story has touched me deeply... I'll follow and tell the story of a man who had so much, but lost it all because of the love he had for a friend, a brother... That's some real classic 19th century 'Othello' sh*t right there man... I pray that surgery comes through and I get to hear my first D.O.C album... I've never heard your voice, so I'll wait for the album that'll come out after the op... Because to me, that's the real D.O.C... The man after all the BS he went through... Take care man, and thanks doe sharing...

  • Matt

    When you hear this story it sorta breaks your heart...When you think of all that Dr.Dre was affiliated with whether it was from the World Class Wrecking Crew, to The Fila Fresh Crew,to NWA,to Death Row or to the Chronic 2001 you also affiliate the D.O.C as well..The D.O.C was to the West Coast Rap scene as Rakim was to the East Coast rap scene.The West Coast did not have many MC's who focused strictly on lyrical greatness like the East Coast..The West Coast were facing much tougher and difficult struggles then the East Coast had too during that time. Struggles such as poverty, the war waged by the Reagan administration against drugs, police brutality, and equal rights.NWA was not trying to compete against MCs like LL, Rakim, Krs-1, Run DmC..There focus was fighting against the harsh realties there communities were living in..Back then East Coast Hip Hop media outlets really did not pay as much mind to what was affecting troubled neighborhoods on the West Coast and that is why I always said Public Enemy in many ways relayed the West Coast message of Police Brutality and the fight for Equal RIghts on the East Coast..As both groups were the main focus for these powerful messages against Whitestream America, the East still had so many MC's that were still all about the MIC, where the West Coast had very little...But the one who helped paved the way on the West Coast and defined the WEst Coast MC was the D.O.C..I must also not forget to mention King T and Too Short..Being that I am white and I live in NY those few from the West Coast who I mentioned were just as great as the ones I mentioned from the East and that is why for so many years the West Coast would eventually wage war against East Coast Radio Stations because they believed they too had great MC's not just rappers that made gangster rap..Too me the D.O.C was very influential to Hip Hop period and I think the fact his name and legacy has been lost is very sad...Without guys like D.O.C , King T, and T SHort there probally is never Tupac or the Game...So to the D.O.C I want to thank you for everything you have done and contributed..You deserve as much honor in your legacy as Rakim, Krs1, Eminem or any other great MC>.

    • rydersix10

      @Matt, i lived in the Bronx in the 80's and most of the buildings in the bronx were burnt down because black people were trying to collect money from the goverment..blacks and hispanics were so poor and hungry in New York during the 80s that they were literally burning down their own buildings hoping to get checks from the goverment...not to mention all the crack and what that yeah the westcoast went through their troubles but the Eastcoast was just as bad if not worse at that time...If you watch American Gangster...the majority of the drug dealers and kingpins on their came from N.Y....and they all came from either the 70's and mostly 80's periods...

    • H.I.T.T.M.M.A.N.

      1st of all drugs hit ghetto`s all over @ the same time. But I guess you would have to be from the ghetto to notice such a thing. @ 2nd,P.E. & N.W.A. are nothing alike. Fuck tha Police was N.W.A.`s only anti-establishment song,while Public Enemy whole career is based on a rebelious theme. 3rd,Rakim is Rakim & the D.O.C. is the D.O.C.,I trip out when cats say that he is the West Coast version of Ra. Their styles are nothing alike & they were never compared to each other in that era.Rakim don`t got no song that sounds like Funky Enough & D.O.C. has nothing that sounds Follow The Leader. But I can agree that the D.O.C. needs to be mentioned amongst the elite emcee`s.

  • Wendell Man Man Dodson

    what up doc? i love the interview but when it comes to eazy fucking you, that shit was business man you said your self you sold that publishing for that d.o.c chain. and as far as dre that nigga is not a good business man look at how many mc's he's fucked over. And the real reason his shit falls apart is because he got JIMMY IOVINE shoving money in his face to keep yall niggaz and his mind off the big picture.and im still your biggest fan my dude.

  • Anonymous

    MPistol I feel you. This dude is talented but should have found God a lot earlier in life, cause he has effed up his thoroughly...

  • LeJames

    O wtf with this devilworshipping shit?!? this was real with eazy-e? I'm glad DOC finnally can break free from his fucked up past. Really fucked up about the part where the crew didnt want him in the group pics.

  • JJ

    The best shit I read in a while....(In young Jeezy's voice)..."RAP GAME FUCKED UP"....The rap game been fucked up and im glad DOC shed some light on it.

  • Liles

    Tray leaves out a little fact: the first time he ever heard Eazy or CIA or NWA was on my "Life Is Hard" radio show on KNON in Dallas in 1986. My show came on right after the "All Hearty Def Party" with Snake and Big Al on Wednesday nights, and at that very same time, an A&R rep for Island Records named Kim Buie was trying to sign both my group, Decadent Dub Team, and the NWA crew, who she had discovered in performing every weekend at a roller rink in Compton, California. Eric Wright, (who was the first person I ever knew who had a cell phone) and I met in Kim's office one day out in LA, and he started sending me the early cassette tape demos of "Boyz N Tha Hood", "Dope Man" and "8 Ball". Our show was playing NWA on the radio before they ever even had records out. A month or so later, one of my group's songs was selected for the soundtrack to the movie "Colors", and Kim arranged for Dr. Dre to to the remix the track for $500. ("Six Gun" - second song, side one) Around that time, Island made an offer to Eric and Dre to sign NWA, and they passed and signed with Priority instead. I still remember the night Tray heard "Boyz N' Tha Hood" for the first time. He had been in the KNON studio visiting Snake and Big Al, and was literally on his way out the door that night. About ten seconds into the song, he turned around and said, "WHAT IS THAT?" I told him about Eric, Dre, CIA and the stuff that they were doing. About six months later he was working with them.

  • Lt. Rick Hunter

    When D.O.C. lost his voice in the car accident MC Ren became my favorite. But MC Ren ran outta juice!

  • MPistol

    devil worshipers yo? I mean are you fukin serious? what kind of clown ass....... D.O.C is totally OFF my respect radar! if the 1st part of the interview didn't do it, this one here put all the nails in this guy is a pure moron for trying to "ride" with Dre all this time, like you some fukn golden retriever!! i mean WTF?!?! GROW UP!!! yo this cat fukt off at a time in his life when he had to take care of home - that whole car accident thing, that was your time to put you first and change everything in your life - it aint ever gonna be "god" or some "pray" bullshit, it's gonna be YOU (perhaps in a hospital bed with a crushed voice box) and if that moment you don't change YOURSELF for the better - then there IS NOT SHIT that is gonna do it for you that's the fukn lesson here kids - learn from this dude who is clearly an idiot that hasn't learned shit yet I actually gained respect for Dre for distancing himself from this clown - like damn man - this shit is SAD!!!

    • RealThug

      First of MPistol its easy for you to talk shit about what you wold do about somthing that happen many years ago. Stop all the Doc bashing pymping not matter what you do you will never accomplish any of the things Doc has onu a bad day so on that factor your the moron itdiot!

  • khordkutta

    "Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit, because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure." - Tacitus, c. A.D. 55-120

  • Assassin221

    Will read later, this shit is too long. Why does DX always put long-ass interviews in the news section?

  • jack johnson

    wtf??? from the title you bastards had me waiting this whole time to read something really interesting about Eminem and D.O.C. and all it turns out to be is one damn sentence at the end about Eminem wanting his autograph wtf man and i'd been hearing rumors of eazy-e and dre being devil worshipors too lol but i was never sure if it was true but it always made sense when you look at the early music they made glorifying rape and violence, even the music video "Puppet Master" dre did

    • FromDat202

      Go to YouTube and watch "East Coast/West Coast Killaz". Dre, Nas, KRS and RBX. Tell me what yall think.

    • Rick

      Puppet Master was Soull Assassins...That was Muggs who produced that. At the time Dre & Muggs had the West on lock... Dre with Death Row and Muggs with the Soul Assassins.

    • jack johnson

      and i still don't understand why these guys are tryna praise slim da mobster the guy is wack

  • L.A don

    "Eazy was [implying] that he was into this devil worshipping shit" lol I KNEW ALL ALONG YOU WANNA GET BIG U GOTTA SELL YOUR SOUL

  • Almar

    Damn Man, what a great interview, This guy has had his fingerprints on some of the greatest music ever, Its a shame that he was effected so much by that car accident, because he would have made an even bigger mark in the game then he already has.

  • L.A don

    If this Nigga didnt Get Hurt...HE and And Not Tupac Would Be the Greatest Ever On Everything What IF......and Dr Dre is a Bitch

  • Joe Black

    The DOC is one of the Greatest to EVER do it. Sad to hear how tha drugs and his mental place clouded his judgement. I'm hopin he continues to do his thing. I want to hear what else he plans to say beyond tha Chronic themes.

  • Anonymous

    He never said it but it was kinda implied that detox will be more of the same ole blunts and 64's. Dre needs to leave that to the Game. how sad is it that after 20 years, Dre still hasn't expanded his subject matter.

    • I'm At Work And Bored

      no shit, during '96 Dre was making songs about New World Order and Illuminati. Now he's back to 40s, hoes and weed. yawn

    • khordkutta

      "The man who views the world at fifty the same as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life" - Muhammad Ali

    • Anonymous

      i would not complain at an artists maturing. i actually liked kingdom come

    • Anonymous

      Yeah Right, And if he does rap about something diffrent you'll just say "Man, Dre sold Out, how the fuck he gonna forget what people loved about him in the first place" Case and point, that "I Need A Doctor" joint, has nothing to do with blunts or 64's, and everybody hates it, and if you go to Itunes, the comments read "Dre needs to make that lowrider music again" Cant make everybody happy

    • Joe Black

      @Truth Seeker You Right...K-Rahn is TIGHT! Heard the WHY joint. Him and Dre would be a dope combo!

    • Truth Seeker

      Yeah, I'm definitely hopin Dre will branch out to some more mature and relevant themes on Detox. If he linked up with K-Rahn that would be off tha chain! He gotta new single called WHY that would be dope if Dre touched it.

  • Take that

    Lets be honest. How many years do waste while not getting paid??? Does this nigga have a brain??? Business sense? Balls? Its one thing to go a couple of years without getting yours. BUT 20+ YEARS!!! And you just stuck around cuz u have a boner for DRE?? I respect DOC's music, but he one dumb nigga!

    • Brown Suga

      I agree he should have peeped the scene. He made to many references to times he should have seen himself on the outside looking in. Why didnt he go and fuck with Cube after he left? If they treated him like an outsider why didnt he make sure his shit was being handled by the time Snoop came around? You cant expect a nigga to feed you when you not worried about no bread. Nothing lasts forever. Why didn't Suge stay with him instead of taking the company over himself?

    • jack johnson

      they probably paid him in drugs, women, cars and jewellery etc which is why he has nothing now coz he used it all up instead of being smart and getting the publishing instead

  • Jon

    Hopefully the surgery goes successful and he gets his voice back. If he gets to rap any close to his '89 days, I expect Dre to pick up the phone. Defo want to hear D.O.C. on Dre beats again.

  • Rick

    can you imagine if D.O.C. and Premier were to have met back in the day.....WOW!!! Would the Boom Bap sound be considered Texas Hip Hop instead of NY Hip Hop?

  • Rick

    DAMN! Thats some fucked up shit for Dre to do...He never offered dude some $$$ D.O.C. is one of the best to EVER do it. He had a mixture of Cube, Kane & Rakim all in one. Plus his voice was fuckin' ill!!!!!

  • Mylie

    wow hip hop dx this was great read. classic

  • Big Log

    No one can do it better for sure, man i hope he do drope the documentary soon, this guy got screew, big time, so too all your'll youngster, hope your'll was reading and listening up, aint no love or friend when it come's too money, a nigga will use you to get what the want, all in the name of you his brother and nigga, the oldest rule in the book still apply, A FOOL AND HIS MONEY SOON PART.

  • Cam

    When is the documentary coming out?

  • Anonymous

    I always wonder where this motherfucker would be today if that Accident hadnt happened Hip Hop Tragedy

  • Francisco Javier Flores

    Cant stop listening to "No One Can Do It Better"

  • Anonymous

    man we need dat documentary a.s.a.p

  • JoeM

    This is the dopest interview/story/series I've ever seen on HipHopDX or ANY hip hop site for that matter. I actually want to read MORE. GET DOC BACK OVER HERE!

  • John Carter

    "No one can do it better" is definitely a old school classic. shit, almost half the songs on that album are on GTA San Andreas

  • Lsn22s

    great interview Hiphopdx....that was a good fucking read right there.... anyone interested should check out the book 'Have Gun, Will Travel' about the rise and fall of Death Row records...the book repeats a couple of its points but is PACKED with A LOT of interesting stuff to read...lots of stuff about Suge, Pac, N.W.A and all types of west coast history...seriously, anyone who's a real big fan of west coast hiphop should read it... hope shit works out for D.O.C., and i would love to check this documentary out if he makes of luck to him, hope he gets his voice back for real!!!

  • I'm At Work And Bored

    awesome interview. D.O.C. is a lengend fo sho. i wish you guys would of asked him about Arabian Prince. He was member of N.W.A. and was even on the cover of the first album. Did he get kicked out or did he leave on his own?

    • say-what

      Arabian Prince? I wouldn't be suprised if he was a REAL G in the streets.....and NWA used his street knowledge to get rich. I remember that NWA and The Posse record cover...AP was on there, and so was Candy Man ("Knockin' Da Boots"). Always wondered what was his place in the NWA legacy. NEED THA DOCUMENTARY ASAP. MUCH RESPECT TO THE DOC. LIKE THE OLD SAYING GOES, THE GAME IS TO BE SOLD, NOT TOLD. He gave us a lil preview of what's to come.

  • Anonymous

    this interview is epic. Everyone who knows any better knows, DOC was as important to NWA as ice cube. doc=west coast rakim

  • Devin Williams

    Damn D.O.C. got some shit to say!

  • Shuttaman

    SO this nigga D.O.C. used to fuck hoes in clubs in girl bathrooms wit suge protecting the door..... Well damn. I gotta start rapping and get a big lightskinned bodyguard.





  • Jahbari Townsend

    Dope interview!

    • mac low the boss

      I am from the west , where D.o.c. came from ! I have been trying to work with this cat for 10 or more years. If you find the time check out my sound it's hot .

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