Producer's Corner: Stoupe

A super-rare with the reclusive producer for Jedi Mind Tricks, as he talks about working with Canibus, the late Guru and his new Trip Hop group, Dutch.

Like fellow underground Hip Hop production icons Madlib and Ant, Stoupe The Enemy of Mankind is infamously reclusive for interviews, but his music speaks for itself.

As the production half of indie rap staple Jedi Mind Tricks, his array of intricate, layered backdrops are as enigmatic as they are compelling. After years of lacing the likes of JMT emcee Vinnie Paz, Canibus and Guru, the Philly producer plunges into Trip Hop with A Bright Cold Day, his album with singer Liz Fullerton as the duo Dutch. It turns out that Stoupe hardly comes across as an enemy, but a humorously shy, humble musical savant as talks about past and present projects, and tries to decipher the success of Jedi Mind Tricks.

HipHopDX: You seem like a friendly, cool-ass dude. So why don’t you do interviews?
Stoupe: 'Cause I’m bad at them.

DX: [Laughs]
Stoupe: I’m not the front person of [Jedi Mind Tricks, Dutch or Army of Pharaohs]. I guess the front person is the one who does all the talking. What do they call that? The front? The head?

DX: The front man.
Stoupe: Yeah, the front man. I guess that’s the person who should usually be doing the interviews.

DX: That’s funny because in general on the albums, Vinnie is the front man from a  personality stand point, but artistically, your beats add as much to the album as he does, maybe even more.
Stoupe: I like that you said that, lack of personality. That’s probably another reason why I don’t get any interviews. [Laughs]

DX: So is that also why you don’t show your face a lot too? It’s just sort of whatever?
Stoupe: Nah, that’s because I’m so handsome. I’m trying to let everyone else get the girls. No, but I’ve never seen one picture I look good in, maybe because I don’t. So that’s why. I’m shy, I guess that’s why.

DX: I wouldn’t think you’re that shy, because your beats normally aren’t that reserved. Your beats are real robust.
Stoupe: You think?

DX: Yeah. They just seem to have a lot of personality to me.
Stoupe: That’s to cover the lack of real personality. You’d have to make up for it, I don’t know.

DX: Well, one thing about your discography is that you have a good amount of material, but you only work with certain artists. How do you decide who you want to work with?
Stoupe: Well basically, I don’t know how to answer that question. I guess I just get so much time to work on the record that I have to choose from there. I have a regular job, so I don’t get that much time to make a record. I guess I’m just selective, because I can only work with one person for three years. So when you have the time to do it, it’s like that.

DX: Granted you only get to work with limited people, but how do you actually decide who gets to work with you?
Stoupe: Mostly, it’s just who wants to work with me. I don’t have too many people asking to work with me. With Vinnie [Paz], it was just as children, we were friends growing up and that was one thing. And then I guess the next person I’m working with is Liz [Fullerton], and that was based on her ability to, I guess, bring something to a project. I haven’t really worked with anybody between then.  

DX: So what do you think it is about you and Vinnie that makes you guys mesh so well musically? Do you think it’s just because grew up together?
Stoupe: I think Vinnie has a great ability to adapt. If I have three different styles of songs, he can write an appropriate verse to each one. It’s nothing except that he has that talent to do that. I don’t know what that word is, but not too many people can do that. He could be just a mad spitter, but that’s what they do. It would be hard to do one song for Vinnie, and then a completely different song for another [emcee]. They need to compliment what I’m doing.

DX: I feel the same way because he can do joints where he is just spazzing and he can do a storytelling joint. But it’s interesting because it seems like people pigeon hole you all for making a certain type of music. Have you seen that same thing?
Stoupe: Of course, yeah.

DX: So is that frustrating to you?
Stoupe: I can understand why people would get frustrated by that, but then I get people who can separate it. Like, one person could listen and think this song has a great beat, and then another person could listen to the same song and think it’s kind of fast-paced, and then another person could think something totally different about the same song.

DX: So you and Vinnie can make different types of songs together, but what is your favorite type of song to make with him? Or better yet, what is your favorite song that you’ve made with him? Do you have one?
Stoupe: I don’t know right now, but that’s a good question. Probably one of the concept ones.

DX: My editor pointed out something to me that I had never realized. You guys have chart success with your albums. You guys crack the Billboard 200 with your albums, which a lot of underground and indie artists don’t normally do, even the more successful ones. What do you think it is about your material that allows you guys to do that?
Stoupe: I have no idea, do you?

DX: Nope.
Stoupe: Yeah I have no clue. I don’t think we try to fit a formula to do that either. I guess we’re just lucky. Like you were saying two seconds ago, with some of the topics we discuss, I’m surprised we crack that. It seems like such a mainstream thing, but I guess that’s why you brought it up. I have no clue.

DX: But granted, it sometimes depends on the fact that a lot of indie acts have fans that know they’re indie, so they make it a point to support them.
Stoupe: Yeah that could be it. We have great fans, because you don’t have to buy anything these days. And with [Dutch's A Bright Cold Day], I don’t know if people will be as into it, if they’re fans of Jedi Mind Tricks. Some of them might still just buy it to support. And it’s the only way, on my behalf, that I would get money from doing music. So fans are pretty cool like that. But I think we try hard too.

DX: And you guys are also pretty consistent. You guys have had an album come out every few years since you’ve been out. What was your history with music like before you started working with Vinnie? Like, did you have any musical classes? Because your music has a lot of different elements
Stoupe: It’s just self-taught. Continuously teaching and learning.

DX: Have you taught yourself any instruments or are you an aficionado for different movies? Because your stuff has a lot of different samples and instruments. It’s not just a matter of you looping shit.
Stoupe: Like for example, me and my friend went into a store and saw an accordion, and now I just want one to have so I can beat up the keys and put that sound on a record. That’s how I get interested in using different sounds. I’m a big fan of sounds.

DX: Where do you look for your styles and sounds?
Stoupe: Everywhere. You can find me in street. I’m trying to do this EQ. Well, I’m trying to do this video now, where I try to show how I get sounds from nature and stuff.

DX: So the video is going to show where you get your sounds from?
Stoupe: I don’t know. I’m going to try and make sure that it comes across to show how I do it.

DX: It seems like your stuff has a lot of random movie samples, and it just seems like there’s a lot of different places that it comes from.
Stoupe: Yeah, I mean if you want a dope plane sound, go the airport and get it yourself.

DX: [Laughs] Now what type of stuff were you listening to when you were trying to get your style?
Stoupe: I listen to everything. There’s nothing that I won’t listen to. It can come from anywhere.

DX: Like you said, you’ve worked with Vinnie and you’ve worked with Liz on this new project. Are there any other emcees that you think would fit your style, that you would do an album with if you had the chance to?
Stoupe: I’d like to do albums with a lot of people. It’s just hard to get it working. Do you have any ideas?

DX: Nah. It would be Canibus, but you already did that. It’s really hard to think about actually.
Stoupe: I’m trying to do a remix project, and it’s hard getting emcees to do that.

DX: Really? Having trouble getting emcees to sign on, or finding acapellas?
Stoupe: Just getting them on, and then it could just be a free thing to put out. Do you know anybody out there I could get?

DX: In Michigan?
Stoupe: Yeah.

DX: Let me think….ever heard of Guilty Simpson?
Stoupe: Yeah, I think he’s already famous. But he’s really dope.

DX: It’s hard to think of rappers that could fit the style I know you for. But you did get to work with Guru, right?
Stoupe: Yes

DX: Did you actually get to work in the studio with him?
Stoupe: Nah, I never worked with [Guru or Canibus] in a studio, but he called me up and introduced himself. Really cool dude, it seemed, from the whole time I got to talk to him.

DX: How did you link with Canibus?
Stoupe: I really didn’t. [Babygrande Records] just had a CD and I was asked to remix it.

DX: Wow, so you just had the vocals and then added music to them?
Stoupe: That’s about it. I had a month to do [Rip The Jacker]. I can’t say I did much, those are my real feelings. But I had a month to do those remixes, and then I had to give it to the record company.

DX: Have you done any other albums like that?
Stoupe: [Laughs] Most are, but I usually have more time. Even the other records, it’s the same shit. It’s limited time, low budget, and you have to do it quick.

DX: That’s crazy because a lot of people see Rip The Jacker as Canibus’ best album. It shows what he can really do. And a lot of people think you’re the one of the only producers who gives him the beats that really fit him. So the fact that you only had a month to do it, and that you weren’t even in the studio with him is crazy.
Stoupe: Yeah that’s all I remember, just the CD. And they said here, go do it. He didn’t even give me the CD, someone else tried to.

DX: That is a trip.
Stoupe: Yeah, but he’s done a lot of dope stuff since then. I disagree [that Rip The Jacker is his best album], I think there’s a lot of producers he could work with.

DX: Yeah, but a lot of people think you’re the only one who captured it for him. But he does have some stuff with DJ Premier that I haven’t heard, but I heard it’s dope.
Stoupe: It has to be dope if it’s [DJ Premier]. I haven’t heard from him in while.

DX: Oh Premo’s been killin shit for the past few years. He’s just been more quality over quantity. He doesn’t do a lot of stuff, but the stuff that he does is crazy.
Stoupe: I need to pay more attention.

DX: Yeah, dude is dope. Okay, so I heard some of the new Dutch album. How did you meet up with her?
Stoupe: She was a mutual friend. People knew for a while that I’ve been looking to do a different kind of project, and introduced me to her. And it worked. She was a cool chick, so we said, "Let’s do it." It took longer than I wanted, but we did it. She moved out here from California and did the record.

DX: This is your first project with a vocalist instead of a rapper?
Stoupe: yeah

DX: So how different was that for you?
Stoupe: It’s a lot closer to the same thing than you think. The only difference is it’s a little more intricate I guess. And it’s not a rapper obviously, it’s a singer. The feeling is a lot more down tempo than upbeat. But it’s almost the same thing. If you were to speed these things up, you would hear exactly what I have to do and just slow it down. That’s the only difference I think.

DX: What are some of your favorite songs on the new record?
Stoupe: Depends what time of day it is. They’re all trying to set a certain mood with it. It might be something this day, and something different the next. We’re trying to practice for shows , and when you practice it one day it could be one song, and then the day it might be something different. I know that’s not an answer, but there it is.

DX: Well what about the time of day right now? What are your favorite songs today?
Stoupe: Today I’m feeling “Warm Like The Wind” because I’m working on a remix to that right now, and it’s such a slow Jazz ballad, but now I’m trying to make it double fast. So it’s going to be interesting to see what the velocity of the song does to the intention of the lyrics.

DX: I also read somewhere that you’re working with Lorrie Doriza. How far along is that?
Stoupe: The album is done. It’s not as laid back. Different vibe, more classical oriented.  

DX: How are Laurie and Liz different to work with as far as their studio exploits?
Stoupe: Well, I actually got to work with Liz in the studio, and that’s cool to build a collaboration in the studio. But also I think it’s good that I didn’t work with Lorrie in the studio, because I think I could take on a whole new meaning of what she’s trying to do. You know how you can be around someone for so long that they influence you? Like, it could start as one thing and then become something different. Not saying that either avenue is a bad avenue, but it’s just different.

DX: So the Liz joint would be more of a collaboration in the truest sense, whereas the Laurie joint is Stoupe and Laurie, with both entities coming together?
Stoupe: I think they’re both collaborations, but just different ways of collaborating.

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73 Comments

  • Liam Hanlon

    I just particularly focused on when you said "Who can I work with" I don't know if you would consider it but there are 2 guys from the UK Chester P and Skinnyman. They are extremely talented are in their 40's but don't look it. They birthed the UK hip hop scene but made no money or commercial success. Skinnyman made a commercial album "Council estate of mind" which is a classic but no more deals came. These guys have so much passion for hip hop. I just know if you guy's linked up it would produce wonderful art but it's selfish of me to focus on that. PS. I have so much respect for you finding out that you still do proper job. Music for the art I love it.

  • Ron Paul

    Greatest producer of all time and such a modest, laid-back cat from what I can tell. Next paycheck, I am buying that album with Dutch and possibly a JMT vinyl. Stoupe is so underrated. I lust for this dude's beats, it's insane. Good luck with everything Stoupe, hope to hear more from you!

  • delegado

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi71noVGGBY

  • AYrICK

    great interview. i really felt what he was saying about the Lourie Doriza collab and how being in separate rooms made the album different.... for example... i think a collab that is done from long distance it is more real, and a heavier colab. as to where if they were in the same room together, that might extinguish some of the creative opinions the artists would have made, had they been on there own ... (instead of being influenced by stoupe or visa versa) that may not make sence... but big up to stoupe and hiphopdx

  • JonDoe

    Stoupe is arguably the most underrated hip-hop producer out there. People should stop judging him for his social anxiety and learn a thing or two from his work. He has influenced an entire generation of aspiring beat-makers, myself included. Stoupe, you're the man!

  • P-Gunna

    Stoupe is too modest, JMT wouldn't exist without his production and he knows it. If the interviewer wasn't such a douchebag we would have probably learned more about him. Hey interviewer did you ever manage to ask what is he working on right now?

  • Mat MdlbBert

    Big up to a living legend, Kev Baldwin. Your underground supremacy will make the world shake for decades.

  • SutterKane

    I like stoupes attitude, let the music do the talking. It sucks that he can make a living just off hip hop but thats because he doesnt tour with them(DJ Kwestion is their rode DJ). JMT tours like non stop, especially in europe, so thats how Vinnie and Jus and the rest them dudes pay the bills. Stoupes a beast on production though, one of my all time favorites.

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  • hiphopjudge

    One of the illest Producer's ever

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  • oDd

    Stoupe is the illest producer ever. Every joint he makes is sick. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason for the lack of MCs on his shit is because theyre scared of underperforming. Rugged Man is the only one to outshine a Stoupe track with Uncommon Valor.

    • inspirmentalist

      i agree with that statement bruh. lack of good emcees but there's shit loads of great underground rappers so..he just gotta search for them and they ain't too far -inspirmentalist

  • Jamesk

    This just shows everything that's wrong with the fucking music industry. Stoupe needs a regular job and in contrast to that we have all those stupid bing bong sounding corny ass beats on the air. And the Rip the Jacker thing is just crazy, wow I never knew that. He needs a label that pays some respect to his work and someone who helps him out marketing himself, because it's obvious he's not really giftet that way.

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  • Vocab

    im sorry man but this interview sucked. Im not usually one to hate but the interviewer didnt really ask any good questions and Stoupe, as usual, was awkward as fuck. that being said Stoupe is an amazing person, I agree he seems oddly insecure though, dude is one of the most talented producers EVER but just comes across like he aint never held his head high in his life. I did enjoy learning more about Rip the Jacker though, thats amazing, never knew it was remixed.

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  • khordkutta

    Wow, Stoupe comes off as a regular dude and not some big headed fuck. I need to support him, what would yall recommend I pick up 1st. That is gargabe if he HAS TO have a regular job, but damn he could be doin it just for the benefits ie healthcare, 401k and the like.

  • Hip Hop Connoisseur

    Stoupe is my all time favorite producer. What really blows my mind, is the fact that he doesnt have rappers getting in line for one of his beats. If I was a talented mc(mainstream or underground) with the luxury to work with any producers I wanted, Stoupe would mos def be at the top of my list. Next in line would be... Preemo, Necro, and Just Blaze. People that need to holler at him: G Rap Nas R.A. the Rugged Man Eminem Killah Priest Doom Raekwon M.O.P (again)

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  • SPAIN

    Stoupe is the best producer of all times!!!and vinnie paz with ill bill,sick jacken,sean price...is a dope mc,ill lyrics,saviorself,heavenly divine,heavy metal kings,razorblade salvation,on the eve of war,uncommon valor,retailation,the age of the sacred terror,blood in blood out,death messiah....are classics.jmt forever.

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  • judazino

    Boas producoes tens feito, gramo maningue. Quando acapella passa dispercebida so o teclado fica pa trazer harmonia!!!

  • Jay Dishman

    Um...Yeah...this interviewer is a DING BAT...what kinda jancky ass shit was he asking to one of the finest hip hop producers ever??? Stoupe...if u keep getting cats like this guy thrown at you for interviews...I wouldn't do them either.... I waited all this time to here from Stoupe....and some idiot interviews him... Hey interviewing guy...how did you land this gig anyway???? Stoupe...keep doing what your doing...we like that Philly shit in New Orleans too!! -Signed...an old DJ JMT for ever

  • kush nap

    stoupe got like 200 plus bangers under his belt. never comes wack, drops bangers in his sleep. hed make music if no one was checkin, and it comes through in the music. creative, original, consistent. i wish he laced rakim or g rap with an album, shit would be heatrocks. or drop an album with MOP or saigon, anyone dope really. that solo he dropped had some fuckin heat, MOP track was hotter than anything MOP dropped in years.

  • Assassin221

    He's not much of an interviewer but I like it because he comes across as a regular ass dude making music. I did not know he had a regular job, that shit is sad. Don't listen to much JMT anymore mainly due to lyrical content but there is no denying Stoupe's production skills.

  • scorn

    the interviewer is a shithead

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  • A.S.

    'Laurie Arriza' ??? You wouldn't happen to mean 'Lorrie Doriza' now, would you?

  • FiswaT

    one of the illest producers in the game!

  • curbstompa

    stoupe beats = audio crack

  • larry j

    i respect the shit outta this dude, i love jmt mostly cuz of his beats, it took me a while to get used to vinnie, i wish hed work with other mcs more. i respect his humbleness and the fact that he stays outta the limelight tho. its kinda sad that such a talented dude still has to work a real job tho, i wish he were more successful

    • Vocab

      thing is though he refuses to tour with JMT, odds are if he was out there working he might be able to drop his job and do strictly music. Dude is just too shy though

    • Mbeats

      I agree with you, its a Shame that people like Stoupe cant live of his music & wack mainstreams rappers can live of Hip Hop.

    • SHQIP435

      fuck serbians. fuckfaced pieces of shit. ALBANIA UP IN THE BUILDING! ALL MY ALBANIANS IN THE US THROWIN IT UP! we got balls and the heart.

    • Stevan Lazrevic Srbin

      he and JMT are very popular among Serbians.VERY But Serbia is unknown terrain for most ov ya. Never mind unless is Jedi Mind.

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  • KILLADELPHIA

    Im from Philly and know this dude, hes comes off as weirdo ass muthafucka from what I heard. Strange ass nigga but some of his beats is aight.

    • MISSLE

      some of his beats "is aight" the unintelligence alone is sad...makes sense though...i can see unintelligent people not liking his beats let's hear some "fire" beats that you think are good

    • hmmmmmmm

      Just do it before the trains stop running, so you can march your bloody ass back to Radnor.

    • KILLADELPHIA

      BITCH ASS WHITEBOY, YOU THE ONE FROM DA SURBUBS. OTHERWISE U WOULDNT KNOW BOUT STOUPES WEIRD ASS. OF COURSE UNLESS YOU FROM PHILLY DOIN IT UP IN DA HOOD. FUCK PALE ASS WHITEBOYS TRYNA ACT HARD OVER DA KEYBOARD. IMA SMACK THE SHITT OUTTA YALL WHEN I CATCH U.

    • hmmmmmmm

      Stay in the suburbs, 484 bitchass.

    • KILLADELPHIA

      EAT A DICK NIGGA. A FAT ONE.

    • hmmmmmmm

      "i know" and "from what i heard" = very different things. bitch.

  • laralove

    He is amazing. The ART speaks for itself he don't NEED to Flaunt us with personality or interviews...THE Music does that all for HIM. HE is like a DOPE Beat RIGHT on FUCKEN TRACK.

  • Gunn Starr

    Don't really like an abundance of his work-random tracks here and there-yes. Rip the Jacker was Good but it suffered from same sounding beats from JMT's prior album (to it) The production does suit canibus but his stuff stoupes is never progressive. Every JMT album and especially the stuff he produced on Vinnies solo album is repetitive. The Dutch album sounds generic folk but I like the fact that he is showing another side to his production sound

    • rapteddy8

      Stoupe did not work on any of the production of Vinnie Paz solo album. I think Stoupe is one of the most original producers out there and definitely one of the most underrated. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

    • hazrdus

      Wow! i think thats upsetting that u think the beats all sound the same. they are based off of a lot of latin songs. they have gotten more intricate thru the years, and the Dutch album is a nice way to showcase different things. Half Portishead/trip hop and half melodramatic intricacies. lots of great samples. check out stoupe sample on you tube, it is great to see where some of these beats actually came from!

  • BigToneCA

    stoupe is THE BEST producer! i can't get enough of his work, and it always motivates me to try harder at music. every time i'm almost done with a song, i think "what would stoupe do" and add another 15 tracks. guy is building the most respectable discography of work out there. thanks for the interview

  • AMAru

    Stoupe is probably the most underrated producer ever, his beats are so versatile, my second fav beatmaker after preem no doubt. im so glad i can finally read a full interview with him, he's just so humble, and i like that. emcees should link up with him, one of the greatest period. the dutch album was insane too, i highly recommend it

  • c/gaddic

    I don't listen much Jedi Mind Tricks but his work on RTJ-Canibus was epic! Dude is super-talented He created Canibus' best album A rapper though significantly gifted as a lyricist has poor musical/song-writing abilities not to mention weak sloppy hooks His sampling-styled hooks and beautiful sound scapes on the album made it classsic

  • Cultures Clothing Co.

    I actually think that Rip The Jacker is Canibus' best & most well-rounded album as well, so it's crazy that Stoupe only had a month to put it all together. Bis is my favorite rapper...and I think that "Poet Laureate II" by Canibus (produced by Stoupe) is maybe the greatest hip-Hop track of all time. I'd love to see Stoupe do some beats for one of his next albums. The guy is talented.

  • trly yrz

    Y'all are bugging. Dude ain't no geek, check his work. He's just unlike these corny blog rap mothafuckas that act like they made the world by accident. Stoupe, I respect your humble, and I'm gonna buy this Dutch album. The audio they posted convinced me.

  • figgahfeelme

    man this guys is depressed as fuck get some self confedence thought he was going to hang himself or start crying half way through

    • thats jokes

      dude does sound like a geeky guy too, he doesnt sound like he has strong confidence, but whatever I cannot judge but I can say he is a geek who needs a slap lol

  • KNOWLEDGE REIGNS!

    That's dope they mention Ant in the beginning of this article as a hip hop production icon. Ant (atmosphere) is probably my favorite of all time. He is right up there with Pete Rock , Premo, & DILLA.

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      I'm a fan of Ant, but he is NO WHERE NEAR Dilla, Primo, or Pete Rock. GTFOH.

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