While appearing on The Combat Jack Show this week, Houston rapper Scarface shared the details of a conspiracy theory he feels directly involves today’s Hip Hop. According to the Geto Boys emcee, today’s music, particularly Hip Hop, is being dumbed down by those with power.
“I be looking at shit like a conspiracy…That’s the way I feel about music, man,” Scarface said. “You know what I mean? I feel like the powers that be are intentionally dumbing down our craft, man. I feel like they dumbing us down. Because the dumbest shit I ever heard is on the radio right now.”
He further elaborated on his conspiracy theory as he commented on “urban Hip Hop” versus “suburban Hip Hop,” and spoke on how “dumb” Hip Hop has become. Scarface later suggested that the powers that be are dumbing down the genre because it was becoming too great.
“To paint the picture that I’m trying to paint to you guys is it seems like all our shit is sounding really stupid and really, really dumb. Really, really corny,” the Texas rapper said. “And then, you know, you got the other shit that sounds really, really [great]…I wanna say this shit as diplomatic and as responsible as I can…When urban Hip Hop sounds like this and suburban Hip Hop sounds like that, I kinda feel fucked up. You know? It’s like our shit fucked up and the powers that be pour salt on the wound…I don’t even look at it as a threat or it being too fucking powerful. I just look it as being too fucking great.”
Scarface made similar comments earlier this year during an interview with Hardknock TV when he informed those watching that the people in control of Hip Hop are white and Jewish.
“I feel like we losing it,” he said. “I feel like the people that are in control of what Hip Hop does is so fucking White and so fucking Jewish and so they don’t give a fuck about what the culture and the craft really is about.”
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Maybe its true, maybe its not. Who knows. But if you look at it, I do kinda of agree with Scarface. The wave of trap rappers being considered as hip hop artist is just an insult to the genre. Maybe hip hop has the potential to open peoples eyes and see what really is happening behind closed curtains. But then again, who knows.
You know, at the same time, I have to question where are these guys from the Golden Era as far as mentoring this new generation of hip hop artists? We can put the emphasis on the south all day, but part of this falls on the OG’s from all respective regions for not properly mentoring these guys…..with all due respect, the Great Scarface also.
Classic and timeless material IS your mentor. See who gets love, what type of hip-hop recordings get respected and why, and take notes. These chart-topping radio dudes are garbage and if they need someone to hold their hand and show them how to make some stimulating material, then they should hang the mic up and go bus tables at Applebees.
No one mentored Ghostface, Ice Cube, Guru + Premier, Pun, etc. These dudes played from the fucking heart. From the soul. A lot of these … “performers” today are sell-outs.
I don’t know what he necessarily means by Suburban rap, but if he’s referring to the likes of Macklemore, Macklemore did it by themselves without a label backing. They became popular because the people made them popular. In the internet age, the information age, and in an age where information is freer than ever before in most respects, the only thing stopping smart music from winning is our (the fans) embrace of smart music. But, currently, I’d rather hear Migos rap about a bando than consumerism. 🙁
hes not talking about macklemore at all
more like 2 chainz, rick ross, tyga… all that shit the suburbans kids eat up
he is talking Anout the corny gay Mclemore suburban rap that white suburban kids gobble up so much that it dominates the radio and goes platinum.
If white suburban kids were truly eating up 2-Chainz, Ross and Tyga then I’m sure 2-ChAinz last album would have sold more than 200K while the suburban Tyler sold like hot cakes in the burbs.
Tyler barely sold 200K.
hes saying the suburban music is good (macklemore) and the urban music is terrible(2chainz, tyga, ect) and thats fucked up
The problem is most people remain blinded listening to crap. Thats why we have to spread the message of real hip hop. Thats why we have to spread the message of the knowledge and the conscience as the lost element of this culture.
Peace
I seem to recall certain Ghetto Boy songs that were the epitome of dumbed down.
GETO boys talked about everything. They were arguably the most controversial and conscious group ever. actually listen to some of their songs before you hate. (City Under siege, Crooked Officer, fuck a war)
“he is talking Anout the corny gay Mclemore suburban rap that white suburban kids gobble up so much that it dominates the radio and goes platinum”
Who would you prefer they gobble up, Yo Gotti? Macklemore is a corny rapper, but there’s no denying his impact this year. He did what every other major rapper should have done but couldn’t. At least for now he deserves to be #1.
Maclemore is a pioneer of homosexuality in rap, he ruined us.
I thought Lil Wayne was the pioneer of homosexuality.
White people control the music so why would you expect it to be a source of enlightenment for Black people?! DUH?! White people are not stupid.
Does it have to be that way though? I mean, think of the money, power, and influence guys like Russell, Puff, Dre, LA Reid,, JD, P etc made in those golden years…..just imagine if these guys could come together to start their own label? But everyone is out for self, therefore, so are the younger heads…
face is right this shit was for urban areas for a bigger purpose to be heard by the world of what really goes on what u didnt see in the news also teaching knowledge in a slick way but now is all dumb shit with no substance just for the dollar !
true!!
He’s talking about Drake, Wayne, MAckamore, all those young stupid white girls rapping, and anything else that makes the culture water downed.
Drake has done more good for hip-hop culture than most. Nobody in the game today is as real as Drake.
^lol clown. Dude is singing like he thinks he usher in all his songs and calls it hip hop! How does that embrace anything culturally in hip hop?? Calling yourself a rapper/emcee and singing use to be an ultimate sin and now your saying drake is the realest dude out there?!? GTFO
I wish Wheelchair Jimmy would sing only to me while my clothes are off.
We’ve known that since Lupe made that song Dumb It down and even before then tell us something we don’t already know !
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NAW …THIS GUY IZ HOT …U HATIN AND MUST BE WHITE
the proof is in the pudding…just look at how you idiots sit here and argue,analyze, and comment on hip-hop as if it’s going to impact your life. none of these artists give a fuck about any of you, they aren’t paying any of your bills…yet you follow and idolize like a bunch of sheep..get offended when someone disses a garbage rapper. get a grip people…actually, get an education.
Because we enjoy the art form and sometimes feel empowered by it. Then when we see someone embraces or brag about something regarded under the same genre as being better or more lyrical when its str8 trash, we feel offended. Actually most people I know who listen to more educated emcees either go to school, have a decent paying job or work hard in some standpoint for something important. Most people who play shabba out their shit speakers in their 95 accord tryin to look all “swagged out” usually don’t. JS
are you surprised that hip hop is being dumbed down? or surprised it’s dumbing-down the community? i’m not. if a rapper came out and made a song eating dog shit i bet 80 percent of you “thugs” would be eating dog shit thinking it’s gangsta as hell. fucking clowns.
And I intentionally think HHDX intentionally put this dumb ass pic of Scarface to intentionally make him look less offensive
I dumbed down my audience to doubble my dollar. They criticize me yet they all yell holla
Realest shit Jay-Z has ever written #RealTalk
jayz made a choice to dumb down..these niggas too dumb to even make the choice to get smarter…
difference between smart and dumb people
i say let it happen… people will grow tired of it…the same dumb bs they sell to black people that cause destruction will start to happen to their own people
Niggas holding to hiphop like it’s a fuckin’ religion always make me laugh. C’mon Scarface grow up
Hip Hop was the voice of the people like Negro Spirituals were in slavery times. People wasn’t learning from a book, they got their knowledge of the streets, society, history from Hip Hop. Now, there isn’t a radio song that talks about anything but twerking, getting paid and anything else dumb. Scarface IS grown up, too bad the rest of the world doesn’t see the jewels he’s trying to drop.
It’s not an organized religion but for some people it’s a way of life and a part of their culture and community and they feed their families with it.
To people like you its just music and Hopsin spitting multis over a Eminem styled track.
no one calls out the fU*CK sh*it u like as religion the hours u spend on call of duty or Warcraft.. you telling scarface to grow up but you disrespecting an art in which he helped create.
Hip hop is a cultural thing for any black person in america. It was cool, it was fun, and at the same time it was educational and self-conscious. It is something many people held close to them and enjoyed. Ofcourse hip hop was going to evolve, and it has on a more underground standpoint (check Blu, Big Krit, Lecrae, Jon Connor), but mainstream hip hop going from Pac, Biggie, Dre to Lil wayne, drake and 2 chainz is more of an overall decline than an evolution. Thats most likely what he is referencing and why he feels so strongly about hip hop.
Seriously guys? At the end of the day don’t you have anything more important to do besides cryin’ over the states of hiphop? I mean with the internet people can listen to whatever they want,listen to what you like and stop complaining…
How can you say trap rappers is dumb or “dumbing down” – when the only thing Jay-z and Migos truly have in common is using drugs to try to change their real-life situation. Drugs is damn near the foundation of hip-hop. Every artist you see (specifically Southern) is damn near backed or at 1 point was backed by drug money. If you know the real Freeway Ricky Ross that’s why he hates Rick Ross so much cause he cant understand how he was a drug lord and cop at the same time basically perpetrating him. Truth is Music is very subjective and rappers “dumb down” music cause the brain and fans of music now cant really think too much in 3 minutes. Even though Lil Johnny is 13 and cant buy, he is the one listening… you cannot depend on fans to buy music. So instead make lyrics that are visual or easily digested + more tracks and subtract the deeper thought and you have – 85+ percent of music. I like Riff Raff cuz he is animated. He is not better than Big Krit but the point is to make art. Hip-hop is not for guidance, it is to be interpreted and accepted or liked by the (art patron) fan.
^^^Yep, a Riff Raff fan, your post reflects his image perfectly.
what do you mean hip hop is not for guidance..There are people who grew up without parents , so they take advices from their idols that are rappers… now if most rappers where guiding the youth in the rigth path, shit would be better..but that exactly the problem, they just spit shit to get money..the youth is the future,,therefore the youth is what will keep society alive…if you got rappers saying kill kill every second..society is going to die also.
i agree
u really should call it pop rap or something..riff raff really? white people will tear anything apart for a quick buck.. if we took rock and turned it into some fairy $HIT u wouldn’t be calling it art…punching somebody in the face is different than being punched in the face
Hip-hop isn’t really being dumbed down, man. The thing people used to love about hip-hop was the diversity. You have your gangsta rap, party rap, conscience rap, and even the r&b influenced rap. Let people express themselves the way they want to. The radio has always played the catchiest and corniest stuff, from all genres, this isn’t anything new..
i dont even care anymore i just listen to whats real
Anonymous:
i say let it happen… people will grow tired of it…the same dumb bs they sell to black people that cause destruction will start to happen to their own people
^ that diamond in the rough comment
it’s already happening
blame the society for that not the whites…9/10 white rappers whould shit on 9/10 black rappers so do the math…money pushed this culture to this point…where was Scarface when Soulja Boy went platinum…didnt heard his ass whining about
Our white rappers will always be superior to the Blacks, just listen to a Riff Raff and LiL Debbie collaboration and the go listen to a Nas and Lauryn Hill collaboration. That pigfocker Rakim calls himself the God of rap but we all know Em’ is the God and Iggy is the Goddess.
Both comments above me and below me i wish i could find both of you devils and beat ya faces open.
@BruthaDee is one of em
Dude you can’t say white rappers would shit on black rappers….where you think they got would get the style from to even be hot?? It sure would not be in his blood…they have no rhythm they have to learn rhythm…think about it
hip hop died along time ago.
YEA WHEN PAC DIED BUT FACE IZ ANOTHER SOULJA LIKE PAC SO HIP HOPS STILL IN HERE
It’s not about black vs white. The problem is that the majority of this country is actually stupid and/or ignorant. The government and the lobbyists continue to win cuz instead of worrying about real shit everyone just blames the other race for their problems. It’s called DIVIDE AND CONQUER and it’s working like a charm! The rich get richer and the poor stay helping them. How pathetic we have become.
Best comment I read on here
It actually used to feel like a movement parallel to the upliftment or rise of black people as a whole. It now seems like a bunch of absolute clowns who are just not serious in their thought process
used to be a very powerful weapon to help stimulate the mind.
Spot on. Our world is not as it seems
I understand what he saying. He just need to understand though that it is pointless to even talk about it. Music is very subjective and at the end of the day People is going to listen to whatever they want to listen to regardless. To me you cant break this down into suburban rap and Hood rap. Where would you place my boy Kendrick Lamar? He is a good rapper from the hood which makes Scarface point weak.
You have no idea what your talking about. You missed his entire point. It’s not about liking what you like. It’s about what they are serving. Your being served McDonald’s every day.
Kendrick is an anomaly. He’s one of the few born with it. You can’t deny the talent. Yet 99% of the rappers on the radio have none at all.
That’s what you need to explain.
He’s mostly talking about lyrical skills, so kendrick wouldn’t even be placed in this subject story since kendrick is the most prominent who is against dumbing down on the radio currently. The reason he compares Suburban to the Hood, is because Hip Hop started in the hood/ghetto..not the suburb..so when it finally reached the suburb, when it started becoming too great..that’s when people in higher power started fucking it up or else it would have fucked up their way of life..hip hop was changing everything so they had to change hip hop. Of course there is some dumb music coming from the hood also, but that’s the lifestyle big labels like universal and interscope promotes..they promote violence..and if an artist doesn’t promote that, than they mostly won’t get signed.
At the end of the day though I understand. The point I’m trying to make is who are we to say what’s real hip-hop? What I think is real might be totally different for what you think is real. That is why I feel like his point is weak. Because to some people what is played on the radio is real. Even kids coming out of the suburbs might think 2chainz is real hip hop. And another point the internet completely makes this argument even more obsolete because we as consumer could literately consume whatever music we want to listen to without radio telling us who to consume.
rock is next
It seems so, but Lupe is standing testament against this “dumb down” theory. Lupe continuously puts a message in the music and instead people hate on Lu…
We don’t hate Lupe just his music. We hate Kanye too but he makes ill shit.
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I couldn’t agree more with these comments made by scarface… its 100
marketing execs wanted hip hop after they found out how much of an impact it had on black spending, since the recession, the black dollar isnt as strong as it used to be. Now with miley cyrus, drake, Eminem and beyonce hip hop is going more r&b pop main stream after the white asian dollar
i thought people wanted intergration? everything becoming one..a new world order and a one world government
The legendary SCARFACE speaking that truth! More and more legends in the game should speak out about these fucking chavalas running around in the game right now and destroying hip-hop culture. Now if only we can bust some heads in the process.
well, cross scarface off the list of rappers i respect. he’s just a racist dumbass who believes in conspiracies.
it ain’t a conspiracy. it’s just dumb people wanting to here dumb music. that’s why it sells and is on the radio. this ain’t rocket science homie, you don’t need a “conspiracy” cop out to describe it, and you certainly don’t have to blame it on white culture. if people like you were running the rap game it’d be just as bad.
not a conspiracy when it can be proven with facts.. afraid of the truth so u have to label it a conspiracy..if black people took away your favorite white rock stars and replaced them with who they thought would make them more profit…and then told them how they were suppose to perform and what they should say
@Anonymous
radio rock is exactly the same as radio hip hop.
terrible analogy.
Back in the late 80s early 90s, cats were inspired to go to college/picked up a book because of HIPHOP on the radio and video. Point Blank Period
i doubt it, it just persuaded them to drop out and become rappers
man I remember when when rappers wore HBCU hoodies and shirts to motivate you to go to college and make it look cool…even shows like a different world was good to watch for our youth.
^^^^You doubt it, understood ur tryin to be witty but you just played urself, obviously by ur comment u werent even born by the early 90s
You can’t let a person ride your back unless you bend over. Yes, hip-hop and most R&B is dumbed down, but the main reason is value digression among lower-class blacks. A person with dignity doesn’t conform to the behavior among 90% of these black rappers. And yes, the music industry is taking advantage of all the stupidity. I respect Scarface; in fact, he’s one of my favorite all-time rappers, however, any conspiracy includes the artists themselves who are far too complicit.
if one artist wont bend over another one will. especially to get themselves a better life
your right, scarface plays his part in this problem
Country music and Rock & Roll music don’t make political songs, so should rap have to? We listen to music to have a brief escape from the stressful real life rat race.
^ it should have intelligent lyrics at least country singers rock musicians are actually talented musicians whether you personally enjoy the style you at least respect the artform. The basic requirement to enter the rap game should be TALENT not marketability or style.
You rap over somebody else’s beat why should you take credit for somebody else’s beat with your dumbed down lyrics. Its all good having a song about partying but make the lyrics and flow strong at least.
Checkout thegrandreport, they got some good hip hop and viral videos on there
yeah that one about the chicago dude that killed his mother to floss with her money and pretend to be a rapper is cold… that ish should be a movie
The dumb racist has spoken again.
hip hop is for the dumber people of society
true very superficial
“fuck this dumb n*gger. who do these blacks think they are? they act like they fucking created this rap music or something. everybody knows the best rappers are white and plus whites are more intelligent and stuff. i mean shit, me and my KKK brothers listen to rap all the time, so the culture is mine just as much as it is theirs. god damn i hate n*ggers. HEIL HITLER!”
^^^ average HHDX commentor
You retarded kids have no idea what the industry has done to program you fools. The generation after you is doomed.
The last time I checked, Ghetto Boys and Scareface (named after a white gangster), weren’t talking about uplifting the community in their songs…………lol
They were bringing an awareness to areas of the country people tend to neglect. That is what hip-hop did for the community. It showed suburbia the reality of what really goes down in these parts of American cities.
@ Hypocrisy, have you ever listened to any Geto Boys album….c’mon man, EVERY album is filled with thought provoking social commentary..
Hip-Hop has absolutely been dumbed down due to the fact that its made to cater to the younger generation. Kids today don’t want to hear about serious topics, they want to hear about bitches, cars, and swag. Back when Little Brother released their album, The Listening, they sent their first single to BET to get some tv play. BET actually told them that they were unwilling to support their new single “because it was to intelligent for their target audience.”
In other words since the generation ain’t talking about selling drugs and killing people, their dumbed down??
Its less about whats being said and more about how its being said. While alot of hip-hop in the past was violent, there still were messages beneath the violence. There was a consciousness in the music and social awareness. While todays music is less violent and more materialistic, there is no message. The lyrics are simplified and the content in elementary hence the term dumbed down.
@ Reality Check…when did Little Brother start makin music about sellin drugs and killin people??
Scarface is a DUMB nigga talking about hiphop is in control of white people and jews!!!! You ever heard about RUTHLESS RECORDS???? It was run in the 80’s by Jerry Heller so whats the difference then and now. Back then you had also whites and jews.
Probably this nigga is mad that no one is checking for his music. get over it and retire. hiphop is for kids! Which dumb motherfucker from 30 years or older listens to rapmusic. So you a 35 and listen to a rapper who talks about robbing and killing people.
a bro u sound dumb is hell to say music is for kids we all listen to music and if you think it’s for the kids you shouldn’t be happy what’s getting air play for our kids to listen to. You are a complete idiot for that statement!
Todays music is without-a-doubt less intelligent then it used to be. There have even been scientific studies that show not only is todays music less musical but also more repetitive (this covers all music, not just hip-hop). I just dont know if its a conspiracy or a lack of intelligence from the fans. Either way as a fan of music i am not satisfied with the quality of todays music and you shouldn’t be either.
“NOBODY IS LISTENING TO MY MUSIC AND IT’S CAUSE YOU’RE ALL DUMB BUT IT’S NOT YOUR FAULT, PLEASE BUY MY MUSIC TO BECOME GREAT AND SMART.” – Scarface, Shitty Rapper Nobody Cares About
…… Says the admitted Manic Depressive who doesn’t take medication.
And what does it have to do with his statement??
“y the way didnt had lyrics about killing people, being a serial killer, selling drus etc… okay i know you are a lot better then a wack fuck like lil wayne but come on”
It says a lot to me:)
“Because the dumbest shit I ever heard is on the radio right now. Well SCARFACE you are also working with these crap rappers.
By the way didnt had lyrics about killing people, being a serial killer, selling drus etc… okay i know you are a lot better then a wack fuck like lil wayne but come on
Ouch! The truth hurts.
I don’t really believe in conspiracy theories. All I can say is my experience with rap. When I was in high school in the late 90’s, I remember all of my friends wanted to be rappers. And being a good rapper meant reading books to get ideas, and reading the dictionary. Listening to Nas opened my mind up to history books. Looking up Tupac bio’s had me asking my dad to drop me off at the library. To be good in a cipher meant you had to increase your vocabulary. Then when Viacom, the parent owner of MTV, bought out BET in 2001, I gradually saw a lot of changes. My first year in college I couldn’t tell if I was growing out the material, or if the material wasn’t evolving. It took a good few years of bad albums and bad radio to see that rap wasn’t going to get any better. As an adult now I can look back at when viacom bought BET. It doesn’t mean that they intentionally dumbed it down. Viacom also owned paramount and CBS. Now if Viacom cared about their reputation I think they’d go in the direction of telling Video jockeys or executives of shows not to accept any material that was preachy(anything from god, to religion, to the way you should learn)or too violent. You see it when people get fired from these large corporations with a bad tweet, bringing harm to the company’s brand. I know that the most successful movies don’t preach. The most successful movies or any type of entertainment is actually more marketable when they are as simple as possible. When the tedious audience is entertained, there lay automatic dollars, now if the genre has a following prior to the acquisition, there’s carry over money from those who can’t let it go. Plus, kids are always impressionable, you’ll catch their ears no matter what you play.
Bet is a good gauge to any up and coming rapper, usually children. It was my only urban gauge, besides nba and nfl play growing up. Kids see what’s being played, and try to mimic the styles, perhaps subconsciously acknowledging that there aren’t any big words or ideas attached to the background music. This affects their drive for a vocabulary, their drive for big ideas. “Me and My Girlfriend” opened me up to between the lines talk. “It aint hard to Tell” unlocked my mind for a thousand miles inward. And there are a lot of kids out there that ride and die on today’s rap music. There’s no other option for them. That’s Very scary for the future.
I feel like it’s not a conspiracy, it’s a history lesson in capitalism. Look at the movies now a days. Producers have found formulas to world wide box office sales. People in Japan aren’t going to understand “American Beauty,” or “Best Man Holiday.” But they understand giant robots, and explosions. In music, people mostly understand relationships, and material gains. Not everyone wants to hear politics, not everyone wants to learn about Egypt from music. At one point where you came from was very interesting, now the United States map has lyrical landmarks. And now most importantly, nobody really cares. History lesson in capitalism also because, just like lawyers, construction workers, real estate agents, and now coming soon, doctors, every field of occupation had it’s peak in how much money almost everyone made. Lawyers had the 60’s, construction workers further back, real estate has collapsed for most agents, and doctors might get marginal. Within music, every genre had it’s time. But the rap story is most interesting because the culture was bought out, and the age of bootleg cd’s premiered at rap’s peek.
And what is also interesting in my experience, is the recognition that other genres never suffered the slaying of their most popular artists. I believe dearly that that was a result of their lifestyle. And another lesson was learned. Keep your mouth shut. Less Talk, More Work. Again, this is my experience.
Lastly, for rap to survive it needs a collection of members, preferably old school and untainted, to facilitate what gets played on radios, on television. Like the NBA, or The NFL. For the culture of rap to evolve, there needs to be experts in place who approve of material that is shown. There needs to be a draft. And it shouldn’t be televised. ANd that is almost impossible, since art is so subjective and personal, and capitalism so monstrous that any person would release material in exchange for cash regardless of what the elders say. The NBA has a strong structure in place. Basketball players put up stats. Very hard to argue with a good shooting percentage, nothing subjective about that. Rappers and music are bootlegged the hell out of, no way to tell who’s really relevant. Especially by the illusion of youtube views, not to say that the views are fabricated, but that it’s not a solid structure to invest in. Only way to be sure as an investor, is to find the formula, carbon copy it, then ship. And the best formula, is simplicity.
What a bunch of bullshit.
You say “People in Japan aren’t going to understand “American Beauty,” or “Best Man Holiday”, but they understand giant robots” – are you for real? An ordinary man from eastern Asia is highly likely to be more cultured and open to any other and, therefore, accept it than a whole American city.
And what’s more intriguing is that those movies you mentioned deal with “American aspects”, per say, but they are in the end a matter of emotion, which is universal. Explosions seen in Transformers of Avengers may delight a kid from another country, but they won’t understand why… hell, even Americans don’t understand their own garbage.
You talked about capitalism, History, inspirations for generations and some other non-senses… well, good luck worshipping your overpaid heroes.
YOU HAD ME UNTIL THAT LAST PARAGRAPH. THEN YOU GOT WEIRD, BUT GOOD READ. MADE MY BRAIN MOVE SLIGHTLY LEFT AND THATS ALL I ASK WHEN I READ SOMETHING. LOL gOES FOR MUSIC AS WELL. I want to be moved. This “dumbed down” music is killin my brain cells quicker than this dro im on! And i think thats what Scarface is saying. But he really cant say what he wants and that is: These record companies control these artists! They cant rap about what they want to..They have obligations to “dumb down” the flow to control the people and its workin just fine.. Example: Lil Wayne; you think he cant put together a classic record if he wanted to. He the same person that made all the early albums and mixtapes we loved. Now all he rap about is eating pus$y! because thats what sells. He is being comtrolled! people better wake u..I can go on and on..but it would be pointless!
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Scarface is on point, a great majority of music is shit. Don’t get me wrong everyone’s in titled to their own opinion. It seems though a lot new up and coming artists just throwing out weak ass music grabbing the retarded partying youth fan base drugged up like zombies.
yeah like I said. The tedious audience is the easiest to entertain. They’re also tedious because they aren’t very smart.
It doesnt bother me that there is unintelligent music out there that gets marketed. What bothers me is that the intelligent music doesnt get marketed as well. If you are going to promote ignorant music you have to balance it with intelligent music or you are going to end up with a very ignorant fan base/society. Play all the 2 Chainz and Chief Keef you want but you have to also play the Commons and the Immortal Techniques to balance it out, that all.
Its time to make music that matters,horrible shit is all you hear these days.Damm i miss PAC. Scarface letting all these fools have it. S.A. T.X.
“Hip hop is so fuckin white and Jewish they controlling it” The artist themselves are ultimately responsible for what they put out, sorry “Scarface” U can’t blame this one on the white man as well. U just mad there’s so many dumb black rappers. Old bitter ass. I knew he would be talking bout whites b4 I even clicked on this article. Come to Europe ghettos get your ass fucked up by some white boys
dumbest shit i heard today…take your european ass somewhere and go listen to some Bolliwood sounding music or something…u know nothing about hip hop…
co sign. and fuck you regal84, go listen to souljah boy and never speak bad about europe. every rapper has an own choice and responsibility.
@regal84 ‘Go listen to bolliwood music or something’ dumb mufucka that’s some Indian shit ain’t no European music. And it spelt Bollywood fool. U the one who know nothing idiot
@regal84 I know more about hip hop than u an ya mother combined
^^^ this is what Face is talking about. Fuck Europe punk Hip Hop is AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURE! This shit was designed for you, if you like it than fine if not; who gives a fuck?
“Scarface feels Hip Hop has become dumbed down because the genre was becoming too great.”. 100% COsign.
but RHX below has a point, too. ultimately, it’s the ‘artist’, who MAKES the material.
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Rappers (past or present) in general are uneducated, uninformed, and unenlightened. Accordingly most of the music they produce reflects that. I mean, most rappers (Scarface included) are marginally more conscious than a primordial flatworm just look at how oblivious Face is to the irony one can find listening to a man who calls himself Scarface complaining about hip hop being dumbed down. You know what? Come to think of it damn near every music genre is comprised of know nothing dumb asses.
And thats why he works with, meek mill, rick ross, Khaled and al thos stupid pop rappers, Scarface is dumb himself! and it are all black dudes with the DUMB raps like 2 chainz and wiz khalifa!
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GIVE ME A CHANCE
Youtube is all about finding new artist, & though I been rapping for a while im still consider a new artist. I just want my music heard thats all, im not looking for no record deal, getting famous ‘r anything like that.! so please just spare a few sec. to check me out, & if you like what you heard please SUBSCRIBE so ill know you actually listen & support
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaSNK0pm4eY
“GETO boys talked about everything”
Everything that made them no better than most rappers today. Get your head out of Scarface’s ass.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Scarface has done lots of songs about struggle and hard times; where are you from Iowa?
At least he has enough self respect to not make songs with Shady/G-Unit.
If any of those cats would have reached out to him, believe me, Scar would have jumped at the chance.
meanwhile he doing songs with DJ Khaled LOL
I wanted to play devil’s advocate but after reading these dumb ass comments I would be a fool to argue with Face on this one dam!
No use of arguing, kids swear they know something. Just like that teenager who swears they are more intelligent and experienced than their parents who already did the same freaking things 20 years earlier. (shrugs)
lol at these corny ass kids who deep down realize they’re the ones who fund and download dumbass rap. They’re the math flunkies who always say shit like, “I’m not trying to think when I listen to music.” That’s because they experience physical pain when trying to think, these are the idiots who will have to take their GED test 3 times before they just barely pass.
This is going to go over most of yall heads. but those who understand will get it. watch in 20-30 years when they try to say macklemore was the king of our era and forget everything Kanye, Wayne, Drake, Jay, Nas or any great rapper did…
Need fucking more luv face
Dude is right!
Remember 1990 ? commercial rappers like Mc Hammer and Vanilla ice were ruling the charts and big named mcs were trying to make new jack swing type records . So what came up next ? a whole new skool of dope mc’s that fought for the art and realness of hip hop . Naughty by nature, gangstarr, brand nubian , tribe called quest , pete rock and CL smooth, main source, showbiz and AG etc..that is excatly what needs to happens today. Everything comes in full circles and it is just a matter of the right moment that people will start to realize that a lot of shit that comes out today is not classic material but chuwing gum hip hop.
not gonna happen, your dreaming
It’s not going to happen because you crabs keep pulling your own down.
Scraface is right look to that gay nigga Kendrick lamar everybody is on his dick, for what?
u mad at Kendrick but totally missed like every other shitty commercial rapper before him
I’m sure he’s not talking about kendrick. I’m sure he’s talking more about chief keef, and lil wayne, and all these other TERRIBLE rappers. Not Kendrick who has a classic platinum album under his belt and another one on its way.
He’s talking about the niggas that are almost 40 years old
Niggas are impressed by his control verse but not knowing these verses are dropped all the time in the underground so thats nothing special. Who is he calling out? Like them niggas like Drake are a threat or something. He should’ve went at real lyricists like Joel, R.A. The Rugged Man, Talib, Common etc they would tear his ass up.
If you’re worried about age then you’re one of those crab in the buckets bringing your own culture down to sound cool but you sound like a d*ck! If you’re worried about age kill your self now! Only black people say lame ass shit like that while white Rockstars are still selling out arenas at 40 years old and up. You clowns think it’s cool not support your own and cry like bitches when you see the white people winning. LoL
At least T.I and Em is trying to bring it up but fools can’t see shit
OMG THIS IS SO DUMB! Like yes 2 chainz pretends to be a retard, chief keef has Down syndrome, and lil Wayne’s body and brain haven’t grown since 4th grade, but there is really good hip-hop coming from this generation, you just have to look in the right places, look at Joey bada$$ chance the rapper, vic mensa. Kendrick lamar Ab-soul , schoolboy q, j cole, Mac miller(2012-now, not blue slide park) earl sweatshirt, Vince staples, Casey veggies, tyler , asap rocky, ferg, and Nast, look at space ghost purp even. All of these people are great rappers, and most of them actually have great messages in their music. And their lyricist and their rhyme schemes are great. And I didn’t even put all of the other lyricist of this time there’s the beast coast revolution right now, and the west side is relevant as ever with real LYRICIST! Obviously if you listen to the radio you won’t hear90% of these artist! but they are there and their music is nasty and would make the legends happy.
i was wit u until you said asap ferg and spaceghost purpp
just a tip man, try forming cohesive sentences or people won’t take you’re opinion seriously.
But even space shouts purp and ferg have small spots in their albums where they are socially conscious about the violence and drugs they rap about. Like cocaine castle, by ferg he talks about a crack house and all the horrors of it and in black god he talks about black disposition.
Asap Ferg is a great rapper? lol thats funny.
ferg and spaceghost are at the end for a reason. but you guys get the point, that if you look away from the radio you can still find good lyrics.
i do see truth in rap being dumber to target a younger audience..you are more impulsive and active and have more money to waste on dumb ish…
Scarface, have you read comments on the internet? These 20 somethings are dumb as shit. And these same 20 somethings become rappers. They look up to shooters and thugs over intellect or even someone just rapping about love.
have you ever listened to scarface? He’s thug rap at it’s finest.
“i can squeeze without blinkin, im a cold-blooded nigga
bank robber, i’m a natural born killer
drug dealer, anything it took to survive
even if it took a nigga to die, im a gangsta”
real intellectual scarface. you’re a fucking hypocrite piece of shit.
@ P Stfu, Face is one of hip hops finest
he’s a good rapper. but he is not intelligent, and is very ignorant and prejudice.
Him and Lord Jamar shoul get a show on Fox together. This is a smart as hip hops ever been. Our best is Kendrick. Our biggest influence is Kayne. This is coming from a generation of MC hammer
For you even mentioning MC Hammer shows nobody should take your comment serious in the first place..
Dudes completely right. I mean look no further then 2 chainz. When he was Tity Boi, he could actually rap, but wasn’t making money and wasnt very well known. Now, he changed his name to 2 chainz, dumbed-down his flow 100% and is now one of the more popular artists
i dummed down my flow and doubled my dollars! – HOV
That’s because minorities think it’s cool to be dumb and pussy to be smart! Brainwashed fools trained to hate on their own and support shit that doesn’t belong to them. Smh
just wait 2 years until i blow up
That was deep. Especially at the end
Say what you want but Scarface hasn’t stooped low enough to do a song with 50 Cent yet.
Hip hop is not being dumbed down. We’ve ignored out weakest (dumbest) links. And now population is out hand there’s more weak links than strong ones. And usually the weak links like dumb music.
dumb down the flow
for u to loose control
but since u don’t get the point
i really want your soul
unrecognizable with your eyes closed
them whites have a plan for u
but cant be man to man wit u
the blood sacrifice
got me popping my collar
but its the best way to double my dollars
okay tell us something we don’t know please. Why every song on the radio gotta have someone singing on it?
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Face is ABSOLUTELY correct!
Hip Hop… OUR culture…. is just the next thing that has been TAKEN from us…just like everything else!
its happening again and its fkn mind numbing! If your old enough youve seen this movie before and its sickening!
Its about feeding the pop culture beast, and thats all you, the guy disagreeing, is brainwashed to do!
All you wanna do is name drop rappers to refute where hes coming from!
Nowadays white folks and suburban kids hide behind hip hop being “universal” and disregard what the culture actually encompasses. There is no voice of any struggle or injustice or fight of any kind when it comes to hip hop in 2013, so to make it SEEM like the fight is still on pop culture has taken on the fight for gay rights and other bullshit and attached HIP HOP CULTURE to it to make it SEEM 1 in the same!
hip hop IS pop culture now, and its all cleaned up and “politically correct” and you idiots help them run game on you!
white folks was on ALL the hip hop sites, talkin nuff shit, DEFENDING george Zimmerman and stereotyping TM just last year! That wouldnt have EVER happened before in hip hop EVER…until now!
Now look at how psycho chicken george is! oh no this was your “oj simpson” right?…nevermind the 400 yrs of…nevermind…
The people running around claiming to be apart of the culture are gutless and have no backbone.
You rally behind trends & facades to seem important. your just a stat. an algorithm. a tool.
Its all about social media and 1 hit wonders in the music industry and thats all your brainwashed to accept musically!
When somebody like me says he tired of fake thug rappers, guys like YOU agree only your talking about BLACK RAPPERS period!
The only people “winning” are the prison systems, white/jewish people, the record labels and the companys whoring these stupid artist out! The people who dont see anything wrong usually dont have a mind of their own anyway and taught to fall in line!
Thats what you do! Thats all you do! Your a jr anarchist in training mimicking the same oppressor you claim to be against…and you hide behind hip hop trying to change things up and make it your own so you can exist within it!
you dont stand for ANY of the principles, you dont know ANY of the history or knowledge, you DO NOT regard it as a culture, you dont acknowledge ANY of the 5 elements, you have no respect, you have no desire for any form of freedom or refinement, youve erased the core principles the CULTURE was founded upon in favor for the corporate paradigm and your full of hatred for the actual culture…I say leave, kick rocks, go create your own thing since you hate thugs or street niggas or black people or whatever it is about this culture. if you dont understand …well maybe its not to be understood then…
I concur. Never thought i’d see it happen to my beloved hiphop in my lifetime. The saddest part is it’s now used as a tool against us. Young brothas couldn’t even tell you the elements, let alone whiteboys. The medium has always been the message, and they have some of the most influencial hiphop people over the black community promoting ignorance as a badge of honor. The movement in its current stage does not represent the essence of our culture anymore. The shackles have moved overtime from our legs and arms pre civil war, to the justice system in the jim crow era, to our fucking minds in the new millennium. Young cats these days think being smart and having some fucking sense is anti-black. They’ll be quick to disregard hiphop has “backpack” rap and then proceed to do the superman while yelling “soulja boy’s my name” repetitively. They now pay select house negros like Jay Z (i.e. Barney’s) to crack masta’s whip and keep this the tradional way of thinking if you’re running the streets. A whole generation of young cats enslaved by ignorance.
It’s time for another movement.
I don’t know, i don’t feel anythings changed, its just some people get fed up that it hasn’t. lyor cohen was in there from at least the 80s. I think it was “sold out” since Sugarhill gang ripped off Melle Mel and blew hip hop the fuck up.
“authentic” hip hop died in 1977
The music business hate me
’cause the industry ain’t make me
Hustlers and boosters embrace me
And the music I be making
I dumb down for my audience
And double my dollars
They criticize me for it
Yet they all yell “Holla”
If skills sold
Truth be told
I’d probably be
Lyrically
Talib Kweli
Truthfully
I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
(But I did five Mil)
I ain’t been rhyming like Common since
When your sense got that much in common
And you been hosteling since
Your inception
Fuck perception
Go with what makes sense
Since
I know what I’m up against
We as rappers must decide what’s most important
And I can’t help the poor if I’m one of them
So I got rich and gave back
To me that’s the win, win
The next time you see the homie and his rims spin
Just know my mind is working just like them
(The rims that is)
One of the few rappers keeping true hip hop alive today is Necro. Long live necro. Bring back true hip hop. Respect to Kool G.
well I agree whole heartedly…yes this is the dumbing down of all things not just this music. I know it’s hard to deal with the truth but hip hop is being used as a dummy tool and the people that support it are the “crash test dummies”…
Ribbon man these people kill me; Hip Hop used to be used as a teaching tool, information for the hood, the masses. Yeah we had “Commercial Rap.” That was club shit, dance shit, that shit didn’t get points in the hood. Wu Tang always got more respect than Puffy. (Puff Daddy back then) You new school cats all twisted up in the glam and glits. Think just because Lil Wayne has some slick shit to say he’s king. Please! Lil Wayne 30 years old riding on skateboards? GTFOH what ghetto you know where that shit pops off? Since when was it MANY AND KINGLY TO WEAR SOME FUCKING TIGHT ASS JEANS!!!! You new dudes kill me; you don’t know shit. I aint hating, I’m laughing. I don’t have a problem with some cat way in London bumping OUR SHIT. I have a problem with you new cats who just up and think you can change the rules. Yes there are rules to this shit. You act like Scarface NEVER spoke about GOD, never spoke wisdom about getting an education, and taking care of family. How would you know? Playing that bullshit you hear on the radio proudly…I still don’t play the radio in fact just like Ice Cube said way back in 1990-TURN OFF YOUR RADIO!
If we didn’t have the internet, what would we do? it’s easy to comment, but it’s hard to commit, especially to the truth….
Lots of the “New Generation” gets offended at the truth. The reality is people who aren’t from the hood or unaware of African American culture of the 90’s simply won’t get what Face is saying. Yes Face sold records about drug dealing and killing, He also had thousands of conscience records such as “In Between Us”, “Can you hear me?” and “People don’t believe” feat. Ice Cube which spoke on social issues way back in 1994. You young cats don’t understand the game has changed. We didn’t have internet and shit back then. All we had was Rap City and Yo MTV raps. Hell I didn’t even see video’s; didn’t have cable. Music was all about the lyrics. Now it’s all about the hook, some singing, and NO SUBSTANCE. We didn’t care if it played on the radio. Now shit is MADE FOR THE RADIO. Times have changed and Real Hip Hop is African American culture…of course people in London, or wherever isn’t trying to hear that, but that’s where Hip Hop came from.
love this….well put.
The song featuring Cube was called “Hand of the Dead Body” from the 1994 Album “The Diary”. It wasn’t “People Don’t Believe”. How I know? I copped the album the day it dropped! I’m not aware of any name change since then.
Maybe if Scarface didn’t sound so ignorant when he talked and he had a name that was more thought-provoking then stealing fame from an old movie he could have as much influence as those distant Jewish guys.
Scarface looks like a mother fucking bass
New kids from the block new to hiphop ” the old generation” wants to keep hiphop alive and kicking so thats why they come out they cant just standback and watch it fade into smoke.
In parts of they kindof built this shit from the ground up.
And if they dont this once great music genre will fade like others ….
Wait a minute, I got an idea. You know why this shits dumbed down? Nobody buys records anymore, its all fake digital shit you can download for free. So big execs say fuck it, we cant make money moving real shit, the only money is the radio. So they write this stuff strictly commercial lowest common denominator so they can make some money. In a way, the internet freedoms I love have killed hip hop excellence. Rock really is the same way. Bring back the fucking samples, bring back the real lyrics. Tame One and the Weathermen are good, but theyre not that new..
rap used to be about the albums, now its only one hit wonder single songs. Its hard to find a good cohesive album anymore.
Rap music in the 1980’s was just part and parcel of urban black music with Rap alongside/Electro/ House/Detroit/Washington Go Go/Miami Bass all sort of coming under the Hip Hop umbrella for a time but now it’s all about videos and the bling with some dance troupe giving us the same old boring choreographed dance and watching Eminems videos is like some unfunny comedy show while he is trying to shadow box (God I love to see a rapper sing without using his has as a expression).
Not only that but these same old/new boring Rap formula has also sadly influenced World Music as watching any video from Jamaica/Trinadad, Brazil, Panama, Ghana, Nigeria etc etc all all just rapping in there native tongue and weaving there hands about while some good looking tarts shake there bootys (YAWN) and now can not tell the diffrence from Reggae/Ragga/Soca/Hi Life as they all look and sound the same which is some copycat Rap shit.
Come on black USA you invented Jazz/Blues/Soul/Funk/Disco etc so invented some new music as Hip Hip has went on far too long.