Jay-Z & Kanye West - Watch the Throne

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"Watch The Throne" simply wouldn't have felt the same had it been two different rappers converging for something this monumental.

Even before Jay-Z and Kanye West announced plans to undertake a collaborative project, the notion always seemed like a realistic possibility considering their active past that dates back to 2000’s “This Can’t Be Life” off of The Dynasty: Roc La Familia. Each artist has evolved from that time in their respective careers, however their chemistry of creating music together has become a significant component within Hip Hop. Watch The Throne continues this tradition as the duo stake their claim for Rap supremacy.

Despite the slightly contemporary style early singles “H•A•M” and “Otis” depicted, the album-opening “No Church In The Wild” takes a sharp left as Frank Ocean’s  voice emerges over haunting, pulsating synth and brooding drums. Asking, “What’s a king to a god? What’s a god to a non-believer”, Jay-Z and Kanye West lay out confessional rhymes, each pausing during their deliveries for added effect. “Murder To Excellence” also takes the experimental route as separate beats provided by Swizz Beatz and S1 chronicle two contrasting sides of the African American narrative.

With a title like Watch The Throne, hearing Hov and ‘Ye revel in their prosperity is a necessary avocation as the two trade bars about their wealth via “Gotta Have It,” while “Niggas In Paris” has them stuntin’ on a hundred thousand trillion. Add a cold Otis Redding Soul sample and neck-breaking drums to the aforementioned “Otis” and it’s evident that the two emcees have a  knack for the braggadocio. In each instance, Jay-Z (“I’m planking on a million”) and Kanye (“I made ‘Jesus Walks’ I’m never goin’ to Hell / Couture-level flow it’s never going on sale”) provide quotable lines, although Kanye’s phrase “that shit cray” may be one that you can already expect to be overused this year.

In all its glory and jubilation production-wise, “Lift Off” feels hollow as Beyonce takes center stage with an otherwise forgettable chorus. Jay and Kanye follow suit with shortened, impassive verses. Similarly, “Welcome To The Jungle” lacks the type of execution and creativity found on the rest of the album with Swizz Beatz’ familiarly sharp, bouncing production falling to the wayside. Not much can be said about “That’s My Bitch,” other than that it sounded better as a My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy leftover than an add-on here.

The most compelling aspect of Watch The Throne, and it’s one that we’ve come to appreciate, is the lyrical dynamic between Jay-Z and Kanye West. Whereas Jay’s methodically complex rhymes over the flourishing double-time dubstep “Who Gon Stop Me” makes us hit rewind, Kanye’s lyrics exhibit an individual perpetually wearing his heart on his sleeve. His verse on “New Day” best exemplifies this, where in a self-reflective moment of clarity ‘Ye mulls over disheartening events in his life with hopes that his future son will learn from his mistakes.

Today’s Hip Hop scene has a rotating cast of notable stars, yet Watch The Throne simply wouldn’t have felt the same had it been two different rappers converging for something this monumental. Truth be told, each emcee has produced better solo material, but that doesn’t take away from the quality found on Watch The Throne, nor does it change the fact that crowns rest assuredly on their heads.

1726 Comments

  • Devin

    overrated as f*ck, average user rating says it all

  • olczi

    one of the bests of 2011

  • Anonymous

    the ultimate rap album

  • Young

    Watch The Throne is the result of two rappers with over 30 years of experience between them crafting a true masterpeice.

  • J W

    The Hustler & The Ego. who can do it better

  • b

    most overrated album ever

  • Duh Duug

    Best album of 2011.

  • emanv7

    If you focus more on the purpose than the music, youll like it.. it definately has the best album cover !

  • alex

    Best duo rap album all time. Love Em, but Royce and him was not even close. Watch The Throne Tour was unbelievable extravaganza.

  • Anonymous

    RACKS ON RACKS ON RACKS, MAYBACHS ON BACHS ON BACHS ON BACHS ON BACHS

  • Anonymous

    Best album of 2011, great beats & great lyrics from that veterans duo...

  • Anonymous

    Real shit! 5 stars...

  • carAnthony

    Fuckin' classic!!! 5/5

  • Marcial D.

    Awesome album displaying two great artists bouncing off each other

  • Anonymous

    watch the throne 2 please

  • Landon Timmerman

    great album

  • Chris

    Great album! Can't say enough :)

  • Timmy Carter

    Ima keep on sayin what i been said since August....Watch The Throne is a Top 10 Album in Hip-Hop..so far My Favorite of all the time. Ive been waitin for this since 04 cuz i knew Kanye n Jay was a team not to be messed with. Fast forward to now. Both Rap Superstars are still great and still got great rhymes for many yrs to come. Watch The Throne has NO disappointin songs. All of em stand out to Greatness especially Murder To Excellence. No one understands the message in that song about Black Struggle. Everything from beginning to end is great. This would be The Best Album of 2011. 2nd=J.Cole---Cole World 3rd=Bad Meets Evil--Hell:The Sequel 4th= Game--RED 5th=Lupe Fiasco---LASERS....Drake's Take Care album was good but is more of an R&B pitched album of which i didnt expect from Drake since ppl praise him a lot (idk why...he aint hard....he played a dickhead retard in a wheelchair for Christ's sakes)....and last but not least Lil Wayne...Tha Carter IV is THE WORST ALBUM OF 2011.....Wayne is NOT the Best Rapper Period. Anyone who believes it dont know hip hop better yet great music. Sure tha carter ii n maybe iii were classic but its somethin about wayne that either he got raped in prison got so much money or both that made him in Tha Carter IV sound very random n very annoying. The Beats sounds good but then when u add him in ANY song now he refers to Life as a bitch. And all he talks about is Sex Money n the Hoes he be with (ex Lauren London). Lets face it: Wayne's Tha Carter IV is like 50 Cents Curtis...after this Wayne wont be the top rapper (as what yall hardkore fake YMCMB fans believe)...i say this is the start and the fall of YMCMB n provin once again that Jay-Z still is a Hustler n makes great music and Eminem is n always has been the Best period of our generation. Overall...Watch The Throne is a Classic and The Best of 2011.

  • Chris Smith

    This and bad meets evil pure win! HAM and niggas in paris best songs on album the rest are okay too.

  • Malik

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upV8L8GXgR8 listen to my remix, thanks

  • ROCNATION88

    FUCK ALL U BITCH ASS BROKE PUSSY ASS HATERS THIS IS THE BEST ALBUM PERIOD!!! KANYE WEST WENT HARD AND JAY Z IS THE BEST RAPPER ALIVE FUCK LIL WAYNE GAY ASS

  • Anonymous

    TOP 3 ALBUMS FOR 2011

  • McShenderson

    Full Fathom Five

  • trade_line

    Is it legal to add "Trade Line Accounts" or aged Credit Accounts to your Credit Report in order to raise your FICO score and if not way are there companies advertising to add Trade Lines to your credit report will rase your FICO score 200 points in 30-45 days.

  • jg

    i originally hated on this album because in comparison to MBDTF its complete garbage. but as a stand alone in a cold listening its a solid release. I'll listen to Kanye spit anytime, JayZ i could do without

  • LordLamickTheEmperor

    The majority of hate for this album comes from it's lyrical content which is mostly braggadocios and don't it say something that people are mostly hating on their success? Come on son.

  • Marcus White

    Super dope. Not over rated at all. Quality you'd expect from Jay and Ye'

  • Lil roc

    I actually think this album would've been better a couple years ago before ye started harmonizing on that autotune machine, but i admit its still a good album and its worth a good listen. If u like hip hop u should be able to get some positive music from this album. My favorite songs r mostly the ones wit samples, u know ye iz a monster when it comes to that. Not really feelin your boi frank ocean harmonizing fuckin up good tracks especially that made in america track. My ears were really hurtin after hearin that joint. O sweet baby jesus... Nigga shut the fuck up please ur killing me. I'm not even gonna get into that lift off shit that has no reason being on anybodys album smh. My favorite joint was new day. Nice smooth joint produced by the rza where hov and ye spit some real shit. Primetime is dope and everyother joint one there is good. Some songs like why i love u and welcome to the jungle felt like jays songs and songs like murder to excellence and thats my bitch felt like kanye songs. Hell the sequel is a little better but i think this album deserves a 3.75 but thats just my opinion

  • Jmone'

    Album was what was expected and was more than a jewel on both artists polished careers

  • Anonymous

    WTT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ANY ALBUM 2011

  • ciiph3r

    jigga ur an inspiration. ye is the future of hip hop. this and bad meets evil are my fav albums of the year! hands down. thank you for the music

  • Weirdalyankovich

    This album is tight

  • JUNIOR

    ITHK THIS IS GOOD BUT JAY HAVE DONE BETTER,ITS DIFF. FROM WHATS OUT THERE. FOR YA HATERZ YA MIGHT NEED TO LISTEN TO IT MORE THAN ONCE ITS REALLY NOT BAD TO ME ITS MORE THAN AVERAGE AND BETTER THAN MOST OUT THERE

  • Marcus Hubert

    Disappointed. Jay has completely lost his consistency and 'Ye was a little weak with the rhymes. Who Gon Stop Me, Niggas In Paris and The Joy are probably the best tracks on the album. Some of the other tracks make you do a sideways "wtf" look like "Made In America" especially...this track is softer than baby legs yo.. what made them put this garbage on the album? A weird mix of R&B, Rap and Folk music.. Weak ass album from dudes who could have done MUCH BETTER.

  • Anonymous

    you are now watchin the throne

  • Anonymous

    black power stand up fuck the haters

  • Tim Wilkens

    I really wanted to talk shit about this album...and for the most part I dig both rappers. Just all the overhype and the egos. In the end though I couldn't deny it. The cd is sick. Production really shines! Although I feel like Kanye's getting lazier with every verse.

  • JCelo

    Kayne is good on this album but camel face Jayz fucking blows, i think this album is not better than Carter 4 and the RED album!!! This is not worth buying the whole album cause there is like 4 good tracks so download this crap, i give it 3 out of 5!

  • Anonymous

    best album to come out this summer, yes and thats including fuckin c4 and the red album. 4.5 stars. swag, black power and unique'ness

  • ikethedj

    EMINEM KILLED GAY-Z ON RENEGADE......HE EVEN SAID IT.....THIS ALBUM SUCKS...KAYNE IS GAY-Z CRUTCH.....WITHOUT HIM HE WOULD NOT BE EVEN TALKED ABOUT RIGHT NOW....

    • Anonymous

      @Anonymous2 Eminem wanted to get on Blueprint ????? Or Jay wanted Em on blueprint ???? WTF. Em is not that stupid to give a classic song like renegade to Jay, because he wants to be on his album. Renegade was suppose to be on Royce's Roc City album or MMLP. Jay begged his ass out for Eminem to be on blueprint !

    • Anonymous

      stupid pussy like jay-z aint one of the main reasons kanyes shining like he is to day go suck a dick

    • Anonymous

      THATS WAS EMEINEM SONG ALREADY BUT EMINIEM WANTED TO GET ON THE BLUEPRINT BUT JAY WAS ON A DEADLINE SO THEY DIDNT HAVE TIME TO GET IN THE STUDIO TOGETHER SO JAY JUST MAILED HIS VERSE IN AND STILL KILLED IT

    • Anonymous

      thats where a fan goes wrong while you hate on one rapper my bad in this case 2 mc's you dont notice that when they do a song together its because they love each others music.they rapped about whats wrong with america from a black and white view but also let you know color aint shit but you cant see that with hate

  • Life Accordin' To Dutch

    its ppl on here talkin abt they only played six tracks..fuc u reviewin the album for?..u know nothin..and the GREAT IS EMINEM BETTER THAN JAY debate only happens on TV and the INTERNET..nobody is havin that debate and all i know is music heads..THE GAme album is not even in the debate for best album of the yr..yall gotta either be from the west coast or work for there record labels..Carter 4 is cool..its decent..definitely playable..but classic..no..WAtch the Throne is tearing car speakers and clubs up tho..that speaks for itself...and as far as Jay bein goat..that is what history will write..its dudes on here talkin abt Eminem is even close to Jay's consistency..u r delusional..Em too half of the decade off..Jay dropped three albums during his retirement?(03-06)..and numerous hits..and then dropped three more albums after that..one(American Gangster) a certified classic..i fuckn hate the opinion of Eminem runnin rap..this has never been true..fuck his sales..his substance doesnt exist and his hits?oh my god..they dont exist..no club or person in Chicago has opened an Eminem album since the yr 2000..i stand on it..this is some media-created shit..now take that to your illuminati board that yall think Jay apart of so much..Eminem got a machine behind him because all the chicks i know will walk out of a room an Eminem record is played in..They buy tickets to Jay and Kanye and Wayne concerts tho..real talk

    • The Kid

      Hey man keep tellin these fools the truth....Em is a nice lyrical emcee but he's just over exposed....ppl dont understand all this who better than who stuff is BS....I'm not hating on Eminem at all but i dont understand how he is the king of hip hop...maybe the king of lyricists....ppl gotta understand when you talk about Jay u talkin about hip hop as a culture...when u talkin about eminem u talkin about jus skills...all this comparison stuff is pointless cuz its nothin more than opinions

    • Anonymous

      GTFOH wit ur hate for Em. He's better than Jay. Hang Yourself !

  • David

    Great Album 5/5. Good production and lyrics. Nice to have a good hip-hop album in the mainstream instead of all that pop shit that's been out lately.

  • SorrySoLongButMustRead

    Time to end this G.O.A.T. foolishness. In this constant debate about Jay-Z being the best ever I read things like "Nas will destroy Jay-Z" or "Eminem got a better flow than Jay" Those are OPINIONS. When will you fools learn that you can't win a debate with OPINIONS. Every rapper has a different style based on where they are from, the time period in which they were most successful, and their unique personality. We all can go on for days about our personal preferences but in a debate criteria like this is completely IRRELEVANT and automatically BIASED. The only way to win a debate is with cold hard FACTS. And the fact of the matter is that, when you weigh all of the tangible criteria (Sales, Critical Acclaim, Consistency, Longevity, and Impact) Jay-Z makes the strongest case for the G.O.A.T. Eminem has sold nearly twice as much as Jay-Z, and he is Jay's equal when it comes to longevity and impact. But Em lacks the consistency or critical acclaim that Jay-Z has (Im not talkin cult/fanboy classics, Im talkin CERTIFIED classics. XXL/Rolling Stone/Source approved) Eminem is VERY close though. Nas has enjoyed more critical acclaim and more overall respect in the hip-hop community through the years. And he's definitely equal to Jay with longevity and impact. But he hasn't been no where near as much of a consistent presence in hip-hop as Jay has. And he is obviously lacking in the sales department. Lil Wayne just may be the most consistent rapper of all time. He's no slouch when it comes to longevity and impact either. His glaring flaw? In his 12 year career Lil Wayne has yet to drop a truly critically acclaimed classic album (and it can be done in this climate. just look at kanye's discography). Also, contrary to popular beleif, Wayne lacks in the sales department. Sure, Tha Carter III and IV are blockbuster albums, but his OVERALL sales of 10 mil US pale in comparison to Jay-Z's 31 mil. 2pac is a touchy subject. When it comes to impact, pac takes the cake. No other rapper touched the world like 2pac did. He, like Em, has also sold more than Jay and he was very consistent in his time. Sadly, 2pac passed before his time which allowed Jay-Z to surpass him in longevity and critical acclaim. LL Cool J was the prototype for what a G.O.A.T. could be. He has enjoyed the most longevity, and he was fairly consistent, but his sales, acclaim and overall impact are no where near the likes of 2pac, Eminem, and ofcourse Jay-Z. Biggie, Rakim, Common, Snoop, the list goes on. All of these MC's are great but none of them have the total G.O.A.T. package like Jay-Z does. Jay-Z is the 3rd highest selling rapper of all time, and the richest. He's one of the most acclaimed (perhaps only rivaled by his boy Kanye). He dropped multi-platinum albums YEARLY from 96'-03', and he is still going strong today. He's been in the game since 88'. He's impacted hip-hop in countless ways from starting one of the 1st successful MC-owned record labels, to being the 1st non-athlete with a signature shoe, to surpassing the likes of Elvis with #1 albums. Jay-Z is without question the Greatest MC Of All Time. Period. You don't have to listen to him everyday (Im currently on my Kendrick wave). You don't even have to like him. But for goodness sake, RESPECT THE FACTS.

    • Anonymous

      Biggie did Junior Mafia in 95...

    • Anonymous

      @Mystery Brown I understand your point w/ 2pac, but seriously are we still making the case for Biggie being better than Jay-Z? Or Nas, Eminem, or any of the greats who have been putting in work for the last decade since Big died? C'mon son. We all loved Big. But his two albums won't carry him forever. Like what at this point other than the "death factor" makes him a better contender for the throne than Jay-Z? I'd say all around their debut albums are on par with each other. Lyrically, Ready to Die is INFERIOR to Reasonable Doubt. But I'll give it to Ready to Die for Big having the better flow at the time and the better production and singles. Other than that, all Big has is Life After Death. And I'm sorry but there is no way in hell that Life After Death eclipses Jay-Z's entire catalouge. It just doesn't make any logical sense. Maybe, IN YOUR OPINION, Life After Death is better than any Jay-Z album individually. But even on that basis, the "Ready to Die is better than The Blueprint" arguement loses steam when Jay-Z has at least three albums that are just as good waiting to be tagged in. Even when Big was alive he was no where near as consistent as Jay-Z. It took him 3 years to follow up ready to die. When Big dropped his 1st album, it was 2 years b4 Jay even came out. But by the time he died, Jay was already gearing up his second. In 2011, I think its safe to say that Jay-Z had a better run than The Notorious B.I.G.; and with new contenders entering the arena every year, the best BIG can get is a permanent top 10 slot. Top 5 is pushing it, and top 3 is mathematically impossible.

    • Mystery Brown

      I don't agree with Jay being the G.O.A.T. Top 10, most definitely. Top 5, sure Top 3....depends if you like Nas better. But THE guy? NO. Sales-wise (since everyone defines that as "success" in the rap game), 2Pac eclipses Jay time almost three at this point. Album wise, "Me Against the World" is better than Jay's best album, which at this point is "Reasonable Doubt" As for B.I.G., we all know that both of Biggie living albums (Ready to Die and Life After Death) completely outdo ANY of Jay's catalouge. B.I.G.'s flow, delivery, and subject were better and more diverse as well. At this point, the BEST Jay can be is #3.

    • GTFO

      Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint, The Black Album, American Gangster >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Slim Shady LP, Marshall Mathers LP, The Eminem Show, Recovery Jay-Z's best albums shit on Eminem's best albums

    • Anonymous

      Based off of your Criteria, the greatest Hip-Hop acts of all time are as follows (groups include members solo careers): 1)Jay-Z 2)2pac 3)Eminem 4)Nas 5)Wu-Tang Clan 6)Kanye West 7)Lil' Wayne 8)Snoop Dogg 9)OutKast 10)The Notorious B.I.G. 11)LL Cool J 12)Run-DMC 13)Ludacris 14)Common 15)Rakim

    • @JasonPennells

      Smh your still missing the point. Your still talking OPINION. YOU think BP3 is garbage. YOU think Ems flow is more complex. That doesnt have anything to do with anything. Dude gave props for Ems sales and impact but Jay-Z has em beat when it comes to Criticall acclaim, Consitency, and Longevity. Consistency is not a argument of quality. Its an argument of who put in the most work during their time and Jay-Z put in way more work than Em. If you wanna talk quality, Jay-Z has 3 certified classic albums. Em has 1.

    • Anonymous

      lmao "source approved" i stopped reading there.

    • Jason Pennells

      Jay Z Consistent????? WTF?? DID yu hear the Blueprint 3? other than DOA and Empire State of Mind the album was GARBAGE. -In My Lifetime vol 1, The Dynasty and Blueprint2 are also kinda mediocre and the critics think the same. and Recovery > Blueprint 3. It was better critically and financially, and other than the stupid rhianna single Em's rhymes were just as good as his older works. You can not say that Jay-Z is consistent with his rhymes and his flow is not even near as complex or difficult as Em's. You also have to look at international appeal. Eminem's fan base internationally is WAY bigger than Jay-Z's. In America its a close race for who has the most impact but every where else in the world its not even a contest. The only thing Jay has on Em is the fact that he has been doing it since 96

    • Anonymous

      agreed. can't argue with the facts. if you don't at least respect Hov as a top 5 all time MC, then you're delusional.

    • Osagz Osagie Alonge

      i so agree

  • kingrichard1

    gud muzik no bull....http://www.youtube.com/user/Darealkingrichard?feature=mhee

  • kingrichard1

    mane y'all fans/critics r wayyyyy 2 critical of every song n hip hop,its jus muzik!!!!!!!! but i understand wen u pay yo hard earned cash & it doesn't live up 2 da level it said it wood,da carter 4 shud b compared 2 all other lil wayne albums & jay & kanye accordingly & substance is wateva da artist & fan wit a open mind call it,everybody dnt wnt a damn lecture wen dey listen 2 muzik....http://www.youtube.com/user/Darealkingrichard?feature=mhee

  • stepyagameup

    i dont like jayz or kanye but watch the throne is way better than Tha carter 4 and thats saying alot becuz watch the throne wasnt even that good either . Lil wayne is just terrible at rappin and Tha carter 4 proved he is overrated , i feel sorry for the idiots who bought the album

  • Anonymous

    Production lyrics flow delivery and hooks all dissapointing from the 6 or so tracks i've heard. It's not bad but for Jay... Where's Reasonable Doubt/American Gangster Jay? Prob like a 6.5/10

  • phenom

    classic!! the more i hear carter 4 the more i am convinced!!

  • Ryan Zilla Leggroan

    Give me a song on R.E.D. Album or The Carter IV, That Has Substance? I'll Wait!!! Just Listen to the words, and not the beats and you will see that they are SPITTIN some Dope lyrics!!!

  • randy

    should have only got 2.0 cd suck jay z n kayne both shyt waaaay overrated both of em

  • Red-I

    Really disappointed w/ this album, only a handful of tracks are on playback, imo, & iz it just me, but Swizzy's hook on "welcome 2 the jungle" iz B/S..but i guess thas how Swizz duz his hooks..haha

  • Anonymous

    lift off sucks. prolly coz it was written by bruno mars. ayo tyler if u dont manage to stab that muhfukka holla at me man. but other than that i can hear the whole thing widout skippin anything. 4.5/5

  • Lance Randell Gwathney

    I feel it was a lil overrated.I want the old Jay-Z back.I understand the in order to grow you have to leave certain things behind.Now when you stop doing what brought you to the four front,it's not always a good look.Take Chris tucker for exaple,i can respect what he did as far as not doing certain things like cursing,but that's what got you to where u are no.You dont have to dumb down to progress,just make different examples.Sorry jay and ye,im not to impressed.

  • Thomas

    album is great! Loved it, and why the fuck are ppl expecting the most amazing shit all the time every time? I mean yea they're the kings of hip-hop but nobody's perfect man.

  • Anonymous

    Horrible Ass Music This shit was so disappointing.

  • Anonymous

    Roc-A-Fella, students of the game, we passed the classes Nobody could read you dudes like we do Don't let 'em gas you like Jigga is ass and won't clap you Trust me on this one - I'll detach you Mind from spirit, body from soul They'll have to hold a mass, put your body in a hole No, you're not on my level get your brakes tweaked I sold what ya whole album sold in my first week You guys don't want it with Hov' Ask GAME, he don't want it with Hov', nooooo! I know you missin all the - FAAAAAAAME! But along with celebrity comes bout seventy shots to your brain Nigga; you a - LAAAAAAAME! Youse the fag model for HURRICANE,ads Went from,THE GAME to L.A.'s trash Had a spark when you started but now you're just garbage Fell from top ten to not mentioned at all to your MENTORS VERSE's on "DRUG TEST" was better than yours Matter fact you had the worst flow on the whole fuckin song but I know - the sun don't shine, then son don't shine That's why your - LAAAAAAAME! - career come to a end There's only so long fake thugs can pretend Nigga; you ain't live it you witnessed it from your folks pad You scribbled in your notepad and created your life smarten up "GAME" Four albums in ten years nigga? I could divide That's one every let's say two, two of them shits was due One was - NAHHH, the other was "the documentry" That's a one hot album every ten year average And that's so - LAAAAAAAME! Nigga switch up your flow Your shit is garbage, but you try and kick knowledge? (Get the fuck outta here) You niggaz gon' learn to respect the king Don't be the next contestant on that Summer Jam screen Because you know who (who) did you know what (what) with you know who (yeah) but just keep that between me and you for now A wise man told me don't argue with fools Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who So stop with that childish shit, nigga I'm grown Please leave it alone - don't throw rocks at the throne Do not bark up that tree, that tree will fall on you I don't know why your advisors ain't forewarn you Please, not Jay, he's, not for play I don't slack a minute, all that thug rappin and gimmicks I will end it, all that yappin be finished You are not deep, you made your bed now sleep Don't make me expose to them folks that don't know you Nigga I know you well, all the stolen jew-els Twinkletoes have a "CHANGE OF HEART" You can't fuck with me - go play somewhere, I'm busy And for "lil wayne" throwin shots at Jigga You only get half a bar - fuck fuck yo nigga R.O.C., we runnin this rap shit ME and YEEZY, we runnin this rap shit J.COLE, we run this rap shit Get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it

  • Anonymous

    some people dont like the tracks talking about problems with people of color in america that REAL shit they just simply dont want to hear it so they call the album trash they dont want a rapper talking about racial problems and being a better father.on the flip side of that they dont want to listen to two black men spend money they worked hard for and they not bragging to the fans about there wealth rappers ALWAYS try to show EACHOTHER up when they talk about shit they do or own your fav rapper does this also but just because its jay-z and kanye they hate because they really got that bread.how many times have you seen a rapper get in trouble for not paying the dealership for the car or having to rent or return the jewewlry they be rockin and we all clowned them but we hate on jay thats crazy.5 STARS DELUXE VERSION GO GET THAT

    • jayzafaggotforfrontingconscious

      No we call it trash because Jay Z has rapped for about 10 yrs about his money, his bling, his life, his wife, all that he has, etc..and now at the twilight of his career is all of a sudden conscious?!? See Jay-Z has changed throughout his career using the newest fades (stole Snoop Dogs...for shizel, my nizel h-to the izzo..for shizel my nizel - he sounded terrible using Autotune so he tried to kill it), he's stolen Biggie's life and lyrics, used the current hot rappers - from a hot Juvenile to Nas, etc. and we allow that because he's makes it new and better, but don't play with conscious rap. Conscious rap is the one last great thing that carries a message to black folk. Most rappers preach black genocide...drink, go kill ya fellow black man, sell dope, etc. Many millions ago, Jay could have tried to spread a good word, but when he decides to do it because he knows folks are tired of him talking about his money and he uses conscious rap as his new fade, folk, that's a no-no.

  • Anonymous

    no church for the wild sound like some pink floyd shit crazy track.

  • J Y

    I've spun WTT, I've spun RED, I've spun C4 and the only one I can listen to from first track to last is RED. It has a coherence that the other 2 albums lack (they aint whack but they just don't have the same listenability). People hate on Game for his features. Wayne got plenty of those on C4. WTT was made by 2 dudes. So people stop hating. All these albums are keeping hip hop alive. I know you're not thinking the New Boyz or Kreayshawn are doing that. come on now

  • Anonymous

    Albums ok. 3.5 to 4. I'm not hater like Jay fans are so i'll give him his due. But when you have these two colabing, you have to be disappointed with the output. This isn't in any form the greatest current colab...it comes no where near the nas/marley album.

  • John LLoyd

    Jay-Z is the best to ever do it. hes the most consistent rapper, he's outlasted all his peers, he is better than eminem. He is better than biggie. he is better than Pac and He is better than Nas. Thats no disrespect to the rest of the great rap legend. But From start to finish Jay-z spits, Its funny that half the shit he says is still over peoples heads. Cats say hov isnt lyrical. Do you listen to music or just skim through it?

    • Anonymous

      Em got better flow than Jay.

    • Anonymous

      Jay the GOAT ?????????????? And he continues to bite lines of other rappers !!! GOAT my ass !

    • Anonymous

      you're quoting jay-z on nas albums while they are battling...go back and listen to Nas albums. they were head and toes above others, they just weren't on the level of illmatic. That's just like Jay's albums not coming close to the Black album. The only person who consistently put out great albums right after each other was Biggie (i'm sure there are more, but i mean had no fall off from album to album). I can't even say that about pac because he had to taylor his albums to let other Deathrow or thug life folks get verses which hurt his albums. Too Short has been around for a while and getting record sales. I don't feel his simple flow personally but he's been there. If you want to go there then you have to say 50 is the greatest of all times because he consistently gets radio push and radio sales, so that's why i included these folks. Two short may get most of his love in Cali so I can see why the '?' was included but he's been doing it for a long time.

    • Antoine Peoples

      None of those rappers have been as consistent as Jay has. Being consistent is more than just putting out albums. Its putting out good music. LL fell off for a looooong time (maybe because he was focused on tv and movies). Lil Wayne started weak and poppish, gained strength but has shown with C4 that he plateaued. Tupac maybe couldve been consistent but hes been dead for 15+ years! Too short? Eminem is by far the best lyricist alive (and dead IMO) but his music doesnt have the flow or style of Jay-Z. Nas is horribly inconsistent (1 hot album every 10 year average, remember?). And people like to forget the whole Braveheart period. Nas is hit or miss which is why Jay will always be considered better than him.

    • Anonymous

      LL Cool, Lil Wayne, Tupac, Too Short, Nas, Eminem, etc. all have had longevity and made a lot of money. Understand Jay hates on a lot of people to be on time. He goes after styles like 'Death of Autotune' because he can't do them. Lil Wayne embraced it and used it to his advantage. Why was Death of the Autotune even needed. You do you, and let them do them, but see, that was taking food from Jay's mouth because his style is talking and he didn't sound good the one time he tried to autotune. You don't hear Nas talking about kill the autotune or the swagger rap...Nas does him...lets dudes do them. same with Lil Wayne, LL, etc. Now super laid back jay is jumping around in Otis like Lil Wayne, when he first entered, he was laid back like Biggie... I like Jay but don't act like he's the greatest. He's definitely ONE of the greatest.

  • Bill K

    Better than Recovery and Relapse. Dont even pretend thats not true.

  • Anonymous

    dope af!!!!!!!!!!! WTT

  • Datruth

    Straight up fire...I skipped about 1 track on the album and a bonus track which was H.A.M becuz I heard it wayyyy too much already

  • kingseanington

    http://soundcloud.com/ess500/kill-in-um-soundwav-tag The real hip hop is over here

  • Rob

    in the top 3 albums of the year idk what 9th wounder was talking about

  • Thulani Twice Ngobese

    good album 4sure

  • Thulani Twice Ngobese

    good album 4sure

  • Drake Oner

    I like Late Registration Kan"yay", Common "Be" yay, Consequence "yay", whatever happened? Man I like Kanyes beats when he was flippin Chaka Kahn samples..."lift off" is coo

  • Dariel Jehova Hamberlin

    Its a album for an older audience sooo i dont expect teens to like this album any how..

  • Anonymous

    good album, lyrically could of been better.

  • Evol Won Love

    I press play and don't skip any songs on this album, I dont even skip lift off which is mostly an r&b track. but that's the way it should be when 2 legends do an album together. 5 out of 5

  • B.J. Smith

    Great album. I wish I bought the deluxe cd instead but its all good. Kanye and Jigga did the damn thing.

  • john mcday

    Jay puts the finishing touch on Kanye tracks. great original rap music !

  • BILLBOARD

    the people saying this album is wack are a bunch of thug niggas who only listen to songs about shooting people, raping girls, stealing stuff, smoking weed e.t.c THIS ALBUM GOING TO SELL BETTER THAN LIL WEENIE AND THE GAY'S ALBUM

  • yo moma

    this album is just ok. to be honest i was kinda disappointed with this project. i was expecting to be blown away by the lyrics and the production but i wasnt. i want the the blue print jay back. will some body please find me the pre 808s and heartbreaks kanye

  • JFranks

    These two are the best doing it. I really like BME, and they are lyrically ahead of Jay and Yeezy but WTT brings it all together. This is probably going to end up being the best hip hop album of the year, unless Sideline Story or Radioactive blows us away. Or if Nas drops his album in time.

  • malone

    Sounds so soulful don't you agree!!

  • one of the best ive heard in a while

    Ye is on a roll. Fuck weezy kanye is the best in the game right now

  • wayne fan

    im a wayne fan but i have to admit this is better then carter 4

  • Jonasjrock822

    Album Of The Year!!!! Lyrical!!! Real Hip Hop is on it's way back!!! Listened to the Carter IV and it just couldn't compare.

  • tony s

    eh, its decent, not better than Tha Carter IV, but decent. YMCMB >

  • carAnthony

    Beautiful beats, amazing wording & lyrics too... Best Album of the year.... also fo' me!

  • RedontheMP

    Not something that will be looked back on as revolutionary in my ears. I wont be going back to listen to this unless I feel I wanna get ignorant (not so bad sometimes). Its an album that features two very promising figures in Hip-Hop/Rap music, who delivered a somewhat underwhelming product. Not a terrible album but its isnt a Blueprint/College Dropout caliber album.

  • Andre Lavell

    Lol.. I don't have this debate often because those who dislike this album are obviously those who just don't get it. ... which is cool. Niggas have preferences, aint nothing wrong. This is to the memory of Danroy Henry/ Too much enemy fire to catch a friendly/ Strays from the same shade nigga, we on the same team/ Giving you respect, I expect the same thing/ - Murder to excellence This is an album you'll have to LISTEN to. Plug your ipod or somethin, throw some headphones on and actually listen to what these niggas are saying. If you don't get it, just say you don't get it.

  • JasonVisker

    looking over all these comments and i know now why hip hop is where it is its not the soulja boyz and games and waynes its theses dumbass no hearing real music fans thats why i gotta listen to bullshit coming out!!!i cannot believe someone said the RED album was better then WTT and the only thing that is good about the carter IV is tech N9ne is on the album please all you real hip hop fans support your artist and all you dumbass fans let a real fan school ya on how to listen to music

    • Anonymous

      red great album noway

    • hmm

      school people on what to listen to? ITS CALLED AN OPINION. i KNOW i'm a smart guy and i'v ben a musician my whole life. I thought RED album was a great album. I thought Section 80 was a great album, I thought Returnof4eva was a great album/mixtape. Are you gonna tell me i dont like "good music". I thought WTT was average, i thought RED album was great (besides like 3 songs). anyway, just my OPINION

  • nut10

    Watch Tha Throne is 4 mature Grown ass people. This is what real music sound like(are its just me).

  • anonymous

    i thing RED album is a lot better then this album.. Kayne is fire but gay-z no so... Def gonna cop Carter IV and i got RED album which is fire!!!!

  • jcelo

    Kayne and Jay-z did there thing.. i wished to hear more tracks but it was a good album.

  • jason

    I just gave this piece of shit 1 star. lol Weezy over Gay-Z any day of the week

  • Anonymous

    WTT is an evolution of hip-hop! These guys took a chance with the beats, lyrics and ideas on this cd. I'm tried of hearing the same 'ol I was a big drug dealer in my hood who just who decided to rap songs, ride or die chick song, or the I have so much money everybody want to be me or they hate me song. This album is a classic but some people won't get it or understand.

  • Antoine Peoples

    I learned my lesson a long time ago about rating a Jay-Z album after one listen. I never grasp how good the album is on the first go round so I put it on repeat and listen a few times first. And like his other albums, this one took a few listens to really "get" it. Hell, I hated Vol. 3 (shelved for at least a year before I gave it repeat performances) and the Black Album when they came out. But, after listening a couple times I can say that this album is good to great. First thing I listen for in an album is "listenability." Can I listen to the WHOLE CD without skipping a song? Most albums cant even accomplish that and that alone bumps it up to at least a 3 for me. Then, can I repeat playing the cd and not only not get tired of it, but hear new things I missed? Thats where Jay-Z is strongest and leads the pack to me and why his albums necessitate repeat listens! You miss stuff on the first, second and even third listen with him. Thats gives the album at least a half star. Then finally is production. I think the production was good, not great. Half star. I didnt mention Kanye because this album sounded basically like a rehash of Dark Twisted Fantasy for him. He didnt add much to the album but he didnt take away from it either. 3.5-4 stars

  • Ryder

    This album was very bad to say the least. Jay-Z sounds bored and has run out of things to rap about, Kanye outshines him on this LP, but thats not a compliment towars kayne, i think anyone would of outshined Jay on this. The production is good in places but also very bad in places and auto-tune doesnt do "watch the throne" any favours. Songs such as "muder to exellence" are good but it doesnt hide the fact the LP is a dissapointment after such a long wait. this isnt a classic album and anyone who says it is needs to listen to more hip-hop and rap in general.

  • Evo

    Its a classic. Way better than "BluePrint 3" and "My beautiful Dark twisted Fantasy". Every song can be listened to, some my come off as "ehh" but if you give it a play and listen you'll be like "this is pretty good". Im not too crazy on beats/instrumentals that change drastically in the song like some on here. I think thats more suited for like RnB, Rock, etc. Its kinda "hit or miss" with me but not enough to lessen the rating. If you appreciate good music, have an open mind for new music formula, and love Hip-Hop then youll love the album.

  • Hype Hype Hype !

    One of the most over hyped albums in recent memories !

  • Clarity

    Jay has never been this political and straightforward before. To say he's run out of topics is clearly a misconception. What's up with this if you listen and like mainstream hip hop you can't be a real hip hop head shit? That's like saying if you marvel and enjoy watching Michael Jackson dance, you can't fully appreciate street dance. See how stupid that shit sounds.

  • Joshua El-Tigre Padilla

    Album Of the Year!!!!!!! Fuck All You N.i.G.G.E.R. Thats ARe Hatin..... Welcome to HavanaSmoking cubanos with Castro in cabanasViva Mexico, Cubano Dominicano, all the plugs that I know Driving Benzes, wit’ no benefits

  • whutevaman

    It's not a classic, but to say it's wack is just plain hating. I'm not dissapointed at all. Lyrics are nice and the sound is completely different than anything out. 4/5

  • Ano

    This album has its moments

  • Anonymous

    im convinced people don't listen to jay when he raps. like really listen... no church in the wild, n*ggas in paris, who gon stop me , murder to excellence, made in america, new day, that's my bitch,and welcome to the jungle. people gonna listen to these songs, really listen to what hes saying and call it wack? really though? thats like the whole album minus three songs that he legitimately killed by himself... people need to get their own opinion

  • LJ83

    Reading these comments reminds me why I don't consider myself a "hip hop fan" anymore. It's amazing how dumb some of these replies are, and it's funny how the late-teen, early-twenties douches with dreams of being an MC go out of their way to shit on anything "commercial" in an attempt to be seen as having a discerning opinion, when all it means is you just jump mindlessly on a different bandwagon than the "sheep" you think you're opposing.

  • Dariel Jehova Hamberlin

    How do you figure that? V v v v v

  • Krishna Crispy

    WORST ALBUM OF 2011....

    • Anonymous

      havent heard RED album yet, but Im pretty sure its fire, but to say WTT the worst album your crazy, game been working on his album for 2-3 years, jay & ye for less than a year, no doubt Game is the hungry underdog , but he been riding d*cks forever....GTFOH

  • EDcali

    MOST OVERRATED ALBUM OF THE YEAR = BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT OF THE YEAR. Only Murder to Excellence deserves my mp3 so i will give 1 star for that. BTW RED >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WTT every fuckin day!!!

    • Anonymous

      red flop of the year

    • Andre Cooper

      It is people like you that hiphopdx should change it's format for blogging smh....rate the album right without being a total hater!!!! You know damn well this album ain't no one star!!!! Be real with yourself and stop hating my dude.

  • Underrated

    Most creative rap album of all time. Two lyrical beasts trade flows over top notch production, one of the best albums this year.

  • Eric Walker

    This album really showed me that Jay-Z has long run out of things to talk about.

  • Anonymous

    LMAO KAYNE LAS ALBUM WAS HIS WORST ALBUM NOWHERE NEAR A CLASSIC THAT ALBUM WAS A 3/5 AT THE BEST

  • nOThATING

    3.5/5 - I wasnt feeling this album even though Kaynes last album was a classic. FUCK JIGGA.

  • Jason

    i have never seen an album sell out like this one ever in my days of buying a new release!!! But then again we are in the days of digital and retailers have cut way back on staff who knows anything and ordering more than one box of a new release. Cardboard displays and front of the store merchandising are gone now the new albums are placed on a back rack gondola in the store. Way to lose money on sales Best Buy!!!

  • hoffmanhoffamazin

    LISTEN TO THE GARBAGE IS MORE LIKE IT

  • Anonymous

    2 album pretty shit

  • Eli Abdallah

    some real shit, better than weezy 3/5

  • listen2most

    album is way above the average commercial ish we are bombarded with on tv and the radio, i will also say its far from a classic. Biggest problem this album will have is you have to listen, they are r sayin some real ish, ish most rappers aint sayin so they can get they video n radio play

  • marckensp

    hot ass album!!! 5 stars!

  • Anonymous

    LOLOLOL, America/ Try and assassinate my character."

  • Anonymous

    this album not for people with A low I.Q most of the refrences are from black culture that you probably are not into its the truth this album is full of positive quotes i would say 90% of the people on these forums dont know who keke sheppard is and dont even know who phillip drummond was either you to young or not in to black culture and most of the time its both bottom line this album takes are look at WHITE AMERICA and people not use to hearing that since public enemy its not in your face like it was back then but white people dont want to hear songs about malcom x or songs about violence in the inner city they want to hear rappers like game and rick ross talk about smackin up bitches they love the negative aspect of the culture but they dont want to hear kanye talking about fucking a white bitch with a flat ass but they rather hear a rapper shoot up 20 niggas on a album.

    • Anonymous

      In the past if you picture events like a black tie What the last thing you expect to see, black guys? –“Murder to Excellence” Only spot a few blacks the higher I go What’s up to Will. Shout out to O. That ain’t enough…we gonna need a million more –“Murder to Excellence”

  • JRock

    This album is terrible. The only way I would find any of these songs good is if I listened to them all at least 3 times, I did not like any song from start

  • furcoats2thezoo

    Love how tey were sayin how its just straight hiphop album wit no hooks and its so hard, but then Jay puts his wife on a chorus.shit is lame and corny dude is right on one thing if it wasn't these two on the album, it would be extremely forgettable

  • Anonymous

    im a big fan but the album sucks southern dicks

  • Franklin Benjaman 100

    That hatred I've encurred about this album is disappointing. as I've related it to my commrades; we've been eating hamburger helper rap for so long now when we get filet minon it tastes funny at first! People really justifying their hatred for this album on the strength of Jay-Z's age? Of the content? Of the noises he makes between lyrics? Yet Jay-Z at 40-41 is still the hottest nigga here next to Ye, Em and Nas! I thought we learned with Aalyiah age aint nothing but a number! Jay-Z and Ye are WEALTHY! They're talking that wealth shit. When they were broke slanging and what not they talked about that, "I speak it than you see it, its not just in the music." They also are seeing fewer of their own people in the upper eshelon or their Black women being praised the way White women are and that's not content suitable for you?! Seriously?! And on noises, Wayne can say "Yeah" after everything or giggle like a lil bitch, Ross sounds like he's cackling with his (huuh) after every other thing he says (ROSAY fills in the other dead spaces or WHOOOOOO) yet we're hating on Hov?! Come folks, lets talk about what all this hatred is really about. We as a Hip-Hop community love to see the rise and the fall, we love to see youth come in be great and then fade away when they get older. Unfortunately for this generation however, they're not making the type of music that you'll have to stop and listen to when it comes on the radio 10 20 years from now! Think about who's still in the game that you're still listening to that will still be hot and relevant in 10 20 years, Snoop, Eminem, Nas, Jay-Z, Kanye West, Dr. Dre, Game!!!! If these cats are still making classic music and the youth are making nonsense guess what? That means the game done changed and it's time for all of us to quit looking to the fertilized eggs to produce a hit and let these legends and what not carry the game for a while!

    • furcoats2thezoo

      your mistaken.this album is filled with autotune hooks and verses. your an idiot if you think any song with that type of production is going to be listened to in 20 years. when we hear drakes or kanyes voice in 20 years its gonna be like "yo wats that wak voice that all those songs had on them,hiphopwas fukin up back then"if dudes are gonna rap or sing, let people hear the idiosyncrasies of your voice. dont call them legends cuz you've heard em on the radio your whole life, and they sell records.

    • HQ

      wayne sucks. rick ross sucks. jay-z sucks on the mic now. that AGAAGGHHHH sound is retarded. jay-z's flow continues to weaken. notice how short his breaths are now. there's nothing here that is difficult to deliver live, other than a brief second of double time rapping over a techno beat that sucks. this ain't filet mignon jack. the blueprint, was prime rib. late registration, was filet minon. this is frozen steakums, shipped from europe. if you love this album, chances are you're either a jay-z dickrider, or a kanye dickrider. that's fine. just know these niggas have released FAR better music together. nothing on this album is close to what they did on the diamonds remix. lacks quotables. no classic beats off the rip. the blueprint was a classic the day it dropped. this shit was a DUD the moment it leaked. there's jay-z fans, jay-z haters, and jay-z dickriders. you sir, are a jay z dickrider. this isn't the first time he's dropped a disappointing album. it's just extra disappointing considering he had kanye at his disposal and still couldn't get it done. not at any point during listening, did i think "wow jay and kanye really worked hard for that one". they dropped an album, and cashed in. they won, the listeners lost. not everyone that thinks this album sucks is a hater. get it through your heads, you emo queers. dont let me stop you from thinking its amazing. but i have followed both these niggas careers closely, and this is far from amazing. they both sound like they are on E. fill up the gas tank. shit is weak.

  • HQ

    jay-z fell way the fuck off. dude makes so many stupid noises in between his average raps now. where's the flow? basic ass flow, empty lyrics. i keep seeing niggas say this album is pro black. where? mr hudson hooks aren't pro black, mr hudson hooks are designed to attract WHITES. seriously some of the worst rapping of jay-z's incredible career. i'm a big jay-z fan, but he kills maybe 1 verse on this album. compare that to the black album, where he killed every verse. kanye beats are fucking gay nowdays. this is a very gay album. soft men will like this album. the album reminds of the firm, or nastradamus. huge letdown. its like dr.dre presents the aftermath. i'd argue most long time jay-z fans aren't crazy about it. in my lifetime jay-z fans, know this shit is weak. all y'all new school drake and big sean fans, probably cant believe the brilliance. all perspective. weak beats, weak rapping, weak songs, weak album. i don't care who dropped it. back to the drawing board. these niggas made some straight up bullshit, and to add insult to injury really shot for the charts on some faggot pop shit.

  • Kory House

    good album i think, Jay is casual nowadays but i love the style.

  • Jarrett David Grimes

    How can you hear "Primetime", "New Day", "Murder To Excellence", "Welcome to the Jungle", "The Joy", etc and claim that this isn't hip-hop?! This is about as hip-hop as it get's in the mainstream. Sure this album had it's fair share of experimentation but that's what makes it great. You have to try new things in order to move forward.

    • MBTM

      no offence bro but you are the ugliest motherfucker I have ever seen. If I didn't know any better I'd assume your mom was a titty waitress at hooters, got pregnant, was fired for her slump in appearance, then couldn't afford an abortion so she had the local kids try and whack her bulging fetus like a piÃNLG±ata. Only you survived and that's how you ended up with such a disfigured face. Either that or you got baptised with scolding hot coffee. I bet if a blind kid felt your face he'd be asking why there's a pizza on this camels ass. shit's disgusting bro get it sorted or at least wear a bucket over your head or something. peace

    • Anonymous

      These people are too dumb to realize this. Hip Hop consists of stripped down boom bam beats and a rapper who raps about Hip Hop for them.

  • BRINGI

    aint nuthin hiphop about this album i'm not saying its total trash cz the white kids might not like that but i actually wanted to listen to some real hiphop which it aint yall enjoy some pop

    • BRINGI

      let me explain hiphop for yall, hiphop is dope beats and rhymes, that album had no dope beats and no dope rhymes and jay-z cant flow for shit nowadays not to mention kanye's so from a real hiphop head perspective this album sucked real bad..the throne can only be earned by those who deserve it end of the story.

    • Anonymous

      Explain real Hip Hop. I've got an advice for you, it doesn't exist outside of your imagination.

    • cmon son

      please no throwing rocks at the throne the people have spoken its a classic this album is hater proof move in with your life lmaoo add a lil suguar ouwww

    • WTT

      he didnt get the memo yeezy back in style

    • Anonymous

      whats real hiphop explain please?

    • Anonymous

      hiphop has no boundries just people

  • Anonymous

    smash music. trash hip hop. fck this this isnt rap. Lil B raps better than Kanye. and he even writtes his own words

  • Anonymous

    (KW) I do it for the four fathers, yeah the street authors / That are now A&Rs in the cheap office / Rappers that never got signed but they keep offers / Girls that’s way to fine for us to keep off us / Gave her a handshake, only for my man’s sake / She in her birthday suit cause of the damn cake / Now there’s crumbs all over the damn place / And she want me to c*m all over her damn face / I never understood Planned Parenthood / Cause I never met nobody planned to be a parent in the hood / Taken refills of that Plan B pill / Another shorty that won’t make it to the family will / If I don’t make it, can’t take it, hope the family will / They ain’t crazy, they don’t know how insanity feel / Don C. just had a shorty so it’s not that bad / But I still hear the ghosts of the kids I never had / No electro, no metro / A little retro, ahh, perfecto / You know the demo, your boy act wild / You ain’t get the memo, Yeezy’s back in style

  • cmon son

    add a little suger ouwwww

  • crazy

    Now you know ass is Willie When they got you in a mag For like half a Billi And your ass ain't Lilly White That mean that shit you write must be illy Either that or your flow is silly It's both I don't mean to boast But damn if i don't brag Them crackers gonna act like i ain't on they ads The Martha Stewart That's far from Jewish Far from a Harvard student Just had the balls to do it And no I'm not through with it In fact I'm just previewing it This ain't the show I'm just EQ'in it One, Two and i won't stop abusing it To groupie girls stop false accusing it Back to the music The mayback roof is translucent Niggas got a problem Houston What up B They can't shut up me Shut down I Not even P.E. I'mma ride God forgive me for my brash deivery But i remember vivily What these streets did to me So picture me Lettin these clowns nit pick at me Paint me like a Pickaninny I will literally Kiss Tee-Tee in the forhead Tell her please forgive me Then squeeze until your forhead I'm not the one to score points off In fact I got a joint to knock your points off Young Hova the God nigga blast for me I'm at the Trump International Ask for me I ain't never scared I'm everywhere You ain't never there Nigga why would i ever care Pound for pound I'm the best to ever come around here Excluding nobody Look what i embody The soul of a hustler i really ran the street I CEO's mine That marketing plan was me And no i ain't get shot up a whole bunch of times Or make up shit in a whole bunch of lines And i ain't animated, like say a, Busta Rhymes But the real shit you get when you bust down my lines Add that to the fact i went plat a bunch of times Times that by my influence On pop culture I supposed to be number one on everybody's list We'll see what happens when i no longer exist Fuck this

  • real

    If you havent heard Primetime listen then you know thats thes song that makes this album complete

  • Anonymous

    THE 40 YEAR OLD PHENOM

  • AOTY

    Not bad, huh,for some immigrants?Build your fences, we diggin’tunnels Can’t you see we gettin’ money up under you?Can’t ya see the private jets flyin’ over you? Maybach bumpersticker read “What would Hova do?” Jay is chillin’,‘Ye is chillin’,what more can I say?We killin’ ‘em Hold up, before we end this campaign As you can see we done bodied the damn lames Lord, please let them accept the things they can’t change And pray that all of they pain be champagn

  • Anonymous

    "But I still hear the ghosts of the kids I never had"

  • Mensah Golden Chyld Preis

    Let me break it down.... 1.They purposely made sure they didn't have a single that was radio friendly, its was a statement saying we can make what we want. That's good shit 2. The production takes different style beats from different era's in Hip-Hop history. (Just go listen, that's why they have RZA, Pete Rock, Neptunes, Swizz, Mike Dean, even took the electronica sound that's origins are in Detroit, etc.) The samples alo highlight some our best artists of all time. 3. This album is saying "F" white America. Just listen...Quick track breakdown 1. 'No Church'No explanation needed, talking about not believing in the system 2. 'Lift Off'Interlude track,basically saying get ready for whats next 3. 'Niggas in Paris' This track is talking shit to people who think just because you black in Europe don't mean you can BALL. Just listen to the skit, its a joke at how whites don't really understand what the substance in HIP HOP is really about. 4. 'Otis' just a little flexing over a sample of one of the best AA artists of all time. Who left us way to early. 5. 'Gotta Have it' they get right to the point, F white America. That's why Kanye comes in with 'LOLOLOL White America" Discussing how society hates rich blacks. Just peep the sample. 6. 'New Day' Just some insight on how they are rea people too, who worry about raising they're kids. 7. 'Thats My Bitch Jay-Z shines on this talking about how black women aren't given respect as beautiful as they are. 8. 'Welcome To the Jungle' talking your way through the hood. Jay highlights the tricky nature of the hood. 9. 'Who Gon Stop Me' the name says it all. Kanye shouts 'millions of our people lost'. Highlighting the the progress of successful blacks. 10. 'Murder to Excellence' if I have to explain this then you probably haven't heard it, or is totally oblivious to the struggle of blacks in America. 11. 'Made in America' talking about how we have made a name in America as blacks, but we need to build on it. 'we need a million more' 12. 'Why I love you' Jay talking to Beans and the rest of the camp that he feels are disrespectful to him, and other critics of his legacy. *wont break down the bonus tracks, but primetime, the joy, and illest alive should have been given to all..Buy this album!!!!!

    • Anonymous

      @f LOLOLO WHITE AMERICA u sound like kanye fucked one of your bitches you want amber back? lmaoo

    • f

      That's funny, considering 87% of Kanye West's fans (the same fans who make him money) are faggot ass white hipsters. Fuck outta here you nigger. KW and Jay-Z are self absorbed faggots.

  • k

    Im not from america so i dont really get the lyrics that much. But as for production this album was beautiful. Especially on good sound system.

  • Anonymous

    many will listen but few will hear

    • Anonymous

      soooo true, this album will go over people heads, also people take offense to jay & ye's boasting but people should realise when their bragging on their money , fame etc, they're not talking to us(the fans) they're bragging to all the other rappers who brag (birdman, gucci, wayne, the racks-on-racks dude) , not waving their money in OUR faces, but one-upping the antagonist

  • Anonymous

    "take it how you want to a nigga dead until then im the illest motherfucker aliveeeeeee/whole world aiming at a nigga head because im the illest motherfucker aliveeeeeee "

  • Anonymous

    standard version 4 deluxe 5

  • blackricktheruler

    It's only 3 songs i might skip,but the album is damn good other then that.

  • C-Mo Money

    This album wuz str8 up trash. If it wuznt jayz n kanye puttin this muthafucka out, nobody would say itz any good. Garbage

    • Anonymous

      This album wuz str8 up fire. If it wuznt jayz n kanye puttin this muthafucka out, nobody would say itz bad. Classic

  • WatchTheComment

    Solid fucking album. 4/5.

  • Gh

    "Lift off" is a trash cut ruining the vibe on the beginning of the album. Goddamn, No church in the wild then Niggas in Paris then Otis then Gotta have it then a New day WOULD HAVE BEEN PERFECT.

  • Jerome Drake

    2 years pure shit from them 2 .... finally out of the box

  • Anonymous

    Album is fucking dope "I'm plakining on a million" "O shit is just blacks on black on black" "Taught niggaz how to be kings but all they wanted was to be soldiers" "Domino, Domino only spot a few blacks the higher i go" Hater Hate 5*

  • watch my butthole

    Man there are alot of Eminem Stans on here , like for real , Eminem was dope back in the dayz , but he just sucks ass today . and thats real talk . i dont understand you fans riding his dick so much . Bad meets evil was below average at best . his last good cd was the eminem show . and jay z dickriders his last good cd was the black album really . kanye west was good awhile ago , but he gets gayer and gayer by the day .

    • Anonymous

      American Gangster a classic ???????????????

    • Anonymous

      American Gangster was a classic.

    • seanog

      Correction Hov's last great album was Amercian Gangster, it was damn near consider a classic to critics and hip hop world. I agree people acting Em is still the best since white bread. The Recovery was alright but straight shit compared to SSLP,MMLP,The Eminem Show. Em does not have that spark anymore, and he's trying to hard to prove himself. Back in the day you use the rhyme ridiculously flawlessl with I don't give a fuck attitude. I'm not feeling this serious EM.

  • GFKjunior

    This was an absolutely terrible album.

  • Mario h

    I love it. Its revolutionary. Something new to the table

  • Powerphi

    I was hoping for a "perfect album" along the lines of Dark Twisted Fantasy, and although not perfect, this is still a really good album. To the hell with the haters...4/5

  • 4eva

    jay "had a spark when he started" but imo anything after black album "is just garbage" not hatin so kill dat shyt. im just sayin this nigga flow use to b so nice that if u aint like em u still had to give em props but now. smh its like somebody else said jordan playin for the wizards if u aint got shyt to prove then stay out the booth my nigga i hate effortless flows comin from somebody who can do so much better

    • I TOTALLY

      Fucking agree with you man dick riders need to chill with all their bullshit. This "lazy" flow is just awful it seems like they don't try. NOT giving any money to these niggas they shoud've never gave them money. I liked Frank Ocean though incredible potential in that guy!

  • Barisua Kenneth Ngbor

    A very nice effort(4/5), though i Prefer Hell: The Sequel. And to those nut cases saying BME was just aimless Metaphors, Like The critic on Dj Booth Said----"If you've ever found yourself pouring over the lyrics to a Eminem or Royce song, trying to break down each metaphor and punchline, you'll eat Hell up."

  • Brandon

    Man this album go hard!

  • Gorav Bagga

    Gotta Have It is a hell of a addicting song!

  • Anonymous

    watch the throne wasnt hype them beats is killin this album people dont want to hear songs takin shots at white america simple as that they want there niggas to be smackin bitches and killin a nigga for his crack spot and it keeps niggas exactly where they want them in the trap sittin on dubs they dont want to hear people dedicating songs to a nigga who got shot up by 4 white officers or black men telling other black men to be fathers to there kids or 2 rich black men wanting more black people to become millionares they dont like lines like "LOLOL WHITE AMERICA" or giving props to sister betty or brother malcom or mr king jay was a fuckin dope dealer at a young age who eventually by the grace off god got out the fuckin projects of nyc and after a while he noticed the shit he was doing was wrong and his music started to reflect this and thats when he so called fell off because he not driving threw marcy anymore making crack songs for you to dance to he not talkin about profit he talkin about pain and he a grown married man thats why you get a song like thats my bitch HIS verse was talking about seeing more WOMEN of color being put in better positions in this country yall dont even know black artist had to leave this country in the early 20s and 30s and go to paris to find work ms lena horne was popular in euroupe then the whites wanted her to perform in the U.S THATS why the song is called NIGGAS in PARIS they took it back but on another level they doing them as blacks in paris "I GOT MY NIGGAS IN PARIS AND WE GOING GORILLAS"- "Graduated from the corner Yall can play me For a motherfuckinin fool if you wanna Street smart And Iâ€(TM)m book smart Could have been a chemist Cause I cook smart Only thing that can stop me is me"-"Oh sweet baby Jesus We made it in America"-"Itâ€(TM)s a celebration of black excellence"-"Only spot a few blacks the higher I go Whatâ€(TM)s up to Will Shoutout to O That ainâ€(TM)t enough We gon need a million more Kick in the door Biggie flow Iâ€(TM)m all dressed up with nowhere to go"-"They say my black card bear the mark of the beast I repeat My religion is the beat" ALL quotes from that trash album he just released so keep doing the illuminatis work join a gang and kill eachother "This is something like the Holocaust Millions of our people lost Bow our heads and pray to the lord"

    • Anonymous

      They haven't gotten Jay bars since 94.

    • Anonymous

      People don't get Jay, as always.

    • Azhar

      100% cosign Jay spat genius bars on WTT. "Is Pious pious cause God loves pious Socrates asks, Whose bias do y'all seek? All for Plato, screech I'm out here ballin, I know y'all hear my sneaks Jesus was a carpenter, Yeezy laid beats Hova flow the Holy Ghost, get the hell up out your seats Preach" WTF what's hotter than that right now, oh i forgot People want them talkin bout coke and dope over simplistic soul samples and party athems.... WTT is brilliant

  • Gemstar

    I' m a Jay and a 'Ye fan. This album is just ok to me. Hov's writing was lackluster compared to his work on BP3. I never thought I'd say that Kanye's bars were more entertaining than Jay's, but they are on 90% of the album. Production was not as sick as MBDTF, but good. "That's My Bitch" should've been left off altogether. In a nutshell, I give it a 3.5.

  • dockevoc

    Jay right now = Jordan on the Wizards Even the greats reach the point when it's time to walk away... 3.5

  • Sam

    dude i have followed jay-z since resaonable doubt i have every CD he has ever made and i mean his Whole discography he is one of my fav rappers and i have almost every kanye west cd made.. just because i love both rappers doesnt mean this cd is good i have listened through it over n over trying to convince myself it is good but it is just not. and i dont want to hear the while lecture about smart ppl vs. dumb ppl the rappers that i listen would make every mainstream rapper look dumb so it is not a matter of intelligence the CD was NOT GOOD awful beats half assed lyrics and ill be honest i havent liked kanye ever since the auto tuned 808s and heartbreak but i expect more from JAY ppl are in denial i swear just cuz there heavy hitters doesnt mean this cd isnt awful

    • ???

      you should listen to it a few more time. This album seems to grow on people

    • Sam

      i prob am a little too critical of it but idk i just was waiting soooo long for it to come out and i was excited for it and it wasnt at all what i felt like there capable of but idk

    • buckeyewu

      I couldnt disagree more. I'll give this album credit for having 9 out of 16 good songs. The rest is garbage. 3.5 out of 5 is my rating.

    • ???

      you have gone over the top. The album is decent, the beats are definitely not awful they aree actually pretty good, but the lyrics aint that great. But then again thats your opinion.....

  • Anonymous

    Good album. Great production.

  • Anonymous

    how you gonna compare a pill poppin rapper to a former hustler

  • Tony Freedom Pledger

    Is it just me or am I missing something this album was nowhere near what is should have been.

    • KillHER

      Yeah keep it in your mind, guy.

    • anonymous

      id say its a hate it or love thing. Classic hiphop heads might not like it cause its not the typical beats or flows but idk in my mind it will always be a classic.

    • Anonymous

      ''Jay's lyrics way off point.'' That's the funniest thing I've heard in a long ass time. I love these random statements, way better than formed jokes.

    • Allove913

      Album is great. Young heads wont understand it, others will hate, and some will want to hear old Jay and better Ye!Jay lyrics is way off...Man! Yal trippin extra heavy round these parts bruhda!

    • Anonymous

      Agreed, was expecting better. Few really good tracks and imma big Frank Ocean fan. But a few weak tracks, and Jay lyrically is way off point.

  • Anonymous

    "Only spot a few blacks the higher I go What’s up to Will Shoutout to O That ain’t enough We gon need a million more"

  • Anonymous

    "This is something like the Holocaust Millions of our people lost Bow our heads and pray to the lord"

  • NIGGAS IN PARIS

    In the 1920s black American writers, artists, and musicians arrived in Paris and popularized jazz in Parisian nightclubs, a time when Montmartre was known as "the Harlem of Paris." Some notable black American expatriates from the 1920s onward included Josephine Baker, Langston Hughes, and, after World War II, painters Herbert Gentry, Beauford Delaney, and Ed Clark; sculptor Harold Cousins, jazz musicians Charlie Parker and Dexter Gordon; and writers Richard Wright, James Baldwin and Chester Himes.[2][3] [2][4] In the 1960s a new wave of young black American visual artists chose to leave the U.S. They included Harvey Cropper, Arthur Hardie, Clifford Jackson, Sam Middleton, Earl Miller, Norman Morgan, Larry Potter, Mildred Thompson and Walter Williams. In the words of artist David C. Driskell, "They chose a form of cultural exile over expatriation, hoping for a better day to come about in the land of their birth." All settled in Europe.

  • Honest Truth

    I'm going to discuss this without biasness. I'm both a huge Jay and Eminem fan. They are the greatest emcees ever, I mean that shit too. Don't bring up that overrated "Ether" shit or that Em outshined Jay on Renegade. If you mention any of that please remove Nas's dick out your mouth. Shady use to rap and sounded too much like Jay or Nas in the begining of his career(he admitted in a interview), that was his major criticism on "Infinite" in 97. So he had to find his own style and voice, so he switched up started rapping bizarre shit that was witty ,comical and shocking with a high-pitch voice ,too distance himself from Jay's and Nas style. Now it's kind of clear that Em was a fan of Jay in 1996. In 2002 on the Eminem Show he flat out lets you know who's his favorite emcees of all-time on the song "Till I Collapse" he raps " I got a list/ this is the order that my list is in/ it goes 1.Reggie(Redman),2. Jay-Z,3. Tupac,4. Biggie,5. Andre 3000,6. Nas,7.then him. So you have to ask yourself why is Jay's so high up on his favorite emcees list. Eminem thinks that Hov is better than Nas,Biggie,Tupac,Andre 3000 and hisself, the only who he thinks he's not better than is Redman. To go off topic for a minute it's ironic that one of Royce and Em's top favorite MC is Jay-Z! This is absolute true fact too. Jay has mutual respect for Em as a lyricist and an Mc, which two are not the same. A lyricist has superior cadence ,flow,vocab,rhyme scheme,metaphors,similes,punchlines and delievery. The MC is all about crowd control being energetic,charismatic and loved by massive numbers of the crowd or demographics. It has more to do with reaction of the people to that person , not what the person's actually saying. Jay and Em are definitely in the category of ultimate emcees because they embody both the elements of a lyricist and MC. That's why they both have two decades of long-standing success in hip hop because they retained those two elements till this day. If artist wants to just live off their music they need these two components to last.Now back to the matter hand, which we discussed in the begining. Eminem is not that high on Jay-Z's favorite emcees of all time list, so that means that Eminem is a bigger fan of Jay than Jay is of him. I'm just keeping it real ya'll,don't get mad. I'm fans of both so this is no slant. A staunch eminem fan might say , " Jay's overrated why does Eminem think he's ill? Well there's a reason why two of the rawest lyricist Royce and Em would be in awe of Jay's lyrics. Peep this rhyme off American Gangster on self-title song. "Now they want to do the boy/like mike in his prime/billie jean/the goddamn boy ain't mine"- Amercian Gangster Upon first listen it doesn't seem much to the average listener but to a genius like Eminem it would be a lot deeper, which it is. There are three meanings to that bars , I'm not sure of third one just yet but I know two. First he's talking about a girl most likely a groupie false accusing him of fathering her child.Secondly his speaking of crooked cops planting drugs on him accusing him of a crime he's did not commit, which was the case for Michael Jackson and the first child molestation case during the early 90's when MJ was still in his prime. Jay has been spitting double and even triple entendres since the begining of his career, which is similar to the style of Lupe Fiasco who was a student of lyricism of Jay-Z and Nas. A fan favorite Allow me to reintroduce myself my name is HOV!/H-to-the-O-V/ I use to move snowflakes by the ozzs/I guess even back then/ you can quote me/C.E.O of the R.O.C./ - Public Service Announcement Now let's try to break this meaning down according to Jay in "Decoded"(excellent book) he's of course speaking of selling rock cocaine by the ounces. The second meaning of that line refers to him selling Rocafella the company. Which explains why Jay was aloof to Dame in Fade to Black concert. Jay and Dame had a lot of issues and differences between each other like Dame trying to takeover Rocafella with Harlem artists(Dipset) and Jay feeling slighted and disrespected for Dame doing it on the sneak tip. That's another story for another forum. Point is to you Royce and Em fans when you diss or call Jay names , your dissing one of their top favorite emcees. So in actuality your dissing Eminem and Royce when you diss Jay ,because that's who they believe can rap circles around majority of the rap world. Again this is no biasness this actual facts. You can listen to Royce's songs or his interviews by himself or with slaughterhouse, to find this fact out. As far as lyricism I think Em and Jay are equal personally. As of today I would give Jay the slight edge because he's still very sharp with it, whereas Em lost little bit of that excitement and spark he use to have during the Marshal Mathers Lp, The Eminem Show LP and even Encore. Love him or hate him Hov is your favorite lyricist's favorite lyricist( underground and mainstream)all of Slaughterhouse look up to him as one of the best lyricist to ever touch the mic and your favorite MC's favorite MC This for those who say Jay-Z's overrated

    • False

      @Honest Truth: Did u listen to the Em on SSLP ? That Em will tear Jay-z apart any day !

    • Anonymous

      Nobody talking about Nas, that dude is way too whack to be mentioned with Eminem and Jay.

    • Honest Truth

      Eminem better than Jay-Z in his prime?? No your delusional with that shit man. You need to go back and listen to "Graveyard Niggas","I Gotta Reach The Top" in 94 or early 90's Big Daddy Kane featuring a young Hov. Big L even said he started fucking with Jay because he was underground battle monster destroying dudes left and right(DMX is debatable). Are you really trying to say that the Em could fuck with the Reasonable Doubt Jay? what the fuck are you smoking on? Comparing Nas with Em? Em would tear Nas's ass apart that dude's wordplay fell off hard since Stillmatic. Em's catalog is not fucking with Jay's catalog point blank period. I'm a fan Em and believe he's up there with greats. You ask any true hip hop head who's better between Em and Jay overall and most likely they'll say Jay. Know one is as an impactful figure in hip hop than Jay is, because niggas still follow the blueprint he came in the game with till this day. Just for the record "Takeover" was better battle track than "Ether". Ether was just personal insults,jokes,and some facts. The Takeover was stone-cold hard facts, that was confirmed by Mc Serch and Large Professor. Mc Serch put Nas on and Large Professor was responsible for making "Illmatic" a classic. I'm going to stop arguing though,because I don't expect you Nas stans,Jay haters and Em dickriders to give Hov his rightfully due respect.

    • Anonymous

      I like Jay-Z's music much more, but LMAO him @ having better rhymes than Eminem. Not even close, you deluisonal fan. The Eminem from today has better rhymes than Jay in his prime, his rhymes have always been pretty simple. Eminem chooses way complexer words, he rhymes things that Jay wouldn't even dare to think of. Eminem stacks mulitsyllabic rhyme upon multisyllabic rhyme upon multisyllabic rhyme. The only rappers who can fuck with him there are Elzhi, Diabolic, Percee P and Vakill.

    • Ng

      @Honest Truth: Only MMLP and TES can fuck with Hov ????? SSLP is Em's best material. MMLP and TES(Still classics though) are more commercially successfully. Jay has only 2 strong albums(arguably 3 though), Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint and maybe....Black album. The rest are all like Ehh. American Gangster was pretty nice too. Both Em and Jay had failed to deliver since 2003(TES and Black Album respectively), so WTF you talking about ?? Em got better lyrics, Multi-syllabic Rhymes and wordplay than jay. Em can rhyme 50words that don't rhyme in real life. The only debate btw them is Flow(Em flows faster, so that makes him more technical than Jay). Em is also a better story teller ! Em Vs Nas is a better Comparism. Jay is overrated as fuck !!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Honest Truth

      @DJ I strongly diagree that Em has a better flow overall. Now them Em today could not fuck with the early 90's-mid 90's Jay,because his rhyme style was super technical with a lot internal rhyming schemes and unbelievable wordplay and double entendres and amazing multi-syllabical lyrics with a variety of flows. He was also mad hungry with something to prove back then. Only the MMLP and The Eminem Show Eminem can fuck with Hov from 98-03. Infinite came out in 97 not 95 or 96 , what the fuck is wrong with you guys getting those simple facts wrong. Read Em's discography "Infinite was released in Nov 96. Reasonable Doubt was released in June 96. Jay's first single "In My Lifetime" was released in 95. Still Infinite did not come out before RD

    • DJ

      @Honest Truth: Stop saying Em sounded like Jay on Infinite. The world world knows Em sounded like Nas ans Az. Listen to infinite again and figure out who he sounds like....CLEARLY NAS !!!!! Secondly, Inifinte was Recorded btw 1995–1996 and released November 12, 1996. How can he sound like Jay when Jay's debut was 1996 ? SLIM SHADY EP was released 1997 not infinite !. Personally, i think Em got a better flow than Jay, Personally !

    • Anonymous

      His storytelling is amazing, I already said that. His concept tracks are good, too. But I'm not talking about influence, discography and shit here. I'd rate Killah Priest higher if it comes to those other things. The Offering > anything Nas did since Stillmatic.

    • Honest Truth

      @comachonvargas What???Nas was around before Jay??? You should of did your research before you stated that shit. Nas is obviously before Em,but not Jay homie.Jay's been the rap scene since the late 80's and early 90's dude, have you ever heard of the "Originators" with him and Jaz-O. Have you ever heard about "Hawaian Sophie" Jaz-O ft. Jay-Z in 1989? Look it up on youtube. Jay was feature on the Original Favors track "Can I Get Open" in 1993. Jay also beat LL Cool J and Big Daddy Kane in a battle in the early 90's. According to Big Daddy Kane Jay's flow and lyricism was more deadly and untouchable back in the late 80's early 90's. He dropped his first single "I Can't Get with That" in 94 followed by "In My Lifetime" in 1995. 1994 was the year that "Illmatic" and "Ready to Die" debuted. Jay's been in the game for over 20 years dude. He had already previous years of experience in the game before he debuted his first studio album Reasonable Doubt in 96. Make sure next time you come more accurate with your facts. Em's first LP Infinite in 97, drew influences from Nas,AZ and Jay-Z works.

    • comachonvargas

      Nas has mediocre rhymes and flow? Nas horribly overrated? Jay and Em light years ahead of Nas? Jay/Em light years ahead of him? I know this is a Jay/Em suckfest but come on... what about storytelling? Innovative concept tracks? Diversity of subject matter? INFLUENCE on other MCs? Discography? Vocabulary? Longevity? You can easily argue that Nas takes it over Jay/Em in any of those categories... and you forget that Nas is the RAPPERS RAPPER... he was around before Jay/Em and influenced both of them... both those guys would put Nas in their top 10 if not top five as would countless other emcees [see Kanye, Busta, Jada, Face, RZA, J Electronica etc.] Nas isn't for everybody but you can't act like Jay and Em are infallible MCs while Nas is some overrated has-been who isn't fit to be mentioned in the same breadth... get off Jays nuts especially cause he hasn't dropped heat since the Black Album

    • Anonymous

      FINALLY some people with sense here. Eminem and Jay are both the greatest, but I'd give Jay the slight edge over him. What Jay does is just too incredible. He had the best flow ever on The Black Album, how he adpated his voice perfectly to every single beat there was out of this world. But what makes this all the better, is that we all have the same views about Nas, he is FUCKING overrated. I have nothing against Nas, but as an MC people tend to have this inflated view of him, most likely based solely on Illmatic. Like you said, Eminem and Jay-Z are worlds above him in EVERY aspect of rapping. He could never reach them in complexity, metaphors, wordplay or flow. He is, in my honest opinion, complete average outside of his storytelling and emotions. I've always seen the Eastcoast Pac in him, nice at conveying his emotions through music, but nothing more than average, if you see the whole thing.

    • Honest Truth

      @ Honest Truth 2 WRONG!!! The critics said that Eminem sounded like Nas or AZ, but when Eminem was interviewed about is infinte era he said that the other underground rappers or peers said he sounded too much like Nas or Jay-Z.@ Anonymous: Infinite came out in 97 not 95 dude, get your facts straight first. He even says it in the song, how could you've miss that? Here's the proof of the statement In 1997, he released an album, Infinite, through a local company called FBT Productions; it was met with derision from the local hip-hop community. “I was getting a lot of feedback saying I sounded like Nas or Jay-Z,” he admitted(http://mignon.blog.com/tag/eminem/) . Go back and listen to "Till I Collaspe" again he said "I got a list/here's the "order"/that my list is in, see key word order look up the lyrics for yourself. He didn't name them at random, see "order" he said. He did not say no particular order which is the opposite of order. As an Em fan you should know that Redman is Em's favorite MC of all time. So why would he says he's Redman first then Jay second? Think about that for a minute. The funny thing is we're pretty much on the same page about Nas. He's one of best storytellers though. Jay and Em are lyrically lightyears head of him. It's like Pac crushed Biggie and Bad Boy, and biggie took jabs at him here and there. Even though it seemed Pac was victorious over BIG, did that make Tupac a better lyricist than Biggie? I don't believe so. Em is a better wordsmith than Jay I'll give you that ,but Jay definitely has the better flow. Jay can flow over any beat and make the shit hotter than it sounds. Em doesn't always flow over beats well.

    • Anonymous

      Lyricism falls under MC...ing. There are two types of Mc's: First, The Lyrical/Story telling MC(Nas, Tupac) and Secondly, The Battling/Free-styling MC(Eminem, Jay-z). The Reason why i personally think Em and Jay are both better compared to Nas, is because they fall under both(Lyricism and Battling). Besides Lyrics, Nas has a pretty much mediocre flow, rhymes and wordplay. If you listen to a song like "One Mic", The story telling was Legendary, but if you look beyond that, u will see that the rhymes and flow were are mediocre.....Well, that's by the way ! Truest words on this site. Nas is such a mediocre rapper, he might be able to tell stories with emotions, but that's it. He's terribly overrated.

    • Anonymous

      compare em to gage or necro jay-z nah two different worlds

    • Honest Truth 2

      @Honest Truth: Am also a fan of both, but more of Em. First your review/honest truth clearly shows you like Jay More(Even though u claim u are a huge fan of both). Am going to counter almost everything u claim up there.....Lets get the ball rolling... 1. Lyricism falls under MC...ing. There are two types of Mc's: First, The Lyrical/Story telling MC(Nas, Tupac) and Secondly, The Battling/Free-styling MC(Eminem, Jay-z). The Reason why i personally think Em and Jay are both better compared to Nas, is because they fall under both(Lyricism and Battling). Besides Lyrics, Nas has a pretty much mediocre flow, rhymes and wordplay. If you listen to a song like "One Mic", The story telling was Legendary, but if you look beyond that, u will see that the rhymes and flow were are mediocre.....Well, that's by the way ! 2. He sounded like Nas, not Jay on infinite. Infinite was was his debut album(Not official though), Jay step up 1996 with Reasonable doubt. From the beginning of his professional recording career, when no major label gave him a record deal, Jay-Z, Damon Dash, and Kareem Biggs created Roc-A-Fella Records as their own independent label in 1995. After striking a deal with Priority to distribute his material, Jay-Z released his 1996 debut album Reasonable Doubt. Em was highly influenced by Master Ace, LL cool J, Beastie Boys, Big Daddy Kane, Newcleus and Ice-T. Eminem was initially signed to FBT Productions in 1992, run by brothers Jeff and Mark Bass Infinite received mixed critical reviews and was met with derision from within the local hip-hop community, earning Eminem unfavorable accusations of copying other rappers' styles, particularly Nas and AZ. Em admitted saying--"Obviously, I was young and influenced by other artists, and I got a lot of feedback saying that I sounded like Nas and AZ. 'Infinite' was me trying to figure out how I wanted my rap style to be, how I wanted to sound on the mic and present myself". You can call Em respect for Jay "Mutal". 3. "Eminem Show he flat out lets you know who's his favorite emcees of all-time on the song "Till I Collapse" he raps " I got a list/ this is the order that my list is in/ it goes 1.Reggie(Redman),2. Jay-Z,3. Tupac,4. Biggie,5. Andre 3000,6. Nas,7.then him"--------Like you said, do u really think Redman is better than Pac ? Andre 3000 ahead of Nas ? Jay-z ahead of BIG ?? Come on. Yes, Em is applauding some of Hip Hop's great, but is see that list no arranged in a particular order. I see is as Rhymes. Like, arrange it this way, Nas, Andree 3000, Big, Pac, Jay, reggie----It doesn't rhyme well, right ? Try it. Btw, Jay Also ranks Em high on his list. 4."Eminem is a bigger fan of Jay than Jay is of him"-----How sure are u about that ? How come Em never had plans on working with Jay, but Jay had plans on working with Em. Jay was so desperate to feature "ONLY" Em on Blueprint that Em had to eliminate Royce from the track. Em produced on black album, Jay flew all the way from new York to Detroit to seek a Joint concert with him, huh ? Like i said b4, its just Mutual respect. Em is the only rapper challenging Jay right now, and Jay is the only rapper challenging Em right now too, Both of them knows that !....Its Mutual Respect for each other !!! 5. As far as Lyricism, Em and Jay are NEVER in the same league. Don't get me wrong, Jay is a great lyricist, but compared to Em....? come on. Even Weak Em albums like Relapse are Lyrically blessed ! Ok, lets do it like this.. Lyricism------Em Flow------Debatable Rhymes/wordplay-----Clear Em Double/triple entendres----Clearly Jay. "As of today I would give Jay the slight edge because he's still very sharp with it, whereas Em lost little bit of that excitement and spark he use to have during the Marshal Mathers Lp, The Eminem Show LP and even Encore. "----------What about Blueprint 3 ? Kingdom Come ? Come on, dude. You clearly Like jay more.... Even Hip hop greats like Rakim called Em the Mohammed Ali of Rap Music. Scarface said he's scared to go on a track with Em. Master Ace call Em the best Rapper of this era. Game said, Em can't be fucked with. Above all, i see u a bit biased, because u are using two different measuring sticks to measure. One for Jay-z(Giving him all the benefits of Doubt), the other one for Em, constantly looking for faults). !!! Sorry for typos, was typing fast !

    • Anonymous

      Wrong....He sounded like Nas, not Jay. Infinite was 1995, Jay step up 1996 ! Get ur facts right. !

    • Anonymous

      Co-Sign every single word of this. Jay is, without a doubt, the most skilled rapper to ever pick up a mic. He's mastered every aspect of rapping and took it to a whole new level. Incredible success, biggest impact, best discography and most skills. Nobody's touching him. A showcase of his amazing abilites: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joHCfll2AGI

  • BME VS The Throne

    Lyrically hell the sequel is way better. Production wise WTT is way better. I prefer hell the sequel because i rather have amazing lyricism over subpar beats then amazing beats with weak lyrics. Also bad meets evil is a better group then The throne. They have way better chemistry and in all honesty the form royce is in he would beat kanye hands down, he we probably even kill jay z. Don't get me worng I'm not saying he's a better rapper then Jay in general. But Jay z was weak on the album, kanye had the better of him countless times. BTW to the person who said em will fade away like 50, REALLY? then why is he the most popular rapper and one of the most popular music stars in the world.

    • Anonymous

      Both focused on other things and both were great and succeeded at what they wanted to do.

    • Law

      @the dude who said BME was aimless metaphors. Read between the lines, those metaphors are not aimless......Of course it will be to you, because all u understand is swag, gucci, Lv, bracadi...etc !

    • Anonymous

      "Em is washed up "---typos...sorry !

    • Anonymous

      @Anonymous Am is washed up ? So is jay you stupid hating faggot. Aimless metaphors ???? Sure ur IQ is below 50. Fool !

    • Anonymous

      hey hey now, how could bme be more lyrical when they didn't really rap about anything, just aimless metaphors. If you're gonna skim through album of washed up eminem don't pretend to have such an inciteful comment about the current state of his music

    • Anonymous

      you cant even compare this to bme just because its 2 known rappers on the same album totally different subjects

    • Lex

      Well the thing about BME being more lyrical than WTT is that the focus is suppose to be just about lyrics on BME. Royce even said it in a interview, that him and Em didn't want to make an album, they wanted to box it out with words. WTT is more on production,because it's all about changing the musical landscape of mainstream hip hop. So basing off what they intended the albums to do, their both great albums. They both deliever well on what they intended. I must say that Jay lyrically massacred the tracks "Excellence", "Welcome To The Jungle,"Illest Motherfucker alive" second verse on "Who Gon Stop Me" crazy ! "Why I Love You So" another crazy one. For the most part Jay's very relaxed on this album, but there are times he comes out the mode and let's you know why he's King Hov and can't be fucked with.

  • BME VS The Throne

    Lyrically: Hell: The Sequel by FAR. Production Value: Watch The Throne by FAR. Star Power: Watch The Throne (b/c of Jay & Kanye combo) Chemistry: Subjective, but in my opinion, Bad Meets Evil. I see no chemistry btw Ye and Jay !

  • Hip Hop Is Dead !

    So, Ye and Jay decided to dedicate 80% of a whole record to Bragging ! I guess they both set a new standard for hip hop bragging. Why won't hip hop die when all rappers do is brag, huh ? God, I miss Illmatic, Slim Shady Lp and All Eyez on Me. HIP HOP IS OFFICIALLY DEAD !!!!!!!

    • Anonymous

      Listen to the album again because the album really less about bragging and more about motivation for success and addressing issues that niggas in powerful positions like them are scared.That's what I get from, since I actually pay attention to Jay's rhymes he's not a simple rhymer there's a reason why he's consider one of the greats. So the fuck what if they brag that's one of the true essence of hip hop, I'm flier than you. People act like their braggadocio is going to incite riots. Just enjoy the music or don't. Stop being too much of a damn critic. I swear if Jay was to dig about his nose their would have thousands of mixed reviews on discussion board for it.

  • kyle

    dope album the only bad thin about it is. i was jamin this n when that track -who gone stop me- came thru damn i whent crazy about it. only to find the switch that fuckin beat n the last two minutes. that was stupid but i guees they gonna make a shit load of money would it beeen way better to run with that firts beat.

  • CC

    Terrible album! Someone paid this reviewer! The emperors wear no clothes! One star!

    • Anonymous

      @DRE u look young but they(media/Government) try to pin that illuminati shyt on Jay & Ye to discredit them & turn the people against them because they're trying to teach blacks how to be more knowledgable & pprosperous.

    • SO

      @CC Some rapper probably paid you to give this album the lowest rating. I bet you on somebody's payroll, hating ass

    • Andre Cooper

      You see it is people like you that give hip hop a bad name...You know the album was good and at worst it would get 3starz!!! Be real you are just hating and trying to lower the score because it is jay and ye...But trust and believe the numbers will be in soon and your 1star rating will be a after thought..... good day hater

  • Anonymous

    R.E.D=Riding Everybodys Dick august 23

  • Anonymous

    Jay is the greatest to EVER do it BY FAR. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joHCfll2AGI This nigga is rap's greatest lyrical wizard. Nobody comes close to what he's able to think of. These entendres are incredible beyond belief. Off.the.top. In.a.freestyle. After.a.3.year.retirement.

  • Le'Shawn Taylor

    Great album, lyrical wise & production wise.

  • IJUSTFARTEDONYOURNEWALBUM

    really this album sucks . Techno beats and lame rhymes . maybe 1 or 2 ok songs thats it Overrated

    • Anonymous

      It'd called moving the culture forward. It's 2011 something has to evolve or change in hip hop, before some other kind of music dethrones hip hop.

  • Anonymous

    Posted6 minutes ago Anonymous: 1. "No beef with Jay" "one blood" 2. "Got a hook from Faith, no verse from Jay I guess on Westside Story he thought I spit in his face" "Westside Story" 3. "Dre told me he ain't doin "Detox," this his only run Ma$e comin back, and Hovi done" "No more fun and games" 4 "It's "Me & My Girlfriend" like 2Pac and them Jay-Z and Beyonce, or Bobby and Whitney "Special" 5. "Rap critics politickin, wanna know the outcome "Ready to Die" "Reasonable Doubt" and "Doggystyle" in one "Dreams" 6. "Make the club R.O.C. without Timberland boots "Higher" 7."I was gassed up, Murder Inc., Roc-A-Fella passed up" 8. "It took me a little while but I am now understandin Jay ****ed up in the first round when he picked olowankandi" "Memp Bleek Iz" 9. "Oh, that boy colder than Hova unless he sober" "300 Bars" 10. "And ain't nobody tryin to take Beyonce from Jay But I know a ***** named Superhead he ****ed back in the day" Wouldnt Get Far" 11."Took you to award shows, there go Jay right there" "One Night" 12."Bangin "The Black Album," track #1 she like that Jay ****, that's her favorite'' "Around The World" 13. "Behind the back to Nas he alley oop to Jigga" "Why U hate The Game" 14. "Niqqas show me love in the hood like i was HOV down Flushing" "State Yo Name" 15. "The day Jay retire I'ma park next to the throne, in a Maybach on gold wires, yeah "Hands On The Pump" 16. "Cuz he know Jay-Z departed And these other rap labels know don't feed they artists Talkin blueprint **** you got three garages Gettin money off Roc like little E and carter" 17. "And 2Pac was in jail the day you called to hit him up I wouldn't be outside 40/40 bumpin 'Jigga What'" 18."I'm the king, and you better respect it All I need is Beyonce, and a Roc-a-fella necklace" 19. "I'm the golden boy, and I'm making Hova noise Got the whole world clapping, just like the Nolia Boys" 20. "I told 'em bomp, slow down baby Got to get this **** firm like Foxy, NaS and AZ She said '**** you,pay me So I left her in AZ That's what I get for letting her listen to my Jay-Z" 21. "*****, I'm number one, motherfukka bar none Who else kick knowlegde outside of Hova and the God Son" 22. "U gon make me/ make Jay lose his cool" "Feel It In The Air" 23. "Too much West coast dikc lickn, remember Jay-Z? "1-800-Homicide" 24. "No Em, no Dre, I'm the hottest since Jay" "Get Up" 25. "Cause I'm the man behind the Roc like Kanye West" 26."A pimp like 50, the niqqa to leave you broke ma 6 in the mornin, you stretchin on the sofa singin ain't no niqqa like Foxy Brown and Hova" "Compton to Fillmoe" 27. "I'm runnin the ROC, not Jay, Dame Dash of Hoffa" "Jackin 4 Beats" 28. "Who the fuk holdin me? i was just waitin 'til HOVA leave wit my eyes on the thrown that belong to me" "Round Here Freestyle" 29. "yeah its me and young cass til hov come back" "Aim Ya Gunz" 30. "Throw Jay-z in the pot, mix em with ren or O.J on the rocks, mix em with gin whatchu got? the westcoast riding again" "82 Days" 31. "i found out it was a hard knock life without asking Jay" "Duck Down" 32. "Fake king of new york, U aint Jay z" "soundscan" 33. "Me, Em and 50 racin' this rap siht is basic I followed that Jay siht" "We Aint" 34. "The kings comin', no I'm not Jay-Z" "One Blood Remix" 35. "Not the rap martyr, or the second rap Carter" "for My gangstaz" 36. "niqqa I'm about a dollar, what the fuk is 50 Cent? When Jay said it, I didn't know what it meant" "100 Bars" 37. "used to push that rock like Jay Hov" "Red Bandana" 38. "then this marcy-project niqqa came and stole the crown" "Im a soldier" 39. "But Kanye and Hova killed it without a doubt" "Just a lil Bit freestyle" 40. "Who had the hottest chick in the game, wearin they chain Mr. H to the Izzo, Nas and Hurricane" "too Much" 41. " cuz ain't nobody movin units but Jay, pimp Juice and Us" - Down 4 my *****s freestyle 43. "I used to have visions of retiring like Jigga" "Du Rags 44. "He in a vest with a hoodrat from Marcy with a tattoo of Jay-Z name on her chest" "Its So Hard" 45. "Im classic like Detox & Blueprint 2" "Get Yo Money" 46."Yall thought it was over when Hova retired" "Get Yo Money" 47. "Make the world feel like the niqqas before 2pac Shakur Christopher Wallace & Shawn Corey" "Dont Push Me..." 48. "... He aint teach Jigga how to rhyme" "Juice freestyle" 49. "Im going to same place Jay-z went Fredrico & Pico" "100 Bars" 50. "Hov retired but Compton still pushin Roc" "On & On" 51. "I came to see chicks shake they ass like Beyonce so let me be Hov 4 a min." 52. "All I gotta do is hit her wit a Jay-Z line like u deserve to be my sunshine" 53. "Biggie Smalls is the illest so is pac Jay retired i wonder if nas gon drop" "Unbeliveable freestyle" 54. "i kno they sayin y u gotta mention Jay" "State Yo Name" 55. "First Jay & Beyonce then Nas & Kelis" "A Week Ago Part 2" 56."u 36 And U Still Rappin Uhh, Im 26 And Homie So Iz Da Dubz" "one Blood" 57."So I reconciled my differences like he did with Jigga" Game on 'Hustlers' 58. "Im ready to die Without a reasonable doubt" "The Documentary" 59. "In '99 i studied +The Chronic+ inside out, a Doggystyle for breakfast, lunch was Reasonable Doubt " "im A Soldier freestyle" 60. "Shouldnt been influenced by Calvin Broadus, Nasir Jones & Shawn Corey" "Pain In My Life Remix" 61. Yo Jay what it do niqqa, i done rocked enough fellas,to be u niqqa,i got the 40/40,they my 2 jigga's" Tell me that whack fuck ain't on Jay's dick.I HAD TO PASS THIS ON shit is crazy props

  • TheThroneLegacy

    MUSICALLY not LYRICALLY (RD is hands down Jay's most lyrically solid release. I'd say MBDTF is Ye's finest lyrically. Read between the lines.) Jay 1)The Blueprint [2001] (5/5) 2)The Black Album [2003] (5/5) 3)Reasonable Doubt [1996] (5/5) 4)Watch The Throne w/ Kanye West [2011] (5/5) 5)American Gangster [2007] (4.5/5) 6)Vol. 2 [1998] (4.5/5) 7)The Dynasty [2000] (4.5/5) 8)The Blueprint 3 [2009] (4/5) 9)The Blueprint 2 [2002] (4/5) 10)Kingdom Come [2006] (4/5) 11)Vol. 3 [1999] (3.5/5) 12)Vol. 1 [1997] (3.5/5) 13)Best Of Both Worlds w/ R. Kelly [2002] (3/5) 14)Streets Is Watchin' Soundtrack [1998] (2.5/5) 15)Unfinished Bisiness w/ R. Kelly [2004](2/5) Ye 1)My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy [2010] (5/5) 2)Late Registration [2005] (5/5) 3)The College Dropout [2004] (5/5) 4)Watch The Throne w/ Jay-Z [2011] (5/5) 5)Graduation [2007] (4.5/5) 6)808's and Heartbreak [2008] (4/5)

    • Correction

      1)My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy [2010] (5/5) 2)Late Registration [2005] (5/5) 3)Graduation [2007] (5/5) 4)The College Dropout [2004] (5/5) 5)Watch The Throne w/ Jay-Z [2011] (4.5/5) 6)808's and Heartbreak [2008] (4/5)

    • BC

      YO GRADUATION IS KANYE'S BEST PIECE OF WORK LYRICALLY AND BEAT WISE. YOUR LIST WITH JAY IS OFF TOO U LOSE CREDITABILITY WITH ME. RD

    • Anonymous

      You Fool.....MBDTF is Lyrical ????????????????? MBDTF is all Production. !!

  • Anonymous

    "damn yeezy they all gotta be dimes? well adam gave up a rib so mine better be prime"

  • Anonymous

    "they dont want nobody colored out of the lines"

  • Anonymous

    "'whole world aiming at a nigga head beacause im the illest motherfucker aliveeee"

  • Anonymous

    the youth dont want to hear songs like murder to excellence because they in the streets trying to shoot each other and new day talking about father hood yeah right they want to party to coke stories and drive by shootings and becoming crack kings

    • TheThrone

      Exactly that's why they can't wait for that Red to drop because it's composite is of just that of what you stated. It's not cool to put down the guns and to stay in your kid's life and raise them right. All the want hear is about coke,hoes,guns,money,whips and jewelry. Jay and Kanye do talk about luxury life in the album, but not to the excess that critics claim. I mean Jay mentions he has a black card, that means he has a high credit score rating, which anyone can recieve with excellent credit.

  • rightcoast

    "sins of a father make your life 10x harder" REAL TALK

  • Anonymous

    LOLOLOL white america

  • HipHop

    King Hov, I'm exactly what the fuck you think 11 in a row, Bill Russell rings Michael Jordan swag, yall think Michael Jordan bad Nigga I got 5 more rings than Michael Jordan had Elvis has left the building now I'm on the Beatles ass Niggas hear Watch The Throne, yeah it's like the Beatles back Bey Bey my Yoko Ono, Rih Rih complete my family Imagine how that's goin look front row at the Grammys Fuck your awards like Eddie Murphy's couch The Roc is in the building we should have stayed in the house I don't even know what we doing here Seems to me a complete waste of gear Just a fuckin' waste of time, a complete waste of bottles Niggas fashion is weak, they be wastin' all the models Got the oversized Rollie let me show thee how to do it When I say it then you see, it ain't only in the music Basquiats, Warhols serving as my muses My house like a museum so I see 'em when I'm peeing Usually you have this much taste you European That's the end of that way of thinking, nigga never again Know when to leave when the heat is coming I learned that This is where DeNiro would be if he ain't turn back Fuck Sosa, this Hova this is real life This is what the ending of Scarface should feel like No matter how hard I try, I can't hate on a nigga who's still spitting like this 20 years into his career. Amazing.

    • Anonymous

      @comachonvargas:thats not what he was saying he was saying thos are just characters that people try to emulate like they a real thats why he said "FUCK SOSA THIS IS REAL LIFE"

    • comachonvargas

      HipHop What is so great about that? Hov is better than Mike Jordan, Elvis, the Beatles combined? Hov has models, rollies, bottles, gear? Hov has Basquiats? LOL... oh shit it's EUROJAY... maybe he should hang it up and become an art appraiser... Nothing impressive whatsoever... the great hovito has done this verse 100 times before seriously... subject matter never changes... and people stay convinced that Jay is dropping 'deep double entendres that go right over peoples heads'... I ain't buyin it no sir By the way... the Heat/DeNiro line is weak... NAS did that like 10 years ago and made it sound nice... 'Know how to leave anything in 30 seconds when you feel the heat coming and flee with the murder weapon'... check life is mine mobb deep

    • Anonymous

      you know the album is serious when the bonus tracks are the highlite of the album ILLEST MOTHERFUCKERS ALIVE

  • Tha Playa President

    Album of da year!!!! Fuck da jealous hataz.

  • Smooth Dude

    The average user rating about matches the editor's rating,because it rounds off to 4. You have to consider that there were more votes casted for this album review than any of the others. The other albums might have higher user ratings,but they have a lot lesser votes, think about it. The first people to vote are the staunch hip hop heads and this is not really that much of an conventional hip hop album,it's more of alternative hip hop. Jay and Kanye are doing something right, they have everybody and their grandma talking wether it's positive or negative. I mean this forum has 1285 posts,damn! I would of gave it an 4.5 instead though. That's just my opinion on the album.

  • HONEST REVIEW

    Watch the Throne is more notable for its general lack of impact. Neither as compulsively neurotic as Eminem, as languidly characterful as Snoop Dogg, nor as furiously articulate as Nas, the raps here represent a pretty mediocre, cardboard kind of throne, truth be told. Hype and arrogance created Watch the Throne and stifled the creative revelation it could have been. It would be nice if that could serve as a kind of lesson for the hip hop world, but somehow that seems unlikely. The music itself isn't really the issue. It's the conceit, the fact that even though Kanye and Jay-Z truthfully are nailing what pop can sound like, they use their royal stature not to communicate fresh ideas but pander to their subjects because they f*cking can. Nothing can be accomplished if someone doesn't stand up and act as the new gold standard. Kanye West and Jay-Z have proven themselves to be, at the very least, kings of just that notion. In many ways, West and Jay-Z are saying something similar on their new album. But their approach is not to shine a spotlight on their community. Instead, they urge listeners to "watch the throne," and gaze in awe on their good fortune. When two legends unite, you expect pure, unfiltered brilliance. Watch The Throne has moments of that. On the whole, this album is a half-hearted victory lap. It's certainly an enjoyable listen, with a few great songs – and at least it actually happened – but with the combined power, money and talent that Carter and West continually brag about, you can't help but feel that Watch the Throne could and should have been better. For all its shortcomings, Watch the Throne is still damn good.......70/100

    • Hacitori

      That was me again.

    • Anonymous

      Bulls Eye: Are you a record exec? I don't think crossover appeal is the only thing that makes something a landmark record. What matters to me is what it contributes to the musical form.

    • Bulls Eye

      *those figures for a really long time*

    • Bulls Eye

      Hachitori The Commercial success of MMLP was extraordinary. Hip Hop never saw those figures for i really long time. MMLP made hip hop widely accepted(Inter-racially), It was the first Hip Hop album(By a solo artist) to be nominated for the album of the year. Without MMLP, other classics like Blueprint, Get Rich Or Die Trying, Eminem Show won't have the commercial success they all had. MMLP was damn a 00's landmark Hip Hop Record.

    • Hachitori

      @ hip hop lives. Are you kidding me? What book did you get your list from? Those are obviously important albums, but come on! The only reason you give for positioning MMLP as a landmark album is that it was commercially sucessful? Then you should include Hammer and Vanilla Ice too.And why the focus on lyricism? Rap is not just about rappping. Off the top of my head here are five albums that were easily as important, on all of the levels you mention and then some. Public Enemy: It Takes a Nation of Millions... brought political rap to the masses. Fantastic production, powerfull lyricism by Chuck. That album still gives me shivers. Ice Cube: Amerikkka's Most Wanted. Cube leaves NWA and parntners with the bomb squad. West meets East and minds were blown. Wu Tang Clan: Enter The Wu... (could also include first solo releases by Rae, Meth and GZA.) I shouldn't have to explain this one. Outkast: Aquemini. Just on annother level. Didn't know what to make of it when I first heard it, It was just so refreshingly different. Dr. Dre the Chronic. Producer is king.

    • Hip Hop Lives !

      One of the best arguments i ever read. Folks should try to understand the watch the throne is no the landmark record its suppose to be. WTT is just like every other record that get released every tuesday. Jay and Ye were just addressing old and worn out topics that has been talked about repeatedly, and repeatedly. If far is in know, There are only three LANDMARK RAP CLASSICS(Sure, there are other classics, but these albums made a huge impact and virtually everyone felt the impact) 1. Paid In Full(1987)------Set a new and higher standard of lyricism for hip hop 2. Illmatic(1994)----Nas displayed more pure poetic style than anyone since Rakim but unlike Eighties rappers, Nas was responding to a city where "crews without guns are goners. 3. Marshall Matters Lp-----Every so often, an album comes along that practically eats the world. Everywhere you go, it's there. It seems like everyone you know owns a copy. The MMLP turned turn hip-hop into the most commercially lucrative form of music in the world. You'd have to be about 7 years old to not remember how massive this album was. It broke all records for first-week sales by a solo artist

  • Dave

    Saying WTT is for 25 and above is one of the dummiest thing i ever heard ! Am laughing serious now...Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

  • Dave

    If there is any Game changer album in 2011, it GREATEST STORY NEVER TOLD by saigon, But Jay and YE are richer and more exposed, so, they get all the attention. Who knows Saigon ? His album sold only 12k in the first week, WTT is heading for 500k. Nothing is new, folks called BP3 a classic as well !

  • Dave

    I wonder why mad Jay-z stans keep saying only smart/25-above will understand WTT. Did they rap in Japanese language or English ??? I mean, most of the lines are very simply, straight forward and easy to understand(Especially Kanye's Lines). Compare Saigon's "Preacher" to WTT's "No church in the wild". They are pretty much addressing the same religion issue, but compare saigon's own and see which is more informative !!!. WTT IS HELL NO GAME CHANGER OR CLASSIC !!!! 3.5/5

  • swissah

    Sorry, but this album is not for the dumb kids and adults.

    • swissah

      What makes it so special is that it's a joint album by rappers with the highest standing in music period. That's what's so special Fool!!!!

    • hiphopisalive

      @ Honest Review That really is not honest review , it's a biased review and more of a jealous and blinded review based on Jay-Z and Kanye's weatlh and status. If you would glue your ears to the stereo and listen in closer to what they were saying you'll notice that this album is less braggadocio than expected. Even the bragging was couched in the manner of motivation than I got this and nananaabooboo you don't. There is a lot of depth to this album and solid message of the ills of fame such in "Welcome to The Jungle" which Jay's second verse went over a majority of critics and fans heads. He's not talking about himself in that song at all, his mentioning all those who fell victim because of the life of fame and success artists like 2pac,Eminem,Pimp C,Michael Jackson,DMX etc. He's rapping about it in first person.The life they're in is wild like a jungle, get it. In "Why I love you" has jewels for any one who wants his kind of success, which he really states that if you want to fly eagles, you can't hang with the turkeys. Meaning some people are just detrimental to your sanity and goals in life, so you have to seperate from them to go on. You can tell Jay reads alot of personal-success literature. If you get over Jay's braggadocio, you'll see that Jay is always trying to teach you how to do something. @anonymous who attacked swissah I'll tell you what so special about this is that they're using a large platform to address issues that black communties have serious problems with and that's black success and religion.@Nobody knows who the hell saigon is, so how could he make an impact? The reason it's more impactful coming from Jay and Kanye because they have more starpower behind their name. Jeffery Daniels premiered the moonmalk before MJ, but MJ popularized when he did on motown special in 1982 because he had a bigger name worldwide and that's the truth.As far as religion,in the black community is religious strict for the most part, we are very pious and bias towards anybody who's not christian and definitely towards the notion of atheists. Trust I know because my father is a baptist preacher and I hold back from expressing myself about religion being a tool for social control. Black success is also a problem ,because the black community have a crabs in a barrel attitude to those succeed beyond the pale worst than any race and I'm black myself. In the song "Excellence" Jay raps " What's up to Will/Shoutout to O/That ain't enough/we going need a million moe/kick in doe(slang for door)/Biggie flow/I'm all dressed up/with no where to go. Which he's saying I want the brothers to have more success, but the stage I'm in my life right now I hardly spot them. I see a lot of comments about the lyrics being mediocre, but people have to realize that Jay mainly spits double entendre, so most of his lyrics have multiple meanings behind them. So people who say they fully understand Jay's rhymes(like myself), might be misinterpreting what he actually means. Jay's rhymes are like jigsaw puzzles. Now to the people who say Em and Royce album is way better.The main thing they keep reinterating is that lyrically it's better. Which is probably true, but in the same light the say that the production is questionable, so then it can't be that great of an album. Let's look past all this who's hot or not talk on this forums,the foundation of what birth the golden age of hip hop is visible. That's the beautiful thing about this. You have a choice of different content and musical styles. That's what hip in the 80's and early-mid 90's was all about. That's why Royce stated on MTV that WTT and BME is "Great for Hip Hop".

    • Anonymous

      swissah: U are dumb Yourself !

    • Anonymous

      @swissah what makes WTT so special ??? Didi they speak/rap in french, Latin or English ???? Fool !!!

  • MBTM

    jay z is such a fucking sell out. blueprint 3 was the nail in the coffin, this nigga would drop a collabo album with beiber if it kept him hot. i never seen a nigga hold on like this. writing articles for bullshit rolling stone, a publication that has tried to destroy hip hop on several occasions. not only is jay begging for acceptance, his music is shit now. dumb bitch nigga. self praise is no praise at all. a king doesnt crown himself, a king is crowned by the people, WATCH THE THRONE SUCKS

    • TheThrone

      It means everything actually because the votes on the vibe are based off the opinions of the next generation. They believed that Jay-Z and Eminem were the only two who could warant the crown. Don't tell me that don't mean shit,because the point of hip hop is to pass it down in the hands of the new generation. Just how Krs-One,Big Daddy Kane,Rakim,Kool G Rap,Public Enemy and Slick Rick passed it down to my generation the early-mid 90's.

    • Anonymous

      How d fuck is Beyonce top chick in the game??? STFU is u don't know anything about Mainstream music. Seems u never heard of Lady Gaga, Adele, Katy Perry, even Rihanna is hotter than beyonce now !

    • Anonymous

      @TheThrone That MTV GOAT Mc is bullshit. Vibe Mag voted Eminem their GOAT too, but doesn't mean anything !

    • TheThrone

      Hold onto what exactly? Yes the people did crown him as a king. Go watch MTV's 'Greatest Emcees of All Time" think tank panel on youtube. He was voted the "Greatest Mc of All Time" and that title quite befits him. Jay has been killing the game from 96-2011. He's had the longest run in hip hop far as relevancy , which is why he's extremely hated. Gets tons of hate from other artists and their fans or stans. The fact that he's too successful, married to the top chick in the game and has reached icon status, warants him the most ridiculous amount of hate. If anybody brings up Nas, I'll set the record straight for you because "Ether" is overrated. I don't give fuck what you think about neither, because your not going to change my stance with anything you say. Jay-Z is 42 years old and has evolve through the years ,which is what artists are suppose to do for longevity. These other rappers are the real sell-outs because they're portraying a life they don't live anymore. That's 50 is struggling to get attention now.

  • wtt

    dumb people wont appreciate this album!

    • Anonymous

      game who? GAME OVERRRRRR

    • Anonymous

      What makes this even more amazing (if this is possible) is that he did this shit after a 3 year retirement. The king demanding his throne.

    • Anonymous

      ''Deny it to a king? Then happy low, lie down! Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown"

    • Anonymous

      I believe it without a doubt. It takes a GENIUS to think of shit like this: ''Hand gettin the mic Forgettin all I ever knew, convenient amnesia I suggest you call my lawyer, I know the procedure Lock my body, can't trap my mind; easily, explains why we adapt to crime I'd rather die enormous than live dormant, that's how we on it.'' ''I never asked for nothin' I don't demand of myself Honesty, loyalty, friends and then wealth Death before dishonor and I tell you what else I tighten my belt 'fore I beg for help Foolish pride is what held me together through the years I wasn't felt which is why I ain't never played myself I just play the hand I'm dealt, I can't say I've never knelt Before God and asked for better cards at times to no avail But I never sat back feelin sorry for myself If you don't give me heaven I'll raise hell'' "I went to school, got good grades, could behave when I wanted, But I had demons deep inside that would raise when confronted'' ''I’ve got demons in my past so I’ve got daughters on the way, If the prophecy is correct then the child should have to pay, For the sins of the father so I barter my tomorrows against my yesterday’s In hopes that she’ll be okay'' ''I heard motherfuckers saying they made Hov Made Hov say, "Ok so, make another Hov" '' ''This ain't no tall order, this nothing to me Difficult takes a day, impossible takes a week.'' ''Had to hustle, my back to the wall, ashy knuckles Pockets filled with a lot of lint, not a cent Gotta vent, lot of innocent of lives lost on the project bench'' ''I Jack, I Rob, I sin Awww man, I'm Jackie Robinson Except when I run base, I dodge the pen'' "I went to school, got good grades, could behave when I wanted, But I had demons deep inside that would raise when confronted'' ''Done forgot more than you ever learned, what you don't know will make your home a permanent urn'' ''Yeah, Roc-A-Fella We invite you to something epic, you know? Well, we hustle out of a sense of hopelessness, sort of a desperation Through that desperation, we become addicted Sort of like the fiends we accustomed to serving But we feel we have nothing to lose, so we offer you, well We offer our lives, right, what do you bring to the table?'' ''Now I'm so enlightened I might glow in the dark I been up in the office you might know him as Clark But, just when you thought the whole world fell apart I - take off the blazer loosen up the tie Step inside the booth Superman is alive'' ''He never learned so in turn I'm kidnapping his baby's mother My hand around her collar, feeding her cheese She said the taste of dollars was shitty so I fed her fifties About his whereabouts I wasn't convinced I kept feeding her money 'til her shit started to make sense'' ''Geah.. anywhere there's oppression The drug profession Flourishes like beverages Refreshing, ahhh! sweet taste of sin Everything I seen, made me everything I am Bad drug dealer or victim, I beg What came first? Moving chickens or the egg? This I why I be so fresh I'm trying to beat life cause I can't cheat death'' ''But niggas never learn until they End up in the news clip The irony of selling drugs Is sort of like you using it Guess it's two sides to what Substance abuse is Can't stop, won't stop Addicted to this new shit Brand new convertibles I'm so roofless Front row fight night See how big my tube is Fuck HD nigga See how clear my view is?'' ''Follow the flow, look They say a midget standin on the giant's shoulder can see much further than the giant.. (the giant..) So I got the WHOLE rap world on my shoulder they tryin to see further than I am.. (than I am..) And I have been tryin to be patient with they preoccupation with David and Goliath.. (Goliath..) But sooner or later, that patience gonna run it's course and I'm forced to be a tyrant.. (be a tyrant..) But bein tyrant, comin through your environment'' ''Yeah, look I'm so far ahead of my time, I'm bout to start another life Look behind you, I'm bout to pass you twice Back to the future and gotta slow up for the present I'm fast, niggaz can't get past my past How they propose to deal with my perfect present? When I unwrap "The Gift & the Curse" in one session Ain't no livin person can test him Only two restin in heaven can be mentioned in the same breath as him'' ''Well after I'm gone, they'll honor history in the makin, Pistol Pete leave competition shakin without missin the beat Chasin the hi-hat all over the track The snare is scared of the air in here, BOOM! And plus I get paper dog, don't let me forget'' ''Time's most influential was impressive Especially since I wasn't in the artist's section'' ''Hov got flow though he's no Big and Pac but he's close How I'm supposed to win they got me fighting ghosts'' ''Same sword they KNIGHT you they gon' Good NIGHT you with'' ''Please may these words be recorded/to serve as testimony that I saw it all before it, came to fruition, sort of a premonition, uncontrollable hustler's ambition" ''Ah, ah, the more successful, the more stressful The more and more I transform to Gordan Gekko In the race to a billion, got my face to the ceiling Got my knees on the floor, please Lord forgive him Has he lost his religion, is the greed gonna get him? He's having heaven on earth, will his wings still fit him?'' And people talking about Nas, he could NEVER come up with somethling like this. Jay makes Nas look like Gucci Mane. Not even near to this level. This is amazing beyond belief. I'm sure, Jay is, without a doubt, the greatest to ever pick up a mic. Flow, delivery, Insight, Wordplay, social awerness, Ryhmes. Everything is untouchable. Dude's throw away verses are better than most rapper's best. Unblievable success, Biggest impact and SKILLS = GOAT. The GOAT can't be overrated. Don't believe me? Listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joHCfll2AGI To sum it up: ''See Martin, see Malcolm You see Biggie, see Pac, see success and it's outcome See Jesus, see Judas See Ceasar, see Brutus See success is like suicide Suicide, it's a suicide If you succeed prepare to be crucified''

    • TheThrone

      They said in his biography that he tested on a 12th grade level in the sixth grade. Also that he was reading books on college level at 10 years old! That man is an Einstein. You can hear the haters now ,that ain't true blablablablablablaaaaaaaaaa

    • Anonymous

      Jay has the highest Rap IQ ever, if you take the time to really decode his lyrics, your mind will be blown away. Seriosuly, the stuff he says is out of this world in terms of complexity.

    • TheThrone

      It takes high-intelligence to discern what Jay is actually saying, because he spits lines with multiple meanings. Trust you might think you easily understand what he's saying all the time,but then you read decoded.

    • Bulls Eye

      @wtt: Just like saying dumb people won't appreciate blueprint 3. U sound dumb urself !!.

    • TheThrone

      Sad but it's true, I've seen excellent review of the album by this smart college kid on youtube. He's review was the best I've seen yet.

  • K.Smith

    It's all politixs dx nows that this album really deserves a 2 in a half, but since it says jay-z and kanye it gets a 4..stop giving passes for names

    • Playa

      agree with K Smith oh and to the guy above me, 4 is not an average rating out of love and hate dumbass

    • STFU

      Looks like they weren't to far off. 210/425 people gave it a perfect 5. The user rating is 3.67, which rounds up to 4. Average out the hate and the love for this album and I think a 4 is a perfect score for this site. Now STFU you self centered little prick.

    • blackmild

      No dx recognize it's a masterpiece meant for music lovers in general not just hip hop.

  • anonymous

    like it or not you gotta respect that they did something different than whats out know

  • janet

    Unstoppable rappers/ Classic album

  • wassup

    Jay-Z might have to put out another decoded, because these critics are getting the meaning behind his lyrics all wrong.

  • Shhh

    Honestly man "Bad Meets Evil" isn't even on the radar unless you're a kid. And a lot of that had to do with Em doing COD commercials. Not saying that's bad but come on son, it's corny music.

  • Classic

    It's not about being under 25, it's about STUPID people and educated people. I would of loved this album when I was 25. I grew up on P.E., Rakim, KRS One, Dela Soul, Tribe. So did Jay and Kanye, so we relate. 5 stars easy.

    • TheThrone

      Your right this not the first time these subjects have been touched upon. This is though the first time that music icons at this stature in hip hop have touched upon it. They have a much larger platform and a audience that extends all around the world, so when they speak it's more influential. For instance the boy that Jay dedicated "Murder to Excellence" to in the begining of the song was the topic of many news channels all over America giving it high praises. They just had a big rally in New York for DJ Henry(Pace University student slain) with the lyrics of "Murder to Excellence" printed on one-side of the ballon and Watch The Throne on the otherside of it. Go see it for yourself on MTV.com. Now the imagine another rapper saying the same thing, it wouldn't have any impact because it wouldn't reach white America. That's just real talk.

    • Bulls Eye

      Lol, people are replying there own comments ! Hahahahahahahahaha ! Even 5 yrs old kids like Saigon's new album. Yes, its not about age, but make music people can easily relate to. WTT is all swag, swag, swag. Racism has been addressed centuries ago, Rappers has been addressing Black on Black violence since the early 90's. There is nothing new on WTT

    • Mikethenegro

      You are totally correct it's not about age, it's about degree in intelligence. This honestly should of recieve five stars in my opinion also.

  • Mikethenegro

    To be honest I could care less if the average user rating was 1.45 on here. This album is a pure intriguing and provocative painting in music form. Kanye to me is a pure music genius and so is Jay.It's ironic that they speak of high-art multiple times in this album , because this is exactly what this is sonically. You have to have an acquire taste for it. Most people who have artistic foresight will see where they trying to go with this album. Not downplaying those who do not take a liking to this album. They are well within their rights to, because it comes down to freedom of opinion. Me personally I love this album the more I listen to it. It's not one of those albums that instantly hits you , you really have to digest it for awhile. The marketing of this album matches the sound of it , because of it's dissidence to traditonal hip hop albums. It has a sought of rebellion feel to it towards normalcy in hip hop, that's why I also love it so much and so many other people. Hip hop heads look for that hardcore lyrical massacare tracks with 808 beat drums with alot of heavy bass that bangs, this album takes a much milder approach to that. Which explains the average user rating not being high and some of the disappointments on this forum. Then there are those who hate on Jay and Kanye, especially Jay because they feel he's way over the age to be on top in hip hop and blocking shine of the their new favorites, others think he's too wealthy of a nigga. The black community in particular has a pyshcological problem with ultra-black success. That's who Jay addresses in "Excellence" very intelligently I might say, saying just because he's super successful doesn't mean he's in the illuminati. He had the persistence ,ambition and the faith that he was going to make it big. He states clearly that you can do the same thing with your life. Now the people who love this album are those who are from the second golden age of hip hop where everything was about newness and originality and high intellectuals who can dissect what Jay's hidden meanings in his lyrics. The others who love this album are people who grew up on all kinds of music from rock,pop,rap,electro,jazz and oldies etc. Who don't only have hip hop on their ipods, but a diverse variety of music genres. Hov and Kanye have been very musically unversial since the begining of their careers. I remember in a interview with foxy brown on rap city in 96, Jay was asked what kind of music he listens to and Jay responded Seal and Prince. The host was tooken back and couldn't believe what he heard from this street hustler/gangster rapper. This was back in his Reasonable Doubt era. Back to the matter at hand though, I remember watching the mini-doc of the making of the album before it was taken off and I said to myself some people are not going to feel this ablum, because they are going down a direction a lot of people won't like or expect. So they put out this work of art on August 8th and sure nuff just as I expected it got immediate love/hate reaction from fans and others. The critics for the most part gave them high praises and rave reviews. The reaction I believe tilted more onto the positive side though. The media and fans put expectations of this collab album too high, so much so that when it drop instead of just enjoying and listening to the music, they became music critics instead. Then you have the jealous and angry competitors(rappers of course) who are pissed,because all they are asked about is what they thought of Watch The Throne. So I'm sure these negative comments and low ratings on this forum also have something to do with dirty rap politics. Just think about it, it'll make sense. Either way with negative and positive reactions it's still clear that Jay and Kanye are running the game once again. I mean almost every media outlet reviewed this album from news articles to rollingstone magazine to allhiphop.com. The put this album out for you to love or hate, so just choose one and leave it at that.

    • Life Accordin' To DUTCH

      "THEY DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS..it doesnt matter what it means..its provocative..it gets the people going"hahhaha..non WTT fans r stupid and dont even know what they missin..u cant make this shit up follow @ALLaboutDUTCH

  • Anonymous

    come on hiphopdx 4 stars really? 2.5 at best. royce n ems album detroyed these two clowns, even gucci n wakas album is better than this n they some of the worst rappers out!

  • Anonymous

    It's a good album, and an important contribution to rap. Only a listener who comes to it with preconceived notions of what rap should be could question this. Whether or not it's a great/classic/5 star etc. album is debatable, but it's sad to see how many people want to close their ears and put rap music in a box.

  • gbladdr

    Not a classic, but a brilliant album! I can understand that it might not be for everyone, as it definitely has a different sound compared your typical hip-hop album. But fuck the Eminem stans and close-minded haters down-rating and hating on the album. If you weren't interested in the album in the first place, then why are you checking up on it here?! Sonically: 10/10 Lyrics: 8/10

  • TBone

    Wack song.... worst beat anjing!!!!

  • Anonymous

    What's this 25 and above bullshit ?????? Most of u saying 25 and above are actually below 25. I wonder what's so different on Watch the throne that a 20-25yr old can't understand.

  • David Kenneth Zacheius Brown

    there is so much innovation here, from a purely technical standpoint, it's easy understand why jay calls Kanye a genius, i can easily see old school people not digging this, it has a hip pop, experimental piece kind of vibe 2 it

  • Anonymous

    wack pussy music... worst album jay-z has every been apart of... wtf kanye

    • Anonymous

      actuall those joints jigga did with r.kelly were huff, they were the worst. WTT is a pretty good album

    • Sourgrapes

      Read more on your spare time my brother. Then after your done reading the novels, come back to give us your new review. This album are for universal music lovers not strictly hip hop heads.

  • Nico 3

    It's different. Whether that's good or bad is up to one's own interpretation.

  • Rio

    Watch the Throne...what more can I say? It's the ROC!!!

  • Domino

    This is the bottom line. Royce Da 5'9 and Em , Jay and Kanye have highlighted the problem with today's music. Which is a lack of substance,lack of lyricism, lack of originality and lack of real courage.Both albums should be praised for what they intended to do BME (lyricism) WTT(innovativeness). They are both needed in this crucial time in hip hop. So let's stop putting these two great projects against each other, and talk about the real issue which is today's rap music sucksass.

  • Rcw

    Listened a couple of times, it grown a lil bit. Can't get past Kanye's rapping. He's a horrible rapper period, makes good music though. BME is WAY better than this Em & Royce sound 1000 times better together. 1-Em 2-PAC 3-Nas 4-Big 5-Rakim

    • hod_guy

      eminem is washed up, he only sell because he's white, he's been done since the eminem show. HE ISN'T FUNNY, WITTY, SADISTIC OR SARCASTIC ANY MORE. And right now Kanye makes better music than him. To me this is the 1st Kanye album that I would give 4.5/5 to, I'd still rank it 4/5

    • TJ

      David Kenneth Zacheius Brown I think ur IQ is below 50....Sure !

    • Anonymous

      Hahahahaha....Jay produces his albums ????? lol. I thought lose yourself and stan were classics...lol. Marketing ????? Where do u live ? under a rock ? The whole world knows Ye=jay's record sales is not up to Em's record sales. Critically?????? BET best rapper of the 21 century---Em Rolling stone greatest artist----Em #82, Jay #88 Billboard artist of the decade---Em #1, Jay #10

    • nothanigga

      lol kanye superior to em lyrically.....good one.

    • David Kenneth Zacheius Brown

      a 1000x better, what an intellectual and well reasoned argument, dumb ass, anyone with an iq over 50 knows jay and ye are superior in lyrics, production, marketing, and critically... eminem could never produce an entire album by himself or make a record called jesus walks and have it turn in2 a classic

  • italkmusic

    Takes a few listens- but this album is for the most part incredible. Allow yourself to really take everything in. 5 stars

  • Life Accordin To Dutch

    AND WHATS UP WITH NIGGAS CALLIN EACH OTHER FAGGOTS..WHEREtheyDOthatAT

    • Anonymous

      after wayne got a pass for kissin baby and a former C.O. who lied about it can become a drug kingpin anything goes LMAO

  • Life Accordin To Dutch

    @the lame nigga who said Eminem got hits..im talkin recent lame..fuc u talkin bout..did u really say Lose Yourself".."stan"..u killed yourself..them songs dont get played anywhere..and they a thousand yrs old..in the same breath say what Jay hasnt done..bitch u on a Jay post talkin abt the most anticipated album of the yr feat Jay..dummie..u cant argue with fools..there were no debates abt Eminem last what 4 albums..because nobody plays tht shit..u put that shit on and watch everybody leave the room...and that other dude sound dumass fuc talkin abt Kanye production bein good a cpl yrs ago..he jsut dropped a certified classic how many months ago..LIKE THESE NIGZ SAID ON THIS "CLASSIC IN THE STREETS ALBUM".."wasn't i a good king..or was it too much of a good thing"..be lame if u want or if it makes u feel smarter...who plays that bad meets evil shit..nobody in Chicago..u should do a straw poll..its Eminem thirsty white fanbase keepin him alive and blk dudes who dont want to say Jay was the best to ever do it(and i was a die hard BIGGIE fan..while he was alive)..THIS ISNT SOME SHIT I READ OR HEARD ABT..I BEEN IN THIS SHIT..IM A CERTIFIED HIPHOP HISTORIAN FUCKBOY..

    • Anonymous

      Life Accordin To Dutch You are a faggot for real... Loseyourself= Longest running #1 hip hop single year. #160 on rolling stones greatest songs of all times(No Entry for jay). Loseyourself is still getting remixes till now(Even gospel remix). Stan= You already know that. Sooner or later, the word stan will be added in the dictionary for people like u who continue kissing ass. Encore>>>>>Blueprint 2 Relapse>>>>>Kingdom come Recovery>>>>>Blueprint 3 HTS>>>>>>WTT Who plays BME ???? How come it selling??? Try to be coherent at least. i know u hate Em, but bring up real facts. Chicago what ??? Who gives a flying fuck about chicago. Keep the Em hatred to ur stinking ass. Am black, all my friends are black and we all prefer Em to jay..The white bullshit is just an excuse. How come obama was voted President of America ????? How come Tiger woods(Am black) dominating golf(A predominately white sports)???? Micheal jordan, lebron james..etc etc. keep ur stinking hate ass off Eminem, u foolish medieval post won't stop him from selling records. You know what ?? Stab yourself with a knife....Die u idiot !

  • Dan

    This album gets five stars in my book. Don't care about the user rating. This site must be overran by kids anyway.

    • Dan

      Seriously the snap back hat from the late 80's to early 90's. Chuck D use to rock snap backs all the time in Public Enemy videos. Early fresh prince episodes does any one remember the spray painted snap backs. Tight shirts and fitted shirts were from the 80's and tight and fitted jean were from the 80's. These kids have no sense of hip hop history.

    • jerz3000

      Lol ur probly right. Some young cat I kno tried to kick the same shit to me. Jay was rockin Snap Backs in some of his 1st videos. The trend just happened to come back around.

    • Anonymous

      more likely kids.i read a post where they said why he wearing a snapback hat he trying to be young in the otis video i had to laugh because them hats are old schoool but the kid probably thought it was something new

    • jerz3000

      Either that or bitter old fans from a bygone era

  • Laphelle

    this is the dopest album ive heard in a lonnnng time. Its going to make everybody else go back to the drawing board which is what hip hop needs. They pretty much just torn down whatever box everybody wanted to put them in and i love it!!! hahahaaaa

  • Sel

    Sonically bold, but lyrically weak. I mean, I just listened to "Hell-The Sequel" bye Eminem and Royce 5'9 on repeat then popped "Watch The Throne" in. It just doesn't compare on the actual lyrical level. Jay and Kanye came into this like they were kings or the world, they forgot that if you are on top someone is always gunning for you. Em and Royce sound hungry on their CD, Royce is trying to prove himself and Em is still trying to distance himself from the "Relapse" disaster. Their hunger paid off. Kanye and Jay sound literally tired and weary in comparison

    • blessem

      I totally agree Eminem and Jay-Z are tied for Greatest Lyricist of All Time. Jay is the master of double and triple meaning verses. Em is the king of internal rhyme patterns and multis. People confuse their styles and say one's better than the other one, but really they're equal they just specialize in different areas.

    • Jarrett David Grimes

      You have such a close-minded view of lyricism. Eminem is one of the great lyricist of our time, but so is Jay-Z. Em is a master of wordplay, similies, and the multisyllabic rhyme scheme. He owns in that arena, but Jay-Z is the UNDISPUTED king of flow and the double entendra. Kanye may not be as gifted a MC as either but he writes better songs than them BOTH. There are so many different ways to be "lyrical" from storytelling (Nas, Slick Rick) to puchlines (Lil Wayne, Cassidy, Big L) to just str8 up saying real shit (2pac, T.I., Scarface). Prince is lyrical. Stevie is lyrical. Lennon was lyrical. Open up your minds, for goodness sake!!! Smh...

    • blessem

      Em is a lyrical monster so of course it would be better lyrical. They are competing with each other on Bad Meets Evil not just rapping back and forth. So of course they're going to sound hungry. Royce said the best their main agenda on the album was being lyrical. He said we did a mixtape not really an album, but that Jay-Z & Kanye wanted to make an gamechanging album. They are lryical on WTT too so what the fuck are ya'll talking about?

    • mat r

      THANK YOU!! i agree "bad meets evil" is much better ,"watch the throne" is trying to hard (no hating but i would recomend "hell the sequel" instead)

  • Sel

    Great Album. Standout tracks, in my opinion, are: Made in America, Niggas In paris, Otis, Murder to Excellence, H-A-M, and That's my B**ch. Like Slant critic said, this is the Born This Way(Lady Gaga) of rap music(So much hype, but falls short of expectations). Sure, many tracks are absolutely amazing and unique, but others are just plainly generic rap. You could definitely say that this is Luxury Rap, too. 3.5/5

  • EMINEM

    MY NEXT SOLO ALBUM IS CALLED L3GEND !!! ME AND ROYCE ARE ALSO PUTTING OUT HEAVEN THE PREQUEL AND WITH D 12 THAT WILL ONLY HAPPEN IN 2015 !!!

  • Peter

    Two musical geniuses delivered an album that's not your ordinary everyday hiphop album. I understand if people are like "what the hell is this". And I have to admit I was one of those people, but this album has to grow on you. 'Ye and Hov always produced some next level tunes and they did so with this album. If you want regular, ignorant, easy to digest tunes, go and pick up something by Waka.

    • Anonymous

      youknowwhatitis You are wrong. Rollingstone gave this an above average rating. Dj booth is an ass kisser. As long as an album promoted well, it will sell, FACTS !!!