Marlon Wayans On Tupac: "He Wasn't Real Gangster, But He Acted Gangster"

"I think he would have matured at this point to be the leader that I think this generation could use in a lot of ways," Marlon Wayans says of Tupac.

Celebrating the twentieth anniversary of the 1994 film Above The Rim, Marlon Wayans shared stories about seeing both The Notorious B.I.G. and Tupac Shakur less than an hour before each was shot and killed. Appearing on ESPN’s Numbers Never Lie series hosted by Michael Smith and Jemele Hill, Wayans explained working alongside Tupac in the Jeff Pollack directed movie.

“Me and Pac had a great relationship,” Wayans said. “You know what was great about Pac? Everybody think he was this thug, this gangster. First of all, he was a performance high school kid. Pac was very smart and he was very silly. He was a clown. He wasn’t real gangster but he acted gangster. He was a method actor, so he went a little too far. He was like, ‘Oh, I’ll shoot you!’ Pow! He’d really shoot you. He’d overcommit. I could tell he wasn’t a gangster because he had the softest hands. No gangster has hands [like that], I call him a Palmolive thug. He’d be like, ‘Come here, you want some of this,’ and then he’d give you this gentle hand. It was soft. Then he had these long eyelashes looking like [Mr.] Snuffleupagus, just like, ‘You don’t want none of this. I’m thug!’

Asked what he thinks Tupac might have gone on to accomplish had his life not been cut short, Wayans explained feeling like the rapper was at a turning-point in his life and career around the time of his murder.

“I think he would have matured at this point to be the leader that I think this generation could use in a lot of ways because he was that,” Wayans said, apparently touching on the emcee’s gangster image. “I think Pac was about to come to his come-to-Jesus moment where he actually became the philanthropist and the teacher that he honestly could have and should have been. He was an amazing dude. He was a well-rounded dude. He’s missed. And he was silly. We had a lot of fun. We laughed a lot.”

Marlon Wayans Describes Spending Time With Tupac & Biggie On The Night Of Their Respective Deaths

Near the end of his appearance, Wayans went on to share a story about seeing both Biggie and Tupac separately on the night of their respective deaths.

“I saw Biggie and Pac perform together,” Wayans said. “But before that. Okay, so Pac, the night he died, I saw him. Me and Omar Epps who I went to school with...I was with them. I was with my best friends. So we saw 'Pac standing outside of the Luxor. So we went on over to say what’s up and Suge [Knight] was there. Omar was like, ‘Yo I’m gonna go say what’s up.’ I was like, ‘Hey Pac!’ from far away. I was like, ‘Mmhmm.’ He had all these thugs with him. So we went over, shook his hand, said, ‘What’s up,’ gave him love. We got in a cab, went off. Pac looked at us, and then he went in the car that he wound up getting shot.

“Biggie, I saw at the museum at that party,” he continued. “I went to that party. I saw him 20 minutes before. He goes, ‘Yo, I love your family. I love what ya’ll do man. Yo, you heard the shoutout I gave you in the song?’ I was like, ‘Yeah, yeah, yeah!’ So, I got to meet him, 20 minutes later, he got shot.

“If you see this shot, there’s a famous shot of Tupac and Biggie," he added. "It’s on Vibe magazine. In the corner—it’s at club Glam Slam downtown L.A.—I’m in the corner just twisting my hair looking at both of them. It was crazy because I saw both of them right before they got shot.”  

183 Comments

  • Dazza

    Incidentally, who killed 2Pac? Well, no one knows, but chances are he could`ve been black!!!

  • Sensaye Sixkiller

    Pac isn't revered because he was a 'gangster' or because even because he was a great MC. Pac is admired for his passion, honesty, and his courage to fight back. He fought for truth and honor, and he sincerely loved people, you could tell. Even other great MCs like Nas, Biggie, and Jay-Z seemed small next to Pac, because he had the heart of a giant, and wasn't afraid to be human. "Couldn't quit, the bullshit made me represent/ hit the bar and played the star everywhere I want/ but in my heart I felt alone out here on my own/ I close my eyes and picture home". - Pac -

  • Mew

    In the words of Pac "Let me say for the record, I am not a gangster and never have been. I'm not the thief who grabs your purse. I'm not the guy who jacks your car. I'm not down with the people who steal and hurt others. I'm just a brother who fights back." - Tupac

  • Mew

    Pac never claimed to be a gangster, so this is news?

    • Anonymous

      "Let me say for the record, I am not a gangster and never have been. I'm not the thief who grabs your purse. I'm not the guy who jacks your car. I'm not down with the people who steal and hurt others. I'm just a brother who fights back." - Tupac

    • JoeG

      You must've have never listened to Pac. Ever.

  • Anonymous

    Look pac my fav rapper but yall dont have to be sensitive to what others say about pac, its their opinion, everyone is entitled to one. I dont care who it is if shit is funny im laughin. yall need to use less emotion and embrace ur sense of humor.

  • 2pacForever

    2PAC is and always will be the greatest rapper of all time by far Lyrical Content - 2PAC beats any other rapper, his music was so meaningful, the themes of most of Tupac's songs are the violence and hardship in inner cities, racism, other social problems - PAC WINS Voice - 2PAC had the greatest voice is rap, it was perfect, he can be angry and agressive in Hit Em Up and Changes, then soft in Dear Mama. MTV voted him 09 of the best voices in music ever, michael jackson was 10th - PAC was ahead of every other rapper Lyrical Skill - Yeah pac didnt have the greatest metaphors, it's easy to have skillful lyrics when your rapping about cars, sex, money, sex , cars, PAC told stories and rapped about real important topics, and he didnt try to have skillful lyrics, also the greatest rapper for lyrical skill is Nas. and 2pac beats him on every other catogary Greatest Lyricist - Pac haands down, other than his lyrics having great meaning, PAC made 400 songs in one year, he writ and recorded the songs in The Don Kiluminati in 7 days, people will great metaphors in there lyrics take YEARS TO MAKE THEIR 'CLASSIC' Albums fukin idiots Greatest Person - PAC

  • Anonymous

    The fuck does Damon's untalented brother knows about thugs?

    • BOY

      The Last Nail to Tupac's coffin. He has a sextape out. Which is SHOCKING. In it he is seen receiving ORAL SEX from a girl but thats NOT the shocking part. In the room other men are seen to be watching him get oral and they seem to be ENJOYING the show. Not only that but another man is seen to be caressing Pac's back while he receives ORAL SEX. SUSPECT BEHAVIOR!!! Tupac was a HOMO-THUG! And with that said I hope Pac is burning in hell along with all the other gayboy faggots burning there too. Long Live Weezy!

  • DVSB

    He wasn't bangin but he wasn't no punk neither. He many of ya'll would jump out your car when they see a black dude being hemmed up and get in a shootout? He shot two off duty Atlanta police officers for someone he didn't even know!!! Beat the case cuz those officers had guns from a previous case on them. Ya'll dumb ass dudes need to zip yo lips for someone else does it for you.

    • Anonymous

      just like your hero, you speak with emotion lmfao. Pac stans catch feelings, they wanna be hard cause they listen to Pac, but show how bytch made they really are when you speak the truth on the studio gangsta, defending their hero's honor, when even Pac would tell you creepy obsessive dikkriders to get off his dikk. the nikka lied about Biggie setting him, a FACT you assholes have to live with (can't say the same for pac LOL get mad fakkits) I guess the truth hurts that your hero wasn't as hard as he pretended to be. nikkas get mad over a nikka who didn't know they exist (Ya'll nikkas is gay) lmao tell me what are you going to do about it? that's what I thought, kick rocks (get some from his crackhead mother), nikka.

  • Clay Aiken

    Richard Simmons wasn't real homo, but he acted homo.

  • tupac stans mad?

    tupac clearly claimed he was a thug and he would kill. Listen to hit em up its proof tupac acted all hard when he was not about that life. Tupac was a product of the media propeganda which ended up getting him killed. This guy sent death threats to the whole east coast and some of you fuck niggas have the nerve of saying tupac never claimed to be gangster???. lol tupac was fake just like the rest of these rappers theres very vey real rappers.

    • yallsomeclowns

      thats why pac got killed? since when has their been any evidence of proof that he actually died? name something outside of your government ran media bullshit

    • Anonymous

      You're quick to judge. Lots of east coast cats were in the same building at the same time when he got shot up. And what? You expect him to not be mad like he was?

    • Anonymous

      Anyone that uses the term 'stan' automatically loses all credibility.

  • HHFAN

    2Pac's Deathrow shit was wack. I got 2pacalypse now from my neighbor in Atlanta that owned the Gold Club in Atlanta when I was a kid. He was real and talking about real shit for his first three albums. Then he got on Death Row and started his West Side thug gimmick. Pac wasn't dressing in Versace and that shit until Big did it. Before that it was all Karl Kani jean suits and T's. Plus his Deathrow shit was all repetitive Thug Life shit. No more Keep Ya Head Up, Dear Mama or all that other great shit he wrote.

    • Slick

      Big and bad boy copied my Style 95 "2pac"

    • matt

      no its a known fact tupac was wearing vesace long before big.pac was cool with versace,theres a pic of pac with donatella vesace,they gave him clothes for free,coz they wanted him to wear thier clothes.

    • matt

      pac started the thug life thing in 94,way before he signed to death row.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, his first two albums were before the fame and the bullshit, very political releases. The third he was mad cuz ignorant people were accusing him of being a rapist. The fourth was post-prison, and his first record on the Death Row Records label, and the least genuine. "Life Goes On" is a gem no doubt though. Thing is though people labeled him a "gangster rapper" before he ever did that himself, and Suge might be responsible for that as he was a showman, and 2Pac owed him for bailing him out. Suge is sketch, I don't like that cat.

    • anon

      yap! Strictly 4 my NIGGAZ is my fav Tupac album. talking about real shit and trying uplift black folks. Then BOOM, this cat gets robbed, goes to jail, signs with DRow....does a 360 and is this killa thug nigga. RIP. Unfortunately we still got plastic rappers straight faking the funk but some of u niggas buying it. O well, I can only control me. #suckafree #hiphopbaby

  • Anonymous

    "White society puts labels on all Black males thats what Tupac taught us and we could give less than a fuck about what you label us because the fact remains that we are going to get this money, give back to our communities and open up revenue streams for young Black males to succeed and have careers and laugh in your pink face in the process." (^) they missed this one or else they would have reacted appropriately.

    • Anonymous

      give back to our communities? lmao cuz giving out turkeys on christmas n thanksgiving is how you save the hood...

  • Anonymous

    LOOOOOL, IT FUCKING AMAZES HOW MANY ENTERTAINERS ALWAYS SAY THEY "WERE" WITH TUPAC OR BIGGIE THE NIGHT THEY GOT KILLED. I MEAN THEY ALWAYS SAY "YEAH I WAS HANGING OUT WITH PAC" OR "BIG" THE NIGHT THEY GOT KILLED. EVERYBODY SAYING IT,YO FEEL ME ON THIS,THEY AINT SAYING THEY WERE IN THE SAME CLUB OR SAME AREA WITH PAC OR BIG, THEY ARE SAYING THEY WERE WITH THEY HANGING OUT,OR IN A PHONE CALL ETC...THIS IS SOME BULLS$%^T. EVER SINCE THEIR DEATHS CLOSE TO 100K HV GIVEN INTERVIEW SAYING THE SAME SHIT,BUT NONE OF THEM MENTION EACH OTHER. FAISON SAID HE WAS WITH PAC, THIS FOOL MARLON SAYING THE SAME SHIT BUT HE AINT MENTION FAISON BEING THERE. I MEAN, HOW DID FUCK DID TUPAC N BIGGIE BE WITH OVER 100K PEOPLE ONE-ON-ONE AT THE SAME TIME HUH? GUESS EVERYONE TRYNA SAY THERE WERE THE CLOSEST PERSON TO PAC OR BIG...LOOOL THIS FOOL NEEDS TO STFU. WE DONT BELIEVE ALL THIS STORIES MAN. THE NEAREST THIS GUY HAS BEEN TO TUPAC IS PROBABLY(WE AINT KNOW IF IT IS TRUE) IS THAT HE WENT TO SCHOOL WITH EPPS. THAT IS.

  • Geert Wilders Is Gay

    you people are stupid 2Pac said clearly himself he WASNT a GANGSTER RAPPER, he clearly he was a POET and he wanted to be known as a POET. Stop acting like 2pac claimed all this.

  • Anonymous

    tupac was so fake. Only a few real niggas in rap and gucci is by far the leader of the real niggas

  • Anonymous

    Officer ricky put a real nigga behind bars#free trick

  • Anonymous

    Tupac did some good community things like creating the Thug Code with his stepfather Mutulu and being a part of the Truce picnic to help end gang violence but he undermined a lot of his efforts by involving himself in Gang activity, beating up his brothers Allen Hughes and Orlando Anderson and being found guilty of sexually abusing a Black woman. The fact that Tupac was the driving force behind a coastal beef that cost people their lives also undermines any good he may have done for his people in his community or in his music. Its difficult to judge someone in their early 20s who has fame and celebrity thrust upon them in addition to heightened harassment from Law Enforcment due to their connections to Black revolutionaries but if you have Black Panthers in your blood then you have no business repping M.O.B Piru acting like M.O.B stands for "money over bitches" ain't nobody stupid and you s,after than that. Anybody can be a Gangster, all you have to do is engage in gangster activities but the price you pay may be your life so RIP Tupac Shakur.

  • Anonymous

    Lord Jamar called this dude a fag for being a cross dresser so this dude responds by talking about the softness of Tupacs hands and the length of Tupacs eyelashes....

  • Ze NYGA

    Lol aight, time to shut most of u fuckboys up. Cus reading those comments most of u put down, i have to say that its a damn shame how most u niggas describe Makaveli aka 2Pac. Being one of his biggest supporters i have sonething to tell ya niggas. When i first heard pac i really didnt like him. I heard him first on cali love with dre and being a harlem ny cat, i wasnt digging it cus it was different from biggie and whatever music i heard from ny. As i kept listening and taught by my older brother what tupac was about, i slowly gravitated towards pac and felt alot if his music cus its REAL music. Not that fantasy bullshit these niggas try to portray. Fake ass characters on the mic who claim to be G's and aint about shit. Most of ya niggas dont know what a real G is. Ya think its that blood and crip bullshit. That gang shit. Kill nigga shit. Drug shit. Nah nigga. This just in. G is way more than that petty shit. Its about being true to urself and those around u. Doing what u can for family. Doing what most bitch niggas are afraid to cus they to afraid of losing respect from other fake niggas like most of ya in this bitch. Tryina laugh and celebrate what marlon wayans is saying. Marlon wouldnt know what a real G is if it rode up clapped and shot his ass down n left on life support. Pac was way more than a G cus he lived and died for what he believed in whether right or wrong. Listen to hellrazor from r u still down and be a believer. No one put it down like pac. He knows he wasnt the best anything but he was the REALEST cus he could relate to alot of struggling people out there and he did way more than these fake dicks out here with charity without being public about it. AT 25 YEARS OLD AT THAT. EVEN WAY BEFORE THAT. Its funny really cus ya niggas compare and co.trast pac to niggas that are older than him and grew up in way better conditions and pick up fake personas. If some of ya niggas dissing pac are here younger than 25 years old, dont get it twisted, there are and were rappers with better flows and wordplay. But pac's magic was his ability to grab u from his passion and heart on songs which made it that much better. And trust me, my nigga was just 25 when he dies. And for niggas to get that excited over this nigga whther in a negative or positive light, it proves he is and always was a real G. Look at THUG ANGEL. GETVTHE DVD NIGGA AND KNOW WHAT PAC WAS ABOUT.Cus ya dont get it. And fuck marlon for even speaking on a G cus he a bitch boy who cant make top 5 box office sales.

    • Anonymous

      just like your hero, you speak with emotion lmfao. Pac stans catch feelings, they wanna be hard cause they listen to Pac, but show how bytch made they really are when you speak the truth on the studio gangsta, defending their hero's honor, when even Pac would tell you creepy obsessive dikkriders to get off his dikk. the nikka lied about Biggie setting him, a FACT you assholes have to live with (can't say the same for pac LOL get mad fakkits) I guess the truth hurts that your hero wasn't as hard as he pretended to be. nikkas get mad over a nikka who didn't know they exist (Ya'll nikkas is gay) lmao tell me what are you going to do about it? that's what I thought, kick rocks (get some from his crackhead mother) nikka.

    • TYBO2020

      LOL..YOU SEEM MAD(AND)EMOTIONAL..IT'S TRUE..THOUGH HE WAS REAL..HE TURNED UP ONCE HE GOT A BIGGER STAGE AND HAD A CHIP ON HIS SHOULDER WITH BAD BOY..YOU PROBABLY NEVER MET OR WAS BORN WHEN HE LIVED..STOP ROMANTICIZING THAT MAN PLEASE..

  • get it

    pac said he sold drugs for a short time. and dealers told him not they would help him out go and do your music. but pac was a rider that is harder than a thug and a gangster! their are intelligent heathens they are the ones that lead the runners. pac whole family got life or was murdered by the government or persecuted. being revolutionary is gangster on the highest level. its a small feat to go against a hood or a block or a city but its big to go against an army with allies with the biggest weapons and spies in possibly the history of the human race! and that is what pac afeini and his family did! his mom was a fucking gangster a rider and momma aint raise no punks!

  • get it

    and go watch the video. marlon is being spoken over by the male host on espn and he says but he would if he had to! after saying he would also shoot yo ass. and pimp's have soft ass hands cuz they keep em groomed and pedicured but ask them ho's they be slappin the shit out of if they are soft! if you are not afraid of death or to speak your mind you are a motherfuckin gangsta!

  • Anonymous

    "it's called licensing, not copyrights" Wrong. The name Rick Ross isn't a brand or a business. That's why the fake Ross can use the name because you can't copyright and lay exclusive ownership to it. COme on dude. Step your knowledge base up.

  • Anonymous

    "whateva y'all say, bottom line is biggie murked that nikka's legacy with long kiss goodnight" Biggie didn't have the heart to make a direct diss. Pac killed the nikka with "Holla At Me" he dug him up and did it again with "Hit em Up". Biggie and Jay are both like those nikkas you see at the park shadow boxing. Just by the way they throw their hands at the air you would think they could beat a nikka's ass but when they get in an actual fight their chin gets exposed. Air doesn't fight back and neither does subliminals over beats. When it comes to that direct lyrical combat them nikkas ain't up to par like Pac was.

  • HAHAHAH

    FINALLY SOMEONE WHO KNEW THE MOTHAFUCKA PUT YOU PAC STANS IN CHECK, HAD SOFT ASS HANDS LMAO THIS DUDE WAS NO FUCKING THUG AT ALL HE WAS A FUCKING BACKUP BALLERINA FOR FUCKS SAKE FOR DIGITAL UNDERGROUND. ACTING ALL TOUGH AND SHIT HE GOT WHAT HE GOT TRYNA BE WHAT HE WASNT. FUCKIN STUPID TOUGH GUYS....

    • matt

      he went toperforming arta school.and one of the things you have to do is ballet.just like in a normal school you have to do maths.pac was a rider for real,shot 2 off duty police officers,was involved in shhotouts,survived 5 shots,did time.lived in multiple hoods.was homeless,his mother was a crack addict,,etc

  • Anonymous

    Whoever this Ross stan is trying to back Ross up, think about this: Society labeled 2Pac a gangster before he ever slapped that label on himself, and it was purely entertainment when he did. He shut down that label several times in his earlier career. Ross never had the label "drug-dealer" slapped on him, NEVER. He decided to take up that persona for no reason whatsoever. It doesn't benefit anyone, his substance is shit too.

    • Anonymous

      "Yet you bitch when ross "lies" but not when 2pac does the same thing. Plus Roberts gives introspective lyrics based on Ross's life." 1. Pac never lied about his life like Ross did. 2. Ross has no introspective lyrics based on his life at all in his music, it's all fantasy drug-lord rhymes.

    • IgnorantAhh

      Tupac never begged Suge to be bailed. Suge gave him an offer and he took up on it. He was in there for shit he never did, so I'd be like "eff this" too. And Pac gave a lot to the community, he just didn't brag about it.

    • Anonymous

      "White society puts labels on all Black males thatw what Tupac taught us and we could give less than a fuck about what you label us because the fact remains that we are going to get this money, give back to our communities and open up revenue streams for young Black males to succeed and have careers and laugh in your pink face in the process." @BRUTHADEE IS 40 YEARS OLD AND TAKES SELFIES IN HIS HOOPTIE WITH LONG ASS FINGERNAILS LIKE A HOE

    • Anonymous

      Ross gives back far more than tupac. He had to beg suge to be bailed. The community efforts actually came from his mother.

    • Anonymous

      White society puts labels on all Black males thatw what Tupac taught us and we could give less than a fuck about what you label us because the fact remains that we are going to get this money, give back to our communities and open up revenue streams for young Black males to succeed and have careers and laugh in your pink face in the process.

    • Anonymous

      Back in the early 90's, all hiphop was labeled as gangster. People are smarter today. 2pac played with that label. Ross is a character made up by william roberts. Yet you bitch when ross "lies" but not when 2pac does the same thing. Plus Roberts gives introspective lyrics based on Ross's life.

  • Anonymous

    so basically toopak was fake.

  • get it

    Pac said he wasn't a thug on several occasions! he said you know i'm not a thug because you found me at my place of business. like the others said thug life was an acronym. but Pac wasn't a bitch! he shot two cops when he couldv'e minded his own business. he always talked about defending yourself against crooked cops. very few "thugs" and "gangsters" do that. Pac wasn't afraid of death. he got shot drawing his weapon even though two "thugs" had the drop on him and was shot 5 times for it. he always packed a gun until he was on parole and thought he had security. he taunted the shooters several times! 5 shots couldn't drop me i took it and smiled. then named their names on against all odds and let the world know they were working for the feds jimmy bitchman man and haitian rat jack. he beefed with big bush pres. and quayle vice president of the usa. he was a poet rap is poetry. lyrics aren't making words rhyme cool its having meaning in them! and he has a book of poetry go read it. he comes from a long line of freedom fighters and revolutionary's. and he is the most acclaimed artist since michael jackson with a world wide impact. he has a song on the vatican top 10 list! that's the roman catholic church. and he might still be alive? he was the realest and was only 25 years old for 2 months. who else accomplished more that young?

    • Anonymous

      The Ross stan and his lies. Your hero, William, never gives his money to charities, he has no opinions on world peace, and he don't give a fuck about black rights.

    • Nawww

      Doesn't matter if it's a character. I could go out and call myself "Miley Cyrus" and do a lot of dumb shit, and what? I'd just say it's my character, it doesn't represent me (insert name)? I'd have to take blame for the shit I did under that character too.

    • Anonymous

      Why you think ross has about the same money as mac miller? He gives most of it to charities. Roberts gets involved with rights for blacks and has opinions about world peace. Once again, Ross is a character made up by william roberts. Nothing different than curly created by fiddy or slim shady by eminem.

    • Anonymous

      Why tf so many damn Ross stans on this site? Rick Ross is a good artist, nothing jaw-dropping. He did hardly shit for charity and the poor compared to 2Pac. He got a boring personality. 2Pac always spoke passionately about important issues during his interviews, he was very well-spoken too. 2Pac only referred to himself as "gangsta" on "2 of Americaz Most Wanted", and even this was after society slapped the name on him. He's just playing with the persona. Before then he was focused on educating people about the streets and the dangers. Rick Ross, almost none of his substance is anything worthwhile or hard-hitting, just be fronting like a drug dealer.

    • Anonymous

      Pac knew that by joining the rap game, he was going to be a target for gangsters. Every rapper knows it. William Roberts knew that even though he's not a gangster, his character could still have roberts killed. He plans escapes though. He's a dope rapper.

  • Anonymous

    thats what i always thought tupac was a normal kid in arts school

  • Anonymous

    1988 Tupac Interview at 17 Years Old Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EUAALItX4Q 1988 Tupac Interview at 17 Years Old Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6CAcjbmkzI 1988 Tupac Interview at 17 Years Old Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkEiJKRg5rE 1988 Tupac Interview at 17 Years Old Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvsxETh3jnw Pac wasn't a gangster (not an insult), he was an artist.

  • Anonymous

    welldon't come around....me....you like hip-hop's grimm reaper....

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    Palmolive Shakur pwahahaha

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  • Robbin Tanks 4 Ammo

    Marlon Wayans I Dont like Dude is so in love with his damn self. Is a clown without being funny

  • What are you all on?

    Like you're all trash talking saying Pac was shit, Nah you're fucking stupid Pac was way better then Biggie he owned that shit on Hit em up. Also ''Thug Life'' mean 'The hate u give little infants fucks everybody' So seriously shut the fuck up Pac was one of the best from the 90's WAY better than half of the shit rappers you lot naming

  • diss rispeck

    "He was a clown. He wasnt real gangster" What will Suge Knight think about this ? Will he hang dude from the balcony like vanilla ice ?

  • DGK

    Seems like everybody is overrated and underrated LOL. If you think Biggie was a good rapper or Ice Cube is 'special' you don't know shit about hiphop. Mainstream rap CAN NEVER BE REVOLUTIONARY. Just because it's for the masses, controlled (and produced) by major labels who take no risk and the only thing they can is do i fallowing trends. E.g. Kanye's 'Yeezus' with all the industrial sound was inspired by El-P and Death Grips. 2Pac had some good records in his life, but the majors made him a pop ass bitch with all the posthumus shit. I believe if he lived today he was a part of YMCM and did all the things you have about mainstream.

  • Anonymous

    All NY rappers overrated.

  • Anonymous

    Biggie way overrated. First album was cool second was p diddy pop rap.

  • Anonymous

    whateva y'all say, bottom line is biggie murked that nikka's legacy with long kiss goodnight

  • Anonymous

    "boo boo oh pac didnt call himself a gangsta, he was a poet, he was against crime, he was a law abiding citizen, thug life meant "the shit u gave to lil niggas fucked up the whole city", he gave his money to charity, he respect women" Y'all better miss me with all that fuck shit. Even Pac would tell y'all to shut the fuck up, YES he called himself a gangsta, YES he was a dumb nikka calling people out and that eventually took his life, but so what? Nobody's perfect, nikka was just a rapper and ONLY a rapper, not no revolutionairy, not no fuckin poet, not no nothin

  • Anonymous

    Pac is the most overrated rapper ever. He was just average to good but not special like: rakim, g rap, krs, biggie , nas, big pun, kane, cube

    • Anonymous

      lol at this john blaze fakkit catching feelings

    • Anonymous

      EZ Johnny Blaze, just answer the mufucka's question. Shit, no need to go all ham on this guy. And hey, you may be more knowledgeable about musical talent, but that doesn't mean shit in the end, so don't be degrading a brother. In the end it's all about the actions, who knows what this guy did or you? Don't judge just off of who's musically inclined or not. No need for a superiority complex.

    • JohnnyBlaze

      hahahahahaha this dude just asked "whats so special about Pun?" LISTEN TO CAPITAL PUNISHMENT AND YOULL FIND YOUR ANSWER.....ive listened to that album front to back over 100 times and it still blows my fuckin mind...if you dont see whats so special, you obviosuly dont know a fuck about rhyme patterns, lyricism, flow, or none of that shit.

    • rtg

      i know! Cube is the only gangsta that plays in family movies. wackness at it best

    • Anonymous

      what's so special about pun/cube?

  • Anonymous

    Finally someone dares to say that Pac was a phony! a fake gangsta

    • Johnny Blaze

      Hows he a phony? and if you knew how to read, youd know that Marlon said it as a compliment, he wasnt talkin shit about pac you fuckin simpleton

  • So Icy Boi!

    Yo, Im back, niggas... fresh outta prison! Check out ma new music on soundcloud. Im da best rapper alive. swag https://soundcloud.com/soicyrecords

  • Anonymous

    So the point of the story is, don't make Marlon meet you... you'll get shot. (just kidding for those who are ready to jump my dick)

  • Anonymous

    Doesn't matter, Ross still lied about his past. His situation is not similar to Eminem's at all." He didn't lie. He was in character that day. When they did another interview he (as Roberts) told them his past. Ross didn't work as a CO, Roberts did.

  • Verbal Tim

    I'm glad finally someone speaks the truth about Pac's so-called 'thug life'. "Rap Is Fake" - Ice-T

    • Anonymous

      So many ignorant statements on this article. You don't even know what Pac meant by T.H.U.G. L.I.F.E. - The hate you give little infants fucks everyone. He never referred to himself as a gangster and he wasn't the one to categorize his music was "gangster rap". He just made music to educate the ignorant and he did a really great job of that, a little more-so before the fame and various bullshit got to his head.

  • Anonymous

    Yall hoes is soft, I say shit so powerful I got bitches on here calling me some random niggas name like I infected their brain. I beast on these bitches, yall too soft.

  • James

    he was also a good dancer. do then humpty dance

  • What Have We Learned

    And that's why you should always run from Marlon Wayans at a party. If Marlon Wayans says what up to you at a party, you will die. -The More You Know.

  • Anonymous

    "I've never heard the actual 50 Cent from Brooklyn bitch about the fact that Curtis took his name. He was probably happy that Curtis took his name because Curtis is an ACTUAL hood dude that went on to have great success." ^ history lesson son.... 50 CENTS was dead a long time before Curtis did the name, and once it came about he was naming himself after the notorious Brooklyn stickup kid, Curtis did what YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO DO, and speak to the family and ASK FOR PERMISSION. He slid them some dough, paid for a memorial tombstone, and when the "American Gangster" episode was filmed about 50 CENTS, Curtis spoke and and the family said they approve within the episode so I'm not gonna disrespect your ignorance on this subject, I'm gonna point at the naivety of you not understanding how things work when you want to use someone else's name for notoriety Freeway called Freeway Ricky in jail and got approval, this is like the 10,000th time these facts have been typed on the internet William has lawyers and a bunch of lies to show, and this is one of the reasons why he will never rise to that level he wants to achieve the people know he stole the name, likeness, and stories

  • Anonymous

    i think @bruthadee might be a C.O. too. thats the only way to explain his female like behavior. He's a DJ that specializes in dope rap like MMG.

  • huh

    the tittle was misleading false and disrespectful thats not what he said.............

  • French Montana's Stay Schemin Verse

    Pac was the realest that ever did it

  • THE BIG THE BAD THE BIG BAD GUCCI

    Thats what have i been saying for the past 5 years. I have said time and time again that the only real gangster in rap is GUCCI MANE. GUCCI IS LEGIT TUPAC WAS A BALERINA FAKE GANGSTER. Gucci would kill tupac gucci is the epitome of everything a real nigga should be

  • 2pac's ghost

    Fuck my mother. She disrespected me by exploiting me. Ross on the other hand is paying tribute. Why not respect him?

    • 2pac's ghost

      I spend every night trying to tell you all that my mother exploited my legacy while ross paid tribute to it. BTW, Suge planned my murder.

    • Trolling Ass NIkkas Like U Deserve To Rot In Hell

      Is this how you spend your Saturday nights???

  • Anonymous

    Even Ross paid tribute to 2pac with 2pac back and you still want to bitch about it just because ross is a character made up by roberts. Roberts is still a dope rapper.

    • Anonymous

      Nope. What Ross did was disrespect, not respect. Many rappers shout out 2Pac, Ross' situation isn't special. And that I Feel Like Pac/Biggie record was not a tribute, that's also disrepect.

    • Anonymous

      Disrespect is when you take 2pac's unreleased works that he didn't want released and exploit it for profit. All Ross did was give a shoutout to 2pac, no recordings were used. He even did another tribute with I feel like pac/biggie. It's shoutouts. That's respect.

    • Anonymous

      That wasn't a tribute, that was disrespect. Ross is still a terrible rapper.

  • Dang

    Drake haters and hip hop purists from their suburban watering holes everywhere are having caniptions...they can't believe it- 2Pac was a phonier than Drake and soft as tampons. Advice: stop listening to the gossip about artists and start listening to the music. 90% of hip hop artists have questionable pasts which don't line up well with their lyrics. Get over it.

  • Anonymous

    Seems like time goes by, every rapper loses their credibility. So now Pac wasn't a real gangster. I heard Freeway Rick Ross (the actual one) say that Jay-Z wasn't a big time drug dealer. He was just a small timer, so that took away from Jay's credibility. Dr. Dre has ghost writers. The more and more I look at it, the only real rapper with street credibility is 50 Cent. No one has ever denied his street cred and he has people who backed him up when asked if he really did put work in the street. I think 50 & Ice Cube are the only REAL, gangsta rappers who have gone mainstream and have been incredibly successful.

  • OG THA KNOCKOUT ARTIST

    Only real thugs still bumping that thug life - in prison in east london listening to 2pac waiting for the PACMAN V Bradley fight to start - only suckas listen to new school rap - PAC,BIG,PUN,L,HALF-A-MIL,KOOLG,REDMAN,WU,NAS - thats all this prison plays no JIGGA no SLIM SHADY - no DRAKE no DRE no KANYE no ROSS no JEEZY no PUFFY -ONLY REAL SHIT -

  • Brizz

    Do your history lessons. Talking bout Pac like he wasnt the realest muthafukka ever. This dude had more heart than none of us ever have. This is the guy that shot two crooked cops AND beat the case. Fuck yall for trying to taint his legacy with bullshit talk. He was the champion for all of us rolling for all the have nots in the world. Im a white guy from Sweden and i have to be the one standing up for him here and now in 2014? Shame on yall. Comparing him to Rick Ross? What the fuck are you talking about you ignorant droids. How dare you even mention them together. Pac wasnt something as one dimesional as a gangster he was so much more, he was all that makes us human. He was a poet, visionary, reveloutionary, activist, humanist, lover, soldier, homeboy, thug, son and more things combined than none of you can grasp. Thats what made him real and what gave him his power as a leader of men. I guarantee Marlon is right that he by now would have accomplished things outside of hiphop as a leader with real impact. You think he was weak for doing ballet or studying art? Are you really that insecure of your manhood. I could go and try ballet rite now and wouldnt be or feel less of man cause of it. None of yall could test that man eye to eye. Rip Pac.

    • Anonymous

      Please. Pac is a great poet, better than Wale. Pac never sold out at all. And Ross and William are the same person, not a character.

    • Anonymous

      Pac was at best an average poet and sold out when suge busted him out of jail. Wale is a better poet than pac. Pac pretty much used himself when he interviews while Ross sometimes interviews them as Roberts and sometimes as ross. Ross is a character Roberts created. Nothing wrong with that. Like I said, Ross never worked as a co. WIlliam Roberts did.

    • Anonymous

      "Don't ever mention tupac and poetry in the same sentence. 2pac acted like a gangster yet you praised him but bash Roberts when's he's doing the same thing with his character, rick ross. Tupac ain't a poet either. That's wale." Umm, Pac IS a poet, not Wale. And there's a difference between him and Ross as Pac never hid behind a phony character and lied about his past.

    • Shit

      ^ Fricka never post my whole comment. It's ignorant to say not to mention Pac and poetry in the same sentence considering he actually has a collection of earlier poems he wrote put together in a book called "The Rose That Grew From Concrete". He was a poet before he was a rapper.

    • Anonymous

      "Don't ever mention tupac and poetry in the same sentence."

    • Anonymous

      please typing like a black man, stop acting like u knew Pac, analyzing his life and shit, stop trying to knock another nigga's hustle (Rick Ross, in this case) and stop acting like u're a "have not"

    • Anonymous

      Don't ever mention tupac and poetry in the same sentence. 2pac acted like a gangster yet you praised him but bash Roberts when's he's doing the same thing with his character, rick ross. Tupac ain't a poet either. That's wale.

    • Anonymous

      cool down white boy

  • Anonymous

    The Rick Ross stans are just grasping at straws to defend their hero. They'll even lie like him to defend his honor. Rick Ross never worked as a CO. William Roberts did. See what I mean? Rick Ross is just a character Robers made up. Nothing different than what eminem does with slim shady.

    • Anonymous

      "Rick Ross never worked as a CO. William Roberts did. See what I mean? Rick Ross is just a character Robers made up. Nothing different than what eminem does with slim shady." Doesn't matter, Ross still lied about his past. His situation is not similar to Eminem's at all.

    • Anonymous

      Roberts tattoos can't come off and ross grew that beard, shaving it off. How do you know he watches golden girls?

    • Anonymous

      I agree! When William Roberts goes home at night he washes off his tattoos, hangs up his beard and watches Golden Girls just like the rust of us.

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  • Typical HHDX Thug

    Yeah, mang that niqqa 2 pac was straight fufu, nikka. He woulda been a meal in my hood. We dont fuk with marks like that. Shyt, that niqqa woulda even glanced in my direction, I woulda one'd him and went back to finishing my burger like its nothin. Only gay ass niqqas fuck with that faq. U gay, niqqa? Sheeit niqqa, dont even answer. I got to go... bout to grab the toaster and rob the blood out some nikkaxxx

  • Anonymous

    "I'm positive he and Tulac have" Wait, who's "Tulac"? Since I don't know who "Tulac" is, I refuse to read or even respect your whole argument

  • Fuck Damon's Untalented Younger Brother

    Where's Lord Jamar when we need him???

  • Anonymous

    "That's where they get hypocritical. Everyone knows eminem never really killed his wife or did any of the shit slim shady says he does and everyone know roberts life isn't as hard as his character, rick ross, says it is. Yet they don't bitch when eminem does it." The difference is that Eminem really lived that serial-killer life, Eminem is a real nigga and I read online that he went to jail for pistol whipping a bouncer that kissed his wife Kim. When we hear Em rap about rape and murder we all know he is rapping a life that he has lived because rappers are only supposed to rap about their actual experiences and not about what their friends and family have experienced...do you get it now?

    • DerekFromDetroit

      "You'll be walking down the street and you'll see a bunch of black dudes walking, not just any old black dudes, we're talking 'thugs'. And in the group, they got one, or two, sometimes as many as three white guys with them, you ever seen that shit? Well let me tell you something about those white guys. Those white guys are the most dangerous motherfuckers in them groups. it's true, man. there's no telling what kind of crazy shit they've done to get them black dudes respect, but I'll tell you they've done some wild shit." -Dave Chapelle

    • DerekFromDetroit

      (All**** SIX members of D12 has one)****

    • DerekFromDetroit

      Marshall Mathers never lived a serial-killer life. Slim Shady is only a persona that originated from his new 'fuck-it' attitude after he tried killing himself with Tylenol PM's. It was his alter-ego (everyone SIX members of D12 has one).

  • Anonymous

    thats so true - man i miss the 90s the golden era of rap

  • Anonymous

    HOW MANY BALLERINAS YOU KNOW SHOOT AT THE COPS. THE MAN GETS A SALUTE FROM ME ALL DAY - TUPAC ALL DAY

  • Anonymous

    PAC A LEGEND - HES MUSIC AND FILMS ARE CLASSICS RIP

  • Anonymous

    Who's more gangsta? a. Marlon Wayans b. Macklemore c. Lord Jamar d. Nick Cannon

  • Anonymous

    Tupac was an entertainer first and foremost, he wasnt a superhero, a savior or a saint, just a talented dancer/rapper/actor because he went to a school of performing Arts with Jada Pinkett. Nobody every believed that Tupac was a gangster and nobody every believed Dr Dre or Ice Cube were gangsters, those dudes came out in the 90's back when everybody thought rappers were just rappers rapping about their environment and not their persona or the totality of their image.

  • Anonymous

    ^ stop making excuses for Rozay He ain't bust his gun at cops, get shot & robbed, nor did a bid on a trumped up charge Like that's supposed to be a bad thing. No sane person wants crime. y'all reaching, using anything you can grasp to cosign your Ross stannery, showing that deep down inside it kinda bothers you to support him" He's just in character. Ross always raps in character. Nothing wrong with that.

  • Anonymous

    "and then steal a living mans government name while hes locked up in a prison like the one you worked at" Names aren't copyrighted, plus what do you think the real Ross would have said, oh sure, use my name? He would have demanded money like he is today.

  • Anonymous

    Lol Marlon Wayans just said 2pac had soft hands.

  • Big >>>Tupac

    He made Don't be a menace to south central while drinking your juice in the hood and scary movie 1 n 2 he good with me. We all know pac wasn't a gangster if he was alive today everyone would be making fun of him for being a ballerina going to art theatre school pretending to be a blood at 25 being in protective custody while locked up being a convicted rapist and dick-riding the west more than anyone in history when he born n raised in the east

    • Learn how 2 read

      1. It was proven that Pac didn't nobody. He grabbed a chick's booty. 2. Pac ALREADY tolded the world that he when to Art School before he died. 3. He never claimed to be a blood in the first place. 4. He made it clear many times in songs and interviews that he was west-coast raised and east-coast born.

  • Anonymous

    Moral of the story; if Marlon Wayans sees you you're about to get shot.

  • Anonymous

    Hundreds of comments about real vs. fake and people acting like they know rappers' lives in 3, 2, 1...

    • Anonymous

      naw, they gonna clown Marlon like he don't mean anything as they try to tell us all their fuckboy comment is gospel

  • Anonymous

    You have no problem with tupac acting gangster yet you bitch when ross does it.

    • Anonymous

      "I've never heard the actual 50 Cent from Brooklyn bitch about the fact that Curtis took his name. He was probably happy that Curtis took his name because Curtis is an ACTUAL hood dude that went on to have great success." ACTUALLY, the OG 50 Cent was long dead before Curtis took his name but he made a mini documentary about that man's life, paid homage and bought him a tomb stone.

    • Anonymous

      i think @bruthadee might be a C.O. too. thats the only way to explain his female like behavior.

    • Anonymous

      I've never heard the actual 50 Cent from Brooklyn bitch about the fact that Curtis took his name. He was probably happy that Curtis took his name because Curtis is an ACTUAL hood dude that went on to have great success.

    • Anonymous

      The Rick Ross stans are just grasping at straws to defend their hero. They'll even lie like him to defend his honor.

    • Anonymous

      That's where they get hypocritical. Everyone knows eminem never really killed his wife or did any of the shit slim shady says he does and everyone know roberts life isn't as hard as his character, rick ross, says it is. Yet they don't bitch when eminem does it.

    • Anonymous

      Tupac never shitted on the white mans pet hero 50 Cent.... What "laws" does a C.O. "enforce"? ask a square ass net-nerd that question. Ross aint running around with active Blood gangmembers jumping on Crips or catching cases so nobody outside the Internet is saying he "acts gangsta" but I'm positive he and Tulac have seen and heard enough about gangsterism in their own lives to be able to rap or discuss it with knowledge. These GUnit fags don't give a fuck about a rapper using another mans name as a stage nam, shit I might call myself Niccolo Makavelli and these pathetic bitches wouldnt say shit if Eminem co-signed me. Ask these bitches why they still talking about Ross and his teen employment history and not talking about Eminem getting exposed for making racist rap songs and then having his lawyers try to hide the truth through lawsuits and legal wranglings.....oh but Eminem gets a pass because he is one of them.

    • Anonymous

      Like I said, he was being in character that day. His character never worked for law enforcement, Roberts has. Roberts also never stole the name, according to courts. It's like eminem being in slim shady mode.

    • Anonymous

      "Rapper Charged in Shootings of Off-Duty Officers By RONALD SMOTHERS Published: November 2, 1993 Tupac Shakur, whose rap recordings sketch what he calls the "thug life" of inner-city violence, was charged on Sunday with shooting two off-duty suburban policemen. The Atlanta police said the shooting occurred after two cars carrying Mr. Shakur and his party almost struck the two men and their wives as they crossed a city street early Sunday morning." ^ stop making excuses for Rozay He ain't bust his gun at cops, get shot & robbed, nor did a bid on a trumped up charge y'all reaching, using anything you can grasp to cosign your Ross stannery, showing that deep down inside it kinda bothers you to support him

    • Anonymous

      theres nothing wrong with law enforcement but you dont lie about it and try to hide your past and then steal a living mans government name while hes locked up in a prison like the one you worked at

    • Anonymous

      What's wrong with law enforcement? Without it, your ass would be killed. Plus, ross is just being in character, just like 2pac was.

    • Anonymous

      2Pac was also a well rounded individual who touched on a variety of different topics, plus he never worked for law enforcement & tried to pull a 360. Can't say either of those about ross.

  • Anonymous

    This clown sound gay as fuck talking about the suppleness of another niggas hands and the luster of a niggas eyelashes, gay ass clown, no wonder he dresses up as women in his movies so much.

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