Havoc Says Music Is "Not Really A Special Event Anymore"

Havoc explains how he came into the game and how it's changed over the years.

Havoc has been in the game for the better part of two decades, holding it down as one-half of Queens, New York duo Mobb Deep. But he's not happy with the way that the culture has progressed over the years.

During an interview with Converse Rubber Tracks, Hav recalled how he first got his feet wet as an emcee and only picked up production because others were charging too much money for beats.

"I definitely started off as an emcee first. That’s how I started, that’s how I came into the game," he said. "Basically, how I became a producer was we couldn’t afford the beats that these producers were charging a million dollars for a track. We invested in a little bit of equipement, starting making tracks and it just had a life of its own. It was crazy. It was a lot of pressure, but I love pressure. Pressure creates diamonds, so I just did it."

He shifted his focus to how the culture has evolved over the years, stating that he's not happy with how artists focus more on singles than albums. He considers music today "not really a special event anymore" because there's less risk in creativity.

"The ‘90s was something that’s indescribable. It’s almost like a family thing. Looking back on it now, you miss those times because it was more effort put into the music. The music was album-orientated. Now, it’s just single-orientated. Now, it’s so many producers out there, music is just like that. It’s not really a special event anymore. Not to really criticize the game like that, because it is what it is, whatever. If you want to make money, then OK, you’ll just make these cookie cutter beats. But if you want to stand out and just leave your mark on the world, you’ll make something that sounds different and take a risk. No risk, no reward."

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93 Comments

  • YESSIR

    Havoc is right. only YMCMB is creating music that could be "dope" in the 90%. everything else sucks............

  • donnis mac

    I agree that the internet plays a big part in taking away the event. Song "leaks", press on overload (how many times did DX post about which rapper inspired Kendrick?), the album "leak", the album stream, the first day on sale sales projections, and the weekly numbers. None of this entails actual PURCHASING of music.

  • Anonymous

    cause there all whack we need a lyrical masterpiece not a blueprint 3

    • Anonymous

      we need more than that we need albums with dense sampling and production and some turntablism on tracks again

  • toppa shot

    Hav is right. But to spin it from a different angle he didn't cover, I look at how the music is released these days. The release of music, mainly hip hop is no longer an event anymore cuz everyone today is analyzing, critiquing albums 3 weeks before they come out. Bootlegging has always existed, but today it's out of control. By the time a good album drops everyone has already heard it twenty times already. The special feel of a quality album being released is not there anymore. The exciting of ripping off the plastic off a CD is long gone. Shit just sucks now. The internet takes majority of the blame.

  • Ultimatemegadon

    you gotta blame the internet it was a time where you did tons of meet and greets at clubs shows now you dont gotta go nowhere everything is microwave you gotta deal with majority of fake people that rather hear gossip instead going out to there local mom and pop record stores and buy cds and they downloading shit is just that we dealing with the masses of assholes instead of real people with real opnions the masses is ignorant and foolish they killed hip hop they accept homosexuality they accept reality shows and all this fake real shit that we seeing today blame popularity

  • KGR

    Some people still release those eventful records. Not Havoc.

  • Anonymous

    Nicca's talk the talk but cant do the walk..."music aint real no more music aint special no more...blah blah blah...yada yada yada..." what are u doing to fix it..Rozay signed Meek Millz...Dr Dre signed Lamar... Eminem signed Slaughter House...Cameron gave Vado a chance...Jay Z signed J cole (all of em putting in work in creating a sound lyrical content on their albums) what has havoc done? NADA... All these old hiphop heads and rappers piss me off.Yall complain hiphop is dead, soulja boy, gucci mane,trinidad James(more like-->Retard James) and waka flaka killed hiphop(which is true i m not disputing it) but what hv the so called hiphop godfathers done about it? all the KRS Ones, Ur Rakims..what about ur "Ima lyricist rappers" Kwali,Mos def who hv they brought to the scene? no one...The best way to put whack rappers out of business is to promote, support and bring out the few young rappers who are atleast putting in the effort to "write" their albums (not some abcd, repetitive kiddergarten rap). Yall complain so much about soulja boy, gucci mane,trinidad James(more like-->Retard James) and waka flaka that yall gave em the press they wanted and made them relevant...the only rappers i want to hear complain about music or hiphop is Rozay, Dr Dre, Eminem, Cameron, Jay Z. If yall name aint here fuck off coz u aint doing shit about hiphop only complain.

    • Anonymous

      Oh and rick Ross and mmg are part of the problem not the solution.

    • Anonymous

      Its true but a lot of the dudes you mentioned(talib, mos def etc) are struggling to maintain off their skills themselves or make ends meet off music causing them to shun/supress new talent right under their noses. I'm not saying its their job to help anyone but you can't complain about the state of hip hop if your not willing to do something about it yourself. Its OK thought things will work themselves out, the future looks much brighter than the present.

  • Yigwi

    Music not a special even? Nigga please, why don't you just get a real job or actually start composing music, fuck your album sales greedy shit pop culture bullshit

  • m.black

    There is one huge reason music of ALL genres isn't special anymore. The internet. Because without it, all your music would have to come from television and magazines...and you would have to WAIT for your favorite artist to drop...Record stores would be thriving and people who want to make music would have to be 100 times BETTER than what they are now. It's turned into quantity over quality because of the internet and it's cheapened the thrill and the caliber of artist. Anybody who was born before 92 knows this very well...

  • B.Wilkins

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  • insanemacbeth

    agree 100% with the title of the article!

  • uno ocho gang, E'z up!

    I agree with Havoc. I also agree with Fat Joe when he said, "hip hop is run by the gay mafia." Just take a good look at all the CLOWN ASS PUTOS running around in the game right now.

    • uno ocho gang, E'z up!

      I'm not a fan of Fat Joe and I could care less about his music but I agree with his comment.

    • Anonymous

      dude, I liked Fat Joes first LP, but who is Fat Joe to talk about comercial gay music? he was the first to do it, with his J-Lo r&b tracks.

  • Anonymous

    Havoc should be heralded one of the nicest producers to come out in modern years but maybe its because the genre has become radio friendly, Mainstream music scene as from 09-13 has really been all about dreamy strobe lights, sex-ualism and watery hip hip

  • Renzo rollin

    Hip Hop in the 90's was doper cuz it was more in its own world back then. It all started to go downhill when rappers started doing songs with corny popstars in the early 00's. That watered hip hop down to much.

    • SCHWARZ

      I DISAGREE THEY AREN'T WILLING 2 TAKE CHANCES THESE DAYS SMIF & WESSON ON MARY J'S SONG WORKED MARY J ON METH'S SONG WORKED MELLE MEL ON CHAKA KHAN'S SONG WORKED HEAVY D ON MIKE JACK'S "JAM" WORKED 2DAY THEY WON'T LET A ROC MARCIANO ON A BEYONCE SONG A KA ON RHIANNA'S SONG A JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE RAPSODY COLLAB AN ACTION BRONSON BRITNEY SPEARS COLLAB I CALL IT BOTTOM LINE MUSIC IS WHAT THEY PUSH ON THE MASSES NOT CREATIVITY

    • Anonymous

      Great point. I have no problem with dudes freestyling over other genre beats. It shows skill for a rapper to rhyme over any kind of beat. But when rappers start making songs thats not hip hop music and they make an RandB album, but they are considered to be rappers.(Drake) Or they do pop songs like Nicki thats when i have a problem.

  • Anonymous

    ''No risk, no reward''

  • lasdhfns

    I hate Mobb Deep, but Havoc's right. These artists nowadays are only in it for the singles, nobody stands out really. Maybe Kendrick Lamar and ASAP Rocky, but that's it. Nobody really taking time to make a good album.

  • Anonymous

    "Infamy was solid also" That was their worst album. Every song sounded the same.

    • Anonymous

      I wouldn't say Prodigy fell off. Hell no but i would say that his style kinda changed up by then. Well it actually changed up during HNIC 1.(classic by the way) Prodigy became more laid back during Infamy.(and HNIC)He wasn't as energetic as he was in his early career. He was laid back but i thought it fit him cause he was growing up. He wasn't the high pitched MC he used to be. The only problem i had with Prodigy by then is he sometimes doesn't rhyme all the time. He would spit 3 bars and not rhyme and then rhyme that bar on like the 6th bar. I can't even explain that shit. But overall Prodigy was still spitting that shit. Cause you can't tell me you thought the overall album sounded nice because of what Havoc was spitting.(no offense to Havoc at all tho).

    • SCHWARZ

      BUT THIS CLOWN'S "OPINION" TIES INTO THE CONVERSATION ALWAYS WANT 2 IMPLY UR "OPINION" ON THE MASSES BUT WHERE'S THE INPUT? ANYBODY ANYBODY CAN SAY SOMETHING IS WACK WHERE'S THE INPUT FROM THE CONVERSATION BELOW BETWEEN THE 90'S UNTIL NOW? NOTHING BUT A "QUOTE" & AN "OPINION" JUST LIKE PARENT WHO ONLY TELLS THEIR CHILD WHAT 2 DO & "DON'T QUESTION ME BECAUSE I'M UR PARENT SO I'M RIGHT" THEN GET MAD WHEN THE CHILD DOESN'T RESPOND 2 U U NEVER TAUGHT THEM SPOKE TO THEM OFFERED INSIGHT THOSE SAME KIDS R OFF'ING THEIR PARENTS NOW BECAUSE THEY CAN'T RELATE 2 THE REAL WORLD WHEN THEY WERE TAUGHT FANTASY

    • toppa shot

      Infamy was when you could really hear Prodigy start to slip lyrically. He actually kinda ruined that album for me. The overall sound of the album was dope, but P wasn't the same.

    • Big Bang Theory.

      Wow Infamy was wack. That might have been their most consistent album. Can't remember not one wack song on that album. That shit came out around the same time Blueprint and Stillmatic came out and i like infamy more then both. Wow you nerds but opinions is opinions.

    • Anonymous

      Never any insight, just a lame "opinion".

  • Anonymous

    No shit? Anyone who listened to Havoc's HORRIBLE fucking solo CDs never would have guessed... And yeah, I ** did ** listen because I though the Mobb still had it, mostly, and still had potential to make an excellent record... All of P's solo work until that last shitbomb was good-to-great. Havoc was straight dogshit, however, including the beats.

    • EWAY

      I agree with you..but let me say this. That HNIC 3 grew on me I was pissed at first too. I didn't wanna hear P like that. Then I got high and it really isn't that bad if you listen to it. Try washing your car or cleaning up the crib to it. Like Hav just said, take some risks! And I'm a Big Mobb Fan.

  • Anonymous

    he is correct it was a time when hip was celebrated a a whole now its not

  • MGRUPPE.COM

    THIS FOOL IS FRUSTRATED. HE AND P FUCKED UP A GOOD THING THEY HAD GOING. I HATE JAY-Z BUT HE MASTERED THE GAME. HE ADDAPTED TO THE CHANGES IN THE MUSIC BIZ AND PEOPLE STILL CONCENTRATE ON WHAT HE SAYS - NOT IF HE IS UP THE TIME. REMEMBER THIS: THEY SIGNED WITH G-UNIT. THE USED COMMUNITY-PLATFORMS TO "BEEF" AROUND. THEY LIED ABOUT THEIR LIVE - THEY LIED TO THEIR FANS. THE MUSIC BIZ IS STILL THE SAME. HE IS NOT.

  • Anonymous

    Well said Hav! I agree 100.

  • yeaaahh

    The game has changed but there's not that much of a difference between now and then. The only difference is wack rappers in the 90s didn't get as much attention as they do today. I also blame the "fans" because most are too lazy to search for good music so they settle for what's thrown in their faces. I think the game is about to do a 180, though. Pro Era, TDE, Funk Volume, and some others.

    • yeaaahh

      All these music sites and blogs and you're telling me it's not easy to find new music? Plus the promotion on social networking sites?? I'm not talking about going to google and searching for someone's name.

    • SCHWARZ

      FALSEHOOD IT AIN'T EASY BECAUSE OF THE INTERNET WHO WOULD U SEARCH 4 IF U DON'T KNOW IF THEY EXIST? IF NO ONE EVER SAID "GRIEF PEDIGREE"-KA WOULD & COULD U ACTUALLY SAY U KNEW ABOUT IT & SAW EVERY SINGLE VIDEO 4 THE ALBUM? U DON'T JUST GO SOMEWHERE & FIND GOLD SOMEONE HAS TO TELL TALES OF IT WHERE IT'S FOUND & HOW FOR U 2 C IT THIS IS A COMMON MISCONCEPTION ABOUT THIS INTERNET "IT'S OUT THERE, U HAVE 2 FIND IT" THAT'S BULLSH!T Y'ALL WON'T EVEN SEARCH 4 INFO B4 U COMMENT BUT U SEARCH 4 MUSIC? LOL

    • yeaaahh

      Yeah but there's still a lot of talent out here. People just have to find it - And it's easy to find these days because of the internet.

    • Still anonymous

      @yeaaahh you said that the game hasn't changed but there is not that much of a difference between now and then, the only difference is wack rappers in the 90s didn't get as much attention as they do today. ------------------------------------- I just have to say thats the biggest change that could possible happen. It don't get no bigger then that change right there man. Look, back then everybody stayed in their lane. You couldn't be Tiger or Drake claiming to be the king of hip hop. Tho both them niggas is aight(drake is kinda nice lyrically can't deny that) Niggas like that couldn't ever make that claim. Tiga claiming he is from compton and he aint won't ever rock. Think about the shit Drake put out now and compare it to the shit Mase put out back then. Mase might have had some girl shit but he stayed true to the form of hip hip. Drake put out RandB albums. Then they wonder why 2pac tried to keep niggas like this out the game.

    • 614grind

      That is the definition of a HUGE change. Wack fantasy microwave rappers are leading the pack. Real emcees are cut out.

  • Anonymous

    @ 1:20 "if you wanna stand out and leave your mark on the world" talking about KDOT

  • Anonymous

    Today the problem is, the fans are jocking the mainstream hard and actually have the nerve to call them selves fans Hip Hop. And(Inspired by soundscan) get on these blogs dictating, and with mindless talk about who is broke and who is making it rain!

    • Anonymous

      Yea it was def Jay. 50 cent just piggy backed - like he has done his whole career. - Music Jump Start From Dr Dre and Eminem - Books - RZA - Video Games - Wu-Tang - Headphones - Dr Dre - Singing and rapping - Ja Rule

    • Anonymous

      I agree with the first guy - to correct the second guy; it was Jay-Z that started the whole "I'm the best because I sell the most movement back* in 1999

    • jayy

      CO SIGNNN! i said it a few years ago since 50 cent made record sales relavent, and dictates whos nice and whos not that will hurt rap overall and it def has.. now i see ppl sayin oh nas album sucked it didnt even go gold or wow wutang didnt even sell 50,000 they fell off hard, not even listenin 2 a raekwon or wublock album not knowing its a beast fuckin album..noone goes gold now adays in rap unless ur jayz eminem or a big guy like that

  • Anonymous

    thanks to Ymcmb, mmg, chief keef, good music, trap beats, gucci mane, soulja boy, waka flocka, machine gun kelly. future, shawty lo, birdman. etc rap is dead. am sorry but theses dudes are wack

  • L.Q.Beatz

    I think the 90's music wasn't better than now. But these days all talent can be found only on the underground level while 90's mainstream rap was the shit. To tell you the truth we had a lot of crap in 90's too. MC Hammer,Vanilla Ice and the list goes on and on..

    • Anonymous

      Anytime, i would be thankful if you didn't post dumb comments like yours tho. Those comparison are retarded and only in your mind do they exist. I guess we should compare J-Rule to 2pac now why you at it. Or better yet T.I to 2pac and Rick Ross to Biggie. Exactly my point.

    • L.Q.Beatz

      Thanks for posting your opinion brother.

    • @L.Q.Beatz

      I don't wonna offend you by your comparisons but those comparison is offending me. But stick to your opinion no matter how foolish it makes you look

    • L.Q.Beatz

      Still stickin to my opinion though. I can give you some examples talent wise Kendrick Lamar,J.Cole = Nas, Jay-Z Big Krit,Tito Lopez = Outkast, Ugk,8ball & Mjg Freddie Gibbs = Scarface Jay Rock of TDE,Nipsey Hussle = best 90s west coast gangsta rappers Action Bronson = Ghostface Joey Bada$$ = best 90s eastcoast rappers We also got Los,Wale,Ab-Soul,Schoolboy Q,Hopsin and he list goes on. People need to quit eatin this bullshit mainstream feeding you and do their research. Much respect to everybody on the site.

    • ladjfsl

      Real talk. Just like that group Lumineers are supposed to be "this generation's Beatles." Yeah right, good luck with that

    • Anonymous

      To compare hip hop 90s music to todays music is crazy. Underground or mainstream however you look at it shit ain't the same. Whats crazy is back then there were underground labels like Loud records, Duck Down records, Ruthless Records, RapALot records and many more labels just like that i can't remember at the time. Everybody who was respected got spins on the radio. Now all they play is club bullshit. Its cool but i only like that shit when im partying not when im driving. What Havoc is saying is correct. Dudes don't put out music for albums no more, they put out an album worth of corny attempts to make a single. Its not always the artist fault but these labels for the most part controll these artist music and its people in office who don't know whats going on. Back then labels found talent. Litterally they when to certain hoods and found talent. Now they look for the next gimmick online. One more thing, someone said all music isn't a special event just rap music. I beg to differ, cause RandB and rock ain't the same either. And Pop music is promoting that gay shit more and more.(no offense)Shit ain't the same with no genre of music in my opinion right now. Can't compare Michael Jackson's Thriller to any pop bullshit album that comes out today.(maybe Justin Timberlake or something)With all that said its still good music out there. Just gotta found it.

    • Harlem's Reckoning

      The 90's gave us Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt, Ready To Die, 36 Chambers, Cuban Linx, The Chronic, Doggystyle, It's Dark and Hell is Hot, Venni Vetti Vecci, All Eyez On Me, and those are just the commercial joints. Nothing from 2000 on has had the magnitude of these albums so I'll say the 90's set the standard high and that standard has not been eclipsed. I also agree that there is outstanding music out there that people are either too lazy or too programmed to listen to.

    • 905

      You sound like the bitter one man. He's right, underground hip-hop is just as meaningful and well made as mainstream 90s Hip-Hop was. In fact most of the cats who used to be big in the 90s are now in the underground scene. Do you're homework before you start acting all bitter.

    • Teak

      What type of crack are you smoking? The music of the 90s was much much much better than now....just like the music of the 70s was better than the 80s. I can tell you missed out on the 90s and you are salty about it, but lying to yourself wont change the facts.

  • Anonymous

    lol mobb deep: one classic wonder

  • ME

    Rap music has lost its value... the only genre of music that gives away FREE music Niggas drop hundreds of FREE songs, because its too easy to do.. Anybody can be a rapper nowadays

  • Anonymous

    Replace music with rap and you would be more accurate cause there is still a lot of different types of music out there that are special.

  • YouSerious?

    No surprise that this guy would lament about the 90's.

  • Anonymous

    agree with everything he said

  • Hip Hop please

    This reminds me of one of Suge Knight's tactics, in a good way Deathrow Records artists had features from other Deathrow artists Atleast most of the time, that's why their albums sounded like albums Not single-orientated bullcrap filled with non-talented hyped-up "rappers"

  • BLACK

    HASN'T BEEN A SPECIAL EVENT FOR MOBB DEEP IN A LOOOOOOOOONG TIME

  • Anonymous

    And during the 90s people said the exact same thing about every rapper in the game they say now, that includes every one of your favorites. I remember what they said about 2pac, about Death Row, about Biggie, about Wu, about rappers from the late 90s and so on and its not what you hear internet geeks saying now. The radio was NOT that balanced either unless you talk about the late night mix shows or street/underground radio shows. They played what gave the stations more ratings. Ask a hipster now and they really think their favorites that werent selling alot of records got that much play which is inaccurate. Im not a listener or a fan of most of the music now but so much of what these legends say about the 90s is not reality, its just a business move they doing trust me. In 10 years the kids now will talk about how their era was real and how they grew up on better music and how the current music is bullshit.

    • Man Man Listen!

      Man ya'll buggin since 96' clear channel bought out the radio waves. so shortly after there were less and less stations able to play what they wanted. They only play what Clear channel approved of. Hence the bullshit that's out now! It's all to corrupt the minds man y'all know that! Peace!

    • p

      If people BUY, SUPPORT & LISTEN how can we get that to happen?

    • wu wear

      Of course there was PM Dawn, Ski-Lo, Coolio, Ahmad, Warren G, Domino, Monie Love, Father MC, Digital Underground, Positive K, and The Pharcyde - and all that shit was better than Kendrick and J Cole. It's not about how many songs each artist got on air, it's about the songs themselves. When's the last time a song like Mama Said Knock You Out got regular rotation? Ghetto Bastard? Cream? Murder Was The Case? The songs I mentioned got play all day, every day, on 94.5 WZOU in Boston. Once they switched to JAMN 94.5 in the late 90's they became bullshit.

    • MR.Wow

      What the hell are you idiots talking about saying rap records didn't get spins on the radio in the 90's. Do you know how many people were employed to track and get spins on the radio? Do you? Do you know how much money went into poster boards, flats, sampler tapes, 12 inches for DJ's to spin, food and drinks for music day at the stations, and can't forget payola. I can see most of you were in your diapers in the 90's and didn't hear it cuzz you were to busy watching Barney and Blue clues. Any nigga ever promoted a record in the 90's and early 2000's will tell ya how easy it was to get a record spin compared to now. Not to mention how the DJ's lost power to break records in the 2000's. 90's artist sold more records than todays artist regardless of how many spins and adds they got from stations. And for you Mobb Deep haters just know that they do have a plat album out there for them to be underground. Wu Tang has plats for them to be underground. Underground records in the 90's sold more than underground records now. Some of you youngins think you know the game but if you weren't there or connected to it shut up and listen to those that were there or better yet go do the research and look at them numbers. And to be clear Jermaine Dupree started all that sales means everything ish to prove he was richer and had more hits than puffy. Jay Z in 98 didn't have the history to talk like that.

    • Anonymous

      @wu wear Are you serious? When Snoop & Dre blew everybody was jocking the sound, & what "underground fans" say about mainstream artist today they said about Snoop & Dre at the time. Stop it. Radio stations did not play Ice Cube that much until his "The Predator"/"Lethal Injection" days when he switched up his style, flow & started to follow the trends more. The songs they played by Cube were songs that represented or resembled what was going on at the time musically. 1993/1994, when everybody was on a funk trip, they played "You Know How We Do", the song with George Clinton. Before you had Das Efx & when they blew "Check Yo' Self" didnt get play until they got on the remix. They played like 1 House of Pain song, stop it. 2 Live Crew? You think 2 Live Crew were considered dope or part of real hip-hop? They were considered worse than what ppl consider Young Money & them Wayne now. People did not respect them at all. Naughty By Nature had about 3 songs that got play between their 1st album up until their 3rd. Geto Boys? So name a song outside of "Mind Playing Tricks On Me" that they spun? Kendrick is getting play right? J Cole got play right? Always been the game. Dope artist get some play but bs artist get more play cuz ppl respond to it more. Ppl like us are more than just casual listeners, we're fans of the genre & the culture but theres more ppl who arent & they love those songs cuz they think they are fun. Its also about WHEN did those songs you say get play? HOW MANY TIMES? So youre off. Rappers who were considered garbage got more play than a Wu or whoever. Internet geeks who werent born or kids at the time act like the same thing going on now wasnt the same thing back in the 90s. If people BUY, SUPPORT & LISTEN more to certain songs then radio are gonna play more of those songs. When Mobb Deep were out older ppl complained about how rap was a fad, how they used to rap about how dope they were on the mic instead of shooting and killing each other on songs, how their live performances sucked compared to back then and so on. They were constantly comparing the current rappers with KRS, Public Enemy, Rakim, Kane, Run DMC, Bambaataa and so on.

    • wu wear

      I disagree. In the early 90's radio played Ice Cube, Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg, House of Pain, Wu Tang, Cypress Hill, 2pac, Bone Thugs, 2 Live Crew, Naughty by Nature, and Geto Boyz in regular rotation - 40 spins a day - and this was in Boston. Shit was on the radio cuz it was dope not because it was made for the radio.

    • Anoymous too

      The radio was never balanced then or now, but what was being played then was more good than bad. At least we had rappers that could actually rap no matter how tired you get listening to the same thing, I would hear Mo Money Mo problems 10 times an hour and hated it, but you couldn't deny BIG skills. You should be afraid of what's gonna come out to have the new music fans hating on younger ones.

    • Anonymous

      FINALLY! Someone that actually remembers! Cosign to the fullest

    • Ls

      In part you are right, time does give way to hyperbole. However, real recognize real. 1986. If you can't recognize the drastic (and widening) gap between music output and overall quality then you should reevaluate.

  • boss

    havoc speaks the damn truth.

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