Lord Finesse Recalls Being "Shocked" When Notorious B.I.G. Used His Beat On "Suicidal Thoughts"

Lord Finesse gives Fuse a look at his immense collection of records, talks Biggie and "Suicidal Thoughts."

Notorious B.I.G.’s “Suicidal Thoughts” may arguably be one of the most prominent tracks on the late rapper’s debut album, Ready To Die, but according to Lord Finesse, he was a little leery of what Biggie had in store for the beat which he produced.

During Fuse’s Crate Diggers segment, Lord Finesse shared the details of his interactions with Biggie and the initial shock he felt after being informed that his beat was used on Ready To Die’s closing song, “Suicidal Thoughts.”

“When I heard this dude, it started with the ‘Party & Bullshit’ remix. When I had a chance to really hear this dude flow I knew he was exceptional then. Just his flow, 'cause it just bounced all over and it came back on beat. I’m playing him beats and he picks this just God-forsaken, don’t-let-me-catch-you-in-the-alley beat. I’m like, ‘What you gonna do with that?’…As a producer I don’t wanna just sell you a beat to make a dollar. I want to make sure you gonna do something incredible with it and I never heard the record until it came out. And when I heard it it was just like crazy. I just remember somebody telling me ‘Yo, your joint made the album’…It actually closes the album. I was shocked.”

Later in the interview, Lord Finesse went on to speak on his collection of about 10,000 records, a collection that he says has been referred to as the “low-fat collection” due to the accuracy of his various records.

Lord Finesse made headlines last year after suing rapper Mac Miller over "Kool Aid & Frozen Pizza," featured on the Rostrum Records artist’s K.I.D.S. mixtape. A settlement was reached in the lawsuit earlier this month.

RELATED: Mac Miller Provides Update On Settlement With Lord Finesse

69 Comments

  • Anonymous

    To the idiot fag poster below. Lord Finesse= Legend Mac Miller= Bitchboy

  • Anonymous

    "This happens all the time" That's the point, it doesn't. This was a money grab because MM is getting caked up while Finesse is eating cake.

    • Anonymous

      YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON WHO PICKS AND CHOOSES WHICH POINTS YOU WANT TO RESPOND TO BECAUSE YOU CANT SAY SHIT ABOUT ANY OF THE FACTS OR TRUTH ON THIS MATTER WHITE KID STOLE HIS BEAT, AND SOLD IT WITHOUT PAYING, IT WASNT A FREE MIXTAPE OR SOME INTERNET FREESTYLE

  • big ron

    finesse is my man from child hood this new rapper used his music and got paid and started to get hot pay what you owe and move on

  • Jon

    You have to purchase a beat to make money off it if you didn't create it. If you use it without permission for financial gain, you get sued. This happens all the time. Get over it, bump 2 Chainz and Mac Miller, and don't pretend like you know shit about hip-hop. Mad MCs are creating original and creative music underground while a few get rich off the same damn sound. "Return of the gangsta, thanks ta' Them niggas that think you soft And say y'all be gospel rappin' But they be steady clappin' when you talk about Bitches & switches & hoes & clothes & weed Let's talk about time travelin' rhyme javelin Somethin' mind unravelin' get down"

    • Anonymous

      There's a new shit head poppin up every minute. What MM did has been happening for years. Yes, he could have been a bit more respectful about it, but he wasn't. Get over it. He shelled out a few bucks, and that's that. Doesn't change the fact Finesse is a has been looking for quick paydays to make himself feel new again.

  • stankinASS

    Mac Miller took the beat without permission, and got sued for it, thats the way it is, pretty simple stuff. I support Lord Finesse, DITC!!!

  • Anonymous

    "SELLING WHITE LABELS OF BEATS OR UNRELEASED SONGS OVERSEAS ISN'T THE SAME AS SOME RAPPER TAKING A CONSTRUCTED BEAT & USING IT WITHOUT PERMISSION ON A MIXTAPE WHILE GETTING PAID @ SHOWS" He got paid at shows because of his name. You act like that instrumental is the key to his whole success. You keep skirting the fact that "every" rapper does this, or has done this at some point. The fact is the old bastard got mad when some suburban white boy didn't roll over and act like he was God, but instead of just saying it was foul, he revealed his true bitch ways and made it about money. That's the true epitome of a bitch made motherfucker. Mac just fed this bum's kids. BTW... There's nothing lower than a waterboy in any game. That's why you own that label. You're a stool sample at best, my friend. Frank Ocean's wet dream when he's trying to think of someone more pussy than he is.

    • Anonymous

      you keep skirting the fact that he was selling the mixtape and song online. you cant compare this to no name rappers freestyling over beats on mixtapes. the only reason he got paid at shows was from the hype from his mixtapes which included beats he jacked from people like lord finesse, kool aid and frozen pizza was one of his biggest songs which he profited from greatly, through online sales of the song and youtube views. we're not talking about a shook ones freestyle or some shit like that. this jew was selling his song without paying the man who created it. typical jew shit why wont you respond to the FACT that mac miller was selling kool aid and frozen pizza online for money and didnt pay for the beat. you are a fucking idiot 100%, stop hatin on finesse because if it wasnt for him your fav rappers wouldnt be here today

  • Armin van Buuren

    The shit y'all stupid fucks fail to realize is that Lord Finesse's beat was based around a sample itself, therefore, he's NOT in the position of saying his beat was "stolen". And by the way, he should be "shocked" that he ain't made a hot song since 1996.

    • SCHWARZ

      AYE ARMIN UR DA STUPID FCUK DON'T GO AWAY MAD JUST GO AWAY COSIGN THESE FCUKBOIS ALL IN THEIR EMOTIONS BUT OVERLOOKING "the judge understood that or mac miller wouldnt have settled out of court" JUST TO POST THEIR RACIAL UNDERTONES

    • Anonymous

      you're a fucking moron if you think using a sample or two to create an original piece of music compares to taking that whole piece of original music (with or without samples he still created it and made it into something totally different) without permission from the producer and profiting from it clearly the judge understood that or mac miller wouldnt have settled out of court

  • Anonymous

    The resident Waterboy shows up once again. Hey pal. Did you just wake up from your afternoon nap? lol Seriously. It shouldn't be this easy to wound your logic, but for old time's sake, here goes.... Did you know Finesse presses alot of his rare records and sells them in Japan and the UK for $60-150? Of course you didn't. You never do your homework.

    • SCHWARZ

      SELLING WHITE LABELS OF BEATS OR UNRELEASED SONGS OVERSEAS ISN'T THE SAME AS SOME RAPPER TAKING A CONSTRUCTED BEAT & USING IT WITHOUT PERMISSION ON A MIXTAPE WHILE GETTING PAID @ SHOWS & SELLING IT ONLINE HO THAT WAS A FUTILE DISPLAY OF KNOWLEDGE WHILE SKIRTING THE ACTUAL CONTENT OF THE DEBATE IF MAC WAS SO RIGHT Y SETTLE W/O A FIGHT? A PAYOUT WITH A GAG ORDER IS AN OLD TACTIC THAT WREAKS OF GUILT BP DID THE SAME WITH THE GULF SPILL & EVEN A WATERBOY IS AT THE GAME HE CAN TELL U WHAT WHAT POPS OFF ON THE SIDELINE UR HOME THINKING U KNOW WHAT ALL THE EXECUTIVES & PLAYERS THINK & KNOW WHAT THEY GET PAID IF U WERE A REAL GROWN MAN U WOULD STOP TRYING 2 ACT LIKE MR KNOW IT ALL & STFU IF LORD FINESSE WAS SO BROKE & DESPERATE HE WOULD HAVE ASKED FOR A FEE AROUND A QUARTER MIL 4 THE BEAT WHEN THEY SUPPOSEDLY "ASKED" 4 PERMISSION BUT A BITCHMADE CLOWN LIKE U WOULD OVERLOOK THIS 2 SAY SOME IRRELEVANT SH!T LIKE OVERSEAS RECORD SALES 2 JUSTIFY UR "KNOWLEDGE"

  • Anonymous

    "Mac Miller stole his song and didn't give him credit" He borrowed his instrumental, something which thousands of rappers do on mixtapes all the time. Even if by principle MM should have given him credit, do you believe he deserved 10 million? No way. No how.

    • Anonymous

      he didnt get 10 million though thats how it works, you sue for some ridiculous amount and then settle for something more reasonable you keep neglecting the fact that mac miller was selling his mixtape online with the song he made with finesse's beat (not a sample) but he didnt pay him for that. were not talking about a free mixtape.

  • adsa

    the only niggas defending lord finesse on this site is the old ass bum niggas that time forgot. face it, LF aint relevant in todays music world if you ask the majority of 13-20 year old's(this genres target audience) who he is barely anyone could tell you.

    • Anonymous

      Shut the fuck up and suck a dick. I notice the only people dissing Lord Finesse are young, close-minded retards like you.

  • Anonymous

    "lord finesse dont need publicity from mac miller, hes already a legend in the game, why you think mac miller idolized him and wanted to use his beats?" If he was a legend he wouldn't have cried like a baby and sued for 10 mill over an instrumental. Hundreds of rappers who have come before MM have done it and never been sued. It's obvious why Finesse did what he did. This so called legend is broke and saw a payday in the rearview mirror of the bus he rides every morning.

    • Anonymous

      he has beats on biggies album so you know he's far from broke quoteman yes other artists rap over instrumentals and its not usually an issue because they put them on free mixtapes and and dont try to sell it online

    • SCHWARZ

      SINCE U KNO LORD FINESSE WAS BROKE TELL US WHAT HIS BANK ACCOUNT WAS LOOKING LIKE & WHAT BANK HE DEALT WITH FCUKBOI WE KNOW FROM THE LL COOL J ARTICLE U WOULD COWER LIKE A BITCH IF SOMEONE WAS ROBBING U SO UR BULLSH!T "OPINION" DOESN'T MATTER BUT RIDDLE ME THIS HO IF MAC WAS SO RIGHT & HAD A CASE Y DID HE/THEY SETTLE? U KNOW EVERY MOTHAFCUKING THING ABOUT EVERYBODY ANSWER THE ?

    • Anonymous

      You're a fucking idiot. Mac Miller stole his song and didn't give him credit. Lord Finesse had a right to sue. And Lord Finesse is FAR from broke. This dude made hits for other artists. Just because a nigga ain't on Forbes doesn't mean he doesn't have dough.

  • stylz

    only uneducated, bit@hass dudes got something negative to say about Lord Finesse.. ni99a get ur weight and research up and do some homework before u speak on a god/founding father like him..

  • stylz

    nuff respect LF.. i'm a harlem cat who's older than u but i also grew up on u.. i love ur humility, honesty, and realness ni99a!! keep being urself and rise to the top!!

  • damn

    finesse need to give miller back that money just for publicity he gave him alone

    • Anonymous

      lord finesse dont need publicity from mac miller, hes already a legend in the game, why you think mac miller idolized him and wanted to use his beats?

  • YEBO

    HE IS NOT RELEVANT AND WHAT IS EVEN WORSE, HE TRIES TO KILL ORIGINAL HIP HOP PRINCIPLES BY HIS FUCKING LAWSUITS WITH MAC MILLER. AND MAKING SONGS WITH OVERRATED BIGGIE IS NOT WHAT YOU SHOULD BE PROUD FOR, ESPECIALLY IF YOUR SONG IS THE WORST SONG ON READY TO DIE. AND HIS BEATS SUCKS, HE IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THE RUNNERS, J.R. ROTEM, AKON, DRUMMA BOY, LEX LUGER AND OTHER RELEVANT PRODUCERS.

    • Anonymous

      not relevant?? ni99a when were u born?? u better watch ur mouth when speaking about a man of LF's stature in this hip hop s#it!! ur comment alone shows ur age and how stupid u are.. and when u find out the truth about this man U BETTER educate ur youngins aboout him so they dont make the same dumb-ass mistakes u just did by posting some ignorant s#it about a legend.. he opened the door for all the dudes u just mentioned.. and DONT EVER FORGET THAT..

    • Jon

      I'm 22 and most of what I listen to is from the 21st century. That doesn't make the '90s irrelevant; good music is good music. Stringing together and layering samples is not stealing melodies. It creates an entirely new and unique beat that simultaneously pays homage to the music from the '60s, '70s and '80s. And what rappers from the 21st century are you referring to? Pharoahe Monch? Brother Ali? Murs? Nas? Lupe? Kendrick Lamar? MF Doom? Ab-Soul? If so, you might have a point. If not, I respect that we have different ears for music. All I'm saying is that without the "irrelevant" music from the '80s and '90s, hip-hop as you know it never exists.

    • Anonymous

      you dont respect the legends but you got love for these kids making beats on fruity loops with pirated software? that takes so much skill!!!!

    • YEBO

      YOU ARE JOKIN' RIGHT? NONE OF THE PRODUCERS YOU MENTIONED ARE RELEVANT IN 21ST CENTURY. GO, GET THE TIME MACHINE, GET YOUR ASS BACK TO 90S AND LISTEN TO ALL OF THAT IRRELEVANT SHIT. MAYBE IT WAS A DEVELOPEMENT BUT NOW WE HAVE BETTER RAPPERS AND PRODUCENTS, IT FEELS LIKE RIGHT NOW IS THE GOLDEN ERA OF HIP HOP. ALL THIS DUMB FUCKS CAN ONLY SAMPLE OLD MUSIC, THEY ARE NOT REAL COMPOSERS, ALMOST ALL OF THE PREMIER'S BEATS ARE SAMPLED, HOW COULD I RESPECT HIM? FOR JACKING AND STEALING MELODIES? YOU HAVE PRODUCERS LIKE THAT ONES I MENTIONED, MOST OF THEIR SONGS ARE NOT SAMPLED BUT ALL ORIGINAL AND FRESH MELODIES.

    • Jon

      You're just being ironic, right? Lord Finesse is a legend who was making beats before the jokes you cited were even out of diapers. DJ Premier, Pete Rock, Dr. Dre, 9th Wonder, Madlib, J. Dilla, DJ Shadow, RJD2, etc. are responsible for pure hip-hop while others sell their soul to make a dollar. Smh.

  • Nem

    wanna know why i lost respect for finesse? he said if joey bada$$ used his beats he wouldnt sue...making it obvious hes either racist, or has a personal vendetta towards miller...i respect finesse as a producer, legendary producer, but as a person hes a scumbag...hes like a kanye type,fuck that nigga

    • Big Bang Theory

      What pisses me off bout the nerds is they post they opinions like it will matter after they post it. Fucking online geek niggas.

    • Anonymous

      im sure hes not gonna lose sleep at night knowing some kid on the internet doesnt respect him anymore, even though you probably never bought any of his music before anyway

  • afromnc

    how dude on here say Biggie suxs dude Biggie taught most of these rappers their swag just ask jay-z and nas

  • Anonymous

    Did he charge Big 10 milli for the beat?....this guy is the epitome of a thirsty lame.....

    • Anonymous

      No because he got credit for the beat and keeps getting paid for it with every RTD copy sold. Mac Miller was cool until he started making money of a beat Finesse authorized for the FREE mixtape, itunes changed the whole picture in that agreement.

    • Tony

      Nah, dudes with skills don't get charged 10 million per beat, only fuckboys like you and Mac miller.

  • So Icy Bo!

    Biggie sucks. Suicidal Thoughts? lmao... diz nigga was an emo-rapper. lmao! Lil Wayne or Rick Ross would never kill himself... just sayin... fuck diz emo shit. fuck Eminem! fuck BIG! swag Lord Finesses besats are fucken wack. Mac Miller is a better artist. swag

  • KEMET STRONG!

    I just marvel at the fact of how hiphopdx post up something about lord finesse after the whole mac miller story just to kind of piss off this cowardly newbie generation! You already KNOW they are uptight angry and fuckin miserable when they log on to your website regardless to whoever the story is about...so what makes you think they are gonna care about lord finesse,HIP HOP ROYALTY...something they can NEVER change no matter how much they try, producing another CLASSIC song for one of the GOAT... Biggie smalls? Thats like the last thing they wanna hear lol! "lord finesse samples too"! You fuckin wimp! Malcolm X was right integration was OUR downfall! White people would be EXTINCT by now if we had it our way! take the black man woman and child out of america and what do you got? utter chaos amongst the demons...fuck a mac miller and all the authentic hip hop he tryin to learn about...

    • Anonymous

      MISPLACED HATRED LIKE THE GUY WHO SHOT UP HINDU'S THINKING THEY WERE MOOSALIMS? LIKE COLORADO WHO POPPED EVERYONE HE DIDN'T KNOW? LIKE CONNECTICUT WHO OFF'D KIDS? LIKE YOUNG'UN WHO KILLED HIS FAMILY IN NEW MEXICO & WAS GONNA SHOOT UP WAL-MART? THOSE WERE BLACKMEN WHO HATE? RIIIGGGHHHTTTTTT THESE INCIDENTS R ALL ISOLATED HUH? BUT CHICAGO IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM CORRECT? FOHWTBS

    • Jon

      There are white guys who appreciate pure hip-hop and I'm one of them. Don't demonize an entire race because the far right doesn't understand the color of your skin means nothing. Malcolm completely changed his views after visiting the Mecca before he was tragically assassinated. Integration will only work when we realize race is made up thing.

    • Anonymous

      this further proves the blackmon is full of misplaced hatred cant say im surprised at the # of murders in chitown after reading this. wasnt x killed by a black man too?

    • ripBigL

      ^^ i tried reading that when i was stoned and it made me feel dizzy and sick.

    • Anonymous

      I agree with a lot of what your saying but there's also black wack miller fans.

    • Erase Racism

      I agree Miller's whack but don't use it as an excuse to preach your gospel of "Kill Whitey" .... ya racist fuck! And if it weren't for Rick Rubin & Russel Simmons 'intergrating' they would have never created Def Jam & have helped Hip Hop blow up to a universal level... learn something now, ya dumb bitch!?

    • James

      you my friend are a gentleman and a scholar

  • Anonymous

    http://www.datpiff.com/pop-mixtape-player.php?id=me7b2176

  • Nem

    i just think 10 mil was too much...thats a HUGE scoop out of the ice cream that is mac millers net worth....that song was prolly 20% of his success, worth 2-3 mill max...

  • reality1212

    salute the god Finesse!

  • LEGENDARY SHIT R.I.P BIGGIE

    True BX Hip Hop legend, Wack Miller can't fuck with it. Platinum off the strength.

  • SMH

    Pay homage you little clowns! Fuck Mac Miller's cheesy ass! Finesse is a legend! Mac Miller will NEVER be a legend! And stop counting his money for him your groupie ass clowns! Gold digging smuts counts the next mans money!

  • church

    LF beats banned around these parts... Lame you couldn't have come to better terms???

  • Anonymous

    Fuck Finesse, you never sue anyone for sampling, this is hip-hop, and fuck Mac Miller because he sucks

    • Anonymous

      he took the whole beat all of it not a sample the whole damm thing thats stealing i could see if it was the drum set or like a couple sounds to sample but the whole fucking beat yo

    • Anonymous

      it wasnt a fucking sample. miller jacked his whole beat and didnt pay him to use it even when they went on to sell it online

  • RC

    Finesse is a legend who will always have place in the Hip-Hop communit. mac miller is a wannabe cornball rapper who will be forgotten just like vanilla ice or fred durst. Props to Finesse handling his buisness.

    • Anonymous

      Yea on paper MC Hammer was supposed to be a millionair set for life too, obviously that didn't play out. Dollars & "swag" don't get written into the history books homie, that money goes pretty fast the day you're living that superstar lifestyle but not making that superstar salary anymore.

    • Anonymous

      dont hate on miller, he just doing his thing on the independent label!! making miliions. when he play out, he's still going to be rich as fuck!!!!

  • Anonymous

    ur a bitch for suing mcmiller

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