Mac Miller Settles $10 Million Lawsuit Filed By Lord Finesse

Exclusive: The fate of "Kool Aid & Frozen Pizza," and possibly many mixtapes, appears to have been decided, as Mac Miller ends his controversial legal entanglement with Lord Finesse.

In a stunning conclusion to a shocking lawsuit filed by legendary Hip Hop producer Lord Finesse back in July, Mac Miller has apparently agreed to settle the $10 million copyright infringement suit alleging that Miller’s 2010 song “Kool Aid & Frozen Pizza” – which was built atop the instrumental track to Finesse’s 1995 single, “Hip 2 Da Game” – was publicly performed and distributed without Finesse’s consent.   

According to court records obtained by HipHopDX, a successful settlement conference for this case was conducted in front of U.S. Magistrate Judge Henry B. Pitman for the Southern District of New York on December 6, 2012.

A settlement conference is a mandatory mediation attempt initiated by the trial judge, which Federal District Judge Harold Baer ordered on September 21, 2012.   

The settlement conference process is confidential and details as to the terms of the settlement reached between the involved parties are not disclosed to anyone other than Judge Baer.

Requests for comment on this apparent settlement were nonetheless submitted to Lord Finesse via email but have yet to be replied to as of press time. 

Stay tuned to HipHopDX for the final details of this settlement once they become available.

RELATED: Rostrum Records Responds To Lord Finesse Lawsuit

155 Comments

  • Chuck Brown

    I rhyme better than that clown!! www.ChuckRhymesBetterThanYou.com

  • Anonymous

    I disagree with the lawsuit, but honestly, it was a great Lord Finesse song that utterly got trashed, so maybe its a good thing Finesse gets that money.

  • ANON/b/

    The majority of you are fucking STUPID. Talking about "pay James Brown, Albert King" blah blah blah. It's called fucking CLEARING A SAMPLE. Whereas Mac's cracker ass JACKED Finesse's WHOLE FUCKING SONG, attracted MILLIONS of views on YouTube and you KNOW Mac is getting paid off ads for all of his videos. Thanks to all you white people supporting Hip-Hop, but sometimes y'all just need to STFU if you dont know what you're talking about.

  • Taliben

    White people been robbing black people forever and getting away with it. Glad Mac did they right thing and settled. For the record Mac Millers success 2011&2012 does not compare to Lord Finesse's in 90-91.

    • M

      Theres racial undertones to the situation. Taliben has a point. Mac Miller is like the modern day Elvis Presley(Culture jacker), no black rappers have managed to go number 1 independently in a long time, or garner that much attention without cooning out to get on a major deal. So the question is raised. Would Mac Miller have had the same impact If he were black? Everyone knows by now that hes a terrible rapper and his image appeals to a wider audience, namely the white/black suburban/12-19/female demographic. Ultimately he knows this and others around him knew that, making him profitable.

    • cb

      has nothing to do with black or white you fuck.

  • Calvin Belair

    Pretty sure Mac didn't sell this record and make money off of it? The track "Kool Aid & Frozen Pizza" was on his mixtape "KIDS" which was a free download online, datpiff etc. I'm not a fan of Mac but a 10 mil lawsuit seems stupid.

    • Anonymous

      as well as touring? dude i think finesse should choke on a dick and die too but he did have grounds to file this.. did he morally know that this was a frivalous lawsuit? damn fuckin right, thats all its about people.. money.. it reveals who the true RATS are.

    • Anonymous

      you're pretty wrong because they were selling the song on amazon and another website

  • Anonymous

    he stole the whole beat sold it for profit/proformed it and thinks he doesnt have to pay royalties karmas a bitch

  • Anonymous

    I agree with Ash. Lord Finesse is a broke bum. Sounds like Lord Finesse's cousin is reply to everyones comment here.

  • Ash

    Lord Finesse sampled james brown, ohio players, albert king, the sultans and the list goes on and on. If I was any of these artists I'd be taking Lord finesse to court right about now for some of that ten mill pie

  • Anonymous

    i definetly feel for lord finesse on this one but he shouldnt have brought it to this level i mean hip hop was created off of mashing samples up from others music and no one ever gave credit everyone needs to watch copyright criminals

  • Anonymous

    "you think he is supposed to appreciate and respect mac miller for jacking his beat" If MM was black he wouldn't have cared. That's the sad thing here. Because it was a corny white dude suddenly it became about the principle.

  • djjamad

    Finesse deserves what he is due. Miller got some more publicity too. Win Win! They both prob working together. makes sense to me. Calm down people. Understand how the game works.

  • Truth

    Props to Lord Finesse. This fake ass white suburban rappin kid jacks this man's beat and jump starts his career off of it and expected not to compensate nor give credit.... That's biting, thats not Hip Hop. If Mac was justified then his lawyers would not have reached a settlement... Case closed

  • Anonymous

    no way he paid 10 mil. this is how these things go. 1. sue for an outrageous sum 2. settle for less

  • AJ

    http://nahright.com/news/2013/01/16/video-young-guru-on-piracy-invention/ perfect timing...

  • AJ

    you guys are ridiculous finesse gave him permission for the beat as long as it was free as soon as it wen tup on Itunes was the issue..... Ethically they are both in wrong but Mac breached the conditions....

  • Anonymous

    Why isnt MC Shan, NAS, RUN DMC, Scarface, members of the Jungle Brothers etc and the hundreds of other people in the game chasing people that use their beats and make money off them? Maybe because they have more sense and appreciate and respect others that use their material to promote music. B1tch ass Lord Finesse sounds like he tired of visiting the food bank and looked at paper chasing young up and coming rappers.

    • Anonymous

      you cant sell another persons work without paying them common sense you think he is supposed to appreciate and respect mac miller for jacking his beat and selling it without giving him a cut or paying to use it? fuck you kids are retarded

    • Anonymous

      Mrs Mac Miller stays losing

  • YODA

    I LOVE IT HOW YOU YOUNG KIDS COME ON HERE AND TRY TO DEBATE ABOUT THINGS YOU HAVE NOW IDEA ABOUT ITS THE EQUIVIVLANT TO A BUNCH OF FEMALES TALKING ABOUT A MANS DICK....ESPECIALLY YOU WHITE SUBURBAN BOYS WHO FEEL YOU KNOW THE HIP HOP INDUSTRY INSIDE AND OUT CLEARLY YOU DONT AND NEVER WILL ...WORD OF ADVISE DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE...FISHIES

    • lol

      how u know ppl are white though? lmao last i check u cant see what color a person is thru there screename.. on top of that this is a hiphopdx site meaning this site geared more for niggas.. u just sound ignorant as fuck

    • Anonymous

      stop typing in caps SMH fool.

  • TruthFully

    Just imagine you working for a week or even just a day and somebody else collecting your paycheck. Cause that's what this is. You can get fame through using beats on free mixtapes but when you start making money from it, directly, then pay your dues.

  • Anonymous

    this nigga schwartz a fool. that song was out before it got included on the mixtape

    • SCHWARZ

      In early 2010, Miller signed with Rostrum Records. Rostrum president Benjy Grinberg met Miller while recording with Wiz Khalifa at ID Labs. K.I.D.S. was released by the label in August 2010. +++++++++++ CRITICAL THINKING SAYS HE WAS SIGNED EARLY '10, DROPPED THE SONG IN '10, UPLOADED A VIDEO TO THE SONG ON VIMEO 7/26/10, MIXTAPE DROPS ON DATPIFF 8/13/10 THERE'S A SUCH THING AS A LEADOFF 1ST SINGLE TO GAIN INTEREST

  • JR

    Salty ass bitch move. No matter how it's put. Bitch move. Have fun dying from a heart attack you fat ass washed up clown.

    • stankinASS

      hells yea Lord Finnesse!! get his lil jew rappin ass, mac millers wack as fuck and he can definitly afford that shit hes got a new show coming on MTV and he did allthose wack ass soda commercials, thats the name of the game, you jack shit and make money off it then your gonna get sued for copyright infringement, its the whole reason shit is copyrighten to begin with. And anyone dissin Lord Finnesse is a new jack rookie ass clown that doesnt truly know their hip hop.

    • Anonymous

      ^nah, u the faggot

    • Anonymous

      wow, you are a true faggot

  • Anonymous

    most people seem to forget that mac miller didn't have a deal when that song came out. plus it was a freestyle no hook nothing and he got sued for 10 million dollars. he's not even a mainstream artist who makes that much money.

    • Anonymous

      being signed or not doesnt matter, he was still selling the song and getting youtube money off another mans work

    • Anonymous

      no he wasn't signed dummy. he was 18 when he did that song and that was before he signed.go listen to his interview on sway.lord finesse got salty when it hit 20,000,000 views on youtube.and how come haven't talked about it cos he a broke ass nigga tryin to seat back and sue young guys.

    • SCHWARZ

      YES HE WAS SIGNED "KIDS" WAS THRU ROSTRUM IF IT WAS A FREESTYLE IT WOULD B NAMED "HIP 2 DA GAME FREESTYLE" YOU'VE BEEN HOODWINKED INTO THINKING HE'S A RAP LOVING WHITE KID WHO IS A STARVING ARTIST CHILLING WITH HIS MAINSTREAM HOMEBOY & LABELMATE WIZ KHALIFA SMMFH

  • Anonymous

    for 10 million id sue his ass too! he didnt play by the rules so he gotta pay up!

  • Anonymous

    this SMH dude been here since yesterday responding to comments. dude lord finesse acted like a douche hate it or love it plus i dont think he even got much gwop.

    • SMH

      You're just mad that the free ride is over! F*ck Mac Miller. He got to pay for using a beat that's not his! The rest of you leaches trying to be rappers better get your money up for beats... Finesses acted like a business man. It's obvious that you know nothing about business. Your probably still asking your mother for money or stealing out her purse! When you learn about business then talk! Until the at least try to help your mother pay the internet bill. The age of of riding the next mans coat tails to get your buzz up is over! Deal with it clown!

  • x

    Yo, thats a win! Party at Finesse crib!

  • Shit

    Shit was settled which doesn't mean he got the full amount. It is like in Mexico. The police set you up with drugs in your pocket then arrest you. They ask for 25K to get out but will take $20 if that is all you have.

  • Hip Hop Fan

    I don't understand how people are saying that Lord Finesse is in the wrong. Yes, Mac sampled the song and yes its on a mixtape but rappers in todays game actually tour off mixtape tracks and songs. So for people to say that you can take any song for a mixtape and not profit from it is a lie. Classic example is how Mac, ASAP Rocky and even Trinidad James all performed off mixtapes. So Lord Finesse did what he had to do to make his royalty and money from someone making money off of his previous work. You also have to take into consideration that in the older days the record company would take lots of money from artists where in todays game because of new marketing techniques, artists can make similar money going the independent route like Mac Miller and Macklemore have done.

    • rannn

      well if the mixtape is free and you are not taking anything for advertising or something then i don't think you are profiting from it. Touring using those songs is profiting like you said which is where mac miller prolly went wrong. I don't listen to trinidad james but I know that ASAP rocky used original production for his mixtapes so he could use that on stage all he wants. not every mixtape is other people's instrumentals. big krit's mixtapes were original production (mostly by him), and so were kendrick's so they could do what they want. J cole on the other hand would have to pick and choose from his mixtapes based on who's beat it was.

  • SCHWARZ

    SMH: Sampling to make your own beat and using somebody's beat exactly the way they made it is 2 different things! You fools are confused! SMFH! If he had sampled a piece of the beat and made his own beat that would be different! When you take the beat and just rap to it your "jacking the beat"... Pay up! The FREE ride is over! ++++++++++++++ SALUTE 2 SMH

    • SCHWARZ

      JAY OR KANYE WOULD HAVE MADE SURE FINESSE GOT HIS LOOK @ WHAT KANYE DID 4 "NEW GOD FLOW" HE SAMPLED GHOST'S LINE & THEN HAD GHOST DROP A VERSE ON THE SAME SONG & THAT GHOST LINE IS FROM SIR IBU & GHOST PAID HIM 4 THAT YEARS AGO LET ME C U B "FLATTERED' AT WORK AND DON'T GET PAID BECAUSE UR HAPPY THEY HIRED U LMMFAO Y'ALL GONNA HAVE SERIOUS PROBLEMS OUT HERE IN THE REAL WORLD WITH THIS MENTALITY

    • Anonymous

      Pay up the free ride is over? lol Rappers have being using other people's beats for years. If this had been Jay Z or Kanye, best believe Finesse probably wouldn't have given a shit. Part of it is about race. Here's some corny, yet popular white rapper getting shine off an instrumental to a long forgotten song. I think while Mac Miller could have been more respectful about the whole thing, it's not like The Godfather where you have to kiss the person's hand and ask for a favor. Finesse could have just been flattered that Mac knew who he was. Doesn't mean he didn't have to like not being credited, but to the tune of 10 mill? Even Ray Charles can see the shadiness in that plan.

  • Anonymous

    Ya'll are idiots point blank Lord Finesse DID give Mac Miller permission to use his beat, BUT UNDER THE CONDITION that it would stay as free download, selling the song on itunes without paying LF is where the problem began.

  • Anonymous

    these kids hating on finesse are straight morons who dont understand let me break it down for you lets say I took the beat from a lil wayne song, rapped over it and put it on my mixtape without permission from the producer. and then I went and sold my mixtape at my concerts and online for lots of money and it became one of my best known songs which made my career. you better believe im gonna get sued for that shady ass shit

  • Baaaaaaabay!

    Ja Rule wouldn't even trip over no $10 million. That's pocket change to the Rule....babaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

  • June

    Broke ass Finesse just looking for money. SMH

    • SCHWARZ

      U DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GETTING C & D'S U DON'T KNOW IF THEY PUSHED THE PROPER PAPERS THROUGH ENGINEERS PRODUCERS PROMOTERS SMALL LABELS KNOW PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY TOO BEST BELIEVE THOSE RAPPERS U NAMED HAVE PEOPLE AT THE LABEL OR WITH ASCAP & BMI WATCHING & EVEN THEN THEY WON'T FILE UNTIL WHATEVA SONG HAS MAINSTREAM POTENTIAL HOW DO U THINK THE EAGLES GUY KNEW ABOUT FRANK OCEAN? IS HE "BROKE" LOOKING 4 A PAYDAY TOO? OR HE HAS PEOPLE AROUND HIM DOING THEIR JOB GO SIT DOWN SOMEWHERE & LEARN SOMETHING JUNE

    • June

      ^There is something wrong with you. Maybe you need to re-read what I wrote. Reading is fundamental. How come every artist in the game isn't suing other people that use their beats, voices, lines etc on mixtapes or whatever and is making money off them aren't in court? It's usually broke or the salty ones that are looking for money like Finesse (who is a legend in the game), but is looking very broke by doing this. I don't see Large Pro, Pete Rock, Q-Tip or anyone else suing people like this.

    • Anonymous

      you dont get it mac miller used his beat without permission and was selling it and making money from it

    • June

      Well I think Mac Miller is wack. Ain't nobody checking for him. All I said is Finesse is broke and looking for money. I see many rappers using Jada, Nas, Jay-z, Pac etc voices when mixing songs and sh1t. I dont see them suing or Afeni Shakur suing young cats for money. Yet Finesse just looks like he is broke and desperate by doing this. He should be honoured that young cats (whether wack like Mac Miler or not) are recognizing his work. No need to start crying kid.

    • Anonymous

      Broke ass fan sucking about to be broke ass rappers dick. The Irony

  • Anonymous

    Common sense just credit the people whose song u sampling end of story.

  • keegs

    i've seen a lot of shit about "no one should make money off mixtape songs." well... then Rocky's been touring for a while off of one... and also, plenty of artists have performed miixtape songs at concerts. i'm also drunk as fuck. fuck you faggots.

  • Poisson9

    I think there should be some sort of compensation if someone makes revenue off a mixtape using beats from hit song. Not much, but something, and I wouldn't want to see mixtapes all together stop using these beats. I find it interesting to listen to, and since the original is hard to live up to, in my opinion it really showcases an up and coming artist by giving them a platform which wasn't present a back when artist was selling so many records. Makes for better artist development since.

  • Boom-Bap Boogie

    Mac Miller got what exactly was coming to him, though I doubt he paid 10 Mill I think Finesse was in his legal right to do what he did, Mac didn't drop a "mixtape" he sold this album at concerts and at both stores & digital retailers. If he really wanted to "pay homage" to one of his "favorite" producers he would of either took his own spin or gotten another producer to do their own take on the original sample like producers did back in the day instead of taking the bitch move & biting like he did. This ain't the first time he's jacked a beat neither, you play with fire eventually you WILL get burned.

  • Andre 4500

    I doubt this will change the mixtape game

  • dj nemesis

    i dont get how this is going to change hip-hop...he sued him cuz someone put the song on itunes,and i believe cuz he performs it...if you do a track on a free mixtape and never perform it, youll hold up in court

    • MJS

      Not true. stop spreading this non-sense, and at the least take a crash course in copyright law. You cannot create a derivative work without permission. If I was a rapper with a hot song I would sue any known artist that jacked my beat. Why? Because you're diminishing the life cycle of my original song by exhausting peoples willingness to listen to it much sooner. Also, you're indirectly profiting from the songs use.

  • Anonymous

    LOL, i gotta agree.. pretty ironic how a guy who calls himself "lord finesse" is a fat piece of shit. Fucking scrub.. Never even knew his name until this lawsuit

  • Josh

    pointless lawsuit. I guess you cant make mixtapes anymore. and freestyles over other peoples beats will be gone too. the Hip Hop world is abut to change your the worst.

    • R

      Good! Personally I hate fuckin mixtapes. Cheapens the music IMO.

    • SMH!

      It's going to get better! No more hearing 100 cats rhyming to the same beat. SMH! Everybody is a f*cking rapper now because they can get a beat off of youtube to rap too. Wasn't like that before when records were actually selling. The only really rapping to other people beats was 50. Nobody was really doing it so people rocked to it... Everybody tried to use his formula, now you have a million wack a** mixtape from a bunch of unknown artists rapping to industry beats... Wake up clown! You're sleeping!

  • SMH

    Sampling to make your own beat and using somebody's beat exactly the way they made it is 2 different things! You fools are confused! SMFH! If he had sampled a piece of the beat and made his own beat that would be different! When you take the beat and just rap to it your "jacking the beat"... Pay up! The FREE ride is over!

    • Stone

      MJS just fall back SMH is correct, sampling is not the same thing as using someone's beat and selling it/making money off it. Do you know for sure Finesse didn't clear the samples? No? Then STFU Fool.

    • MJS

      How are you going to sue someone for something that you don't own? Lord Finesse's version is an unauthorized derivative work of another original song! What does that mean in legal layman's terms: Lord Finesse built a car with a stolen engine and tranny, Mac came along and stole the car he built, but put his own wheels on it.

  • xripperx

    that's a damn shame. hip-hop is based on repurposing other people's music. if it weren't for jacking other people's shit the artform wouldn't even exist.

    • R

      lol jus cuz hiphop started with using 'breaks', doesn't mean the purpose of the art overall is to 'repurpose' other people's music. lol at the way people talk shit & try sell it as 'gospel'.

  • Anonymous

    Bullshit fuck lord finnesee, and the ghetto ass people from the bronx. Mac's dope, and his track was way better than 'Hip 2 da game" Shits gay. Fuck Oldschool rap, besides the classics.

    • Marcus

      Finesse is classic man, and of course you can rock someones beat but you gotta give the man cred, miller acted like its his song. Hip 2 da game is a classic track and nobody had wordplay like finesse.

    • Anonymous

      Its the mans right to sue, you piece of shit. In this industry the number one rule is ask for clearance or settle in court. What do you know, lil fuck boy.

  • anonymous

    fuck that. thats disgraceful for a producer to do that. im no big fan of mac miller, but seriously. lord finesse built his career off of sampling, and he goes crying about one song. so what if he performed the song and made a bit of money? the fact that its over his beat is supposed to be a compliment! its an homage to his work! rediculous. hes fucking with the culture of hip hop.

    • R

      ^ Jigga is an 'old head'...but his bank balance pisses over every new rapper you fucking know...so what are you talking about? New rappers make most of their cream through live performance now

    • backinyourday...

      rappers were broke as hell. the top rappers today have way more than top rappers back then. labels used to take them for everything. how many oldheads (a.k.a. "og's") do we know stunting back in the day with all gold who are dancing outside barclays center. Only ones who came up and kept it were like run and...nobody. ya'll disowned jay...hammer fell off...pac and biggie made great financial decisions getting murked...i bet if they were around, yall woulda turned your back on them by now too. they became bigger than music by both getting clapped. they became representatives of the legend of the great cross continental beef...50 learned well from it.

    • SMH

      And it cats like you fucking up the business of the game. Ya not even buying music and your mad that a producer wants to to get paid for Mac getting a buzz from his work... SMH! You and the clown above you are the main reason these artists and produces are getting no real money like the artists that were going 5 times platinum in the 90's and early 2000's. Like I said, I'm happy this shit happened! Now these new jacks got to start buying beats or quit making music.

  • nrh oz

    GOOD WORK LORD FINESSE !! WAK MAC MILLER IS FOR SOME LIL 13 YO WHITE BOY ISH......... HOPEFULLY HE QUITS AS HE IS HELPING TO DESTROY RAP MUSIC ALONG WITH MOST OF THESE NEW SCHOOL 'MCS" LETS TAKE IT BACK TO THE OLD SCHOOL !

    • R

      Cletus 1.stop pretending to be us you little redneck rapist, 2. Respect the path-layers, because you exist because of them. 3.In a few decades when ppl are talking about legendary Hip-Hoppers, no-one(no-one that matters anyway) will be talking about no fuckin mac mills, or whatever his fuckin name is, who's music has the reply value of a screaming baby.

    • Genius

      Fuck Clitus and hazey you punks don't know shit about lyrics, wordplay and skill. Late 40's my ass.

    • Cletus

      I'm black late 40's listen tpo alot of Eric B and still think macs good your just a hating queer that drags down the rest of us niggers with your racist hate mongering

    • hazey

      Lets see you make better music, stop complaining and take that tampon out of your ass. If you don't like him simply don't press play.

  • Anonymous

    i heard they settled out of court for 4 milli. hmmm!

  • Heavy Chevy

    U wanna see a producer who don't sample shit, peep Khayree's production on Mac Mall's 2012 classic, "The Rebellion Against All There Is". Homeboy plays all the instruments himself in his production. None of this hijackin' the next producers beat or recycling James Brown and P-Funk shit.

  • Anonymous

    SMH, so are you trying to say the joey badass 1999,j cole's three mixtapes, kendrick lamar's OD were all wack and they are all talentless bum asses. i guess the trinidad james and the 2chainz are the ones talented in hip hop now then. u need to go kill urself after u get off that computer.

    • SMH

      NO! What I'm saying is that Joey Badass and every other rapper trying to take the easy rout and use beats rappers had to PAY for to get their buzz up is lame. If the the original owner of the beat had to pay for the beat, why doesn't the cat trying to use that beat for his mixtape have to pay? You think the producer gives a f*ck that your mixtape is free? FOH! He's saying f*ck you! Pay me! If you were a rapper and paid Dre $50,000 for a beat and that beat made you popular/money/famous/etc.. Then some new jack does a song to your beat and starts buzzing and even making money you would be mad as hell too. Stop it! You think producers are in the studio making beats for free? Those beats don't leave their hard drive until that money is worked out. This is the reason there's so many wack rappers now! Anybody could just download a popular beat thats out and pay $20 in some bull sh*t so called studio which is usually a cats basement, not a real studio and call him self an artist. That sh*t is lame. Finesse is just handling his business. It's obvious you still ask mommy for money and know nothing about business.

  • Anonymous

    SMH u a fool. like i said i'm a fan of the sampled break beats used in the 90s but if new cats who are fan of these same beats can't spit on beats like this in fear of getting sued then wack looney tune beats will take over the mixtape scene even mainstream, too. mac miller released an album last yr and i'm sure the samples on it were cleared. real rap will die if mixtapes have to go through sample clearing. real talk.

    • R

      To me it just helps expose who is really creative & who isn't. I'm not against sampling, but it depends how it's done.

    • Anonymous

      Instead of dudes being all scared why don't they sit down and learn about sample clearing? There are FREE SAMPLES OUT THERE. Why does a producer have to be willing to get robbed for a little recognition? BTW, those wack looney tune beats are already mainstream and all over mixtapes.

  • Anonymous

    I bet he got under a million.

  • steee

    i think even hip hop heads who place lord finesse far above mac miller (myself included) can agree its a bitch move.... 1. most young rappers putting shit out prbly havent heard of lord finesse (which is a problem). this kid wanted to rap over his favorite producer's beat while everyone else is rhyming over shitty corny production. lord finesse should stay true to the game and be happy that ppl are continuing the legacy 2. hip hop is all about re-using old stuff. i agree should have been obvious not to sell something on itunes that contains copyrighted information. but come on... im sure lord finesse made a bunch of beats w/o clearing samples. all the great old school producers have. and when they were getting sued by the original composers i'm sure finesse thought it was messed up then. this whole situation just makes me have my doubts about hip hop, and how we put these legends on a pedestal like they can do no wrong

    • Anonymous

      on your last line you said "we"...why you stupid mutha fucka. speak for yourself homo shit.

    • Anonymous

      I actually feel great about it. Lord Finesse was paying attention to the game and how to do paperwork and his studies worked out for him. Only suckers like you would sit down and be quiet while someone is robbing you and fronting like their giving you shine and love.

  • Anonymous

    i'm not the only one who thinks finesse is greedy. look at the dislike bar on the youtube video of hip 2 da game .

    • Anonymous

      Try again. They sent a cease and desist and Frank said he will no longer perform it. Mac has You Tube footage of him all over the US at the House Of Blues performing his "smash hit" and links leading to retail sales on Amazon. So if anyone destroyed it, it was MAC MILLER and ROSTRUM RECORDS being greedy. You are confused.

    • Anonymous

      ^and like the article says "the fate of mixtapes have been decided" lord finesse handled this like a broke bitch. if my memory serves me right. the eagles guy who frank ocean sampled on his mixtape handled it like an adult, not bitching about it like broke ass finesse.

    • Anonymous

      And what does a You Tube dislike bar mean in actual life? Nothing. I can click a dislike bar and have never even watched the video! You people can say whatever you want about Lord Finesse but the experts who do this type of work for a living have spoken.

  • Anonymous

    I'll say Mac miller didn't move right on this just because he didn't give credit, same ass lalala he didn't give the producers credit.. But fuck lord fat fuck aint nothin finesse about this guy, it's so bad that kids is no longer on datpiff and livemixtapes has one with like 3 songs missing.. He should be happy someone put him back in the light koolaid n frozen pizza was ten times bigger than hip to tha game.. Fuckin queer

    • R

      Why!!? How can ppl say ''fuck lord finesse, this is a bitch move''. That is like calling someone a bitch for getting their house burgled and then trying to get their stuff back. #makenosense.com

    • Anonymous

      instead of having cats being scared of getting sued..why dont they go find the next lord finesse,next dj premier,next dr dre..like there are other dope producers who trynna make it too.. nowadays rappers just dont want to pay for beats anymore,they just want to steal that shit like it was free for all. I understand if you wanna rap on classic beats, but joey he had co-signs from most producers ,he used the beats from... and why would u want to ruin a classic anyway !

    • Anonymous

      dude u right. i was a big lord finesse fan but moves like this will change the game back to looney tune soldier boy beats because cats will now be scared of getting sued. Why should this happen now when we have cats like joey badass who are known for spitting over beats like this

  • DOC

    Let's be clear here people: Mac Miller didn't just "PUT IT ON A MIXTAPE" like all the ignorant fools is saying. Mac sold his mixtape on Amazon. Therefore Finesse has every right to ask for his cut. END OF STORY YOU IGNORANT M-Frs

    • R

      @anonymous....is that u mac? Wallet feeling like it went on a little diet huh?

    • SMH

      Clap Clap Clap Clap! Now these lame ass rappers can start buying their own beats and stop riding the next mans wave! LoL

    • Anonymous

      whatever, i hope he is waiting for someone else to freestyle over his beat. so he could sue again. what has finesse done in the last 10 yrs. sue someone for 10million over his beat. now clap for him

  • Anonymous

    this washed up nigga finesse got the money right. now go sit ur old butt somewhere.

    • SMH

      Old??? LMAO... Clown! I'm probably as old as you! Just turned 23! I just know the difference between business and leaching! My pops taught me well. i support the culture and BUY music. Anybody supporting that free loading shit is a lame to me! Go kick that old head shit to your parents. Then kill your self so you wont get old!

    • DOLO

      Sit your selfish, old ass down SMH. Its art and art is meant for sharing, Finesse should be flattered this new generation artist payed homage to his washed out ass by putting his beat on his tape. Not that Finesse career is worth talking about anyways, he wasnt even an has-been he was a never-was, so he should be happy to get his name out there.

    • SMH

      ^^ Your bum ass just doesn't get it! The freeloading is over! If it's not your beat weather it's on a mixtape or not you have to pay... PERIOD! Finally! That sh*t is wack already! I hope more producers start doing this... Then we can get back to cats make their own music instead of riding the next mans wave & d*ck!

    • Anonymous

      ^dude u ain't making a valid point so shut ur trap there are a 1001 lord finesse beats on mixtapes which are downloaded daily from the net check joeys 1999. if u have told me it was sold on itunes like some other cats are saying u would have a point but since u re a dumbass spewing off the mouth, i won't blame u.

    • SMH

      You bum a** leaches just don't get it do you?... Finesse spent money on beat machines, studio time and his personal time to make that beat... So because Mac put it on a mixtape it's ok not to pay? You bum a** leaches make no sense. Time is money! These lazy a** artists think they could rap to everybody else's beats for free and get rich & famous!... Like Mac did... FOH! Pay up! If I had to spend money and/or my time to make a beat you got to pay. You bum a** flows will understand one day!

    • Anonymous

      they were selling the mixtape on amazon, getting paid for his work

    • Anonymous

      Dude stop defendin lazy ass finesse. i'm a real hip-hop head and suing someone for something that was on a mixtape is ho ass shit. I bet he is sitting on his fat ass now waiting for someone else to freestyle over his beat, so he could sue again.smh!

    • SMH

      So what! They got you clowns thinking because it's on a mixtape that you can steal somebodies work on don't have to pay! FOH! I don't care if you didn't sell it, it still isn't his. You bums don't realize that! Mixtape or not... Pay up what you owe... Now maybe clowns will stop using other peoples beats and buy their own!

    • SMH

      You clowns kill me! If getting older or being older is a problem kill your self now and save your self the trouble!

  • SMH

    You used somebody else's beat. You have to pay period! You crumb bums think you're entitled to everything for free and don't have to pay. SMH! This is why Hip Hop is loosing. Artists are barely going gold now because of you leaches! Hip Hop is the only Genre suffering to... The numbers don't lie! Steal my sh*t and I'm coming for that money... and I might just have the lil homies wash you up every time we see you!

    • SMH

      No... The fake clowns who think they can rap to peoples beats for free and even recycle the original concept will disapeer because they're bum asses can't afford to make music... Real music will come back and everybody will be happy again. That shit is corny rapping to other peoples beats any way. I'm not even downloading free music if your rapping to a beat that wasn't made for you! Producers need to step it up if you don't want to hear Soulja boy type beats. I bet your clown ass does't even buy music! That's why your defending Mac. Leaches always defend their own kind!

    • Anonymous

      Dude. did u say this is what is killing hip hop? dude go kill urself right now. mac miller spit over the song because he was a fan not because he wanted to make money off it. If upcoming rappers are scared to spit over an old skool beat they like then the game will end up with looneytunes/souljaboy beats. yet u see this old asses complaining bout how real rap is dying. 10 million dollars? this is a greedy ass move from fat lazy ass finesse and i was a fan of his music.

    • Anonymous

      It was on a mixtape fool. Do u know how much money lazy ass Finesse owes James Brown? FOH!

  • Anonymous

    yo people are starving out here and we're in a damn recession...and this nigga gonna sue for 10 mill for one stupid ass song.

  • Chris

    Mac got heard because he was riding along with Wiz Khalifa when he was creating the biggest part of his buzz. He was on tour with him and under the same label, Rostrum. Fuck this faggot finesse for charging 10 mil. I bet the kid barely has 4..Lord is just butthurt because his song sucked cock.

    • #REALSHIT

      You sound mad ignorant, Finesse has EVERY RIGHT to sue, this lil poser ass rapper used copywrited materials WITHOUT permission to try to up his buzz. It's obvious Mac Miller don't care about the general culture of hip hop. (how can he? he's a spoiled rich kid who used daddy's money to do something he HAS NO BUSINESS GETTING INVOLVED WITH IN THE FIRST PLACE!) WHo's The Faggot???Finesse? LMAO Finesse is paid sun, don't be mad becuz your favorite rapper (who is FAKE AS FUCK) got called out on his and his gay ass labels bullshit. If you dissing Finesse you dissing Miller becuz even miller claimed one of his main influences is Big L, and Big L was put on BY LORD FINESSE... #REALSHIT

  • harveybabyyy

    one of the stupidest lawsuits I've come across on the internet. but than again America is kind of fucked liked that.

    • Anonymous

      It's a negotiable figure, it was never stated that the song or beat was worth 10 million.

    • Harveybabyyy

      Obviously I do. I was just going by the documentary I saw on HBO. & if you don't think sueing 10 million over a sampled song is a bit excessive, Or stupid explain why..

    • Anonymous

      Obviously you know more than the lawyers and company owners. Break it down for us.

  • no

    no mac built a name off talkin about big L and puttin a lord finesse beat on his tape to get hiphopcredits those 2 elements together probably made finesse hate on him and mac makes tons of doe now he coulda came back n hit him off..did some new shit..somethin..but he didnt so he got stole on big l rapped about robbin cats like mac miller come awnson

  • RC

    Lesson of the story is don't call your shit a "mixtape" if you're selling it at shows & distributing phyical copies to stores and online retailers. If you wanna sell it fine but pay your dues, and give respect when respect is due. If you wanna play you gotta pay.

  • RaeL

    He obviously didn't have to pay 10 Million if they reached some type of settlement. Regardless, how is FInesse going to sue Mac Miller for rhyming over a beat FINESSE sampled? This is something that is essential to the Hip Hop culture and Mac was merely trying to pay homage and rhyme over a beat he liked. In my opinion, Finesse is a joke for this and is going directly against something he would have done in his early days.

    • IDK

      In my opinion, regarding that this lawsuit was settled, it seems like Mac Miller never properly paid homage to Lord Finesse and that he used that beat to make money off of without properly clearing it with Lord Finesse. And about Lord Finesse sampling records or using beats, nobody is suing him for stealing anything yet, so he possibly did his deed and cleared up those samples he used in his music. You are entitled to your opinion, though, so I'm not holding any grudges on you :)

  • Anonymous

    so in closing, Mac Miller is going to have to perform until his death to pay up.

  • no

    reachin for 10mil is still some hoe shit. song was on a mixtape and dude was credited on tracklist.

    • IDK

      It's an undisclosed settlement, meaning that although Lord Finesse sued for $10 mil, he and Mac Miller agreed on Miller paying for only a certain fraction of that money (could be $500k or even $10k) that isn't revealed to the public.

    • Anonymous

      not a troll.. just mac on the website.. well, i guess he does kinda look like a troll..

    • Anonymous

      You really can't be that stupid. Must be a troll.

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