Lord Finesse Provides 3 Reasons For His $10 Million Lawsuit Against Mac Miller

Lord Finesse blames Rostrum Records for mishandling Mac Miller's "Kool Aid & Frozen Pizza," and says that Miller only contacted him via Twitter.

Lord Finesse has released the latest statement in the developing story of his $10 million lawsuit against fellow rapper Mac Miller. The D.I.T.C. emcee/producer announced yesterday that he's suing the Rostrum Records star for using his "Hip 2 Da Game" instrumental for Miller's "Kool Aid & Frozen Pizza (The Kool Aid Song)" from his K.I.D.S. mixtape.

Following Mac's written response to Finesse, claiming that the Bronx, New York veteran was not replying to the Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania's rapper's calls, and additional points, Lord Finesse took to Twitter to reply:



Finesse blamed Rostrum Records for mishandling the issue, accused Miller or stealing and refuted reports of attempted contact.

RELATED: Mac Miller Responds To Lord Finesse's $10 Million Lawsuit

67 Comments

  • Justin

    Mac miller didnt sell the song..but all the youtube views and shows he did made him tons of money from the song, but I think he will win the case.

  • IDK

    For those who are talking about whether Lord Finesse cleared that Oscar Peterson sample or not, well, LF's "The Awakenings" is still in print and still contain "Hip 2 da Game." If he didn't get that song cleared, then that album would have been out of print a long time ago, or "Hip 2 da Game" would have been removed and the tracklisting getting updated. Here are examples of albums/songs that went out of print/removed from the tracklisting: Biz Markie's "I Need a Haircut" removed the song "Alone Again" in future pressings, Ghostface Killah's "Ironman" removed the song "The Soul Controller" in future pressings, and both Pharaohe Monch's "Internal Affairs" and Truth Hurts' "Truthfully Speaking" quickly went out of print because of an uncleared sample in each of their singles. With that being said, it's likely and possible that Lord Finesse did have that Oscar Peterson sample cleared. If not, then he would have faced similar issues (like the Biz, GFK, Monch, and Truth Hurts, to name a few) a long time ago.

  • Anonymous

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  • jake

    Sampling is about re-purposing, not recycling. All Mac Miller is doing is painting it white and giving false props. No honor amongst thieves though, so what are you gonna do...

  • The Watcher

    Finesse is just a hating broke nigga tryna make some quick cash...Your time is gone ,live with it ...

    • Allbrand new

      Come on man- why so harsh? You didn't read the argument well- Why would any company just completely disrespect the owner and author of said works then decide to do a Twitter "I'm sorry,my badd" type of solution when your company is cutting the person who created it out of all proceeds. White people are always trying to side step us as if we don't have a business acumen. They didn't even try to take Lord finess to "popeyes chicken or Church's and give him a free meal- they just str8 bypassed him and thats some disrespectful shit. Don't take money out of another mans pocket then go to Twitter

  • count melancholy

    point 3 is very relevant. mac miller's lyrics sample too much of other rappers. that's not payin homage, that's theft. only these corny whiteboy hipsters will cosign that bullshit. that aint hiphop

  • Anonymous

    YOu Finesse how many samples did you jack from other artists? Hiphop is sampling.

  • Wack Miller

    Reason 1. I'm retarded with down syndrome. Reason 2. The label pays me in tattoos and snapback hats. Reason 4. I'm retarded with down syndrome. Reason 3. I love the taste of legends balls. Reason 5. I am basically the white version of wiz khalifah

  • Anonymous

    Reason 1. I'm broke reason 2. I'm a bum ass nigga reason 3.sitting on my ass ain't payin the bills anymore

  • Anonymous

    Mac should get with the artist who Finesse sampled from and tell them to sue the shit out him. rel talk cus Finesse is buggin.

    • tywon taylor

      Dummies you don't sue the label because the labels has the artist sign stating that the works are ORIGINAL thus it releases the Record company from allegedly being responsible or negligent. This is why I tell Rap Artist to read but dudes act like everybodies hating on them all day then they get GOT! Mac Millers money will be SEIZED/put on lock down until this is settled financially and the label will own his ass forever. Mac Miller is responsible for contacting the owner and publisher and getting clearance...The record company is gonna deny knowing whether he did or not, so Lord Finess got they ass good this time. Aspiring Rappers take note with your dumb ass.

    • Anonymous

      You dont sue the actual artist..you sue the record label.

    • The MG

      One problem with that though. Oscar Peterson is dead.

    • Enigma

      Well I'm sure everything in Wack Millers discog has been cleared as well right? Nope? That's what I thought Dickriders

    • Anonymous

      If I was Rostrum records right now thats exactly what I would be doing

  • Anonymous

    10 million???? Lord Finesse is fuckin up...there's no reason to go that extreme he's obviously just tryna play Mac for some unearned money...Hope he doesn't get a dime.

    • Anonymous

      Kill yourself, skinny jean, snap back hat wearing mutherfucker. Tell your label to start paying dues and stop raping hip hop.

  • asdf

    have any of you heard the track? mac miller definitely does not do it justice. his voice sounds whack over the beat. that's probably why finesse is mad. it's not like he got on the track and killed the shit. i'd be pissed if someone got on my beats, made a music video and everything, used it to propel their career, then don't even give me shit. fuck that. finesse is in the right. either make your own shit or pay up. it's not easy to make classic beats. most of you people commenting dont have a fucking clue what goes into actually making hip hop. people go around like finesse just recorde dshit straight from a record like that. get a damn clue

    • mikey

      Your exactly right, its called bastardize to some degree when you don't even perform well enough to show you areable to earn the right to use the beat; thats outside of not getting clearance. Very well spoken

  • Benny Dub

    When did hip hop become a biters convention?? You can argue about samples and clearances all you want. But the simple fact is that Finesse CREATED a beat and Mac straight jacked it. Anybody who knows this business knows the artist doesn't make SHIT on albums or sales. The real $$ is on tour. The mix tape may have been free, but I bet Mac is performing this on tour on the regular. It used to be that jacking a beat or biting lyrics was a straight violation in hip hop. Beat downs and beef usually followed. Now we have clowns jacking other people's names and personas (Ross), taking beats and remaking classics with some half-assed flash in the pan track (Lupe). Miller is lucky Finesse didn't hand him a beat down. And all you dopes shitting on Finesse...learn some fuckin' history. D.I.T.C. Is one of the most respected crews in hip hop. Finesse, OC, Show & AG, Diamond D, Big L. These dudes would STILL rip your favorite crew, hands down. Fuck your twitter and album sales and your Facebook. Respect real hip hop or go watch Sesame Street, bitches! Stop biting and be original. Damn!

    • Benny Dub

      @ WNDRKND: I couldn't agree more that classics should be left alone! The truth is that classic hip hop, just like classics of any other genre, have a larger meaning to both the artists and the fans. I have albums and songs that take me back to certain times and places in my life. There is so much more to good music than "just another beat to spit on." T.R.O.Y. was, and remains, such a powerful song. Some things just shouldn't be messed with just to create a little buzz or have a hot song for the next 15 minutes. And I can't accept the "it's a new era" stuff either. You said it yourself, artists used to have to fight to keep hip hop alive. Why should we stop fighting now? Why do we now accept something that is sub-par, recycled and straight jacked? Mac Miller did not have to make that song with that beat. He could have come up with something original on his own, or found a new beat. Shit, Finesse is both a producer and a rapper. Miller could have got his own ass in the studio, at least flipped it, maybe reused the sample, but "reinterpreted" the beat. Unfortunately he got lazy. As far as "why now and not 2 years ago"? It sounds like Finesse was trying to work this out with the labels and others behind the scenes, instead of starting a twitter beef. After 2 years of disrespect, I think he has had enough. We all know $10m isn't going to happen. But it might make somebody take notice that this shit is not OK. Oh, and name me one other music genre where "old heads" or "legends" or the forefathers of the music are straight dissed and shitted on. That's the problem right there. Respect the architects...

    • WNDRKND

      @BennyDub While I don't agree with everything you said, you made a good point about the tours tho... Even though its a free mixtape, Miller very well could be making bank offa that record because a room full of white kids wanna hear it at SXSW or Coachella or some fuckin shit... Regarding the beats, however, while I see where you come from, unfortunately, we're in the internet age now and that shit has changed. You could make an argument for the 90s and the net, but that was before the MP3 was even invented, so the 90s don't count. Today though, between being able to find the original, or people simply remaking the original (like The Original Beat/Wonya Love), the culture of biting has shifted a good deal now. If anything, because of the fact that DITC's songs are ostensibly classic, people are going to think that by rapping over the beat, they are paying homage. Sure, it is a ridiculous expectation, but one that is coming from the right place. Back in the day, hip-hop was a young genre, whose survival many questioned. Biting was grotesque during that era, largely in part, because biters didn't contribute to the culture's survival, or even helping cement its validation in the mainstream. I'm not saying that isn't the case now, but shit, dude couldda at least filed suit against the kid a few years ago as opposed to NOW. I used to write about a lot of music, and after my interests evolved, I took a plunge and decided to write hip hop music earlier this year, and personally, I won't touch classics. I believe that they are perfect as they are.

    • Benny Dub

      More "Anonymous" idiots...making excuses for biting. Am I in my 40's...NO! Do I listen to old school hip hop? Yup! I listen to new hip hop too...I just don't listen to garbage. I am a Hip Hop fan, new or old. You punks need to stop biting off somebody else's work and image, and get your own shit! You can try to justify all you want, but it's still biting, dick-riding,nut-hugging, copying, fake bullshit.

    • Anonymous

      Benny Dub is probably in his 40's tryna hold on to the old days. First of all HipHop is very much based off of sampling....if anybody is gonna recycle anything from previously recorded hiphop tracks they're doing it either to pay homage or for an objective reason (not to take a short cut) because there is obviously no shortage of beats soooo...and anyway Lord Finesse has absolutely no relevance right now so why is he feeling salty now people from the current generation might know who you are...crabs in a bucket.

    • ayee

      Finesse didn't clear the sample he used for the original song either. he's being hypocritical.

  • SCHWARZ

    LMAO FINESSE SONNED HIM

  • Anonymous

    man people say what you wanta say, you cant take the man whole beat and just use it, at less try to switch it up a little dagg, i will sue too

  • gutter man

    i know the industry, thats all i can say... It dosn't matter if finesse cleared shit cause he payed to record, mix and master the song, he has lyrics associated with it and he programmed the drums and had other instruments on the song that were basically original- maybe not synth based but playing notes within the sampler weather it was an MP 3000 or whatever. he also has intellectual rights in a philosophical sense(he discoverd and flipped the sample) and it HAS BEEN PROOVEN THAT THE MAC MILLER MIXTAPE WAS NOT YOUR AVERAGE MIXTAPE. think dudes- mac is fuckin with cam'ron and deep down prolly dont care what finesse thimks, although he respects him to a degree.

  • Anonymous

    The thing is, I bet a simple shout-out at the beginning or end of songs would completely clear this recurring issue. How hard is that to do really?

  • Anonymous

    "3. Macs on the top of his game right now." ,,yeah that seems like the most legitimate reason in this bullshit story lol wow wtf lord finesse?

  • Al anon

    What would you do if someone jacked your entire beat and not even gave you credit? Twitter beef it? Seriously? Fuck all the "he's old tryna get a quick buck" talk, the beat was still good enough for theses days still and he tried to pass it as his own (mac)so knowing that gotta respect timeless material. 10 mil might be what he's asking for but it won't make it past arb and they'll settle, but the next young cat that tries to pull some mess like that with any legend again will know better, stop the age bashing and come up with your own new shit.

    • lloydc

      Pssst he's just trying to make a quick buck...why wait this fucking long to sue and/or confront Mac about him using the beat? I like Finesse but that's some hoe shit on his part...c'mon man $10 fucking million for a song that appeared on a mixtape? i don't care what any one of you say but that's just wrong and deep down Finesse knows damn well he just wants $10 mil because Mac is one of the hottest emcees in the game right ( i hate Mac's music btw lol)

  • Anonymous

    Why did he wait two years for the law suit is my question? The mix tape dropped in 2010.

    • tyrone hands down

      The record company has what is called a 18 month cycle for taxes- the first year nothing ever hits an accounting record, but give it 18 months to a year then activity will show up giving Lord Finesse that information to sue off of. Lord Finess didn't want to speculate that' s he was being cut out of royalties he had to wait to see what actually the label was doing to profit without him getting his cut, when he had the evidence, thus the lawsuit...

  • jacob

    This would bee diffrent if mac charged for the song but he talked to finesse right after he relesed the track and he was fine with mac using the beat. finesse might get 10k off this lawsuit not 10mil

  • Shone Jones

    Sad. Finesse is just trying to get a check. Finesse has probably sampled a gang of records he didn't pay to use. I guess it's only wrong when it's "his" shit being used. How are you gonna sue somebody for using an instrumental that used a sample that you didn't clear your damn self?

    • Anonymous

      Nobody knows whether he cleared It. That is mere speculation. Not even Mac himself knows.

    • Shone Jones

      You didn't answer the question. Did Lord Finesse clear the sample or not?

    • Anonymous

      its HIS instrumental. its not like he lifted the oscar track and called it his. HE flipped it and arranged it his own way. Mac DID lift finesse's music and did nothing to it but put his lyrics on it. he DID not flip that sample he used LF's instrumental.

  • malc

    Legend or not...He could eat a sack of baby dicks for asking for 10 mil!

  • Anonymous

    Its Utter Bullshit He's Suing Mac For A Beat That He Didn't even clear the sample to

    • IDK

      I think Lord Finesse did clear that Oscar Peterson sample. If he didn't, then "Hip 2 da Game" would had been removed from his album "The Awakening," or that album would had been out of print a long time ago. But nope, that song is still in that album, and that album can be currently purchased for as low as $9.84 on Amazon (brand new, not used), meaning that it's still in print. On that note, LF probably did got that sample cleared.

  • Sco*

    10 Milli? Really? For a song that was on FREE Mixtape?? Finesse cannot be that far removed from the industry to know how utterly ridiculous this lawsuit sounds... What is he even basing that number on? Good luck hungry-ass dude...Because someone is considered a legend, that does not make them infallible...

  • mike hall

    all of you dx'ers supporting mac. shut the fuck up. kill yourself. and everyone you know. Lord Finesse handled the bulk share of production on Lifestyles ov da Poor n Dangerous. Big L. That is all. Mac'ers. shut the fuck up and please get lots of bad terminall illnesses. I hate this fucking site

  • Hip Hop Fan

    Regardless of how much the kid Miller made of the track you can't just go around and steal other people's work and call it your own. When will Hip Hop artists learn that you have to pay the producer or person who currently holds publishing before taking a song and making it your own. I feel that Mac Miller should make amends and pay Lord Finesse regardless if Lord is broke or irrelevant because it's just principal.

    • Rob

      this is just not hip hop lord finesse reminds me of artists who complain when there record gets sampled

  • DK

    AY YO ITS DK UP HERE. LORD FINESSE IS WASHED UP COMPLETE SAD GARBAGE. I MEAN NIGGA GO COSIGN GOT COSIGN BECAUSE HE RAPPED DURING THE STONE AGE. YOU DONT BE LEGEND BECAUSE YOU ARE VERY OLD.I MEAN DUDE HAS 11K FOLLOWERS ON TWITTER? REALLY? A LEGEND WITH NO FANS IN A MUSIC BUSSINES? DUDE IF RELEASED AN ALBUM YALL SCREAMIN LEGEND WOULD NOT BUY HIS SHIT. FACT IS FINESSE 80 YEAR BROKE ASS STRIPPER TRYING TO FEED HIS KIDS WITH MILLIONS FROM ANOTHER KID (MAC MILLER) IF I EVER MEET FINESSE, IMMA MURK HIM LIKE THE HOE HE IS,WITH ONE HAND DELIVERING GODLY JABS AND THE OTHER HOLDING A PHONE.

    • hiphoppa

      @DK... Mac is that you? Finesse just stated to not get at him via twitter or the internet, be a man and talk to dude. Lord Finesse is a legend because he not only did most of the production work for Mary J. Blige's What's the 411, not only because of the D.I.T.C. catalog, he also put Big L on. But most importantly his first album Funky Technician was a new standard for how an MC could rock a mic from being a battle rapper. Do your homework Mac. Dude ain't hungry one bit. Peace goes out.

    • DK

      13 MILLI>>>>>>11K..lOL, DUDE IS A JOKE, I HAVE OVER 15K FOLLOWERS ON TWITTER. SO A REGULAR GUY HAS MORE FOLLOWER THAN A LEGEND.DUDE MUST JUST DIE ALREADY, PEOPLE HATE HIM, HES NOT EVEN RELEVENT, NEED MAC MILLERS MONEY TO FEED HIS OWN FAMILY,HAS NO FANS, HES VERY OLD AND WOULD PROBABLY DIE OF OLD AGE SOON, SO WHEN YOU BOUT TO DIE?

    • Hip Hop Fan

      Calm down internet gangster, I bet Lord Finesse would probably beat your ass anyways. You mentioned twitter, since when did having twitter followers determine how many fans you have. As I recall Nicki Minaj had 13.5 million followers and struggled to go Gold in record sales. Twitter is not the tool to use if you want fans. Case closed, go to school youngin.

  • rahrahrah

    Professional musicians do this all the time. Business is business. Nothing personal.

  • RC

    Finesse made a good point mac did not handle his buisness and this is not the first time he's been accused of this. Also jacking classic beats is NOT sampling, maybe had mac done a original interpretation of the sample and put his own twist on it instead of this cut-n-paste bullshit it would have been different. Do your thing Finesse its bout time these wack rappers learned to pay homage respect.

  • Do What You Got To

    KIDS was an old mixtape,,that was the mixtape that made me relize "Damn,,this wanna be mac kid is terrible,horrible at that" ... Lord Finesse is just doin what he hasto do ,, 10mil is probly 1/3 of what miller made on that track,,,he can afford it...These newjack rappers need to relize you CAN NOT do business solely over a SocialNetworking website ... More Power to LordF

    • DK

      LOL. 30 MILLI? NIGGA GO BACK TO FUCKIN MOMMAS BASEMENT OR I WILL CUT YOUR MOTHERS NIPPLES AND FEED EM TO MA DOGS.

    • Anonymous

      1/3.....really?!........this has to be the DUMBEST nigga EVER...just has to be

    • areyouserious

      do you really think he made 30 mil off of that ONE track that was from a FREE mixtape? i doubt mac has even made close to 30 mil in his career yet, let alone off of a single track. get your shit straight

    • Anonymous

      lmao if Niki minaj is worth 14 million i dont think his single made 30 million

    • dommer

      Are you serious? "10mil is probly 1/3 of what miller made on that track" Are you trying to say that Mac made 30 million off a song that was on a mixtape that was given out for free? 30 million? Koolaid and Frozen Pizza isn't even Mac's biggest song!

  • JETLIFE116

    He's right about the video tho, you can't even use a image of the Taco Bell logo & put that in your video but 10mil...fuck he's a legend tho but got damn 10mil

  • Anonymous

    FUUQQ YEEZ MY NIKKAS FINALLY IT HAPPENED - JUST GOT A NEW RIDE - A CAM A RO CONVERTIBLE.GOT APPROVED FOR 26 LARGE. BEEN 5 YRS SINCE IVE GOTTEN SHYT APPROVED, BUT NOW ALL MY CRE-DIT SHEET GONE. ALL OF IT. IF YOU STRUGGLING WITH THAT CREDITT HISTORY ISHH, GET RID OF ALL DAT TODAY - CALL THESE PEEPS AT 8^8^8-9-2-7 -3-3-5-6. . THEY DO AMAZING WORK AND THEY ARE CHEAP AS FUQQ. GOT RID OF ALL MY SHYYT IN NO TIME. MY HOMEBOY WAS IN THE GUTTA TOO, AND HE CLEANER THAN ME NOW-gettin a condo!! Hit em up - THEY WILL HELP U!!

  • Anonymous

    This guys out to make a quick buck

    • Anonymous

      Lord prolly never made a million in his entire career and using this as a get rich scheme so sad this has to go down like this

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