Cuban Link Breaks Down Why Joell Ortiz's "Big Pun's Back" Was Disrespectful

The disgruntled rapper digs into reasons why he wasn't feeling the record.

Cuban Link has lashed out again at Joell Ortiz for recording the track “Big Pun’s Back,” also considered “disrespectful” by Pun’s widow Liza Rios. Speaking with WSHH, the Bronx, New York native explained that there are three reasons that the song wasn’t handled properly.

“Let’s depict the song. Let’s go back. I’ma hit you with the three strikes I’m talking about. First of all, duke said the new Christopher Lee Rios of rap. That you want to be the new Christopher Lee Rios. You already want to be like my man. You tryna say... You supposed to be giving love, but you want to be the new. You takin’ the spot or something. When I don’t even feel like you’re in the same realm as him. And I know a lot of people feel like that.”

He also noted Ortiz’s use of the word “heart attack” in his verse, claiming that it’s not only disrespectful to him, but to his family.

“Second strike, you gon’ say in your second verse, ’45 will hit you like a heart attack.’ For real? You’re going to use the word ‘heart attack’ on my brother’s song? You giving him love, but yet you gon’ put that word heart attack? He died of a heart attack. That’s very disrespectful to the family, if you don’t know. If you still confused.”

He concluded by explaining that bigging up Fat Joe was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

Third of all, you biggin’ up my enemy, you biggin’ up our enemy. For all these years, niggas already seen me go in on issues about the whole Terror Squad and Joe situation. And you used the little funny line where even though it was Pun’s like, you want to bring that line out of all the Pun lines that was ever said? ‘Don’t be like that other dude that was speakin’ dumb, tryna snuff Joe?’ When Pun was alive, he said that. I was there when he wrote that, so that was a whole different situation. But Pun’s not here no more. Twelve years later and you gon’ say that, and the new generation you speaking to is going to be like ‘Who’s the other dude that snuffed Joe?’ I know I snuffed Joe. Papoose snuffed Joe. So there’s only two dudes that you’re talking about.”

RELATED: Cuban Link & Tony Sunshine Disapprove Of Joell Ortiz's "Big Pun's Back”

96 Comments

  • El K Wil

    THE SONG WAS A TRIBUTE, NOT FOR BIG PUN ONLY. BUT REPPIN THEIR NATIONALITY. CUBAN LINK STILL TALKING ABOUT TERROR SQUAD SHIT. ITS A SAD DAY WHEN SOMEONE COMPLAINS ABOUT A TRIBUTE, AND PICKING OUT LINES HEAR AND THERE. WHAT DOES FAT JOE HAVE TO DO WITH IT ANYWAY, HE IS YOUR ENEMY, NOT PUN'S ENEMY! CUBAN, PAPOOSE, AND REMY MA ARE CLOWNS...LIKE NAS SAID "WHERE ARE THEY NOW"

  • Afi Keita James

    Cuban, you and fat joe use people and just throw em away, even members of your own crew, you both sicken me.

  • C-Lo Dubai on Youtube

    I feel what homie is saying about the lines. Pun was probably one of my favorite rappers of all-time and though I do like Ortiz and Im rooting for him, he really isnt in the same class with Pun skill wise. But Im sure Ortiz meant well, if that counts for anything. And C-Lo Dubai is nice. Not the best, hardest,richest and all that...but he's real and the music is good. Google or Youtube him.

  • Anonymous

    The song is hot and if he had a problem with it he should have gotten at joel direct

  • tupac

    listen to what im saying and hold us acountable for it - pac

  • Controverse

    NO ONE CARES!

  • RipthaJacker

    Is this guy still talking about a freestyle?

  • Anonymous

    The nigga got a statement to make about his own people being exploited, right or wrong this is'nt a cause for thousands nerdy so-called hip hop fans to get there ten cents in. How many of you would not be protective of of the legacy your relative left behind, knowing what type of world we live in and the politics of this music industry

    • C-Lo Dubai on Youtube

      Yeah I was thinking the same thing. ITs personal and all these nerdy cats who wasnt around when Pun was out gonna be putting their cents in. Shit maybe I shouldnt put my comment on here either. This shits personal

    • excatly

      well put, when faced with leaving your loved one's legacy... You'd think they know better.

  • Info

    Man! can't judge cuban for saying what he is, he know pun, hang with pun so if anyone to0 real speak on how he think the song is disrespcetful, or pun wouldnt have like that it would have to be cuban link, plus everybody know fat joe a punk, yo end of the day niggas need to leave pun alone let that nigga rest in peace, make your own shine, stop trying to live off a dead man.

  • Pro

    i thought that heart attack line was mad corny n unnecessary when i first heard it but i guess cause he on Shady now u Em stans gonna back him Cuban Link a real nigga

  • Anonymous

    cuban link is stirring up a bunch of bullshit in pun's name. touching. joell has done more to keep pun's legacy alive than cuban link ever has. pun's fam is real disrespectful, for questioning ortiz paying tribute to his favorite rapper. these TS niggas are so wrapped up in negativity and the past, at least fat joe keeps it moving, this is pathetic. cuban link looking for a buzz dissing a latin nigga with skills, and he's doing it for pun? please. pun would be embarrassed, love to chris rios, props to joell for keeping pun in talk, and fuck cuban link for being a back in the day nigga that refuses to move on in life. i used to fuck with link, son had flows, now he beefs with niggas for petty shit cuz he's lost. all these background niggas wanna shine, but they refuse to drop the bullshit. joell got my support on this.

  • Rico

    Man shut it Mr. Link. Your 5 minutes is up already.

  • Curtis Grim Reap Maxwell

    Why in the world are they still reporting on ANYTHING Cuban Link has to say? This nigga is bout as relevnet as Silk da Shocker.

  • less

    man this dude is gonna be 70 year olds stil in the streets talking bout dudes biten pun,sum one get this dude a job lmaooo.

  • aarontodavis

    Cuban Link prolly hasnt sold more records than Joell Ortiz himself lol He's definetly jus tryna get in da media and get some shine..who cares, music is freedom of speech..I dnt see any1 complaining about Ross's Tupac Back so y dey mad at Joell? If Ross cud go do it, jus about any other rapper can make a "paying homage" to rap legends type of song

  • DV

    Cuba reachin. Probably mad he aint do it first.

  • Ronald

    Who cares? Fat Pun is dead, he's like so irrelevant now

    • G'd Up FromThe Feet Up

      lol your one to call pun irrelevent. even though he's been gone for 11 years he can still be mentioned witrh the top technical lyricists to this day. and to this day he is still more relevent then u will ever be.

  • Crack

    When he said snuff joe? joe as in joell ortiz you dumbass. Being broke can make you crazy I see. Pull your skirt down B

  • Chase

    Yo check out this track, support is greatly appreciated http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX2HYIHCePw

  • Gunn Starr

    i mean EXPOSURE

  • Gunn Starr

    had he articulated himself better-this would have sounded less trivial. That being said its the most exosure cuban link has had in... well...ever

  • BIG BURN

    Yo listen to some great music off my upcoming mixtape. download them all on www.reverbnation.com/bigburn

  • Roland Muskelly

    Cuban Link right now just want to hear himself talk. Joell didn't say Heart attack in a disrespectful way !" Biggin' up our enemy" like the song was about you !! The song don't have shit to do with you. He don't have to ask permission to big up Pun. None of y'all motherfuckers are doing it !! When Lisa was gonna put out that documentary disrespecting the legacy, I only heard Joe voice his opinion. None of Y'all ( Triple Seis, Tony Sunshine, or Link) step up to stop it. The only reason why y'all was down with Terror Squad in the 1st place because PUN convinced Joe to put y'all down. And after He died, Y'all dipped (Talk about Loyalty there).

    • zrich

      CORRECTION- Fat Joe made Big Pun famous. Pun had been rapping for a while but wasn't known outside of the New York underground scene until Joe gave him a feature on his second album. It's probably the only thing Fat Joe did that was good for hip-hop.

    • Afi Keita James

      CORRECTION..: Cuban's points bang on...however he could have seen the man whats with this video shit... pun made Joe famous, fat Joe been shit since before that lean back shit... without pun, fat joke's career would have never seen any daylight. and good thing joe's not doing any tributes to the late pun, because of bitches like cuban jackass.

    • CORRECTION..

      Cuban's points bang on...however he could have seen the man whats with this video shit... pun made Joe famous, fat Joe been shit since before that lean back shit... without pun, fat joke's career would have never seen any daylight.

    • CORRECTION..

      cuban's points bang on...however he could have seen the man whats with this video shit... pun made joe famous, fat joe been shit since before that lean back shit... without pun, fat joe's career would have never seen any daylight.

    • Toney

      Very well put Ronald, it is very seldom that I actually read something on here that is thoughtful or correct even, I couldn't have put that shit better if I tried man, good stuff!

    • Afi Keita James

      This just proves at how truly out of touch cuban truly is, who cares if he is old school or not, time for him for a big lesson.

  • Afi Keita James

    People need to let the late big pun rest in peace, i'm tired of this shit, sure he's one of the greatest ever, but this is just like the late biggie and tupac now, overdone, overexposed and oversaturated.

  • Anonymous

    Joell just ain't half of what pun was as an mc, he shows it in his craft now and then, but pun was alot more focued, serius, just phenomanal with his. That's why Cuban can bitch all he likes!

    • Afi Keita James

      Too bad, cuban will lost more fans. and even though joell ortiz will never be as good as pun, he's still better than this has-been has done, glad figgaraw went at this piece of shit for good reason, cuban was haten on his own CLK and he got exposed for that.

    • son son

      Joell does get busy but that album is incredibly wack!

  • The B

    That nigga should be honored, but cuban linx is a non-factor. He need to reach out to Fat Joe. Shouts to 133rd & Lenox! That's where he is in the interview.

    • Afi Keita James

      and cuban should have been a non factor when pun died. as far as pun's legacy is concerned, it should have died years ago with pun, would have saved us all a lot of trouble.

  • Big Chill

    Yo Cu-hasban...get a damn life...

  • trooth

    he gives a fuck about joel, cubin links, big pun, they all suck....

  • Anonymous

    Damn, I use to like Cuban but he needs to shut the fuck up, go back to whatever the fuck it is you do now son & stop worrying about what's going on in HipHop, because you no longer reside there, you gave that shit up long ago.

  • Assassin221

    Damn, if somebody wants to be mad bad enough they'll take any kind of reason.

  • JoeM

    I like Joell Ortiz.. I think he's a dope rapper and I too believe he was trying to put it down for Big Pun and his people.. however, I do believe Joell let his ego get the best of him and he said some bullshit he shouldn't have said. In the song he should have only been talking about how Big Pun influenced him and his people instead of talking about how he's the "new Pun".. and also I agree with cuban link that he should not have said that line about "heart attacks" that was a really stupid move.. I know I thought it was disrespectful. However, I'm not a fan of cuban link and that rio widow is nothing but a bitch and the whole Big Pun camp hasn't done absolutely SHIT to honor or keep this mans memory alive. I don't like Fat Joe but even he has done more for Pun and his family than these lames. So I support Ortiz's intent, however I think he went overboard or at the very least had a poor choice of words.

    • Afi Keita James

      And thank god joe has stopped doing pun's stuff for good reason. and I Agree with cuban on some things, but that's it. LET THE BIG PUN LEGACY DIE IN PEACE!

  • Lil whitey

    i aint gonna lie cuban bitches is mad fine prolly the hottest hoes that mixed together spanish,native indian,black,all that hot spicey shit like a chalita tulapa from jose's taco place

  • whiteboyriderz4LIFE

    fuck cuban linx hatin ass nikkaz ,joell ortiz is the only one who can be the new pun so like it or not or suck a dick and die bitch

  • Afi Keita James

    No Wonder figgaraw, D Cell & Level left his ass, they want nothing to do with him.

  • A.M.

    Cuban Linx please stop it with your blood clot crying. Are those really the three reasons this song was disresapectful? No disrespect to the latin community because I know its some dope latinos rocking but thanks to Ortiz the Latin side of rap is still relavent yall should be paying him homage.

  • Afi Keita James

    SHUT THE FUCK UP CUBAN JACKASS! I'm glad the late joell ortiz is repping it for the latin community unlike bitchasses like you. VOTE Miami rapper and MMA star Level to kick cuban's jackass out.

  • Powerphi

    This disgruntled dude hasn't been relevant in over 10 years, and he really wasn't relevant back before then. He's just barking because he's got nothing else going.

  • Anonymous

    how come afeni shakur doesnt bitch like you guys when people pay homage? That's why people dont remember pun... because bitter fools like this guy wont let us! You just sound bitter my dude. Over analyzing shit like every line gotta pass you impossible test of approval. Nobody disrespecting pun man you just man that joel ortiz is considered closer to pun lyricially that you are. Dude got an ego.

    • MXH

      thank u man sound like a hater an as far as in his realm lyrically goes, umm joell is a top notch lyricist

  • Anonymous

    Cuban prob mad that Joell did the song before he did since he says they were "brothers". every one knows that there was no disrespect on Joells side...and what makes shit even worse is that Joell is the only keeping Big Pun in his raps and big'n up Pun and carrying PR on his back. Cuban should man up and stop bein a baby. He should wipe away his tears on jump on a track wit Ortiz and try makin a name for himself again.

  • Dnarow

    I think Cuban Link is disrespecting himself. Dude is acting a fool for nothing. Ortiz is just trying to big up Pun and Link is taking it way overboard. Chill out mane.

  • r.c.

    it's funny how yall sayin why would joell bring up a heart attack in the song but it wasnt a problem when meek mill was talkin bout shootin ppl in "tupac back"...in case yall forgot Pac died from gun shot wounds. we all know that joell didnt mean it in a disrespectful way. he was influenced by pun.

  • Matt Agosta

    yo this is fucking dude serious? im pretty sure ortiz was in no way trying to offend pun by saying heart attack. and joell and fat joe or homies so thats just retarted. and lastly, WHAT SPANISH NIGGA AROUND TODAY RAPPING LIKE JOELL??? its ok ill wait.....exactly. shutthe fuck up already. ortiz just trying to do good by pun so shut the fuck up

  • Anonymous

    i wish these ricans would shut up already dang!

  • Anonymous

    I love big pun He is and always will be one of my top 5 Mcs but wtf is Cuban on? "disrespectful to his widow?" I seen a video of pun pistol whipin her ass? aint that a bigger deal than a song paying homage to the dudes memory? "he said the word heart attack" wtf? your gonna take the man out of context? that's some bill oriley type misquoting niggas like their politicians.. smh gayass shit 2 do. If you know big puns music.. you know joell ortiz aint no pun ortiz knows hes not pun.. the man is just a fun like we are.. also no one gives a fuck if you snuffed fat joe.. trying to plug yourself and get attention for what?..w.e

  • Nico 3

    It's always the bitter, broke one's who waste their days trying to create controversy where there is none. Joell Ortiz is making money... Bottom line... So is Fat Joe. Cuban Link had his chance and blew it. He's probably on welfare. You think "your brother" would respect you if he were still alive? Hell he'd probably spit in your face, and then go record a song with Joe.

  • the don

    sorry but everyone defending the heart attack line is guzzling joell.im anhuge fan of his but that line is disrespectful.yeah a heart attack is common but u know this man did from one y would u throw that in a song.would u mention a aids punchline in a eazy e tribute?no,y?cuz its disrespectful.

  • NuffRespectDue

    Big up to Cuban Link and Pun's widow for puttin Joell in check. That's disrespectful and cold hearted as fuck to do a punchline that based on Pun's cause of death. It's tone deaf at best. But at the same time I think it would have been better if they had checked Joell outside of the media, because by checkin him in the media they come off less genuine as though they are lookin for publicity like some of ya'll said.

  • DETROIT

    GTFOH 2 NIGGAZ SAYIN CUBAN IS WACK. I MOST DEF FUCK WIT CUBAN, AND THINK HE WOULDA DONE SOME BIG THINGS HAD PUN NOT DIED. HE KEEP GRINDIN WHILE BITCH ASS DUDES TRYNA BLACK BALL. BUT ORTIZ BY NO MEANS WAS DISRESPECTFUL THE DUDE IS MAD NICE AND HE BRINGIN SHINE BACK TO THE LATIN COMMUNITY. I'VE RESPECTED AND LIKED CUBAN'S MUSIC FOR A LONG TIME SHIT WHEN MY BRO DIED WE BANGED FLOWERS FOR THE DEAD AT THE FUNERAL HOME, BUT DUDE REALLY NEED TO LET THIS SHIT GO DO A JOINT TOGETHER STREET MIX TO PUN IS BACK OR SUMTHIN IF IT WASNT ORTIZ I MIGHT COSIGN CUBAN BUT ORTIZ IS THAT NICE.

  • Anonymous

    fuck cuban link you are pathetic saying that bullshit about joel ortiz.

  • janffm

    cuban link ... u're a fine MC but u're started to get too feminine on what gets said on wax ... the only thing we need from u is hot record, leave all that mumbling for your mama

  • yo

    Cuban Link: oh yea, there's a fourth strike. in his second verse, Joell rapped, "fe fi fo fum, im a giant in this one." Are you comparing my brother to the big, ugly, and fat giant in Jack and the Beanstalk??? that's fuckin disrespectful!! Pun got feelings too, and it hurts when u call my nigga big, ugly, and fat! now that crosses the line!

  • Dac

    nigga hasnt been relevant for yrs so now in the past 2-3 hes been talkin greezy bout Joes Fat ass cause he makin money now and now hes just findin a reason to hate on joell

    • Anonymous

      For reaaal, even when big pun was around nobody in cali gave a fuuuuuck about these guys except for big pun!

  • Hex

    This guy is a sad, pathetic faggot. The only reason he's making so much noise about Joell's track is that no one gives a shit about him so he thinks this will garner him some publicity; "defending his friend's honor" or some shit. Lol. Fuck him. Mad 'cause Joell is part of one of the most talked about crews/record labels is hip-hop right now. Going off on him won't get you shit but well-deserved hate. And to think Joell was actually paying tribute and is clearly a huge fan of Pun.

  • cjrz

    Wow. Cuban Link is a moron. His "three strikes" are all petty. Why can't somebody be the 'new' Big Pun? People use that all of the time and only if you equate 'new' with 'better than' does it become a problem. Not everything that is new is *better* than what proceeded it. And really, your feelings are hurt because he used the word heart-attack? Haha. What a girl. Like @Brian Tate said: heart attacks aren't rare, it's a common metaphor, etc. He's clearly honoring Pun and Cuban should respect him for that rather than nitpicking over a few non-issues.

    • Cage

      ^^ Well said. Cuban, just shut the fuck up about it bruh. I liked his drama better when he was barkin on khaleds bitch ass... "The don, my nigga.. .the don!!"

  • Dominel

    im pretty sure Joell was talking about Joe Budden being snuffed not fat Joe...And Secondly Pun Sister said shes cool with the song...And theres nothing wrong with wanting to be like Pun...So i think the whole issue is wack

  • Hamlet

    Lol, fuck Cuban Linx

  • Anonymous

    Dudes cant even pay respect to somebody these days without getting hated on...im sure when he said he wants to be the next pun, he meant it as being the next latin rapper to platinum..its not that serious...and cuban link you should really stop trying to capatalize off of this, you need to stop it b...go back under the rock you came from under

    • Dount worry bout it

      CUBAN LINK IS ILL...point. blank. period!!! That dude can spit. I really don't know why Cuban is mad at that though, he know how the game go. Joell ain't sh-t on him or nothing the song was out of love, yeah I guess it was some for of exploitation these days, but Cuban or Puns wife aint making it no better. They should have just put the Cease and desist note out and left it at that if they really gave a damn.

  • Brian Tate

    Pun had issues with Joe? Really playboy?? Wasn't aware. You know, the way you rant about Joel's track one would swear he was down with TS for some years before the track dropped! The heart attack line? You gonna reach on that like a heart attack is a rare thing!! Just get off it. You weren't even relevant when you had a buzz!

    • dont worry bout it

      yeah i dont recall any beef between Pun and Joe, but definitely between Pun and Cuban. Cuban got bucked across the face for smashing off Joe's wife. And Joe black balled him. Puns wife instigated an "afterdeath" beef between pun and joe because she was saying joe wasnt giving her Puns rightfully roaylties...but who knows, seems fishy

  • Nit

    Doesn't anybody get it? When you become irrelevant in the hip hop/rap game, you start taking shots at whoever is hot at the moment or is creating a good buzz. I see no disrespect with the song. Him trippin about saying heart attack was a trip. So everyone or every article that mentions heart attack and Big Pun together is disrespectful. Come on man! Pun was a beast. I am a fan of his music. I'm also a fan of Joell Ortiz! He's given props to Pun on several older songs too. Oh yeah. How many times have rappers mentioned they're the next Pac or Big. Hell, no one has a problem with Jay Z constantly comparing himself or saying he's nicer than Big. Its music. Its entertainment..............R.I.P. Big Pun, Biggie, Pac and all of the other fallen artists over the years................ P.S. Joell, keep doing your thing.

  • Ado Cob

    good god, no one gives a fuck.

  • MrObvious

    He should be more mad at the gay ass songs Drake has been dropping...Drakes doing more to shit on the music Big Pun helped build than Joell Ortiz and Rick Ross combined.

  • Anonymous

    All those tracks, tupac is back and this big pun is back track. All of those songs were shit. The only reason I clicked them was the title. Only reason they get attention was the title. The songs were hot garbage. PEACE.

    • dont worry bout it

      I think that is Cuban Link's point...DONT PUT OUT NO HOT GARBAGE AND PUT MY BOYS NAME ON IT CUZ THEY SONG SUX AND PUN WOULD TERRORIZE YOU LYRICALLY FOR PUTTING THAT OUT IN HIS NAME, AND THE ONLY REASON PEAOPLE ARE CLIKCKING THE SONG IS CUZ MY BOYS NAME IS ON IT...i think thats what Cuban is trying to say.

    • Anonymous

      Big pun is back is a good track.

  • Richard Powell

    THIS nigga needa shut the fuck up! he was just bigging up big pun!

  • Louis Marquis Hawthorne

    This muhfuckka needs to STFU!!!! Cuban Link hasn't mattered since Joey gave him a Buck 50!!!! Wasn't he supposed to be in some scarface movie remake??? How about gte off Pun's nuts, damn, Diddy don't like ride Biggie no more, how about you do something with your self instead of fishing for beef with joell, besides HE'LL DESTROY ANY TS MEMBER IN A BATTLE, FAT JOE INCLUDED...

  • Anonymous

    waaahh wahhhh. Nigga take that hat off, you ain't Russell Simmons.

  • Lol

    It does make a little more sense now that he elaborated it, but still. It was just a song in honor of Big Pun. Whether it was the smarted idea? I don't know, but now since this happened how many of these new kids youtubed "big Pun"? I think Cuban Link is just trying to get some shine off of it all.

  • Mr Flamboyant

    (gazing towards the heavens) Oh. My bad. Let's get after it. I actually understand Cuban Linx's problem with the song now. I don't know the ins and outs regarding the situation. I don't know if he's digging too deep into the situation truthfully (no homo). But at least he stated his case with reason, unlike that damn widow. Eh... (kanye shrug) Truthfully this needs to go away. Everyone needs to sit down and chill out.

  • ob1

    man he trippin!!! joell is dope!!!! he 10x better than him like somebody said he need to step his bars up!! he didn't mean no disrespect he just looked up to pun

  • Carlos

    Son need to get his own bars up instead of trying to spark controversy with this. Who gave him the flag to say who can say what about who? Just because that was your man you still trying to pimp him to keep your name hot. Joell made a dope track to pay homage and duke knit picking it apart for what? It's just hip hop and music son no more no less

  • Anonymous

    Now that Cuban Link broke it down more than Pun's wife, it does seem kinda more disrespectful. It seemed like Pun's wife just wanted attention.

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