Kendrick Lamar’s success over the last few years has been at a steady incline, gaining fans and fame each and every day. Most things have gone his way, however not everything has been perfect for the Los Angeles native during his musical career.

Recently participating in a Noisey “Back & Forth” segment with BMX rider Nigel Sylvester, K Dot recalled one of his biggest downfalls or dark career moments. He also reiterated the importance of making timeless music.

“When I was younger I was caught into trying to make a radio song,” Kendrick said. “[I was] chasing something that was only for the moment, you’re not chasing longevity so the more and more I was focusing on artists that embody something bigger… I actually started developing myself to a whole another level than I could possibly imagine.”

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Kendrick Lamar also recalled the moment he knew he wanted to be a rapper.

“First time I heard my voice played back [it was like] I got to be doing this,” he said. “This is like crack, it’s like crack.”

Watch the full video segment below:

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