N.Y. State of Mind: Lil Wayne And Hip Hop Elitism

Making country-fried Rap in 2012 won't automatically make New York emcees better, but open-mindedness is encouraging in a genre with such a deep history of regional bias.

When Lil Wayne made headlines last week, bluntly saying, “Flat out, I don't like New York,” fans and media were stunned. They shouldn’t be.

While everyone points to Wayne’s gun conviction in the Big Apple, as well as Peter Rosenberg’s foolish rant against Nicki Minaj, Tunechi’s problems with NYC go back at least to 2006. In his duet with Robin Thicke, “Shooter,” Wayne quite eloquently expressed the sentiments of dozens of Southern rappers before, and dozens since:

“And to the radio stations, I'm tired of being patient / Stop being rapper racists, region-haters / Spectators, dictators, behind door dick-takers / It's outrageous! You don't know how sick you make us / I want to throw up like chips in Vegas,” rhymes an audibly irritated Wayne. If it’s not clear at this point that he’s talking about East Coast Hip Hop radio—with New York being the bastion of it—Weezy removes all doubt with his last line: “But this is Southern, face it / If we too simple, then y'all don't get the basics.”

New York, New York, Big City of Dreams

New York has long had a superiority complex. Hip Hop’s roots are credited to New York—in particular, the Bronx. In its early days the game was critically and commercially ruled by mainstays like KRS-One, LL Cool J, Run-DMC and the Beastie Boys. However, by the early ‘90s, New York had become like American car companies: making products that no one wanted to buy. NYC was falling drastically behind the imports—the West Coast. Russell Simmons, responsible for helping define so much of the East Coast Hip Hop’s sound, explains the phenomenon in his book, Life And Def:

“The East Coast (primarily New York, New Jersey, Philadelphia and D.C.) had a lot of power in marketing, promoting and breaking acts. Whether it was BET, MTV Jams or the editors of rap magazines, all of these key hip-hop media outlets were (and still are) heavily influenced by New York hip-hop DJs, whose playlists reflect local taste. As a result, things happening musically on the West Coast and in the South were not getting great support from New York tastemakers. This made it difficult for these acts and their culture to be exposed in the same way that New York was exposed in Los Angeles. New Yorkers started to take their dominance for granted and became elitist, and that’s why L.A. kicked our ass so hard. We in New York are no longer making what America wanted to hear, and L.A. was.”

Switch to Southpaw

Does Simmons’ assessment remind you of anything? It should. Though the South has been dominating the Hip Hop game since the early-to-mid-2000s, New York artists have still been largely reluctant to give emcees from below the Mason Dixon line. From Nas’ whiny Hip Hop Is Dead, which a number of Southern artists rightly took umbrage to, to Mysonne’s response to Wayne (garnering a giant “who cares?”), Southern emcees have struggled to gain a modicum of respect from their East Coast peers. Even today, Outkast, Scarface, and UGK are considered the exception—not the rule. And while New Yorkers love DJ Premier, they drag their feet in mentioning that he is a Houston native. Commercially, DMX’s …And then there Was X, 50 Cent’s Get Rich or Die Tryin’ and The Massacre, and Jay-Z’s Vol. 3…Life And Times of Shawn Carter were the only top-sellers from New York to be released in the aughts. Note that only The Massacre was a post-2003 release, and that Vol. 3 dropped in ’99.

Emcees who’ve failed to embrace the Southern shift in Hip Hop in one way or another, have largely fallen to the wayside. An entire generation of New York emcees (Grafh, Papoose, etc.) never got their careers off of the ground, assuming that simply being an above-average lyricist from a New York borough would be enough to launch a career. Others, like Fat Joe, eventually took to pandering. Is this to suggest that New York emcees should all be rapping about wood grain and candy paint? Of course not. But one emcee’s foresight into the South’s eventual dominance is a perfect example of how not being elitist is a huge asset in the cut-throat Rap game.

Well before Outkast was going diamond and Houston had a career year with Slim Thug and Paul Wall, Jay-Z was embracing his Southern counterparts. Including UGK on the smash hit “Big Pimpin’” was not only a stroke of artistic genius, but it was a shrewd move by Hov to move from being a regional artist to one that many Hip Hop scenes could relate to. Among Jay’s most prolific collaborators have been Timbaland, whose credits include “Big Pimpin,” “Nigga What, Nigga Who,” and “Dirt Off Your Shoulders.” Fellow Virginia native, Pharrell, is a close second with contributions such as “I Just Wanna Love U, (Give It 2 Me)” and “Excuse Me Miss.” Jay didn’t just use these producers on throw-away cuts, either—they’ve been his go-to hitmakers for years. And let’s not forget Jay’s appearance on the “Ha” remix. Even in 1998 Jay was branching out, standing out as the only non-Cash Money artist on Juvenile’s 400 Degreez.

And what’s the result of Jay-Z’s forward thinking? Well, he’s outlasted every generation of New York emcee since the late ‘80s. Sure, Hov is an outstanding emcee and boasts some one of Hip Hop’s finest catalogues, but it’d be foolish to think that Shawn Carter doesn’t owe part of his success to Southern Hip Hop and Southern Hip Hop fans.

The Originator, None Greater

New York’s elitism extends even to Hip Hop’s origins and rise to prominence, explains Bastard Swordsman’s Steven “Dart” Adams, whose writing can also be found at Producers I Know, KillerBoombox, and Hip Hop Wired:

“New York, in the early years of Hip Hop's development, was looked on rather resentfully. Since New York birthed Hip Hop, they were slow to acknowledge or even give props to any areas or cities that weren't within the five boroughs. Keep in mind that it took [years for] legends from Long Island and Staten Island to emerge before two were even acknowledged by New York. And they were in New York!”

New York’s attitude negatively impacted some of its East Coast counterparts, despite their significant contributions.

“The greatest deejays overall were in Philly; we all know this,” said Adams. “Many of Marley Marl and the earliest incarnations of the Juice Crew released their records on Philly Hip Hop label Pop Art. Before that, Philly had a burgeoning graf scene years before New York's exploded. Many of the most respected pioneers in Hip Hop in the realms of production, emceeing and deejaying in the New York Hip Hop scene were actually from New Jersey. When we talk about the producers in Hip Hop that made sampling the new production aesthetic, we often mention Marley Marl, Ced Gee or Paul C. But many forget that [New Jersey's] DJ Mark The 45 King was right there with them if not possibly better. The loaded crew Flavor Unit (Chill Rob G, Latee, Lakim Shabazz, Double J, Markey Fresh, etc.) made people recognize that New Jersey was chock-full of emcees. That lineage continues on with Queen Latifah, Apache, Treach, Tame One, El Da Sensei, Outsidaz, Redman, etc. Even the Sugar Hill Gang were from New Jersey.”

“Boston's contributions to early Hip Hop (and New York's entire music scene in general) are overlooked by everyone but Bostonians,” Adams added. “Arthur Baker, Michael Jonzun and Maurice Starr were instrumental in making a great deal of hits for Tommy Boy Records that people see to this day as New York Hip Hop anthems. Whether it be ‘Jazzy Sensation,’ ‘Play At Your Own Risk,’ ‘Planet Rock,’ ‘Looking For The Perfect Beat,’ ‘ Freez,’ ‘I.O.U.’ and New Order's ‘Confusion,’ amongst others, Boston producers not only made huge Hip Hop records, but they were pioneers in the Electro sound (which blew up in the West Coast, specifically L.A. Talk about irony).”

Adams elaborated, explaining New York’s complicated relationship with Boston and Connecticut:

“While Boston was the second city to get a Hip Hop radio show after New York, it was a popular tour destination for New York emcees. Labels used to cherry pick talent from Boston for years, and there was a history of Bostonians in New York's music industry that were never acknowledged. Same for Connecticut. Much in the same way New Jersey, Philly and Boston had made significant contributions to the New York Hip Hop scene and were the first places Hip Hop reached after it spread outside of the Bronx then the outer boroughs, Connecticut never was recognized for its role in New York Hip Hop. Outside of The Skinny Boys, Connecticut was inside the tri-state area so it was infused with Hip Hop rather early on. Many Connecticut natives were living in New York and contributing to its scene (as evidenced by the compilation ‘The Third Unheard’). What if Dooley-O never used the Skull Snaps drums on ‘It's A New Day’ and let his cousin who was a backup dancer for EPMD, Stezo (also from Connecticut) rock it on ‘It's My Turn?’ We had Chris Lowe, who was right there with Paul C, Paul Juice (later Large Professor), EPMD, Stezo and Dooley-O in the early days and later was an affiliate of the Hit Squad (and some think he's Mr. Bozack).”

“In any event, when Rodney O & Joe Cooley made the Fuck New York album in 1993 out of frustration of them not recognizing other cities as being ‘Hip Hop’ (although it was largely in response to Tim Dog's ‘Fuck Compton’ and later Masta Ace Inc.'s Slaughtahouse), I could understand where they were coming from...”

It Ain’t Where You’re From, It’s Where You’re At

Circling back to the controversy surrounding Lil Wayne’s comments, New York finds itself making the same mistake it made with the South in the mid-2000s, with the West Coast in the early ‘90s (note, by the way, that some of Ice Cube’s most successful work was produced by Long Island production collective the Bomb Squad), and with surrounding regions that contributed to New York’s cultural Hip Hop boom. Whether it’s a misguided statement by a Hot 97 deejay, or a senator with too much time on his hands (and the mistaken belief that Hollis, Queens is the birthplace of Hip Hop), New York would be well-served to practice some humility, rather than cling to an outdated idea that it still runs the game.

However, there are some promising signs. Despite Peter Rosenberg’s rants, his Hot 97—where Hip Hop lives, allegedly—embraces a much more diverse sound, regionally-speaking, than it used to. Only six of the current songs on Hot 97’s playlist are accredited to New York artists. The other 25 come from the likes of T.I., 2 Chainz and Loverance. Sure, one can argue that having 2 Chainz at the top of your playlist is no great victory, but it shows that New Yorkers are at least embracing more than one type of sound. New York emcees have also branched out, with Harlem native A$AP Rocky gathering support “despite” his Houston-inspired sound. Rocky, who fairly recently brought out Master P at one of his shows, found influences not just from New York crews like Wu-Tang Clan, Mobb Deep, and The Diplomats, but also Southern staples like UGK and Three 6 Mafia. It’s almost poetic that a rapper named after Rakim, the standard by which all New York Rap is (was?) measured, is defying regional expectations by simply making the style of music that suits him best. This isn’t to say making country-fried Rap in 2012 automatically makes you better, but open-mindedness is encouraging in a genre with such a deep history of regional bias.

Slava Kuperstein is an Ellicott City, Maryland native by way of Odessa, Ukraine who has been writing for HipHopDX since 2006. Follow him on Twitter @SlavaK87.



  • Anonymous

    looks like this clown wants to start another hip hop civil war.....peep my homie's blog 4 his response to this editorial. http://djmistarob.blogspot.com/2012/09/hip-hop-civil-waris-it-really-necessary.html

  • Xavier

    and another thing if new york rappers where hating on cats just because they arent from ny why dont they ever diss the mid west like chi-town and ohio why is it just the south.. U KNOW WHY CAUSE THEY GOT SHIT LIKE 2 CHAINNZZZZZ!!!

  • Xavier

    Im from virginia and we are not the south but listnen..I love new york hip hop..Its not that new york rappers just hate on the south because new york isnt the dominant region anymore its just that most wack rappers who cant spit predominantly come from the south. Scarface and outcast and z-ro dont get hated on by ny cats. Listnen when u wack u wack..Stop tryna make this sound like oh newyork niggas is just hating cuz they aint poppin

  • Long Beach Ninja

    Y'all NY bitches won't even admit Preemo is from Houston SMH.

  • gilliedakid

    :youtube/lil' wayne comes out of the closet at 2011 vma

  • Anonymous

    I was there in the beginning. It was us kids in the 5 Boroughs who made rap music something that is here to stay. We developed the hip hop culture. If it wasn't for us, this site wouldn't even be here. Show some fucking respect.

  • SvR247365

    yo, this is by far the most irresponsible narrow minded piece of garbage article I have EVER read in my entire life! slava kuperstein or whatever your name is... You fuckin bitter ass hater! your not even american according to you! u sound ridiculous! elitist? You not stating no truth or actuality your speaking from your opinion with a lopsided point of view! Im sorry nobody wanted to hear about whoever from wherever back when THE WORLD was being captivated by superior artist like a slick rick, Big daddy Kane or a Run DMC, but the new craze was Hip hop and it was out of NYC! SORRY! Im sorry NYC is the BIRTHPLACE of it all...Im so sorry you hate that shit and cant do nothing about it to save your sorry ass life...but get the fuck over yourself already! MUSIC is at an all time LOW! HIP HOP isnt viewed as a culture by anyone NOWHERE and Rap music is fuckin hustle and isnt treated like an actual music genre! Talk about that shit! Talk about how fucked up the music industry is... and GO IN about it! You over here tryin to defend lil waynes corny ass statement which by the way wasnt even a headline until one of you lazy 'journalist' made it about NY on one of your 'hip hop' websites! Talk about some actual SOLUTIONS instead of finger pointing! nothing about your rant was constructive, it was in fact DESTRUCTIVE and helps nobody but you and hiphopdx! Bringin up old names from the 80s and 90s to make some moot point about NOTHING! what you still bringin up NYC for if NY fell off in the early 2000s? What you tryin to prove? ok NY artist aint on the radio...OK?! so now what? keep bringin up old times when it was hard for ANY artist top get play on the radio even NY artist? FOH man! you aint talkin about that! talk about how the grammys refused to broadcast hip hop artist getting awards! You act like the people of NY was responsible for signing acts from the south or running major lables! wtf? so you sayin to my fault? And what you mean 'Nas whiney hip hop is dead'? Your the Fuckin cry baby! sounding like a bitter bitch! what exactly about that album was whiney? stop exciting your desperate misguided hip hop dx loser users! You already know they show up by the hundreds faithfully to argue about south/ny/black/white/ you name it everyday! Why dont you speak on how half ass journalist do more sensationalism than actual journalism! Talk about how all you so called hiphop websites throw stones then hide your hands! You guys NEVER take responsibility for ANYTHING yall write! Its like the VIBE magazine east/west bullshit Times 100! You sorry sack of shit...and Im not hiding nowhere Im logged in with my actual facebook account with my actual screen tag I use...fuckin loser...

  • gilliedakid

    -youtube/lil' wayne comes out of the closet at 2011 vma


    This is one of the Reasons why HIP HOP is DEAD, WTF are you writing about?? is this a Wikipedia researched article?? this shit doesnt even read correctly from someone inside NY Hip Hop who watched the Ebb & Flow..dude, your attempts to try and explain the game is Sorry as Fuck..Stick to Ukranian affairs..this aint your culture

  • Mr. West

    yeah we fell of for uh Min but thanks to Game for holding it down and we coming BACK T.D.E. O.M.G. BITCHES...TALKIN BOUT REAL RAP NOT THAT CANDY SHIT ON THE RADIIO. Goddamn! New York City! Skyscrapers and everything! [Ice Cube] Back in the day, we used to respect y'all niggas We used to be down with y'all niggas All you have for the West Coast, is criticism and disrespect So I say to you and your city Y'all niggas will never get our respect again Westside nigga (Keeping it real) Yeah! (Keeping it real) [All] WESTSIIIIIDE! Is Brooklyn in the house?!? (Check it out) What about Queens in the house?!? (INGLEWOOOOD!!!) Manhattan in the house?!? (South Central) Long Island in the house?!? (Check it out) Is the Bronx in the house?!? (Waddup) Staten Island in the house?!? (Woop woop) The West Coast is in the house sayin Why you talkin loud?!? What you talkin bout?!? [Ice Cube] Fuck all the critics in the N-Y-C Who wants to rock the microphone after me? Think of who you are and who you be My energy holds it down like the NFC I'm going thorough thru your borough Wit my Raider jacket and my jheri curl, gangstas rule the world On the west, nevertheless, W-S We got the bomb and you niggas got the stress [Mack 10] You couldn't have said it no better homeboy With my automatic toy, I kill and destroy These buster ass critics from the N-Y-C Don't they know that I be from the I-N-G My peeps play for keeps, deep crews pay dues By murder ones and twos, rip riders and Damus Choose to stay gangsta, you never ever ran us We bustin clips like bananas, sportin colored bandanas [WC] It's the Mister hoodsta, cap peeler Dusty ass New York critic killer Dumping and pumping the motherfuckin lead in their chest Because ain't none of them niggas ever gave it up for the West So now it's on and, the gauge in my pants got me limpin Fuck U-N-I-T-Y, I'm coast trippin Saggin as a Pelle, smashin tape recorders This is 187 on a New York reporter "New York, New York" "New York, New York" "New York, New York" "New York, New York" [Ice Cube] Fuck all the critics in the N-Y-C Tryin to get an East hip-hop monopoly But I've been writing gangsta shit since '83 When y'all was still scared to use profanity Now everybody wanna run and go and get triggers And blame it on these West Coast seven-figure niggas Just because we made it real niggas got to deal I hope blood ain't got to spill, I kill [Mack 10] It's like the battle of the sexes You wanna treat us like bitches cos we're platinum when we flex this With mic in hand, fans in the stands We make a mill-ion from California to Japan, bitch Went overseas, seen D's how we done it 88's to 100's to let me know who really run it This West Coast gangsta shit got it crackin, or we jackin Packin nina's and sellin out arenas, niggas [WC] You make me wanna holler, throw up both my Dubs And roll these niggas up, I got to beat em When I see me, T-Roller cut off his scrotum Leave em bleedin in particles for them biases articles I'm mashin and blastin so get the casket I bet you after this I get a fuckin hip-hop classic I'm banning you niggas from the scene Kickin over newstands, pouring gasoline on your magazines [Ice Cube] To the West my niggas, to the West To the West my niggas, to the West To the West my niggas, to the West We the best my niggas don't stress Fuck all the critics in the N-Y-C And your articles tryin to rate my LP Fuck your backpacks and your wack ass raps Sayin we ain't real because we make snaps Sellin 6-fo's to the dab, what you lookin at? With your Brooklyn hat and your pen and pad, nigga I got a pocket full of green busting at the seams Fuck your baggy jeans, fuck your magazines [Mack 10] Hey hey hey, what's happenin round tre? It's still M-Y critic K on mines all motherfuckin day It's a trip the script flipped from when you niggas was bossin Got to flossin, fell off, and got the nail in the coffin Who wanna regret, fuckin with my set I be a 24-year street Westside Connect vet You niggas better watch how you greet us when you meet us We packin heaters and the only way you beat us is cheat us [WC] AIIIIYO!!! Nigga fuck that shit I gotta, kill it kill it, fuck a New York critic He write about how I lived it, did it, plus I'm still with it Puttin it down on all these DJs, hate, fakin and flakin Never once played my record on their radio station No love for a New York critic or disc jock Matter of fact I'm blamin all y'all for fuckin up hip-hop [All] Is Brooklyn in the house?!? (Check it out) What about Queens in the house?!? (WESTSIIIIIIIDE!!!) Manhattan in the house?!? (And it don't stop) Long Island in the house?!? (YEAH! YEAH! Check it out) Is the Bronx in the house?!? Staten Island in the house?!? (Say what say what??) The West Coast is in the house sayin (Yeah) Why you talkin loud?!? What you talkin bout?!? [Ice Cube] Why talkin loud?!? What you talkin bout?!? [repeat 15x] WESTSIDE NIGGA!!! [Mack 10 talking over Ice Cube] Yeah, take it how you wanna take it, punk We're gonna make it how We gonna make it, punk What y'all niggas talkin about? Y'all ain't acquantin and barkin on hip-hop This Westside Connection WESTSIIIIDE!!!

  • Anonymous


  • ziploc

    Not really getting the point of this article without having to lean on the obvious bias from the writer. Valid points were made but it's hard for someone wasn't around that era to fully understand hip hop from that era,things have changed,not just the popular region that dominates the sonic landscape of hip hop. NY was arrogant and in my opinion rightfully so..NY hip hop and it's culture dominated in a way the South doesn't even do today,and that's not a diss to Southern hip hop or it's artists.The building blocks were being set back then,and everything that came after is build of the that blueprint if not commercially then at least artistically,you can not deny that the influence of NY hip hop has a greater cultural significance than the commercial succes of Southern hip hop,how great the cultural significance will be, time will tell..but to flat out compare the two based on what people where saying and experiencing back then holds no weight for me

    • Anonymous

      Ever read the book who moved my cheese. Well things changed. New York's arrogance is what got them in the state they're in. The south is way more diverse and open to try new things thats why they winning. Jay Z was smart enough to see that and hense he is still on top.

  • The Dope General

    So in short this guy is saying New York, and the beast coast, has fallen off, and that we're ignorant to our surrounding area's influence. GET THE F**K OUTTA HERE. New York ran hip-hop in the 80's, 90's, and is still killing now. So when did we fall off. Also what hip-hop head actually feeds into mainstream radio. How long has S.O.B.'s been shining the light on out of state and largely unknown hip-hop talent? A while. So before you make brash remarks at my home get your sh*t straight and you might not lose anymore readers.

  • So Icy Boi!

    fuck New York. East Coast niggaz cant rap. their muzik is old and outdated. Lil Wayne, 2 Chainz, Rick Ross and Drake are da new true God MCs/Poets. swag

  • W9D

    Hip-hop/Rap, whatever you want to call it, cannot be defined by any region anymore. There is no longer such a thing as "Southern Rap," or "East Coast" or West Coast." Hip-hop, in large-part, has become Pop music and is a nationalized phenomenon. There are those that orient their music to Top-40 radio, whether it actually gets there or not, and those who don't. Hip-hop culture is now pop culture for young people of all races, so it cannot be considered regionalized in any way. It's already been appropriated to appeal to the masses all over the country and all over the world.

  • Anonymous

    judging from the writer's cheap shot at Nas' Hip-Hop Is Dead, it seems like he took the same approach that Mack 10 & Ice Cube took to Common's "I Used To Love H.E.R.".

  • Anonymous

    to be honest the south hates on anything that isnt from the south, those dudes are just ignorant for no reason down there

  • Anonymous

    well if he had made that statement when Shooter came out, i would care. but i could give 2 fucks now cause he sucks

  • chillthrills

    anyone on here talking that regional shit,,,is a lost,,,willie lynch trick,,,the reason hip-hop is the way it is right now because they dont want the ebony to wake up,,,,,jay-z said it the best,, feds they like wack rappers,,,as long as certain rap artist just suck off the status quo,,,and do anything or say anything for money,,,,hip-hop will be fucked,,,,lil wayne is not a threat,,,,rick ross is not a threat,,,ti is not a threat,,,,,non of these artist now a days are threats to the status quo,,,,,,hip-hop at its best is rebellious against the system,,,,as long as motherfuckers is following the bafoonary the whole game will continue to be wack,,,,fuck if a nigga dont like a city,,that shows you his depth of thought,, and his place on the food chain,,,,

  • @agentace2050

    Wow, first of all this was the longest article I read on this site. I'm actually surprised how long it is. Def. sparked a lot of comments. With that being said, I'll try to make this as short as possible. Music is all a contribution to society as a whole. Period. Who cares if you're from N.Y., L.A., N.O., HOU, CHI, BOS etc. it's all about what you contribute to music. In this case it's hip hop. I'm from NY, Staten Island born and raised, and I must admit I feel NY has lost it's identity because the originality is gone or is fading away. With that being said, is NY the end all be all? No, not at all. Is it the south? No not all. West? No. It's all about making dope music. Everyone wants to claim "entitlement" but for those, who are claiming it, your no worst than the state (NY) that you claim was claiming entitlement in the first place! It shouldn't be a region thing. It should be originality creativity and dope music. Period. The "my state is better than your state". argument is wack. NY def. should stop with all the pride, the south, midwest, west, and make dope music. Classic hip hop.

  • Anonymous

    elokquently stated, it is indeed an "acquired taste",I dont think the fallout comes from people actually disliking the sound, I think its more New Yorker's sense of entitlement and the attitude that "this is Real HipHop", when you use the word real in a description of something youre implying that other regions are not real.....But yes, the New York sound is strictly a New York thing and has never been, nor will it ever be universally accepted...so sorry guys....

  • Anonymous

    The New York sound has always been a regional sound, which is why the Midwest, West, and Southern regions never attempted its duplication....the shit is an acquired taste that nobody but those residing on the East Coast likes. For many years that sound was force-fed to the public. New Yorkers just don't get it....very few outside of that region have ever embraced that sound....its a hollow, less soulful sound that pretty much sucks ass....-

    • Bradzuk

      Wow. because they dont leace their break beat loops with r&b samples its a hollow sound? So many (including probably a large majority of people outside of the east) would argue that the fluff of soul/R&b samples was a superficial and overwhelmingly negative departure from the more succinct, horn and break beat driven NY beats. they would argue that the need to prop up poor lyricism with r&b hooks and catchy melodies is a hollow degradation of golden era rap. Im not one of those people. I'm on the Jay-Z train, gettin behind Kanyes chipmunk soul and UGK's syrup sound like its nobodies business. I'm an oakland boy, born and raised, and I think hyphy was a welcome and fascinating departure from an equally loved west coast underground scene (TOo Short, Hiero, Digital Uderground). I love gangsta rap from both coasts, and think Outkast is the best hip hop has to offer. So I dont think NY is intensly superior. But i recognize its greatness, and see your ignorant separatism as equally dangerous and douchy as Ny elitism. Get over yourself.

    • tonytoca

      "its a hollow less soulful sound" explain how the south isnt hollow when every other song is about your gold teeth or falling in love with a stripper?

  • The G.O.D.

    Peace Individual taste plays a major role in what we listen to-at the same time you have to recognize garbage for what it is-on radio, you do have garbage 99.9% percent of the time and reasons are several: mainstream radio never catered to hip-hop music way back; college/local radios used to pump real shit now that has died out. Right now you have a bunch of rich white folks telling dudes how to be black or what black is supposed to be if you will and this shit is turning into a minstrel show; targeted audience has ADD and being bombarded by swag/fag songs and we could go on and you have idiots like that writer adding to the nonsense. Thus, the listening experience is limited. PEACE

    • Anonymous

      Co-sign. This is the most sensible comment I've seen in this article. Slava is a punk aswell.

    • Mental

      @ The G.O.D. - Yeah your comment was dead on. What the general masses don't seem to understand is that "The Media" has been going strong with dumbing-down the people via TV/Radio/Print/Internet in the form of entertainment and their doing a great job at it because it's going right over some of the people's head. The writer of this article doesn't seem to see the bigger picture according to the topic...but then again, the music industry has always been like that...everyone is a "yes-man" to whatever is hot in the game at the moment (i.e. payola). The real issue with the game is that no one is questioning authority...the Hip-Hop/Rap industry lost it's integrity. Hip-Hop/Rap has become the new house music...hardly anyone is making a classic album anymore...just singles that's hot for the moment. The music of today is an embarrassment to the long list of classic artist that made timeless music. NYC doesn't have an elite attitude in the music industry, its just that we have a long history of making classic albums (not just hot for the moment singles) so our respect for the game runs deep. We have love and respect for the game and you heard it in the variety of music, flows, and originality. The fact that the music industry is accepting of every artist and music producer sounding the same proves that they don't care about the art form...just keep programming the dumb-down music to the masses. We did it for the love of it, not for the buffoonery, shuckin & Jivin, and mantan idiocracy that's dumbing down the future generation. And if you don't believe that the media is dumbing down the younger generation (which is our future), then check out the documentary "Waiting for Superman"...it's real ya'll.

  • anon

    Dx is to ym biased for me

  • ISH

    Thats the problem right there, somebody else in the media speaking for the masses of peeps from NYC and not to the the masses of peeps in NYC. Everyone knows that damn ear if not all people in NYC have their roots and ties to other areas, with that being said we always had access to different flavors(music, clothes, etc) Ive been a DJ since 83 and to say we(NYC) didnt give love to other ares is pure foolishness. At the end of the day we didnt care where you were from, what we cared about was, were u good with the craft and had that love for it. There was variety and no one was gettin knocked for bein different if ur shit was on point. the wack shit didnt get played and DJS actually played shit that was hott not cause they got paid to. back then u could put on a joint an fall in love with it, now adays you have to listen to at track 30 times before u will say its ok ant that only because u have been programmed from listenin to it every few minutes. Rakim said it best, "it aint where u from its where u at". it dont matter where u from if ur bringing skils and good music to the table. If the media really talked to the masses and not just a certain age group, they would know its all about quality of music not the location of where it came from.

  • mista phil32

    a persons taste in music is personal. whats hot and who is hot is really irrelevant.

  • LupeX

    Jay Elect, J.Cole, Kendrick, Big KRIT, Black Hippy - the tru next Gen! Aint nobody checking 4 NY! Yall keep feeling yurselfs like chronic masturbaters, the rest of the country is laughing at y'all.

  • tonytoca

    oh and to what ever jerkoff wrote this article when the fuck did east coast fall off in the early 90's that was the golden era in newyork hiphop

    • Todd Gack

      and celph is from FL

    • Dumbass

      REKS is from boston

    • mike

      Exactly.. This cat cracks me up... East coast hip hop fell off when????.. Honestly if you were a true hiphop head it never really fell off anyway. You just started to hear more of that crunk/booty shake/Young Money garbage all over the radio. NY goes hard as ever.. NAS, Action Bronson, Reks, Celph Titled, and the list goes on...

  • tonytoca

    straight up the reason most people from ny and the north east area in general dont like southern rap is basic most of it is flat out shit,garbage,trash what ever you wanna call it but thats not to say theres no talent down south but most of what gets played is shit

    • tonytoca

      the radio in newyork plays alot of that shit thats why i dont listen to the radio, seriously its 2012 who still listens to the fucking radio and i didnt say no southern rappers are any good

    • LupeX

      J.Cole, Jay Elect, Kendrick, Big KRIT - the real next Gen,how many of them are from The East Coast? Let's even add A$AP Rocky, who's a Houston rapper born n raised in NY,NY. NY done been fell off long time ago, yall just keep listening to East Coast radio that be fooling yall with BS. NOTE: Im from Virginia

  • Anonymous

    pretty much a bs artical. certain artist from all over were mainstream by mid 90's.Rap industry wasn't what it is today. Radio rap now is'nt much different than pop music(i.e. brittney speares or justin bieber)

  • Anonymous

    yo, i know yall aint finna believe me but one of the best rappers in the South is "SPM"...he 's one of the first to go platinum from there, he went platinum in 1999, first Latino to do it after Big Pun, AND HE DID IT WITHOUT RADIO, which i think is legendary...he's probably THE FIRST RAPPER TO GO PLATINUM WITHOUT RADIO...he started hustling his music in 92, but has been battle rapping since like 89...He was original S.U.C. but was the first to branch out because of his success...shit but weezy is the first rapper out the South to say he doesnt like NYC...SMH, lets see how this plays out...its probably a publicity stunt..

  • true southerner

    It kills me how these Northerners act like NY is the only place where talented rhymers can come from, or that every Southern person is ignorant or uneducated. I dare anybody of these Northern people that hate on the South to say they have never bumped some T.I., Wayne, Luda, Jeezy, Rick Ross, B.O.B, Nelly, J. Cole, or the Clipse. I'm born and raised in the South and I'm just as capable & educated as ANY person from up North; we're not ignorant because some South people are.

    • Anonymous

      I seriously have never bumped T.I., Wayne, Luda, Young Jeezy, B.O.B., Nelly, or J.Cole How the fuck man did you forget outkast? Are you that fucking stupid? I listen to all NYC and Philly and I love Outkast. You gotta be 12 dude.

    • Jay

      Im from NY, and I know J.Cole is not sub-par. Niggas who say that shit, are usually the ones who listened to Sideline story singles. And thats it. Sub-par is A$AP Rocky. And he's from Harlem b.

    • realz

      every act u named is sub par, thats the problem,its not about being smart or where u from, its about the masses thinking what u think, sub par cole exc is great! shit is a joke!

  • Anonymous

    You know how stupid the south is in this country. They have been a part of America for over 200 years and still can't speak English. I need a translator when I talk to people from the south.

  • Anonymous

    The problem with this country is 80% of it is country. This country would be so much better if the south seceded. Everything the south touches in this country it ruins. You can add hip hop to the list.

    • RBanga!

      You must not realize that the majority of those old soul records that your favorite producers sampled came from southern artists or artists who moved north back in the day. No South and no Jamaicans = No Hip Hop in the first place. If you don't catch my meaning, you don't really know shit about Hip Hop in the first place.

  • Anonymous

    niggas call wayne a pop star.. like no ceilings was pop? sorry4the wait was pop? lil wayne is pop when he shows up on every kids bob, and i don't think his lyrics gonna make the disney channel cut. it sounds cute when y'all say it.. but it doesn't make sense.. wayne is no where near pop.

  • Anonymous

    niggas seem to hate on lil wayne every chance he get. This man been on top for atleast 6 years now. He is not a hot at the moment rapper this man been doing this. Stop hating punk ass niggas and give credit when credit is do. The lil nigga is a beast and have longevity. The man started out with the hotboys at 14 and still running shit at 29 years old.


    Waynes going to be remembered as the next pac. How can you not award him that right. Look how much he has done for hip hop. Hip Hop album says have been on slow decline, yet Wayne has been the small breath of air keeping it alive and bringing in money by bringing in ATTENTION. Attention is what keeps music or anything else alive. He branches out and does other things than music. He features on other artists of different genres albums. Pac would be proud of Wayne if he were still alive and I even believe he would agree to sign to Young Money records and help Wayne build even bigger empire. If Wayne were to die, he WOULD become the same vessel of icon as Pac was and still is to this day. Look how many people bite Waynes style same as they did pac(Nas, Ja Rule). Yall know its true but are just to afraid to admit it.

  • Anonymous

    man yall hatin ass niggas need to fall back Wayne is a ledgend in the making look at all the shit he has done at his age the man has an empire there is clearly nothing else for him 2do he just watchin these young cats do their thing Wayne will always have that title best rapper alive but let the man live he been givn yall crazy bars for yall 2 remember its time for him 2 take a break and live and for dat nigga who said K dot suck u fckin trippn K dot and J cole are two of the illest young lyricist out there do your homework faggot.

  • Anonymous

    lil waynes opinion is his opinion..e should respect new york though, tey are the originators of hip hop..if it werent for new york, lil wayne would probably be a broke nigga in NOLA sill..and how is he going to talk down on new york when they came out with jay z, na, biggie, the tribe, big l, big daddy, big pun, dmx, mos def, and sooo many more...waye came out with 2 god albums and thinks hes the best..he might have been the highest sellng at one point, but he has never been in the top 10 at any point in his life

  • Anonymous

    Lil Wayne is a tool and so is the outlets that cater to him.

    • ???

      @Icy Boi, I've read some of your stupid posts in the past, and I remember somebody asking you to kill yourself. I'm disappointed to see that you have not done so.

    • Icy Boi

      damn yall some hatin ass dudes man. Weezy been killin the game since his cash money days. Look how much he's done for hip hop and all yall do is hate. He's given us classics, and I agree his recent stuff doesn't top Carter 1 and 2, but you can't deny he's top 5 right now(top 3 actually). So many other wack rappers and yall choose to hate on Weezy. I bet yall them lame ass "real hip hop" fans who only bump Common(who sucks) and fuckin Mos Def. Them old ass fools don't even sell units, plus Wayne is lyrically shitting on them. Carter 2 still the best rap album of 2000 era. Fuck anyone who says any different(and Carter III is shitting on the majority of whats coming out today, including yall lame as opinions)

  • Anonymous

    The problem with the NY rap scene is that they haven't had any new torch holders since the early 2000s. Most of the people in the front are from the 90s such as Jay-z and Nas. They are dope but NY needs newer artists as well. I wouldn't mind seeing NY push some new artists. (Joey BadA$$ is dope though but they need more artists)

  • Mack

    Well judging off your opening statement you obviously are biased yourself.

  • NO Skills

    There is only a handful of rappers from the south talking about something. Everyone else is just followers. NY has brought the most creative lyrical artist out only a simpleton would deny that. I am all for letting other people do their art but lets have a balance. For every Lil Wayne song played there should be a Roots, Common, Mos Def, Phonte (little brother), Blu, and the list go on. West coast has some dope rappers as well; all one has to do is stay away from the radio, some of these fake hip hop sites, and research for themselves. But like I said, there are too many followers in and out of the industry. I am in the south (Atlanta) and this rap is garbage. There are some dope indie rapper artist here but you will never know because you are too busy following the mainstream.

  • NC King

    Hey its called karma! Karma like a motherfucker!!! NYC wouldn't acknowledge our (THE SOUTH) truly unique and creative artists and culture. Our whole style was beautiful and they hated on it hard in the 90's. So what happened??? Since they wouldn't acknowledge Scarface and Geto Boys, UGK, Outkast and Goodie Mob, and 8Ball and MJG, they got stuck with non stop 24/7 2 Chainz, Soulja Boy, Waka Flocka and shit. Not even I would wish that on NYC but hey it is what it is. KARMA IS A BITCH AND SHE DON'T PLAY FAIR!!!

    • reveu1

      The only two places in the south puttin out good music is texas and georgia with some artist sproutin up in differenat areas. but for the most part it's only been two places with consistent good music while the others are awful.

  • Anonymous

    The South is full of minor league culture MC's, they do what the corporate king pins tell them to do for air-play. Their fifteen minutes will be up soon. The trash won't last forever.

  • brawl

    South has the most garbage artist 2 chains future all those ignorant short bus fucks


    I think Lil Wayne was on point with what he said about New York. I mean really, what has New York given us besides Biggie Smalls? And even biggie wasn't on 2pac's radar. L.A. is the birthplace of hip-hop. NWA, 2pac, Snoop, Nate Dogg, Warren G, Daz & Kurrupt, Westside Connection, J Cole, Black Hippy, Blu & Fashawn. Now I'm all about Unity but my state has the best weather and is responsible for many Thanksgiving dinners around the Nation. More turkeys are raised in California than in any other state in the US. Fact. I think I've said enough. #Women #Weed #Weather

  • Marx

    I'll say it once again just like I always say on this site. HIP HOP NEEDS GENRES.

  • Fuck NY

    I'm glad to see them NY bitches are falling off and getting irrelevant, I'm sick of them hos.

  • Neazy

    Agreed with everything in the article. I think Southern rap requires a certain appreciation. I didn't get it until I made some friends in high school who listened strictly to southern rap. Before that I listened almost exclusively to midwest (Tech, Eminem, Kanye, Common) & east coast (Jay-Z, 50, the Roots, Talib Kweli, all the classics) rap. I just moved to NYC a couple months ago, and most New Yorkers I've met support French Montana more than they support ASAP Rocky. I always assumed it has less to do with actual musical content (since I don't think anyone would argue Montana is a better lyricist or is more original than ASAP) and more to do with the fact that Montana's flow sounds like he's from NY and Rocky doesn't really sound like he's from anywhere.

  • ETL

    Lack of unity is what's killing NY rappers, half of them are beefing with each other, not to mention that even though it's over a lot of people's heads they need to bring back NGE lessons into their music, leave the color gangs to the west, trappin to the south and speed rapping to the midwest, too busy dabbling in other regions' music styles and not helping your own. I'm saying go all boombap or breakbeats on us but find your own new sound like what Pete Rock,RZA and Preme did when everybody was on G funk, hell do what Southern acts did to get where they are now, be persistent instead of acting entitled.

  • Dtrain

    Commercial rap is ruled by Southern Rap Hurray and who cares....NY dominate hip hop from 79-94 with some of the greatest albums styles and producers... If lil Wayne is your claim to fam then you have issues..... Underground hip hop is dope and NY stills puts out dope artists...The difference is there are greats artists in Detroit, Ohio, Cali & DC that have been dominating the underground with great music....If your music is dope heads will buy it regardless of where your from...This article said Premo is from Tx and that is true but note these other artists...Tupac- NY, Shock G- NY, Exzibit- Michigan, Ice T- NJ, Task & E-swift- Ohio, Kurupt-Philly, House of Pain- NY, Coolio- Pittsburgh........So Even La has many cats that are from other places......

    • Jnutt

      Pac from Bodymore, Murdaland dumbsuck. And Wayne aint only claim, the article sites Outkast, UGK and Geto Boys, get out your ignorant hole in the ground

  • Anonymous

    nas did a song with scarface before big pimpin, someone needs to learn his hip hop.i dont blame u u from ukraine anyways

  • Anonymous

    same bitch that gave slau7ghter house 5 star

  • Anonymous

    Nas done songs with Wayne. Scarface. And other southern rappers as well. Ludacris. Jeezy. Fuck man what's wrong wit you

  • Anonymous

    Have you even heard hip hop is dead. Nas says 3 times in it that it's not the south that killed it. It's lazy rappers In general. .fuck you slava. DX needs a WHOLE NEW STAFF

  • MMG Uncut

    Thank your for this article Slava. The amount of angry new york backpackers proves your point- NYC is garbage now, they just can't get over it. You're done New York, you're the new west coast, noone cares about you anymore.

  • anonymous

    "Commercially, DMXs And then there Was X, 50 Cents Get Rich or Die Tryin and The Massacre, and Jay-Zs Vol. 3Life And Times of Shawn Carter were the only top-sellers from New York to be released in the aughts. Note that only The Massacre was a post-2003 release, and that Vol. 3 dropped in 99." --- I don't understand this. Doesn't Jay-z have more number one records than the beatles or something? How was his last top seller Vol 3? And if Vol. 3 dropped in 1999, how does that count as a top seller in the aughts, since "aughts" means 2000s? Regardless. This reads like it was meant to incite a reaction. This is like your homeboy hitting you like, "Yo son, I swear they hatin on the South, son. I promise, yo. Think about it: they last banger was The Massacre. Then I heard my man Dart say that New York been hatin on Boston and Staten Island and shit since back in the day, frontin like Premo ain't from Texas and shit. This is what they do yo! I promise you. They hatin' on the South, son. Fuck that. Weezy's right. Fuck New York, yo!" This is like Paul Ryan's speech at the RNC.

  • Anonymous

    they all speaking english, so what's the difference. east coast rappers say "like" at least 4 times in every song........lol

  • big pimpin

    NY has no identity as of lately. aye sap rocky?? come on, this guys garbage and denounces all that hardbody NY rap and producers that have been around paving the way so he can be who and what he is today. NY wants to be the south BC that "south sound" is pappin right now. the west and the south are really carrying most of the 'hits" these days. hopefully the NAS "life is good" can be inspiring to the NY scene. and to whom it may concern at hiphop DX: this guy who wrote this article needs to stop listening to his little sister talk about rap music. you all really should think b4 u put out trash like this.

  • Anonymous

    new york is over even they have given up on their trade mark sound. hell nas rocking skinny jeans hahaaha its over haha

  • RC

    Get the fuck outta here DX really needs to clamp down on the quality control of their writers. Nas's Hip-Hop Is Dead was "Whiny"? Or Peter Rosenberg was just "misguided ranting"?? Get the fuck outta here there's a reason NYC has always maintained cuz most East Coast cats don't fall victim to superficial trends, sure the West Coast was hot for good couple years then they fell off hard after ther mid 90's & who was still turning out hits? All the East Coast Acts. Don't mistake standuards and having a different opinion as hating, if you ain't bringing it then you ain't bringing it. NYC made this art we call Hip-Hop what is today, get use to us because we ain't goin nowhere.



    • chillthrills

      @donnie,,,,true,,,i agree,,gotta bubble hard on the net,,,but then every fucking so called music stream distribution site want you to sign up with,,,,,, fuckboibook,,,and you know who run that,,,,we always find a way though,, but until then classic RB,,for a G,,worrd

    • Donnie Bitch

      Chill!! U over they heads. And u dead on. For one, most don't know u talkin' Ross with the slaveowners. Second, 99% have no idea WHY the power structure would want to stop a power movement. Last, if radio ain"t gone get it poppin' (diversity) then what's the solution... The internet, I say.

  • Anonymous

    Lil Wayne is GARBAGE!!! He is not even medocre!!! Looking like a sh&t gobblin and BS lyrics to match!!!

  • 5th

    Get the fuck outta here... this is one of the worst articles I've read on here...

  • Anonymous

    new yorkers are haters... WEST up

  • >_

    Yeah whoever mad ethis article is obviously all over Jay Z's cock and obviously loves southern rap. Jay Z was the only one smart enough to make music with southern rappers? How about the numerous other East Coast rappers who did it? Ruff Ryders constantly had southern rappers on their tracks. As for "East coast rappers have to start shifting towards a southern style to be successful" what the fuck? How about no? Some people "Flat out" down like the southern style rap. That isn't a "diss" to southern rap, its just a matter of preference. When Nas said "hiphop is dead" that was when that retard "Lil wayne" came out of nowhere and claimed "Im the best rapper alive" and people actually indulged this. Sorry, but Lil wayne was a nobody for a very long time until he stated he was the best rapper alive. He was never anyones favorite rapper, he basically only got air time when he was being carried by Juvenile or the Big Tymers (Mannie Fresh and Baby).

    • >_

      The writers wrong. NOW I SED DAT SHEEEIT. I mentioned Mannie Fresh didnt i? Hes a producer, hes a good producer. Yet, New Yrok style, does not need southern beats. NY has its own sound. Genius. LOL

    • Anonymous

      @OP you right fam, fuck these fake niggas acting a fool, their day of reckoning is coming

    • Donnie Bitch

      Y'all bias. Was the writer wrong? Cus I don't read u saying that. And he said Jay worked with producers that were Southern, sound muthafucka, not verses. What the fuck is a down south verse gone get you over some DJ Premier drums, nothing. It gets that southern rapper new NY fans. Producers is the key point Genius.

  • joker

    This editorial was spotty at best. I really don't know where to begin. I mean you gave props to Jay-Z for working with the south, but didn't acknowledge Nas, Raekwon, or even Guru who were all doing music at the time with Southern MCs. I mean seriously. Although this editorial cites Wayne's "Shooter" lyrics it does not stay on topic with who he was aiming it at, I.E. The Radio. Considering that radio plays mostly songs from southern artists it's irresponsible and stupid to say that NY is elitist when by your own admission they play mostly southern records. This editorial is much ado about nothing. Also, the author took Nas' "Hip Hop is Dead" song out of context; the song was about a lack of variety in radio, which is why he used the same sample as "Thief's Theme." He even said it in the song, "Everybody sounds the same/ commercialized the game/ reminiscing when it wasn't all business." I don't recall Nas saying anything negative about the south on that entire album. To make a claim that A$AP Rocky or Waka Flocka are trying to sound southern because they aren't as lyrical is foolish. By that logic I can say that Outkast, J. Cole, Phonte, etc. are trying to sound Northeastern because they are lyrical. SMH at this waste of text you call an editorial.

  • Anonymous

    I don't like new Yorkers, be proud of where yr from not ignorant.. Butnch of shit talkin fuck heads

  • FOH

    Name anybody's top five and three of them are from NY and another was born there. All NY plays is Southern hip hop. Sounds like the writer just has to talk just to talk.

  • Anonymous

    This whole article is basically telling people with standards to lower their expectations, FOH, I'll go down as a dinosaur and become extinct before I give in and accept all this Down south minstrel show coon music. I know their are some Dope southern MCs, Killer Mike dropped my favorite album of the year so far, but overall the south is the reason mainstream hip hop is as laughable as it is today. I cant change that but I can have some self respect and not give in to it. Death before dishonor type shit

    • Anonymous

      we gotta hold these bloggers accountable for their discrepencies!!! DEath to the corporate hip hop blogger!!

  • Anonymous

    Peace To the writer-Epic FAIL: you made one or two good points (quote from Russel count as one) but overall sucked. Hip-Hop is dead was not directed at southern rap-it was aimed at everybody that was making/still making b.s. Mentioning AB$foon Rocky does not make sense, diversifying does not mean mimicking if I want to hear southern flavor, I'll listen to a southern artist,AB$foon Rocky and his crew sound retarded(which is a dis to southern folks) and do not use age, please, Look at how old Ra, Special Ed et al. were when they came around and they sounded like they got brains. As far as Beantown is concerned, it never developed a ' sound' . I remember Benzino had a heated argument with one of peoples that he was better than Q-Tip (yeah okay) yet he and his crew were trying to be West-coast hard- Fuck out of here. As far East coast artists reaching out to West coast artists did not start with Jay-Z-Treach was doing that way back. Peace

    • Anonymous

      Yes, I can read motherfucker-pity you can't. That garbage you wrote was putting me asleep since most of it is/was incoherent and oh, yeah enlighten me, which album came out first Rodney O & j. Cooley's (weren't these sellouts producing music for Vanilla Ice or something?) or Masta Ace's. The point is east coast artists had worked with artists from other regions be they South, West way before Jay-Z. Treach was one of the first to lead the way, should have mentioned that. PEACE

    • CraiG

      Oh Ok, Good to know Slava reads and responds to comments!! Hey Slava, Not for nothing, but your take on the matter is rather industry bias... and you call yourself hip hop??? Cmon fam. You know you wrong for perpetuating the BS. But i guess its business as usual for you.

    • Slava

      "As far East coast artists reaching out to West coast artists did not start with Jay-Z-Treach was doing that way back. " Can you read? I was talking about Jay-Z reaching out to Southern emcees.

  • bigkit80

    let you know I'm deaf mute and I'm from famous NY but i don't live NYC , that's same happen from tupac to Bigger when you will learn from old history maybe lil wayne have a problem with interview on mtv question happen in vegas

  • chris

    lol on some real shit as a rapper from the south we've definitely had our issues in the past with getting respect, but yall need to really get off our dick sometimes. lol ive lost count of the articles ive read that try and coddle us, and act like everything we do is immaculate. I do believe we make amazing music, but we make some straight up fuck shit sometimes too. and i dont think nas as being whiny with that album at all, i thought he was just expressing is opinion, and i really dont think that album was directed at us at all.

  • Anonymous

    I agree North vs South is crabs in a barrel, Willie Lynch type of stuff.

  • Knowledge God

    This is a ridiculous article. Why are we still talking NY versus the South? Southern artist are still so sensitive on the subject. Nas' album was not a "whiny" album as the author claims. It was a beautiful album mostly about self hatred within the balck race and it's affect on the Hip Hop culture(Hiphop Dx gave it a 4.5 rating or did you forget already). This line sums up what Hip Hop is Dead was about: "Hip-Hop been dead, we the reason it died Wasn't Sylvia's fault or because MC's skills are lost It's because we can't see ourselves as the boss Deep-rooted through slavery, self-hatred The Jewish stick together, friends in high places We on some low level shit We don't want niggas to ever win." It's a shame that people can't understand this dynamic. This isn't about North South anymore and all the backlash and infighting between blacks over things like what region your from is stupid or as Nas would say deep rooted through slavery. Or did he not write that line like another black trying to pull down another Dream H would say.... It's sickening, stop the bullshit and stop being CRABS.


    This article is dead on. I'm from NY but as a teen grew up in the South. When the Chronic dropped, it was all you heard. Then of course Outkast, 8Ball & MJG, and a couple other since that booty shake bullshit was still hot down there. The MC's who did well was Bad Boy & Rocafella. Biggie and Lil Kim were loved in ATL and even though he wasn't that big yet, Jay was always ahead by using southern artist. He was on Juvenile's Ha remix back when they were regional for down here. That's why Wayne wanted to be Jay back in the day. He was smooth and gangster.

  • gilliedakid

    youtube/lil' wayne comes out of the closet at 2011 vma

  • anon

    Thys webistes to young money biased for me

  • Assembly line bullshit

    The beauty of rap in the 90s was that different regions had different sounding unique music. Everyone using so called southern beats and rapping slow isn't something to be celebrated. I want to hear west coast g-shit, NYrap, southern space age funk, mid-west speedrappers and everything in between. NOT ONE SOUND!

  • capo

    wayne sounds f**king dumb. his carter 3 got so much play out here I know the entire album word for word and i didn't even buy it. So his ass can kick rock n whoever else that got a problem wit my city !! NYC ALL DAY F**K THE HATERS...

  • Manny Faces

    Sigh. Pieces like this tend to paint the complexity of the New York hip hop landscape with way too wide a brush. There are countless artists and fans that are perfectly humble, practicing and supporting hip hop with a distinct New York DNA in a thriving ecosystem. The problem continues to be the media and corporate focus on promoting formulaic hip hop in general, and, when culling artists from the New York area, only looking for the most outrageous, gimmick-based, Southern-sounding or extremely eclectic. While the collective NY response to Lil Waynes comments can certainly be viewed as blind arrogance (and borderline lunacy by the State Senator), it is more a result of the frustration over years of watching New Yorks dialect being pushed from the mainstream. The author seems to think that suddenly, NY audiences are embracing music from other regions, (inexplicably basing this on the content of conglomerate-led station playlists), but fails to see the trend behind the trend, that due in part to the rise of the indie scene in hip hop as a whole and a progressive edge being more accepted these days, New York artists, many lyrical and musical progressives, are working and waiting in the wings, likely to emerge en masse as an impending sea change in music in general and hip hop specifically reaches something of a tipping point. Its not that New York is becoming more open minded to outside sounds, its that EVERYWHERE is becoming more open minded to outside sounds. So while I agree that New York clearly doesnt run the game anymore, soon, NOWHERE will run the game anymore, and as that happens, the playing field will be more leveled than ever, allowing artists from New York, that SOUND like New York, to be as viable as any other. We dont have to sacrifice our artistic dialect, give in to the pandering, or be complacent with 2 Chainz sitting atop our local radio playlists We have to simply continue what weve been doing for years, helping locals and outsiders realize that there is quality output right under our noses, supporting our own artists, venues and local media, while ignoring the distractions of the drama-seeking, so-called-media, and eventually, the rest of the music business and listening public will be able to confidently say about New York hip hop, Dont call it a comeback, its been here for years We just didnt notice. Though to the authors point re: elitism, it is true that its taking a bit of retraining even for New Yorkers themselves to understand this, that we can still have hometown/regional pride and a definitive vibe, pro-NY without being anti-elsewhere, without sounding like crybabies all the time.

    • 20 Gauge

      1,000,000% COSIGN. The writer, Slava Kuperstein, is what i would call "a hip hop snob", he only deals with industry hip hop. It's obvious by the examples he uses. I personally feel, we as hip hop fans and followers of this culture need to hold these so called hip hop bloggers accountable for their actions as well. This dude clearly isn't interested in what is considered "hip hop", but how much he can get out of it at the end of the day! Alot of New York artists have shown love to other regions, including European, Japanese, and Central/South American Scenes, way back in the 90's (Remember that Slava??) Down South only show love to their own, and whoever's with it. (And Obviously, not alot of artists gravitate towards the "dirty Souf" sound because it just ain't good, quality-wise). I seen New York Niggas Show More Love To Out-of-towners, as long as they came correct, than many of their "industry counterparts" becuz they "too cool". And the problem isn't really the artists by Slava's Logic... Thathe problem would lie with the labels, A&Rs, managers, promoters etc. who perpetuate the BS for the sake of $$$. Like I said, obviously SLava ain't cut from the same cloth alot of real hip hop heads are from, and his audacity to pass his opinion on something he truly knows nothing about just shows how egotistical he is! This article is clearly stating his bias for lil wayne, but fails to acknowledge Wayne's blatant disrespect for a certain region's sound becuz he feels he's on top of the world... The Whole fuck all DJs comment didn't go right with real hip hop heads, and if you defend his stance against the original NY sound and culture, you def ain't hip hop, just using it for your own benefit! Just like Slava, who ain't even from America!! I noticed alot of the music that hgets play on HHDX is all iStandard artists who pay for placement... is that really hip hop?? Who REALLY iS THE HIP HOP ELITISTS in question here SLava?? I digree, The truth will always prevail, and slava, you are playing WITH FIRE BRO. PEACE

    • Phil A

      You bring up some great points and they were very well articulated. Someone should publish this comment on the main page of the website so people can view this subject through a hip hop fans point of view and not the media's.

    • Anonymous

      im from the south and that was by far one of the best comments ive eve read on this site, i completely agree with you

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    I luh New York City