A Look Back At Eminem & Royce Da 5'9"

This is what happens when bad meets evil.

There are people out there who would have told you a couple years ago that Eminem and Royce Da 5'9" were the great group that got away. The Hip Hop version of the Missed Connections section on Craigslist, minus the romance and all. Early in their careers they collaborated frequently, always sounding like they'd been rhyming together forever. They recorded several singles on Game Recordings in 1998 under the name Bad Meets Evil. When Eminem signed to Aftermath and blew up, Royce was his guy. It was Royce who got the guest appearance on The Slim Shady LP, not D12. Even though Royce missed out on The Marshall Mathers LP, things were still good. That same year Royce even made a song dedicated to his pale partner-in-rhyme ("Let's Grow" from the Lyricist Lounge 2 compilation).

They continued to record together in 2001, which produced "Rock City" for Royce's debut of the same name which eventually came out on Koch in 2002 as Rock City 2.0. They also recorded "Renegades," which had Royce borrowing Eminem's rhyme scheme from "Dead Wrong." Unfortunately for Royce, Interscope wouldn't clear Eminen for the song and it is now a classic in Jigga's catalog instead. The following year Royce had a falling out with Proof and D12, largely a misunderstanding, and he and Em stopped speaking. After several diss songs from both camps, Royce issued a letter online explaining his side of things.

It took five years and Proof's death before the hurt feelings were gone, but the two still weren't speaking. A year later in the spring of 2008 they were, as Royce revealed to DX that the beef had been squashed. That was all well and good, but people wanted them back in the booth together. It was baby steps though, in early 2009 Royce addressed his past with Shady on his verse from Slaughterhouse's "Move On ." Later that year the ball really began rolling, Royce said that a Slaughterhouse/Shady Records deal was possible. Over a year later, the deal still isn't signed but is said to be imminent. Much more importantly, the Detroit emcees have hit the booth together for the first time in nearly a decade. This week two new songs have leaked, with Bad and Evil sounded better together than ever. 

Nuttin' To Do
Scary Movies
Scary Movies (Phreaq Remix)
Scary Movies (S.W.A.T. Remix)
What's The Dealie freestyle
Bad Meets Evil Original
Bad Meets Evil 
She's The One
What The Beat (f. Method Man)
Rock City
Renegades (Original)  
Eminem f. Slaughterhouse "Session One "
Tim Westwood Freestyle Round 1   f. Mr. Porter & Alchemist
Living Proof
Echo  (f. Liz Rodriguez)

70 Comments

  • COME_ON_SON

    Who cares what drama they had its in the past so move on. I look forward to hearing the project and weather ya'll want to admit it or not its hip hop!!

  • Anonymous

    Royce looks like a choclate milk drinking retard in that picture... BTW do you think royce and em would do mad drugs together back in the day now they both through there rehab, coming together making an album

  • DONHONKI

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  • yomomma

    This is a half ass bio. The whole reason they split up is because Royce's manager (Keno) said something in an interview about Eminem "Schooling" Dr. Dre in the studio. Dre obviously didn't like it and Royce decided to go with his homie Keno instead of Em and Dre. Aint you ever listen to any of royces lyrics!?! I mean... my 5 year old "beef" DVD got better news than this.

    • Shady!

      that must be wrong because i heard royce say in a interview that the beef was about the anger managment mixtape, when em asked royce do a verse and royce rapped "fuck anger managment i'm clinacly insane" and proof mistook this and thats why the beef started and the bio did'nt mention royce and proof made in 05 or 06

    • yomomma

      "I done been in this game for years, it made me an animal, I learned that nobody else can be held accountable but you for your career, not your manager, face it Even he can f*ck up a relationship" -Royce from T.O.D.A.Y off "Death Is Certain"

  • Jeremy Orr

    dopeness... #sessiontwo

  • Anonymous

    Is eminem kiefer sutherland's brother? He looks more like him everyday.

  • Lb 24

    one step closer to my dream collabo, dj premier, royce and em.

  • chris p

    eminem used royce da 5'9 lyrics in dead wrong, he switched it up its on the original renegade

  • James Johnson

    So glad to see dem back together......no homo lol

  • TheXTC

    damn i miss acid rap (googleit) i wish eminem could do it one more time

  • TheXTC

    I've always been a fan of bad meets evil sice I was 12 now Im 23 and im still waiting for a bad meets evil album

  • comin

    yea they both good..chek out the next Shady/Aftermath artiste! http://www.myspace.com/cflotentative

  • Vegard Møller

    Thats a fine collection of bad ass songs!

  • The-Influence

    Very nice article, schooling a lot of the newer generation on the history of these 2 elite emceez. Just one thing was left out.. Their relationship actually started to change due to Royce admitting he wrote "The Message" and other songs for Dr. Dre on the Chronic 2001 album. That was a no-no for Dre at the time and was why Royce was left off of that LP in the 1st place. Royce had the original version of 'Xxplosive' titled, "The Way I Be Pimpin'".

    • B

      Partially true, Royce not wanting to fire his manager and childhood boy Kino was the real reason why Dre and Royce fell off.

  • Ramon SupaSwag Angelo

    man deez niggas wack Lil Twist>>>>>

    • Jeff S H Lee

      dayum son, kid is getting ripped up and he cant even rebuttel...but on the real if you like a rapper for his SWAG you're definitely gay. SWAG is for girls...

    • Anonymous

      lol his name is supaswag. damn.

    • Joshua Williams

      why yall coming hard on lil homie like that. lol. we all agree the comment was ridiculous, but i think we have to respect his taste and have a healthy conversation, instead of just calling him names like faggot and saying i hope you die. crazy... our reaction is just as ignorant as the lil twist comment he made. holla back, josh

    • TheXTC

      lmao hes probably a cuichi maine and gay ass waka fanboy. fuck you and ur opinion u stupid 90s baby

    • MartineW310

      I bet you dont even know what "swagg' is you stupid little kid!!! search that ish up on the dictionary, you wont find it!!! ignorant blacks these days..Lmfao smfh

    • Anonymous

      ramon = perfect example of the bicurious youth no standards, intelligence, moral conduct is suspect, idolize men for their style and fashion. i literally hope you die you little teenage faggot. no reason your father left. he got a queer baby posting "swag" pics on facebook talking bout lil twist. bird chested faggot talkin greasy when you couldnt push up off the ground, sub 100 pound pussy bwoooi. i fuckin hate kids in 2010.

    • Anonymous

      Swag-less fruit. Keep your cash money fetishes to yourself, dick in the booty ass nigga. You kiss your daddy on the lips too? lulz

  • Dwayne Campbell

    Bad meets Evil - Kool Kid Freestyle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR5vOZ9Ffa8

  • da1

    Why doesn't eminem rap like this anymore. Not rappin about the violence but just rapping good. He ssounds okay now but he just don't sound great, like he use too.

    • Foodstamp

      well, when everything that inspired you before changes in your life, like being flat broke, not being able to get a job, being white in an all black school, etc. your subject material changes. It's so funny that rap fans are impossible to please. When people change because they don't live the same lifestyle, so they don't right about it, they hate they changed. When gangsta rappers start rapping about having money and shit, then they start to hate because they phony and don't be livin' that lifestyle anymore so why they spittin' like a studio gangsta..just shut the fuck up and quit hatin'. I can't believe how much hate you see on the net everyday. Just step your own game up bitches.

    • Anonymous

      im pretty sure its the millions millions make EVERYBODY trip and they dont have that hunger anymore like the new guy

    • G

      da1. No, the morbid violence and graphic nature of his rhymes is what set him apart. I LOVED it!

    • G

      No, they both just regressed. Slim Shady persona and Reasonable Doubt FTW.

    • Anonymous

      Because its not 1998 anymore Why doesnt Jay Z sound like he did on Reasonable Doubt?? Times Change

  • YOUAJOKE

    I THINK EM AND ROYCE BRING THE BEST OUT OF EACHOTHER WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING TRACKS. ITS A BIT LIKE EM HAS A NEW PROOF TYPE FIGURE WHO WILL MAKE HIM BRING THE FIRE JUST LIKE ON ECHO. A EM/ROYCE ALBUM WOULD BE DOPE BUT AN EM/SLAUGTERHOUSE ALBUM WOULD BE MASSIVE BECAUSE ALL OF THEM NIGGAS IS CRAZY

  • mills

    These 2 MCs are SICK!!!...they could go down as the best duo of all time!!!...hopefully they drop at least 2 albums!!!!

  • dillaDOOM

    first off on the DILLA produced (let's grow) royce shows great humility to rap about em in a great way and he does it on one of the new track abotu lifting his wing and got out. royce is now gettin the recognition he deserves. theese two would make a great RAP album i dont htink they are going to releasea musical album likea kanye thang but rap wise slaughterhouse album anda bad meet evil album would change the perception of pop rap at the top end because lets face it rick ross flo rida nelly and to a lesser extent lil wane jsutaint bringing rhymes which you want to re hear or make u analyse life. btu hey who am i am justa fan. big up both of theese fantastic rappers. hope to hear more from them and d12 and buden ortiz and crook

  • DrewDown91

    If it wasnt for these shrooms I'd have nothing to chew. I'm just fuckin wit you cause I got nuttin to do. Rock City was Whack City. Death is Certain was the truth. RELAPSE was better than RECOVERY. I said it. Slim Shady EP was the rawest Eminem shit ever. Low down & Shifty. Inebriated til my stress is alleviated.. how in the fuck can Eminem and Shady be related? Illiterate, illegitimate shit spitter, bitch getter. . .

    • Me

      When I first heard Recovery I missed the voices. Nothing on Recovery touches 3AM. That doesn't mean I don't like Recovery.

    • Anonymous

      My bad *MMLP>ES>Recovery>SSLP>Encore>Infinite>Relapse

    • Anonymous

      Once recovery leaked,everything on relapse turned to pure sh*t to my ears(i actually thought the album was good at one point smh) MMLP>ES>SSLP>Encore>Infinite>Relapse

    • Anonymous

      Just cause you said it doesnt make it true, lol The sky is green........I said it Recovery >>>> Relapse Just about anything >>>>> Relapse Triumph the insult comic dog Voices and Lines about molesting mannequins?? I'll pass

  • kingben

    MOVE ON !!!how havnt i ever herd this? props royce i lost repect for ya coz of the disrespectful shit u said to em an proof but fuck yer takes a big man to com back n apligise wit out soundn like you cop'en a plea.fuck yer slaughterhouse,shady records,you da shit royce!!!!!!!!!

  • soAmazing

    Good to see them back rapping together...I remember during there beef Em said that Royce was his clone. lol. When you listen to their earlier tracks they do sound similar but there is a difference...however Royce basically did a Jay-Z and "made another Royce" and his flow is arguably better than Em's not in which he can ride the beat i.e Echo/Living Proof and he has established a distinct style from that of Em's. Just food for thought. Two of the best to ever do it.

  • Anonymous

    im just fuckin wih you cus i go nothing to do. lol

  • Anonymous

    Greatest duo that never released an album Hopefully there in the process of righting that wrog, been playing Echo and livin Proof like crazy since they lekaed Of Course nerds on the internet now listen to a song and then study and dissect it to see who had the better verse...... I'm just happy to see them rhyming together again, their flows bounce off each other naturally, like Red and Meth or Hav and P, they were meant to rhyme together

  • casper21

    After Echo leaked I really had a feeling a joint project might be in the works. But instead of arguing whose better, image this. When that joint Kanye and Jay album drops (Watch the Throne or whatever)image if Em and Royce had a joint album ready to drop on the same day and went head to head. These guys could bitch slap Ye and Jay lyrically and destroy them on the charts simultaneously..imagine the possibility.

    • Anonymous

      Hell Ya Em would KILL jay on the charts Eminem #1 selling rapper all time

    • foodstamp

      Em and Royce would not outsell Kanye and Jay. I would buy Em and Royce before Kanye and Jay, but Kanye and Jay's shit would be way more radio ready, and Kanye has all those 14 year old bitches on his dick for that auto tune singin' bullshit he's on these days.

    • sinisterminister

      agreed!

  • rest5150

    2nd verse of royce on renegades sounds familar and im pretty sure ive never heard this version before....anyways are we sure royce borrowed slims flow off of dead wrong and not vise versa? hmmmmm... Hip Hop DX good shit on this list with the ability to play off of the page I like it...please do this again with any article or even use this approach for the actual playlists...... keep up good job yall

    • Tresjolie

      Anonymous- I love your post but it is partially true. I interviewed Eminem when he first buss on the scene and when he and Royce teamed up, he ALREADY been heard of Royce and said that Royce was the hottest MC he ever heard. This was around the time Em was touring with Pacewon. Royce was ALREADY a beast. I'm sure "iron sharpens iron" so to speak but Eminem wasn't schooling Royce. Do I wanna see them collab? Nah, I think its time for Royce to really shine on his own.

    • sTReeT-LYfeR

      em also derived his flow from Masta Ace.You don't hear Ace complaining.hehe.its all good,though.

    • Anonymous

      son. about em using royces flow on dead wrong. please. why you think royce was such an animal early on? because he had a prime slim shady coaching him to be even better. royce credits the white boy as being the coldest and most important emcee in his development. royce has gone on to do more personal shit i wouldnt have expectated early on (death is certain) and is an incredible artist in his own right and has kept it fresh. they both dominated in their respective arena, no emcee with a following like em spits as hard, and royce has outlasted countless niggas that couldnt do it on their own. bad meets evil clickin back up is gonna make both of them better, just like the old days. but em is a fuckin scientest with the flow/delivery/patterns, his voice has always irked certain cats but he has never slipped with inventing new flows and rhyme styles. he got shit on for droppin relapse, an album full of different flows/delivery/voices/styles. royce bout to be weapon x level again.

  • Babalu S. Taylor

    wow i remember all of these songs. i remember hearing all of these old songs and freestyles back in like 2000 and on. damn i forget how raw royce was and how he was ahead of the game. and em was a complete beast and had the whole hip hop/rap scene on smash.

  • garry

    the progression is awesome... royce was the harder spitter back then while em was super witty and talking about shit no one else would. and then em got better and better almost overnight....but now we see that royce has caught up and even pass em lyrically some may say...classik shit. well done DX

  • Anonymous

    see how raw royce was back then!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    doooooppppppeeee its funny cuz i know all these songs word for word hahah classik (well the old ones)

  • Ddot DOuble

    Yo DX, the idea of the audio history with the tracks was sweet...fuck all these dicks

  • Anonymous

    step yall fuckin journalism up, and get some proof readers up. im not held to the same standard of english as a reader, writer should step his game up. dx always filled with grammar errors/false information cuz yall dont check your web writers shit before posting. bad meets evil is a legendary duo, em and royce as a duo can go bar for bar with any duo that ever did it. i hope they drop an album together. it would get em a lot of love from the heads, and royce a lot of attention from the general public. a win win for both parties. if i was jimmy iovine/eminem i would have royce and em drop an album to reintroduce royce as a solo artist and establish bad meets evil as a group. follow it with a royce solo album with em and dre overseeing it. lead into the slaughterhouse album. drop new em album. and repeat the cycle. shady aftermath can corner every market if they play this right. em got pop america goin nuts with his singles, this would get the heads/core fans/hip hop shop crowd goin nuts. royce and em for the fuckin win. royce the only nigga to consistently try eminem on a track, i can only imagine what an album would sound like.

    • TC

      I agree with everything you just said! Now that I've heard those 2 new Em/Royce joints, I NEED a Bad Meets Evil album!

    • AJ

      I don't see any mistakes in here. If you're such a big fan of these two why be such an asshole? Shouldn't you appreciate the love they just got? Some people...

  • Anonymous

    And your a racist with a small brain

  • Maverik

    Em + Royce > Wanye + Drake

  • AJ

    What a constructive comment

  • Anonymous

    Eminem is a nerd....Cheesy white dude